Dubya speech

[Rigs11]

Post your guesses as to what lines Dubya will use in his speech tonight.

"They will not shake our will"
"They are thugs, they hate freedom"
"There is not timeline, because I don't know what the hell I'm doing"
"smirk,.."
"strategery"

[Traveler]

What it should be according to John Kerry:

The Speech the President Should Give
By John F. Kerry
The New York Times

Tuesday 28 June 2005

Boston - Tonight President Bush will discuss the situation in Iraq. It's long past time to get it right in Iraq. The Bush administration is courting disaster with its current course - a course with no realistic strategy for reducing the risks to our soldiers and increasing the odds for success.

The reality is that the Bush administration's choices have made Iraq into what it wasn't before the war - a breeding ground for jihadists. Today there are 16,000 to 20,000 jihadists and the number is growing. The administration has put itself - and, tragically, our troops, who pay the price every day - in a box of its own making. Getting out of this box won't be easy, but we owe it to our soldiers to make our best effort.

Our mission in Iraq is harder because the administration ignored the advice of others, went in largely alone, underestimated the likelihood and power of the insurgency, sent in too few troops to secure the country, destroyed the Iraqi army through de-Baathification, failed to secure ammunition dumps, refused to recognize the urgency of training Iraqi security forces and did no postwar planning. A little humility would go a long way - coupled with a strategy to succeed.

So what should the president say tonight? The first thing he should do is tell the truth to the American people. Happy talk about the insurgency being in "the last throes" leads to frustrated expectations at home. It also encourages reluctant, sidelined nations that know better to turn their backs on their common interest in keeping Iraq from becoming a failed state.

The president must also announce immediately that the United States will not have a permanent military presence in Iraq. Erasing suspicions that the occupation is indefinite is critical to eroding support for the insurgency.

He should also say that the United States will insist that the Iraqis establish a truly inclusive political process and meet the deadlines for finishing the Constitution and holding elections in December. We're doing our part: our huge military presence stands between the Iraqi people and chaos, and our special forces protect Iraqi leaders. The Iraqis must now do theirs.

He also needs to put the training of Iraqi troops on a true six-month wartime footing and ensure that the Iraqi government has the budget needed to deploy them. The administration and the Iraqi government must stop using the requirement that troops be trained in-country as an excuse for refusing offers made by Egypt, Jordan, France and Germany to do more.

The administration must immediately draw up a detailed plan with clear milestones and deadlines for the transfer of military and police responsibilities to Iraqis after the December elections. The plan should be shared with Congress. The guideposts should take into account political and security needs and objectives and be linked to specific tasks and accomplishments. If Iraqis adopt a constitution and hold elections as planned, support for the insurgency should fall and Iraqi security forces should be able to take on more responsibility. It will also set the stage for American forces to begin to come home.

Iraq, of course, badly needs a unified national army, but until it has one - something that our generals now say could take two more years - it should make use of its tribal, religious and ethnic militias like the Kurdish pesh merga and the Shiite Badr Brigade to provide protection and help with reconstruction. Instead of single-mindedly focusing on training a national army, the administration should prod the Iraqi government to fill the current security gap by integrating these militias into a National Guard-type force that can provide security in their own areas.

The administration must work with the Iraqi government to establish a multinational force to help protect its borders. Such a force, if sanctioned by the United Nations Security Council, could attract participation by Iraq's neighbors and countries like India.

The deployment of capable security forces is critical, but it alone will not end the insurgency, as the administration would have us believe. Hamstrung by its earlier lack of planning and overly optimistic predictions for rebuilding Iraq, the administration has failed to devote equal attention to working with the Iraqi government on the economic and political fronts. Consequently, reconstruction is lagging even in the relatively secure Shiite south and Kurdish north. If Iraqis, particularly Sunnis who fear being disenfranchised, see electricity flowing, jobs being created, roads and sewers being rebuilt and a democratic government being formed, the allure of the insurgency will decrease.

Iraq's Sunni neighbors, who complain they are left out, could do more to help. Even short-term improvements, like providing electricity and supplying diesel fuel - an offer that the Saudis have made but have yet to fulfill - will go a long way. But we need to give these nations a strategic plan for regional security, acknowledging their fears of an Iran-dominated crescent and their concerns about our fitful mediation between Israel and the Palestinians in return for their help in rebuilding Iraq, protecting its borders, and bringing its Sunnis into the political process.

The next months are critical to Iraq's future and our security. If Mr. Bush fails to take these steps, we will stumble along, our troops at greater risk, casualties rising, costs rising, the patience of the American people wearing thin, and the specter of quagmire staring us in the face. Our troops deserve better: they deserve leadership equal to their sacrifice.

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John F. Kerry is a Democratic senator from Massachusetts.

[DBruleU]

Post your guesses as to what lines Dubya will use in his speech tonight.

"They will not shake our will"
"They are thugs, they hate freedom"
"There is not timeline, because I don't know what the hell I'm doing"
"smirk,.."
"strategery"

Poor guy...

[Spider]

Bush : ...... Saddam Bad ,Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile." "It is hard work " . "I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be—a literate country and a hopefuller country."
In Conclusion , "I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute them." .............
Or sumthin like that ;D

[Hotrod]

LOL way to have an open mind. They are bashing the speech before they even hear it. Way to go rofl

[Spider]

LOL way to have an open mind. They are bashing the speech before they even hear it. Way to go rofl
;D call it target practice

[Hotrod]

;D call it target practice

Ha!

I just hope to not hear the "Its hard work" crap. Everytime I hear that I think "digging ditches is hard work not getting hummers in the oval office" oopps wrong president. ;D

[Hotrod]

If he does have to use the tired old "its hard work" line atleast maybe he wont do the "its its its ah its hard work" just loses something when done that way ;D

[Spider]

If he does have to use the tired old "its hard work" line atleast maybe he wont do the "its its its ah its hard work" just loses something when done that way ;D
;D .....

[Traveler]

If he does have to use the tired old "its hard work" line atleast maybe he wont do the "its its its ah its hard work" just loses something when done that way ;D


Think he only does that when he tries to speak "off the cuff." When the speeches are prepared for him, he sounds okay.

But you're right, it does lose something when done that way.

[RaiderH8r]

I'm hoping to hear the word nuke-u-lar.

[Spider]

Bush: In May of 1941 the war had just begun
The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns
The Bismarck was the fastest ship that ever sailed the sea
On her decks were guns as big as steers and shells as big as trees

Out of the cold and foggy night came the British ship the Hood
And every British seaman he knew and understood
They had to sink the Bismarck the terror of the sea
Stop those guns as big as steers and those shells as big as trees
We'll find the German battleship that's makin' such a fuss
We gotta sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
Yeah hit the decks a runnin' boys and spin those guns around
When we find the Bismarck we gotta cut her down
[ ac.guitar ]
The Hood found the Bismarck and on that fatal day
The Bismarck started firing fifteen miles away
We gotta sink the Bismarck was the battle sound
But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down
For six long days and weary nights they tried to find her trail
Churchill told the people put every ship asail
Cause somewhere on that ocean I know she's gotta be
We gotta sink the Bismarck to the bottom of the sea
We'll find the German battleship...
[ ac.guitar ]
The fog was gone the seventh day and they saw the morning sun
Ten hours away from homeland the Bismarck made its run
The Admiral of the British fleet said turn those bows around
We found that German battleship and we're gonna cut her down
The British guns were aimed and the shells were coming fast
The first shell hit the Bismarck they knew she couldn't last
That mighty German battleship is just a memory
Sink the Bismarck was the battle cry that shook the seven seas
We found the German battleship t'was makin' such a fuss
We had to sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
We hit the deck a runnin' and we and spun those guns around
Yeah we found the mighty Bismarck and then we cut her down
We found the German battleship...
Bush Aid : Wrong war sir ....
Bush: well change a few words make it fit .... ;D

[clarker]

LOL way to have an open mind. They are bashing the speech before they even hear it. Way to go rofl
Are you suprised. Libs preach open mindness, but most of the time they do not practice it. This thread is a example. They bitch that Bush should speak more to the public, but they bash the speech before they hear it.

[Spider]

Are you suprised. Libs preach open mindness, but most of the time they do not practice it. This thread is a example. They b**** that Bush should speak more to the public, but they bash the speech before they hear it.

[enjolras]

why can't you people just say 'He seems to have flip-flopped on this one'. It's quite black and white... arguing about the semantics of it is just laughable.

'You need a timetable' vs. 'No you don't...

I concede his right to change his mind.. and hell he may even be right. I made the same arguments with Kerry's 'flip-flopping'. Rationale people learn from their experiences and grow. Bush may have been quite naieve when he made that statement in 99. He's grown.. he's learned. Now we need to get everyone who supports him to equally grow and learn that 'flip-flopping' isn't such a bad thing.

[Spider]

why can't you people just say 'He seems to have flip-flopped on this one'. It's quite black and white... arguing about the semantics of it is just laughable.

'You need a timetable' vs. 'No you don't...

I concede his right to change his mind.. and hell he may even be right. I made the same arguments with Kerry's 'flip-flopping'. Rationale people learn from their experiences and grow. Bush may have been quite naieve when he made that statement in 99. He's grown.. he's learned. Now we need to get everyone who supports him to equally grow and learn that 'flip-flopping' isn't such a bad thing.
excellent Post Bro , but wrong thread ;D

[Hotrod]

why can't you people just say 'He seems to have flip-flopped on this one'. It's quite black and white... arguing about the semantics of it is just laughable.

'You need a timetable' vs. 'No you don't...

I concede his right to change his mind.. and hell he may even be right. I made the same arguments with Kerry's 'flip-flopping'. Rationale people learn from their experiences and grow. Bush may have been quite naieve when he made that statement in 99. He's grown.. he's learned. Now we need to get everyone who supports him to equally grow and learn that 'flip-flopping' isn't such a bad thing.

Ok did I miss something here or is it not so much hes saying "you dont need a timeline" as much as hes saying "I wont announce a timeline to the terrorists".

[Spider]

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

[Hotrod]

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

Thats not answering my question is it?

Does anyone have him saying "we dont need a timeline" or is it "we wont let the terrorists know what were going to do" or is it "the timeline is when the job is done" ???

[Spider]

Ok did I miss something here or is it not so much hes saying "you dont need a timeline" as much as hes saying "I wont announce a timeline to the terrorists".
you tell us ?
George W. Bush, 4/9/99: Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” And on the specific need for a timetable... Bush on Clinton and Kosovo .Specific need for a time for a time table .......
Yet Bush claims ........George W. Bush, 6/24/05: “It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.” .......
you tell me what Bush means ?

[Spider]

Thats not answering my question is it?

Does anyone have him saying "we dont need a timeline" or is it "we wont let the terrorists know what were going to do" or is it "the timeline is when the job is done" ???
um this was the wrong thread , but I reposted the quote ......... This thread was about Bushs speech tonight ....

[Spider]

Hate that Flip Floppin . Hilarious! .... he is a flip Floppin ...... But he didnt forget Poland ;D

[Hotrod]

you tell us ?
George W. Bush, 4/9/99: Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” And on the specific need for a timetable... Bush on Clinton and Kosovo .Specific need for a time for a time table .......
Yet Bush claims ........George W. Bush, 6/24/05: “It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.” .......
you tell me what Bush means ?

Ok first kosovo was not the same as what we have going in Iraq.

I think he has been very forthcoming in his timeline for bring our boys back.

"When the job is done" We cannot afford to tuck tail and leave. If we did that do you realize the hate we would create??? The timeline depends on how well the Iraqi forces become able to defend themselves and their new government. There is no way to just say that will happen on Aug 14th it all depends on several if not hundreds of factors.

[Hotrod]

um this was the wrong thread , but I reposted the quote ......... This thread was about Bushs speech tonight ....

LOL I was very confused ;D

[Spider]

Ok first kosovo was not the same as what we have going in Iraq.Hilarious! .. Just wondering in Kosovo , we went in to remove Slob what ever his name is ....... Iraq we Removed Saddam .......
Kosovo , all of Nato helped .iraq we had the U.K. and Poland ...... Kosovo , we let the UN rebuild ..... In Iraq we are rebuilding ... not to much difference ....

I think he has been very forthcoming in his timeline for bring our boys back.
if you say so Last I heard Rummy was on TV saying this could take 12 Years ...

"When the job is done" We cannot afford to tuck tail and leave. If we did that do you realize the hate we would create??? The timeline depends on how well the Iraqi forces become able to defend themselves and their new government. There is no way to just say that will happen on Aug 14th it all depends on several if not hundreds of factors.
this kills me ...... The Job was to Remove Saddam Husien from power . is there more then 1 Saddam ?

[Spider]

Just admit it Hotrod ..bush Flip Flopped ... and Since Bush Flipped Flopped , he cant be trusted , cant have a Flip Flopper running the country Hilarious!

[Hotrod]

Hilarious! .. Just wondering in Kosovo , we went in to remove Slob what ever his name is ....... Iraq we Removed Saddam .......
Kosovo , all of Nato helped .iraq we had the U.K. and Poland ...... Kosovo , we let the UN rebuild ..... In Iraq we are rebuilding ... not to much difference ....



Your kidding right you yourself just listed the differences. We are there alone (go ahead let Bush have it for lack of support) the fact is in kosovo the UN was there to rebuild that way we could leave when we wanted unlike in Iraq where were rebuilding we cant just walk out. Heres a bone for you if we let the UN rebuild Iraq how is halliburton gonna make and dough ;D

[Hotrod]

if you say so Last I heard Rummy was on TV saying this could take 12 Years ...


this kills me ...... The Job was to Remove Saddam Husien from power . is there more then 1 Saddam ?

I have not heard Rummy say that so I cant respond to that.

The job was to remove Saddam and spread democracy and fill halliburtons pockets. So lets examine if those have been finished.

1. Saddam removed check
2. Democracy 75% complete
3. Halliburton getting richer we've gotten off to a good start but not done yet ;D

[Spider]

Your kidding right you yourself just listed the differences. We are there alone (go ahead let Bush have it for lack of support)
to quote bush in the Kerry Debate .......... You forgot Poland .poland is there helping ........ Coalition of the Willing ....... Democrats tried to tell you Bush was full of it ......


the fact is in kosovo the UN was there to rebuild that way we could leave when we wanted unlike in Iraq where were rebuilding we cant just walk out. Heres a bone for you if we let the UN rebuild Iraq how is halliburton gonna make and dough ;D
;D exactly ...... But now what is being refered to as a time table , is very flexible , No one is saying exact Dates and times ...... For example , we need to know how much of an Army will Iraq have in 7 months ? we need Stages . it should only take a Year and a Half to get the infrastructure in place , yadda, yadda,yadda, then in x amount of time , we can start considering pulling troops out ....... I dont see how that gives the terrorist too much , but I do see how it would put Pressure on Haliburton

[Spider]

I have not heard Rummy say that so I cant respond to that.
Meet the press of Face the Nation , one of those shows ......

The job was to remove Saddam and spread democracy and fill halliburtons pockets. So lets examine if those have been finished.

1. Saddam removed check
2. Democracy 75% complete
3. Halliburton getting richer we've gotten off to a good start but not done yet ;D
;D thats about it ........

[Montaq]

Are you suprised. Libs preach open mindness, but most of the time they do not practice it. This thread is a example. They b**** that Bush should speak more to the public, but they bash the speech before they hear it.

Is this what being a non-drinker does? Makes you this uptight? I'm glad I'll be drinking a cold one during the speech.

[Cito Pelon]

I'll listen to the speech.

I bet Bush puts a good speech out. Trouble is, anything the guy says amounts to "Bail me out of the jam I put you in."

And it's not just him. There was 73% of the US that gave the guy carte-blanche to put the US into an occupation situation halfway across the world. A guranteed f'd up situation, but there's so many ignorant clowns in this country, they gave Bush carte-blanche to do everything wrong.

The problem is not just Bush, it's the ignorant jack-asses this country is populated with. And not just jackasses, but candy-asses also. 9/11 happened and people went into panic and hysteria. 73% just lost all clear thinking and went into run around in a circle and panic mode.

Disgusting to see how weak 73% of Americans are under pressure. LABF included. LABF went into full panic mode on 9/11.

There was about 12% of the US population that had a good handle on what to do on 9/11 - me included - but the fat-mouth, jackass, ignorant clowns had the stage. Their hysteria paved the way for idiots to make policy.

People are finally coming to their senses, and let's not ever see again you people let youself panic. We can't afford a repetition of that mindless hysteria and panic we saw on 9/11.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Post your guesses as to what lines Dubya will use in his speech tonight.

"They will not shake our will"
"They are thugs, they hate freedom"
"There is not timeline, because I don't know what the hell I'm doing"
"smirk,.."
"strategery"

:laugh:

Well, there's one line we already know the frat boy won't be using:

"My fellow Americans, I lied to you, I screwed up, and I'm sorry."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Disgusting to see how weak 73% of Americans are under pressure. LABF included. LABF went into full panic mode on 9/11.


And where were you on 9/11, asshat?

My money says you weren't in NYC or L.A.

[Spider]

Disgusting to see how weak 73% of Americans are under pressure. LABF included. LABF went into full panic mode on 9/11.
I see , so full panic mode was Firefighters , Cops , parmedics , rushing into those buildings is panic ?

There was about 12% of the US population that had a good handle on what to do on 9/11 - me included - but the fat-mouth, jackass, ignorant clowns had the stage. Their hysteria paved the way for idiots to make policy.
this wont argue with ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/durbin-sorry.jpg

[Spider]

hmmmmm ..... Bush was honest in saying our Progress has been uneven ........ The rest though I just didnt buy ........

[Rigs11]

Are you suprised. Libs preach open mindness, but most of the time they do not practice it. This thread is a example. They b**** that Bush should speak more to the public, but they bash the speech before they hear it.

That's cause we hear the same crap in each speech. We know that the insurgency is "trying to shake our will", the question is "what are you going to do about it Mr President"? What is the timetable for withdrawing the troops Mr. President? Why do you keep smirking Mr. president? I something funny Mr. president? Why haven't you attended any funerals for our fallen soldiers Mr. president? Why are we not allowed to see any of their coffins Mr. president? Why is it that you are so optimistic and yet the generals on the ground state that the insurgency is just as strong as it was 6 months ago Mr. president? Why is it that Rumsfeld states that it could take 12 years to secure Iraq Mr. President?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's cause we hear the same crap in each speech.

To say nothing of the fact that, in 4+ years, the monkey has yet to admit to being wrong about anything or to making a single mistake.

Heard of that story about the boy who cried wolf?

http://www.bartcop.com/bottle-monkey.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Post your guesses as to what lines Dubya will use in his speech tonight.

http://www.bartcop.com/tax-cut-monkey.jpg

[Hogan11]

It was the same old bullshat.....whatta surprise that was ::)

[Rigs11]

April, 2003
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/vstory.bush.banner.afp.jpg


Tonight:

The progress in the past year has been significant, and we have a clear path forward. To complete the mission, we will continue to hunt down the terrorists and insurgents.”

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The progress in the past year has been significant, and we have a clear path forward. To complete the mission, we will continue to hunt down the terrorists and insurgents.”

What offends me the most is hearing this smarmy little pissant say "the sacrifice is worth it."

"Worth it" for who?

"Worth it" for you and your fellow chickenhawk passengers on the PNAC/Carlyle Group/Halliburton/KBR/Big Oil/Big Arms/CitiGroup gravy train, huh Smirk?

You know - those people who are reaping all of the monetary rewards but sharing absolutely none of the physical or economic sacrifices or burdens associated with your Iraq killing spree?

As always, war is "worth it" to those who own the machineries of war - especially when it's someone else's blood being spilled and it's someone else's kids and grandkids (and not my rich friends and their kids) who are getting stuck with the bill.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BushSpeech final: U.S.: 0, B.S.: 1,744 and rising

"MAD TV" used to have a recurring sketch about, literally, ugly Americans trying to hook up via a dating service called "Lowered Expectations." Today, the Bush Administration, aping that sketch, is lowering the bar on what we can count as a "mission accomplished" in our Iraq boondoggle.

Our fey Fearless Leader in a somnambulistic speech in front of a packed crowd of, what NeoCons refer to as, cannon fodder at Fort Bragg put the cap on the spiel. The underlying message of the speech was this: "We screwed up. We're not going to admit it. You're going to pay for this with money and blood. We're not going to admit that. Remember 9/11. If you're not with us, you're weakling tools of terrorists. If you're against this mission, you're spitting on these troops."

In short, this Administration's Iraq policy has boiled down to a riff based on an old "National Lampoon" magazine cover showing a dog with a gun to its head. The headline? "Buy this magazine or we kill the dog."

Gone are the halcyon days of Dick Cheney pontificating that American troops would be "greeted as liberators," of Rumsfeld announcing that "I can't say if the use of force would last five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that" and the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board lackey Kenneth Adelman saying that the war would be a "cakewalk."

http://mkanejeeves.com/?p=126

[Crushaholic]

April, 2003
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/vstory.bush.banner.afp.jpg


Tonight:

The progress in the past year has been significant, and we have a clear path forward. To complete the mission, we will continue to hunt down the terrorists and insurgents.”

The mission to eliminate Saddam from power WAS accomplished. Now, the mission has changed to stabilizing Iraq and hunting down insurgents. THAT mission hasn't been accomplished...

[Rigs11]

The mission to eliminate Saddam from power WAS accomplished. Now, the mission has changed to stabilizing Iraq and hunting down insurgents. THAT mission hasn't been accomplished...

Pssst...maybe you should tell the president your revelation. Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Now, the mission has changed to stabilizing Iraq and hunting down insurgents. THAT mission hasn't been accomplished...

Heh heh heh! :D

How many times has "the mission" changed now? I've lost count.

Irony alert:

Iraq might have been a dictatorship, but it was stable before Bush invaded.

Had Bush not lied us into a war in Iraq, there would be no insurgents to hunt down.

These con artists just keep making it up as they go along.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Up in smoke: Bush flops in prime-time

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

- Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister, Third Reich

In case your eyes glazed over and left you in a comatose state of vacuity; that was George W. Bush at the podium last night giving the most abysmal performance of his 5 year presidency. For a moment, it seemed like General Westmorland was back, giving his immortal "light at the end of the tunnel" speech. Nothing in Bush's palavering even approached that level discourse. Instead, Bush droned on endlessly; exhuming the same bedraggled bromides in the most mind-numbingly dreadful speech of all time.

"The troops here and across the world are fighting a global war on terror. The war reached our shores on September 11, 2001. The terrorists who attacked us and the terrorists we face murder in the name of a totalitarian ideology that hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent," Bush moaned.

Nothing new here; just the same tired phrases reiterated in the same post-stroke drawl.



A word of advice to the White House speech writers: Joseph Goebbels may have encouraged "repeating" the same lie over and over again but, in practical terms, one must avoiding sounding repetitious so that jaws don't drop and drool does not begin to issue from the mouths of the stunned audience.

"Our mission in Iraq is clear. We are hunting down the terrorists. We are helping Iraqis build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror."

Get it?

This is a war on Terror (which must have appeared 50 times in the transcript) Any allusion to oil, of course, remained on the cutting-room floor with the Teddy Kennedy quotes.

"Some of the violence you see in Iraq is being carried out by ruthless killers who are converging on Iraq to fight the advance of peace and freedom..... They fight because they know that the survival of their hateful ideology is at stake. They know that as freedom takes root in Iraq, it will inspire millions across the Middle East to claim their liberty as well."

Freedom? Liberty?

How about Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and Falluja?

"The terrorists know that the outcome will leave them emboldened or defeated. So they are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take."

Let's see....so far, the terrorists, as Bush likes to call the Iraqi resistance, has killed 1,700 American servicemen. Bush's Legions, on the other hand, have killed more than 100,000 Iraqis. Who are the terrorists?

"The terrorists can kill the innocent but they cannot stop the advance of freedom. The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11," Bush crooned.

At this point the camera scanned the audience of glowering servicemen and women; most of whom appeared either stunned by the rhetoric or hopeful that they would hear something that might clarify why they were headed back to the Iraqi hell-hole. Nothing Bush said would ease their burden.

... "progress is being made. We are improving roads and schools and health clinics and working to improve basic services like sanitation, electricity and water. Together with our allies, we will help the new Iraqi government deliver a better life for its citizens."

By every objective standard, things are worse now then they were under Saddam (which was confirmed by a recent UN report). Power is normally on from 3 to 6 hours a day, hospitals lack essential medicines and supplies, cholera and typhoid have broken out in areas of the capital, there's been an up tick in mysterious cancers (depleted uranium?), sewage and sanitation are worse than before the war, clean water is scarce, and unemployment has skyrocketed to 70%.

The new Iraqi government is "building the institutions of a free society, a society based on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and equal justice under law;" all of the "institutions" that are currently under fire at home by the Bush Administration.

"There will be tough moments that test America's resolve. We are fighting against men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons who are capable of any atrocity.... They take innocent lives to create chaos for the cameras. They are trying to shake our will in Iraq just as they tried to shake our will on September 11, 2001."

9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, and, oh, by the way, did I mention 9-11?

"And we fight today because terrorists want to attack our country and kill our citizens!" Bush boomed.

Ah, yes; the old canard of the Islamic hordes charging across the Great Plains, ravaging our women and wiping out our consumer culture.

"And to those watching tonight who are considering a military career, there is no higher calling than service in our Armed Forces."

WHAT?

A shameless plug for the military? "Be All You Can Be" in 115 degree heat covered in sand fleas ducking mortar rounds?

Wouldn't it have been nice if Bush had honored that "higher calling" and showed up for his service in the Alabama National Guard instead of taking off on a coke-binge to some undisclosed location?

"Well, it has been difficult. And we are prevailing.....May God bless you all."

"Prevailing"? Not according to Senator Chuck Hagel, who admitted just last week that the US was "losing in Iraq" and that "The White House is completely disconnected from reality;" a view that is shared by a larger part of the American public every day. Those fears were not allayed by Bush's predictable 35 minutes of inane blather.

Bush had a major task before him last night. He had to articulate a clear strategy for dealing with the current firestorm in Iraq. He failed to do that; no plan, no strategy, no vision, no "tipping point"; just the steady erosion of national confidence, a precipitous decline in credibility, and the daily loss of life.

Death by a thousand cuts.

Already, the polls have signaled what we should have anticipated. Democrats and liberals didn't watch the speech; they've had it with the Dear Leader. All Bush had to do was win over "the faithful"; the Republicans and conservatives who still want to believe in him, but are waiting for a straight answer.

They didn't get one last night.

By Mike Whitney

[Hotrod]

Heh heh heh! :D

How many times has "the mission" changed now? I've lost count.

Irony alert:

Iraq might have been a dictatorship, but it was stable before Bush invaded.

Had Bush not lied us into a war in Iraq, there would be no insurgents to hunt down.

These con artists just keep making it up as they go along.

LOL "stable before Bush invaded" rofl

I guess you have a point it was stable as long as it was not your wife/kids/father/mother being taken out and raped and killed. I wonder if the father of a raped/murdered daughter feels like Iraq was stable.

[Traveler]

I couldn't make myself watch the press conference. Can't stand to see (or hear) the man. I did read the transcript yesterday.

As much as it pains me to say this, I will give the man props for one thing. It is better that we are fighting them over there and not here. I hate that fact we are fighting at all, but now that we are, it's better to do over there.

Excuse me folks, I have to puke now! :alghh: ugh!~ :TJnPopps:

[Rigs11]

LOL "stable before Bush invaded" rofl

I guess you have a point it was stable as long as it was not your wife/kids/father/mother being taken out and raped and killed. I wonder if the father of a raped/murdered daughter feels like Iraq was stable.

Yeah now it's much more stable because those wifes,kids,fathers, mothers are being killed by bombing raids and car bombs instead. Bravo.

[Hotrod]

Yeah now it's much more stable because those wifes,kids,fathers, mothers are being killed by bombing raids and car bombs instead. Bravo.

There a go slick Bravo its better to just go same old same old instead of trying to stop the killing rofl

Now thats great logic there Rigs Ha!

Rigs logic rofl its better to be killed with no hope of it ever ending then to die fighting for your freedom and potential to make the killing/raping stop.

Bravo indeed Rigs Ha!

[Rigs11]

There a go slick Bravo its better to just go same old same old instead of trying to stop the killing rofl

Now thats great logic there Rigs Ha!

Rigs logic rofl its better to be killed with no hope of it ever ending then to die fighting for your freedom and potential to make the killing/raping stop.

Bravo indeed Rigs Ha!

Ah the all assuming Hotrod.You implied that it's more stable now which is silly. I am just replying to that statement. And by the way the Iraqi civilians are the ones that are paying for us cramming democracy down their throats. Has it ever occured to you that religion is far more important to them than freedom?

[Hotrod]

Ah the all assuming Hotrod.You implied that it's more stable now which is silly. I am just replying to that statement. And by the way the Iraqi civilians are the ones that are paying for us cramming democracy down their throats. Has it ever occured to you that religion is far more important to them than freedom?

I assume nothing ;D

I did not imply its more stable you said no wait LABF said "Iraq might have been a dictatorship, but it was stable before Bush invaded."

I simply pointed out that I doubt those who lost loved ones at the hands of said dictatorship think so.

Is it stable right now dear lord not even close and Im not trying to imply that it is.

I do think that the idea that their religion is more important to them then their freedom is a very strong arguement. I think thats the one thing that will either be over come (if thats even possible) or the whole thing will fail. It all starts with getting their youth to stop being brainwashed at 3 and 4 years old. Can that happen I dont know???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah now it's much more stable because those wifes,kids,fathers, mothers are being killed by bombing raids and car bombs instead. Bravo.

Not to mention the fact that the "torture, rape, and murder" hotrod mentioned have continued under BushCo - instead of Saddam and his goons, the U.S. is now doing the torturing, raping, and murdering in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

By every objective standard, things are worse now then they were under Saddam (which was confirmed by a recent UN report). Power is normally on from 3 to 6 hours a day, hospitals lack essential medicines and supplies, cholera and typhoid have broken out in areas of the capital, there's been an up tick in mysterious cancers (depleted uranium?), sewage and sanitation are worse than before the war, clean water is scarce, and unemployment has skyrocketed to 70%.

[Hotrod]

Not to mention the fact that the "torture, rape, and murder" hotrod mentioned have continued under BushCo - instead of Saddam and his goons, the U.S. is now doing the torturing, raping, and murdering in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

Ya Abu Ghraib was the same scale as Saddam rofl

[Play2win]

Heh heh heh! :D

How many times has "the mission" changed now? I've lost count.

Irony alert:

Iraq might have been a dictatorship, but it was stable before Bush invaded.

Had Bush not lied us into a war in Iraq, there would be no insurgents to hunt down.

These con artists just keep making it up as they go along.
There were also alot LESS Terrorist with their sites solely set on AMERICANS, and the USA before Bush invaded.

Really the only thing Bush has done is to HARM our personal and NATIONAL SECURITY and put (us!) Americans in more personal peril.

If his mission was to endanger and cause harm to Americans, he has completed that mission With FLYING COLORS!!!

[Hotrod]

Im sure power and sanitation are worse now of course the blame can be put square on the shoulders of their own citizens.

[Hotrod]

So LABF you sticking to your claim things were rosey in Iraq before the evil repub empire attacked rofl

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ya Abu Ghraib was the same scale as Saddam rofl

Ah, there's that notorious right-wing logic again: "Our torture, rape, and murder is OK because Saddam did more of it."

Im sure power and sanitation are worse now of course the blame can be put square on the shoulders of their own citizens.

???

You're kidding, right?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So LABF you sticking to your claim things were rosey in Iraq before the evil repub empire attacked rofl

tsk tsk

I said 'stable' - not 'rosy.'

And why would I change my story when I'm beating you in the debate?

???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There were also alot LESS Terrorist with their sites solely set on AMERICANS, and the USA before Bush invaded.

Really the only thing Bush has done is to HARM our personal and NATIONAL SECURITY and put (us!) Americans in more personal peril.

If his mission was to endanger and cause harm to Americans, he has completed that mission With FLYING COLORS!!!

:thumbsup: ^5

[Hotrod]

Ah, there's that notorious right-wing logic again: "Our torture, rape, and murder is OK because Saddam did more of it."



???

You're kidding, right?

No Im not kidding as we rebuild the infrastructer the terrorist blow it back up. Notice we are no longer bombing buildings. We are not the one trying to blow up oil pipelines.

[Hotrod]

tsk tsk

I said 'stable' - not 'rosy.'

And why would I change my story when I'm beating you in the debate?

???

So you would be good living in a country where 'stable' means they just might take your daughter and rape her in the night. That if you slipped and said Saddam is evil they would cut out your tongue if your lucky. Your idea of stable and mine are not the same I guess.

Beating me in a debate. rofl when you argue Iraq was stable you have zero chance of out debating a rock.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No Im not kidding as we rebuild the infrastructer the terrorist blow it back up. Notice we are no longer bombing buildings. We are not the one trying to blow up oil pipelines.

rofl

We wouldn't be there rebuilding the "infrastructer" if we hadn't blown it to bits in the first place!

You see, that's the BushCo/Halliburton/KBR/Carlyle scam in a nutshell:

Make tons of money for ourselves and our Big Arms cronies blowing the place to smithereens, and then make even more money for ourselves and our cronies at KBR and Halliburton doing the reconstruction of the things we just blew up.

[Hotrod]

rofl

We wouldn't be there rebuilding the "infrastructer" if we hadn't blown it to bits in the first place!

You see, that's the BushCo/Halliburton/KBR/Carlyle scam in a nutshell:

Make tons of money for ourselves and our Big Arms cronies blowing the place to smithereens, and then make even more money for ourselves and our cronies at KBR and Halliburton doing the reconstruction of the things we just blew up.

Sounds like good business to me. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So you would be good living in a country where 'stable' means they just might take your daughter and rape her in the night. That if you slipped and said Saddam is evil they would cut out your tongue if your lucky. Your idea of stable and mine are not the same I guess.

All of the things you just described are still happening under the BushCo occupation.

Factor in all the other aforementioned instances of instability that didn't exist before BushCo came down the pike and you'll see that my case holds up just fine.

when you argue Iraq was stable you have zero chance of out debating a rock.

Only if you choose to ignore facts and evidence (which I know I can usually count on.)

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sounds like good business to me. ;D

Yeah - who cares how many American service men and women (not to mention Iraqi civilians) have to die?

That's the Bush/Cheney business model in a nutshell.

[Hotrod]

All of the things you just described are still happening under the BushCo occupation.

Factor in all the other aforementioned instances of instability that didn't exist before BushCo came down the pike and you'll see that my case holds up just fine.

That was my point. I agree they are still happening and that aint good but would you rather live with the guarantee the murder/rape will continue or take a shot at standing up against it and trying to make things change??? I agree Im not sold that the Iraqi people will do that but they must if the war is to be won. If the Iraqi people dont eventually stand on their own two feet this war will be lost.

:D

Somehow my response is inside your quote box but your pretty smart you'll figure it out ;D

[Hotrod]

Yeah - who cares how many American service men and women (not to mention Iraqi civilians) have to die?

That's the Bush/Cheney business model in a nutshell.

Your a tricky rabbit there LABF use a smart arse remark to push your agenda. ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your a tricky rabbit there LABF use a smart arse remark to push your agenda. ROFL!

Not tricky - just truthful. And telling the truth about the BushCo business model isn't an "agenda" - it's just the truth.

If the Iraqi people dont eventually stand on their own two feet this war will be lost.

I agree that the Iraqi people will ultimately control their own destiny - just like the Vietnamese people did when we finally pulled out of that quagmire/nation building enterprise.

[Hotrod]

Not tricky - just truthful. And telling the truth about the BushCo business model isn't an "agenda" - it's just the truth.



Oh you've had an "agenda" ever since Gore got smacked around.

[Rigs11]

So you would be good living in a country where 'stable' means they just might take your daughter and rape her in the night. That if you slipped and said Saddam is evil they would cut out your tongue if your lucky. Your idea of stable and mine are not the same I guess.

Beating me in a debate. rofl when you argue Iraq was stable you have zero chance of out debating a rock.

Hey Hotrod since you're such a humanitarian I would like your thoughts on places like Sudan, Ubekistan, and Zimbabwe.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Zogby says Bush's speech didn't help

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech; Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation; Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

In a more significant sign of the weakness of the President’s numbers, more “Red State” voters—that is, voters living in the states that cast their ballots for the Bush-Cheney ticket in 2004—now rate his job performance unfavorably, with 50% holding a negative impression of the President’s handling of his duties, and 48% holding a favorable view.

[Hotrod]

Hey Hotrod since you're such a humanitarian I would like your thoughts on places like Sudan, Ubekistan, and Zimbabwe.

Lets start with the UN in this case. We are only one country we can only do so much. Why is the UN sitting on its hands?

[Montaq]

Lets start with the UN in this case. We are only one country we can only do so much. Why is the UN sitting on its hands?
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[Spider]

Lets start with the UN in this case. We are only one country we can only do so much. Why is the UN sitting on its hands?
The UN is screwed up , big time , when the UN does go in , the peace keepers commit more crimes , then the people they are trying to stop .... The UN needs to be reformed ,I just dont think Bolton is the man to do it .......

[Hotrod]

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How is it a cop out to expect the UN who we give insane amounts of $ to to do their job. ???

[Hotrod]

The UN is screwed up , big time , when the UN does go in , the peace keepers commit more crimes , then the people they are trying to stop .... The UN needs to be reformed ,I just dont think Bolton is the man to do it .......

I agree but maybe until they get it fixed we stop giving they $. That may get their attention. In the mean time that $ can be used for our own troops.

[Spider]

I agree but maybe until they get it fixed we stop giving they $. That may get their attention. In the mean time that $ can be used for our own troops.
Naw that wont do it , hell we are behind in our U.N. dues now , what we need is a guy that commands respect , treats others with respect , firm yet Fair ......
The UN needs reforming , no one can argue against that ........ But we need a Real reformer in there ...... then and only then things will change

[Montaq]

The question about your feelings on atrocities in other parts of the world didn't have anything to do with the UN.

[Hotrod]

The question about your feelings on atrocities in other parts of the world didn't have anything to do with the UN.

Oh ok then here ya go I think the atrocities in all parts of the world suck.

[Montaq]

Oh ok then here ya go I think the atrocities in all parts of the world suck.

That's better. :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Rigs11]

Lets start with the UN in this case. We are only one country we can only do so much. Why is the UN sitting on its hands?

So let me get this straight.First the reason for war in Iraq was because Hussein had ties to AlQaeda then it was because of the WMD then it was because Hussein was an evil dictator. Now you go around using the last excuse and feeling all good inside that Hussein is behind bars, and yet when i ask you about other places where people are suffering under dictators you pull the UN into it. Come on man have more balls than that. It's okay you can say it. Bush lied to us about why we went to war there, everyone already knows.