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SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 02:32 PM
As July approached, word from Seattle was that the Seahawks were a bit leery of investing as much money as ex-Ravens DE-OLB Peter Boulware was looking for in a player who missed the entire 2004 campaign following microfracture knee surgery. Should Boulware significantly lower his asking price, we hear the Seahawks might seriously consider adding him to the roster.

A source close to the Steelers believes the team might not have much leverage in any contract extension talks with WR Hines Ward, who has consistently produced on the field and is popular in Pittsburgh. After declining to sign WR Plaxico Burress to a lucrative extension, the Steelers will have to give Ward a lucrative deal to keep him around. Ward is entering the final year of his contract.

We hear that Patriots S Rodney Harrison is dissatisfied with his contract situation, having outperformed the six-year deal he signed as a free agent in 2003. Word is, it had been intimated to Harrison that the team would sit down with him if he performed well, something he certainly has done as the unquestioned leader of a young secondary.

Panthers DE Julius Peppers is said to be in the best shape of his career and blew everyone away by running his post-workout wind sprints — a total of 200 yards — in the same time range as the defensive backs and receivers.

Don’t be fooled by the fact Mike Anderson was listed as the No. 1 running back in a recent minicamp in Denver. The Broncos are excited with the way Tatum Bell has committed himself to the weight room (adding 10 pounds of bulk) and to learning the playbook, and he’s all but certain to be given first crack at the starting job.

Word from South Florida is that Dolphins 2004 first-round pick Vernon Carey looks like a different player altogether and has the inside track at the OLT spot ahead of Damion McIntosh. Observers say it’s obvious that O-line coach Hudson Houck is pressing the buttons with Carey that Tony Wise didn’t in 2004. We hear Carey is in better shape and more confident and held his own vs. Pro Bowl DE Jason Taylor during spring practice.

Giants observers have marveled at the praise handed down by head coach Tom Coughlin toward his players. The reserved Coughlin was especially praiseworthy of second-year LB Reggie Torbor, LB Carlos Emmons and CB Will Allen, a player who found himself in Coughlin’s doghouse by the end of last season.

Niners OLB Julian Peterson, who is coming back from a torn left Achilles, told our sources in mid-June that if there were a regular game scheduled in three weeks, he would be ready to start.

Sources say Chargers WR Reche Caldwell is running as fast this summer as he was prior to the anterior cruciate ligament tear that cut short his breakout 2004 season.

We hear that RB Cadillac Williams is the front-runner to be the Buccaneers’ featured back in Week One despite head coach Jon Gruden’s reluctance to rely on rookies.

The Patriots’ signing of RB-RS Chad Morton brings into question free-agent signee Tim Dwight’s future status with the team. Dwight, who turns 30 in July, was hampered by a foot injury in the team’s June minicamp, and concern for the injury may have pushed the Patriots to close the deal for the 28-year-old Morton.

Although Seahawks WR Darrell Jackson’s absence from the team’s voluntary camps this offseason rubbed QB Matt Hasselbeck the wrong way, we hear the team isn’t worried about any letdown in the No. 1 wideout’s performance — at least in the short term. There is some concern, though, that unspecified commitments Jackson says were made by former team president Bob Whitsitt, most likely of a financial nature, could come back to haunt the team at a later date.

We hear the Jaguars are hopeful that rookie second-round pick Khalif Barnes merges as the starter at left offensive tackle. Mike Pearson, a second-round pick in 2002 who started 11 games as a rookie, is recovering from a severe knee injury suffered last October and continues to be limited.

There have been mixed reviews of Packers rookie QB Aaron Rodgers in minicamp. Offensive coordinator Tom Rossley said the team will take its time since there is no pressure to play Rodgers immediately. For now the coaching staff won’t tinker with Rodgers’ mechanics. He had happy feet and made late decisions due to unfamiliarity and a lack of comfort in the offense during minicamp. However, the Packers believe most of Rodgers’ high throws were a product of learning a new offense and making late decisions.

Falcons rookie WR Roddy White has been so impressive that he could step in as the No. 2 receiver on the team from Day One of training camp.
Observers say Bears DLE Adewale Ogunleye has been extremely cautious in returning from offseason ankle surgery. Moving well after returning to practice for the first time on June 15, Ogunleye says he’s 100 percent and ready to rebound from a poor first season in Chicago.

Bengals RB Chris Perry (sports hernia) didn’t practice in the team’s June minicamp. We hear Perry could earn a role in the Cincinnati offense with his speed and pass-catching ability, but he will need to be medically cleared for training camp. Perry was the team’s first-round pick in 2004.

The Lions intend to continue working toward a long-term agreement with RS Eddie Drummond even after the restricted free agent refused to sign a one-year, $1.43 million tender offer. Under league rules, the Lions could have lowered Drummond’s offer to $455,000 on June 15 but chose not to in the interest of keeping negotiations positive.
Also on June 15, Detroit quietly paid QB Joey Harrington the $3 million bonus he was due from his original contract. Harrington has two years remaining on the contract he signed as a rookie in 2002.

We hear that if the Dolphins decide to add a cornerback via free agency, it will be on the cheap, particularly if they decide to spend a high draft pick on ex-USC DT Manuel Wright in the mid-July supplemental draft.
Team observers in Chicago were wowed by second-year CB Nathan Vasher at the close of spring practice sessions. Vasher’s knack for making big plays doesn’t appear to have been a one-year deal.

Although Buccaneers DE Simeon Rice has hinted at retirement, saying he has other things he wants to do with his life, we’re told Rice won’t be going anywhere before the end of his current contract, which runs through 2007.
Titans GM Floyd Reese confirmed to PFW that agent Drew Rosenhaus has sent the club a request for an extension for C Justin Hartwig, who becomes an unrestricted free agent after this season, but that no further discussion took place. Reese expects the two sides to continue talking later in the summer.

The Chiefs’ ORT job may not automatically belong to Jordan Black just because he finished last season there. Kevin Sampson, a second-year option out of Syracuse, was splitting time with Black at a recent minicamp and may be given a good look in August before a decision is made. Black also filled in at left tackle when Willie Roaf was absent from practice, as the Chiefs aim to get him some exposure there, as well, for the future.

Saints CBs Fahkir Brown and Mike McKenzie are grumbling about their contracts and are posturing to get new deals.

Panthers LB Will Witherspoon has started to hint that he may stage a holdout if he doesn’t get a contract extension prior to the start of training camp July 29.

The Chiefs had first-round pick Derrick Johnson listed second on the depth chart at the strong-side LB spot, but we’re told he’ll easily be starting by the preseason after several standout plays during offseason practices. “There’s a whole lot of talent there,” observed one source. In a bit of a surprise, K.C. had new addition Kendrell Bell manning the weak side and the previously struggling Kawika Mitchell starting in the middle at the last minicamp. It was previously assumed Bell would be in the middle and Johnson would roam the weak side.

The way we hear it, it wouldn’t be surprising if Ravens TE Todd Heap misses all of training camp as he recovers from shoulder and ankle surgery. Heap signed a lucrative contract extension with the club in June.

Team observers and even a few Bears players have not been impressed with second-round pick Mark Bradley. The wide receiver wasn’t catching the ball cleanly in practices, and some believe Bradley to be more of a project than even management might have anticipated. On the other hand, Bernard Berrian appears to be superquick, and Justin Gage is well ahead of where he was last year.

The Eagles have paid close attention to the Bears’ signing of second-round WR Mark Bradley (39th overall pick), the highest-drafted player to sign as of June 26. A high-ranking Eagles official told PFW that the team will use Bradley’s deal as a potential measuring stick in its dealings with first-round DT Mike Patterson (31st overall) and second-round WR Reggie Brown (35th overall). A source close to Patterson said the Bradley deal is merely one minor element of the negotiations but that he expects Patterson to be in camp on time.

We hear that Dolphins fourth-string CB Reggie Howard, a disappointment after signing a big free-agent contract in 2004, turned down a request by Miami to restructure his contract. Barring a much-improved performance in ’05, Howard is likely playing his last season with the Dolphins.

The Broncos’ coaching staff has spent a fair bit of time analyzing WR Darius Watts’ play as a rookie, when he caught 31 passes as the team’s No. 3 wideout, and despite some typical first-year mistakes, they like what they saw and envision a bright future for him. In other words, don’t expect to see the Broncos impede his progress in exchange for keeping Jerry Rice happy.

Eagles team president Joe Banner told PFW that the team’s stance on disgruntled WR Terrell Owens hasn’t changed. “We’re in the same boat as everybody else (as far as knowing T.O.’s plans). Our conditions are not going to change. We’ve been quite clear in that regard. We hope he comes back. If he does, we’re a better team.”

There’s a good chance the Chargers could work some packages that include pint-sized but explosive rookie RB Darren Sproles into the game plan this fall. According to team observers, the 5-foot-6 ex-Kansas State star made a few moves in minicamps that would have made every highlight show.
Based on offseason workouts, it appears as though the Chargers are set to open training camp with CB Drayton Florence and FS Jerry Wilson ahead of Sammy Davis and Bhawoh Jue, respectively, on the depth chart.

Although Niners C Jeremy Newberry seems determined to make a comeback from his latest kneecap injury in time for the regular season, we hear the odds are very much stacked against him. Fortunately for the Niners, they feel fourth-year pro Eric Heitmann is quite capable of moving from right guard into the starting center job, our sources say. We hear Heitmann, who agreed to a four-year contract extension June 2, was one of three players who showed up every day for the team’s offseason activities (WR P.J. Fleck and QB Ken Dorsey were the others).

The Saints are willing to go into the upcoming season with Wayne Gandy at the starting OLT spot although Gandy has refused to take a pay cut. But we’re told they hope third-year veteran Jon Stinchcomb will take over the position in 2006.

The way we hear it, Ravens ORT Orlando Brown is still not at full strength due to knee problems. The team hopes Brown can team with rookie Adam Terry at right tackle.

Although the Falcons claim LBs Demorrio Williams and Ike Reese are battling for the starting strong-side LB job, we hear the position is Williams’ to lose.
After looking awful in the Seahawks’ post-draft minicamp, rookie QB David Greene made huge strides in the team’s mid-June get-together, we’re told. At that same mid-June minicamp, the word is, veteran TE Itula Mili appeared considerably slimmer after reporting to the previous camp at a whopping 290 pounds.

We hear Cardinals fourth-round rookie Elton Brown is far behind incumbent Jeremy Bridges at the OLG spot after suffering an early offseason hamstring injury. Unless Brown comes on like gangbusters in training camp, it’s pretty much a given Bridges will be the opening-day starter.
After being considered even with Marcel Shipp at one point in the Cardinals’ competition at running back, Troy Hambrick faces a major uphill climb for even a roster spot should he ever decide to show up at camp, our sources say. Don’t be surprised if Hambrick meets the same fate as C Pete Kendall, who was cut on the eve of training camp last season.

The Bengals signed former Bears QB Craig Krenzel to compete with Casey Bramlet and Josh Haldi for the No. 3 job. As a source close to the team pointed out, the winner of this competition could have a shot at being Carson Palmer’s primary backup in 2006, as veteran Jon Kitna is in the final year of his contract.

Newly signed Browns QB Doug Johnson has a good shot at beating out Josh Harris for a roster spot. A source close to the team says Harris will need to improve his play to have a shot to stick on the roster.
After passing on RS Chad Morton, expect the Giants to search for a punt returner in July and August. It’s the area Tom Coughlin said he’d like to upgrade right now.

There could be a training-camp battle for the Bengals’ starting MLB job between Landon Johnson and rookie Odell Thurman, but Johnson (offseason shoulder surgery) will need to be medically cleared for camp. Johnson was impressive in the middle toward the end of last season, while Thurman’s athleticism has drawn raves.

Since spraining his ankle on a plastic cone on May 21, TE Desmond Clark hasn’t taken the field for the Bears’ on-field practice sessions. Clark has not been the impact player some felt he could be since joining the team in 2003. The Bears have used Dustin Lyman with the first-team offense and shifted former University of Minnesota and Ravens WR Ron Johnson to H-back. Johnson, a 6-2, 225-pounder, caught 11 passes in 22 career games with the Ravens. The former fourth-round pick didn’t have the speed to separate at wide receiver.

Word from South Florida is that DT Tim Bowens will hold off on filing retirement papers with the league in the hope that a year out of football will allow his back to be healthy enough to return to the Dolphins in 2006. Bowens will turn 33 next February.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 02:37 PM
Thoughts:

Obviously im happy with what they are saying about our two youngsters. We will need breakout performances by both this year.

Puzzling why Gunther would put Kendrell Bell, a career MLB on the weakside and put Johnson, a speed guy, on the strongside. Waste of both of their abilities...not that i am complaining.

Glad to hear Vernon Carey is coming around.

Julius Peppers in shape and raring to go? Could be NFL Def. Player of the Year this year.

Surprising that Roddy White could start as a No. 2 from day 1 i thought he was a little raw.

Dudeskey
06-27-2005, 02:48 PM
Surprising that Roddy White could start as a No. 2 from day 1 i thought he was a little raw.

IMO, I thought Roddy White had bust written all over him. I'm actually surprised he's doing so well.

i4jelway7
06-27-2005, 02:52 PM
IMO, I thought Roddy White had bust written all over him. I'm actually surprised he's doing so well.



I think almost any receiver can be HUGE in atlanta (except obviously Peerless Price)

ludo21
06-27-2005, 02:53 PM
im excited to see outsiders give props to the bronocs guys. They did so without any bashing either, great to hear!! and i hope that Cadillac starts in Tampa caz i cant stand pittman, what a waste of talent, he has jamal lewis ability, but doesnt work hard enough. Thats why here in AZ the cards sent him packing

Dudeskey
06-27-2005, 02:55 PM
I think almost any receiver can be HUGE in atlanta (except obviously Peerless Price)

Travis Taylor huge? LOL

TheReverend
06-27-2005, 03:10 PM
Thoughts:

Obviously im happy with what they are saying about our two youngsters. We will need breakout performances by both this year.

Puzzling why Gunther would put Kendrell Bell, a career MLB on the weakside and put Johnson, a speed guy, on the strongside. Waste of both of their abilities...not that i am complaining.

Glad to hear Vernon Carey is coming around.

Julius Peppers in shape and raring to go? Could be NFL Def. Player of the Year this year.

Surprising that Roddy White could start as a No. 2 from day 1 i thought he was a little raw.

I LOVE that move. Heres a guy who plays a finesse game and cant take on blockers planted across from the tight end... Gunther is a genius. I cant wait to see the first time Carswell hits him... DJ gonna go flying. Hell, I think Putz can put him on his ass.

ozomulsion
06-27-2005, 03:15 PM
im excited to see outsiders give props to the bronocs guys. They did so without any bashing either, great to hear!! and i hope that Cadillac starts in Tampa caz i cant stand pittman, what a waste of talent, he has jamal lewis ability, but doesnt work hard enough. Thats why here in AZ the cards sent him packing

Pittman could've been better maybe a lot better. Pittman with Rod Smith work ethic still wouldn't come close to Lewis as far as ability goes.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 03:18 PM
Bell played ILB in a 3-4 in pittsburgh. He's more suited for the OLB role in a 4-3, and that way he can blitz off the corner more.

ozomulsion
06-27-2005, 03:20 PM
A source close to the Steelers believes the team might not have much leverage in any contract extension talks with WR Hines Ward, who has consistently produced on the field and is popular in Pittsburgh. After declining to sign WR Plaxico Burress to a lucrative extension, the Steelers will have to give Ward a lucrative deal to keep him around. Ward is entering the final year of his contract.

Gee ya think? This guy is a genius.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2005, 03:24 PM
Bell played ILB in a 3-4 in pittsburgh. He's more suited for the OLB role in a 4-3, and that way he can blitz off the corner more.

Wouldn't he be more suited to play SLB and keep Derrick Johnson at WLB?

TheManeMan
06-27-2005, 03:26 PM
I think almost any receiver can be HUGE in atlanta (except obviously Peerless Price)


Unless Kelly Herndon is covering him...

ozomulsion
06-27-2005, 03:27 PM
Bell has always played WILB in the 3-4. Neither are suited for SAM.

MT-Tdawg
06-27-2005, 03:33 PM
Nice to see that Tatum has added some muscle. IF healthy, IF, he's going to have a 1500 yard season. Hopefully they are teaching him to catch too.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 04:24 PM
Wouldn't he be more suited to play SLB and keep Derrick Johnson at WLB?

No. DJ is tailor made to cover tight ends. Bell sure as hell ain't. He's tailor made to come tearing off the weakside at the QB's blindside.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 04:32 PM
No. DJ is tailor made to cover tight ends. Bell sure as hell ain't. He's tailor made to come tearing off the weakside at the QB's blindside.

Yeah, like i said, it will be very good for the Chiefs pass defense wise for Johnson to be there, but he is going to get killed in the run over there since he wont be protected and already sucks when taking on blocks.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 04:36 PM
Yeah, like i said, it will be very good for the Chiefs pass defense wise for Johnson to be there, but he is going to get killed in the run over there since he wont be protected and already sucks when taking on blocks.

Are we comparing DJ to Ian Gold now? Sheesh.

Do you guys know of ANY linebacker than can take on offensive lineman and win consistently? Not even the great Ray Lewis did well against the Chiefs last year.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 04:40 PM
Are we comparing DJ to Ian Gold now? Sheesh.

Do you guys know of ANY linebacker than can take on offensive lineman and win consistently? Not even the great Ray Lewis did well against the Chiefs last year.

Im not talking about OL Bob im talking FBs and TEs. Johnson sucked going up against even FB blocks or TE blocks. Its not even about OL, obviously most LBs will struggle against OL, but Johnson sucked against even TE and FB blocks. Johnson can be a force in the run game as well as in the pass game but in order for the former to be true, he has to be on the other side. I understand you guys can get a great benefit by having him shut the TE down, but by the same token you are essentially clipping his wings in the run game departments. I think Gunther should only put him on the strongside if the opponent has a really awesome TE who is the focal point of the offense OR only on passing downs based on the opponent's tendencies. Otherwise keep him on the weakside so he can help the team in the run game department because he can do that pretty well if protected.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 04:42 PM
Texas had one of the best run defenses in the nation. Yeah, DJ sucks.

Look, it's not hard to understand. We were 12th against the run last year with Scott Fujita playing DJ's spot. DJ is a clear upgrade.

You think somehow we're going to be worse off with DJ instead of Scott Fujita? ROFL!

SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 04:47 PM
Texas had one of the best run defenses in the nation. Yeah, DJ sucks.

Look, it's not hard to understand. We were 12th against the run last year with Scott Fujita playing DJ's spot. DJ is a clear upgrade.

You think somehow we're going to be worse off with DJ instead of Scott Fujita? ROFL!

Bob you just ignored what i said. Texas was very good against the run, in large part because Derrick Johnson was free to roam and get a bunch of stuffs at the LOS, including many TFL from the WLB spot. I concede that if you put him at Sam, since he is such a good pass defender, the Chiefs will have good success against TEs but by the same token, do not expect him to be anywhere near as much a force as he was at Texas in the run game, especially given he already had serious problems shedding blocks from ANYONE not just OL. Now that problem is not only made more acute because its NFL level OL, FB, TE blockers, but also because he is unprotected. Its a risk-benefit for Gunther. If he thinks the front is otherwise very good against the run, than it makes sense, if not, than you have a problem. Again i think the best thing for the Chiefs, is if they have a big hard on for his coverage abilities, than shift him back and forth, with him staying at WLB unless either the opponent has a star TE OR its a down based on the down and distance tendencies where the opponent is far more likely to pass.

Rock Chalk
06-27-2005, 04:50 PM
Nice to see that Tatum has added some muscle. IF healthy, IF, he's going to have a 1500 yard season. Hopefully they are teaching him to catch too.
Tatum stays healthy all year, he gets 1800 easy.

Ballhawk
06-27-2005, 04:52 PM
You think somehow we're going to be worse off with DJ instead of Scott Fujita? ROFL!

A Rookie is a Rookie is a Rookie!

You do not know what he will do until he plays in a real game.

TheDave
06-27-2005, 04:54 PM
Tatum stays healthy all year, he gets 1800 easy.

Ditto!

In all my years of watching football i've never seen anyone hit the whole as fast as he does. It's going to get him killed once in a while, but seeing him hit the secondary while they are still backpeddling will be worth it!

Rock Chalk
06-27-2005, 04:56 PM
Tatum might be faster than Portis, game speed. He's bigger and I've seen his college tapes, he can be used on occassion as a bruiser getting tougher yards. I believe he has the bulk, speed and lower body type to be way better than Portis ever was in our offense.

Broncoman13
06-27-2005, 05:11 PM
Im not talking about OL Bob im talking FBs and TEs. Johnson sucked going up against even FB blocks or TE blocks. Its not even about OL, obviously most LBs will struggle against OL, but Johnson sucked against even TE and FB blocks. Johnson can be a force in the run game as well as in the pass game but in order for the former to be true, he has to be on the other side. I understand you guys can get a great benefit by having him shut the TE down, but by the same token you are essentially clipping his wings in the run game departments. I think Gunther should only put him on the strongside if the opponent has a really awesome TE who is the focal point of the offense OR only on passing downs based on the opponent's tendencies. Otherwise keep him on the weakside so he can help the team in the run game department because he can do that pretty well if protected.


I'm getting sick of defending a freaking chef... but DJohn will be fine at either position. They will likely keep him at the Sam b/c of his coverage ability. What you guys don't realize is that every game Derrick Johnson has played in the last two years... he has been the main focus of opposing OC's. Yes, there is a large difference in talent, but don't be suprised to see Johnson get off blocks just as he did in college. One of the things that makes Johnson so great... even when it looks like he's been taken out of the play he finds a way to get back into it. His backside pursuit is incredible and that is where 90% of his caused fumbles come from... most of you remember the great Jashon Sykes while at CU. Think of a guy that can bring those same skills to the NFL and you have DJohn. I hate pimping him b/c he plays for the Chefs but he was one of my four favorite players in this draft. Actually, you better make that three since DeAngelo Williams decided to return to Memphis. The other two guys to watch out for are Merriman (Sucks he's @ SD) and Dan Cody (Sucks he's @ Balt.) You will hear plenty of these guys and it shouldn't take too long for them to become household names. Watch out for DWill in 2005. Right now he's probably 3rd in the Heisman b/c of Reggie Bush and Leinart... but those two could steal votes from each other paving the way for Williams.

As for the original post. I'm not concerned with Rice taking reps or catches away from Watts. I really liked what he was doing on the field last year. Incredibly frustrated a couple times when he dropped some balls, but when he caught the ball between the 20's you could see he has bigtime YAC written all over him! He needs to keep his balance and learn how to focus... after that he'll be good-great.

I was a bit suprised when MA was "given" the #1 at RB recently. I personally think it's Bell's to lose and when it's all said and done it will likely be Bell, MoC, and then MA on the depth chart. Should be fun this preseason watching guys like Ron Dayne and MoC "earning" roster spots on ST's.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 05:13 PM
Bob you just ignored what i said. Texas was very good against the run, in large part because Derrick Johnson was free to roam and get a bunch of stuffs at the LOS, including many TFL from the WLB spot. I concede that if you put him at Sam, since he is such a good pass defender, the Chiefs will have good success against TEs but by the same token, do not expect him to be anywhere near as much a force as he was at Texas in the run game, especially given he already had serious problems shedding blocks from ANYONE not just OL. Now that problem is not only made more acute because its NFL level OL, FB, TE blockers, but also because he is unprotected. Its a risk-benefit for Gunther. If he thinks the front is otherwise very good against the run, than it makes sense, if not, than you have a problem. Again i think the best thing for the Chiefs, is if they have a big hard on for his coverage abilities, than shift him back and forth, with him staying at WLB unless either the opponent has a star TE OR its a down based on the down and distance tendencies where the opponent is far more likely to pass.


I don't care. Derrick Johnson > Scott Fujita. We've improved that position.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 05:14 PM
What you guys don't realize is that every game Derrick Johnson has played in the last two years... he has been the main focus of opposing OC's.

Yup. And we haven't had a player the opposing offense has had to account for in quite some time.

DB-Freak
06-27-2005, 05:14 PM
Portis's deep speed overrated.

Portis's game deep speed even more overrated.

Bell is a true burner.

Ballhawk
06-27-2005, 05:18 PM
Yup. And we haven't had a player the opposing offense has had to account for in quite some time.

You still don't.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 05:31 PM
You still don't.

There is a high probability Derrick Johnson will be that player. Are you forgetting about Surtain, Bell and the ballhawk Knight?

And let's not forget rookie sack sensation Jared Allen! DONK KILLAS!

TheDave
06-27-2005, 05:38 PM
There is a high probability Derrick Johnson will be that player. Are you forgetting about Surtain, Bell and the ballhawk Knight?

And let's not forget rookie sack sensation Jared Allen! DONK KILLAS!

Don't you mean...

Surtain the sorcerer
Bell the Barbarian and...
The Red Knight

ozomulsion
06-27-2005, 06:14 PM
Sorry B-man but DeAngelo Williams has no chance for the heisman no matter how well he does. He will likely finish with 2100+ rushing yards but that won't get him close unless by close you consider 4th or 5th close. The kid can ball, best college RB I've seen since Tomlinson. He'll likely be a top 5 pick but no heisman. It's politics man and being from Memphis University is like an independent trying to win the presidency. Just look what happened to Tomlinson.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/heisman/news/2000/12/09/closer_look/

Here's just a little snipit from the article I linked.
Despite leading the nation in rushing for the second consecutive year, with the fourth-highest single-season total in history (2,158 yards), Tomlinson garnered just 566 points, well behind winner Chris Weinke (1,628) and runner-up Josh Heupel (1,552). He earned a mere 47 first-place votes, compared with Weinke's 369 and Heupel's 286.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 06:31 PM
Don't you mean...

Surtain the sorcerer
Bell the Barbarian and...
The Red Knight


Sally forth!

Raider Bill
06-27-2005, 07:22 PM
Don't you mean...

Surtain the sorcerer
Bell the Barbarian and...
The Red Knight

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:T6bWTddELK4J:www.heroquest.org/album/peeps1/martin_as_red_sorcerer.gif

Raider Bill
06-27-2005, 07:26 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:gtWl-Six48YJ:www114.sakura.ne.jp/~asobinin/pages/miniature/miniphoto/elemental_outsider/tieflingcaptain.jpg

Raider Bill
06-27-2005, 07:27 PM
http://shelley.bump.us/trip/May27/red%20knight.jpg

Broncoman13
06-27-2005, 07:29 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/heisman/news/2000/12/09/closer_look/

Here's just a little snipit from the article I linked.


I know exactly what you're saying. Kind of like last year where the two guys that should have been one/two ended up 2 and 4 or 5. I personally thought that both Alex Smith and Adrian Peterson had better years.

As for the bias vs small schools... no doubt. I remember years back when a dude I went to HS with, Trevor Cobb went to Rice and put up big time numbers. For a little while they thought he might jump into the Heisman race, but too many obstacles to over come for a non bigtime program. That being said, it's not out of the question to see Williams break Sanders single season mark. The coaches at Memphis won't be pulling him out of games just b/c he's hit that 200 yard mark.... they'll let him get up around 250 and even 300. Look at his last 4 games of the season from this past year and you'll see that he's on a tear. Now he is coming off a broken leg, but it was a clean break and typically speed guys can come back from that type of injury. I'm not even sure it was bad enough to require pins... but, it's still a concern none the less.

To sum it up, IF DWill rushes for 2700 yards he will win the Heisman. Can he rush for 2700 yards... probably not, that's a lot of yards and would require him rushing for an avg of 225 per game if he plays in 12 games, close to 250 otherwise! Like you said SoCal he has a lot more obstacles than guys like Adrian Peterson, Homer, Leinart, and even that Minn. back who is a stud in his own right!

Tredici
06-27-2005, 07:55 PM
Panthers DE Julius Peppers is said to be in the best shape of his career and blew everyone away by running his post-workout wind sprints — a total of 200 yards — in the same time range as the defensive backs and receivers.

That might be one of the most impressive - and scariest - snippets in the entire article. But carry on talking about the greatness of the Chief newbie.

ozomulsion
06-27-2005, 08:28 PM
As for the bias vs small schools... no doubt. I remember years back when a dude I went to HS with, Trevor Cobb went to Rice and put up big time numbers. For a little while they thought he might jump into the Heisman race, but too many obstacles to over come for a non bigtime program.

That's too cool that you went to HS with Trevor Cobb. He was one bad man in college, one of my favorite players when he was in school. He won the Doak Walker Award the year before my boy Garrison Hearst won it.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2005, 09:34 PM
http://shelley.bump.us/trip/May27/red%20knight.jpg

Fool. I posted a better version months ago:

rbackfactory80
06-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Are we comparing DJ to Ian Gold now? Sheesh.

Do you guys know of ANY linebacker than can take on offensive lineman and win consistently? Not even the great Ray Lewis did well against the Chiefs last year.

If you want to see Ray Lewis get dominated look no further then the Jets game.

wabbit
06-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Back to the 'real' subject matter at hand...

Tatum Bell may have all the tools, but you don't bring in Dayne & draft Clarett becuse you're confident the guy can handle the RB duties for the next five years.

He has special speed, no doubt about that, but durability will remain an issue until he completes a season

Watts just has to lose the rookie jitters & he can be an impact guy. The Broncos worked all off-season on him trying to increase his bulk while maintaining his speed.

From what I hear & read, he's bulked up and still burns the grass...but he's GOT to catch the ball consistenty...the Broncos are really counting on him this year.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Back to the 'real' subject matter at hand...

Tatum Bell may have all the tools, but you don't bring in Dayne & draft Clarett becuse you're confident the guy can handle the RB duties for the next five years.

He has special speed, no doubt about that, but durability will remain an issue until he completes a season

Watts just has to lose the rookie jitters & he can be an impact guy. The Broncos worked all off-season on him trying to increase his bulk while maintaining his speed.

From what I hear & read, he's bulked up and still burns the grass...but he's GOT to catch the ball consistenty...the Broncos are really counting on him this year.

We're going to need real breakout years from both to rise above 9 wins. They better come to play.

wabbit
06-27-2005, 10:28 PM
We're going to need real breakout years from both to rise above 9 wins. They better come to play.

I think Jerry Rice said he sees a younger (much, much younger) self in Watts...loves his ability to separate in coverage.

One thing is for sure; he can't have a better mentor...and, from what I hear, Rice isn't too keen on mentoring anybody.

fontaine
06-28-2005, 01:14 AM
Back to the 'real' subject matter at hand...

Tatum Bell may have all the tools, but you don't bring in Dayne & draft Clarett becuse you're confident the guy can handle the RB duties for the next five years.

He has special speed, no doubt about that, but durability will remain an issue until he completes a season

Watts just has to lose the rookie jitters & he can be an impact guy. The Broncos worked all off-season on him trying to increase his bulk while maintaining his speed.

From what I hear & read, he's bulked up and still burns the grass...but he's GOT to catch the ball consistenty...the Broncos are really counting on him this year.

Watts had a great first half of the season then he kinda hit the wall. The kid has the moves and the burst off the line, all he needs is to get his head down and become more consistent. I think he should benefit greatly from working as the third WR and I would even be inclined to line him up and the 2nd WR at the expense of Lelie with Rice being the #3 WR on the field on certain plays where we need that first down.

But hopefully it wont come to that and Lelie will show us that he can improve as an intermediate route runner.

OrangeShadow
06-28-2005, 04:51 AM
this season cant get here faster ic ant wait to see bell tear it up!!!!!!!!

-Slap-
06-28-2005, 05:22 AM
Portis's deep speed overrated.

Portis's game deep speed even more overrated.

Bell is a true burner.

Speed is overrated. That's why the League is lousy with 220 pound linebackers who don't know how to square up and make a tackle.

fontaine
06-28-2005, 05:40 AM
Speed is overrated. That's why the League is lousy with 220 pound linebackers who don't know how to square up and make a tackle.

Speed is over rated in certain positions. Great burst, explosiveness and speed is critical and needed in positions like WR/CB/DE/PR/KR.

The problem is at positions like LB where you need a guy whose is quicker diagnosing plays and reading the offense than his footspeed. Too many LBs use their physical traits to compensate rather than using their head and speed to make the play.

ozomulsion
06-28-2005, 12:03 PM
Back to the 'real' subject matter at hand...

Tatum Bell may have all the tools, but you don't bring in Dayne & draft Clarett becuse you're confident the guy can handle the RB duties for the next five years.

He has special speed, no doubt about that, but durability will remain an issue until he completes a season


I believe Clarett was drafted to avoid another Portis situation. Also to take the load off of Bell when the situation comes up where we have a big lead, need to keep running the ball effectively but don't need to have our top back out there risking injury for no reason. They have both backs on the cheap for years to come and Tatum will have very little leverage if the situation of outperforming his contract comes up. Dayne will carry the bulk of the load in the preseason and will likely be cut on final cut day unless one of our other backs are injured in the preseason. Portis learned to catch and Tatum will also.

Ballhawk
06-28-2005, 12:18 PM
There is a high probability Derrick Johnson will be that player. Are you forgetting about Surtain, Bell and the ballhawk Knight?

And let's not forget rookie sack sensation Jared Allen! DONK KILLAS!

Im not forgetting anything, what I am remembering is the Redskins bringing in a bunch of FA fixes and that it did not pan out.

Sutain & Knight had a great front 7 in front of them in Miami.
Bell has to prove he can play 16...hell 10 before you can start saying he is an impact over last year.
DJ has great tools, which can be said for just about every top 15 draft pick that has busted.

Do I think KC had a good offseason...ya. Does it mean IT WILL translate into victories...no.

Cito Pelon
06-28-2005, 01:08 PM
As for the original post. I'm not concerned with Rice taking reps or catches away from Watts. I really liked what he was doing on the field last year. Incredibly frustrated a couple times when he dropped some balls, but when he caught the ball between the 20's you could see he has bigtime YAC written all over him! He needs to keep his balance and learn how to focus... after that he'll be good-great.

I was a bit suprised when MA was "given" the #1 at RB recently. I personally think it's Bell's to lose and when it's all said and done it will likely be Bell, MoC, and then MA on the depth chart. Should be fun this preseason watching guys like Ron Dayne and MoC "earning" roster spots on ST's.

Watts really looks like a keeper. He was constantly open last year. Even watching on TV where you seldom see the WR's much, I could see he had separation constantly. And his hands are good. I see criticism of the few drops he had last year, and there were so few and those with bad passes that it's not even important.

MA I think was given the #1 as a courtesy to him, for being an excellent player for the Broncos year in and year out. Bell's still a rookie in a lot of ways. He barely played last year.

The RB battle is going to be very interesting to watch. Same with FB. I wouldn't count Ron Dayne out at all. IMO, Clarett may be on the bubbble already. He could easily be cut, just because they have to because Bell, Dayne, Anderson are all out-performing him in camp. I saw Clarett is at 240-245 right now, and they want him at no more than 235. That's not a good start for Clarett.

Rock Chalk
06-28-2005, 01:17 PM
Back to the 'real' subject matter at hand...

Tatum Bell may have all the tools, but you don't bring in Dayne & draft Clarett becuse you're confident the guy can handle the RB duties for the next five years.

He has special speed, no doubt about that, but durability will remain an issue until he completes a season

Had Portis not wanted more money right then and there he would still be with the Broncos and his durability is far more of an issue than Bell's. One of his injuries was a broken ****ing thumb for God's sake and you cant blame that on durability or anything but bad luck. Durability is not why they brought in Dayne or Clarett. They brought in Dayne because of his style and ability to get tough yards potentially in this offense, to which he still has to make the team. They got clarett because, from my understanding, it was Bobby Turner's choice and, if any of the staff deserve a choice in the draft its Bobby Turner.

Watts just has to lose the rookie jitters & he can be an impact guy. The Broncos worked all off-season on him trying to increase his bulk while maintaining his speed.

Hate to disagree with you here, but I dont think Watts is ever going to be anything more than a #3, possibly #2 receiver for us. Impact hell, I'll just be gratefuly if he can hang on to Touchdown passes at this point.

From what I hear & read, he's bulked up and still burns the grass...but he's GOT to catch the ball consistenty...the Broncos are really counting on him this year.
If we are counting on him to get it done, we are in trouble.

wabbit
06-28-2005, 11:08 PM
Had Portis not wanted more money right then and there he would still be with the Broncos and his durability is far more of an issue than Bell's. One of his injuries was a broken ****ing thumb for God's sake and you cant blame that on durability or anything but bad luck. Durability is not why they brought in Dayne or Clarett. They brought in Dayne because of his style and ability to get tough yards potentially in this offense, to which he still has to make the team. They got clarett because, from my understanding, it was Bobby Turner's choice and, if any of the staff deserve a choice in the draft its Bobby Turner.

Hate to disagree with you here, but I dont think Watts is ever going to be anything more than a #3, possibly #2 receiver for us. Impact hell, I'll just be gratefuly if he can hang on to Touchdown passes at this point.

If we are counting on him to get it done, we are in trouble.

Wow...well, OK.

It was Bobby Turner getting all over Bell for taking himself out of practices...and a game if I remember correctly, for little nicks & ouchies.

I'm looking to see if he's added some bulk. Last year, I could hardly believe how skinny he was...looked like a bobble doll with that extra padded helmet.

But, to his credit, he averaged about 5.5 yards a carry. Question remains; can he haul the ball 25-30 times a game for 16 weeks...that's what Denver expects from it's feature RBs and last year, the well conditioned Droughns ran out of gas about week 11.

Bell seems more fragile than Droughns...but I could be wrong here...just voicing a concern is all.

As for Watts, I've heard great things about his participation in the off-season program...that he's gained weight without losing speed...that he takes 1-200 ball machine reps a day and has worked out with Plummer..essentially the same routine as Lelie last year...and it worked.

I do see an impact player there...but to GET there, he's got to make the pressure catches.

I know the Bronco coaches are counting on him to take a major step up this year, and if he doesn't...there will be problems at WR again.

Sarcastro
06-29-2005, 01:18 AM
Im not forgetting anything, what I am remembering is the Redskins bringing in a bunch of FA fixes and that it did not pan out.

Sutain & Knight had a great front 7 in front of them in Miami.
Bell has to prove he can play 16...hell 10 before you can start saying he is an impact over last year.
DJ has great tools, which can be said for just about every top 15 draft pick that has busted.

Do I think KC had a good offseason...ya. Does it mean IT WILL translate into victories...no.

You aren't really saying much of anything. Everyone knows that the NFL is a fickle bitch. That does not apply to the Chiefs more or less then any other team. Thanks for your valuable insight.

Raider Bill
06-29-2005, 07:03 AM
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One thing is for sure; he can't have a better mentor...and, from what I hear, Rice isn't too keen on mentoring anybody.


That's how he was here.. His practice habbits set a good example, but he wasn't real quick to pass the knowledge along. Tim Brown was more helpful in that regard.

Ballhawk
06-29-2005, 12:31 PM
You aren't really saying much of anything. Everyone knows that the NFL is a fickle b****. That does not apply to the Chiefs more or less then any other team. Thanks for your valuable insight.

I figured with Bob it is best to try to get him to buy in to the obvious first. Can't go too deep or else he may drown.