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Garcia Bronco
06-26-2005, 05:10 PM
Geeze...sorry if this is a re-post.



http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2836



PETA Kills Animals - Up A Creek Without A License?

It's hard to have sympathy for a misanthropic group like People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), especially when its activist employees are caught red-handed killing and dumping 31 dogs and cats in a decidedly unethical fashion. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk conceded during a Friday press conference that "what [Adria Hinkle] did was wrong, with the bodies" and the ensuing scandal is "so shocking it's bound to hurt our work."

We've begun wondering how much worse PETA's situation could get. The answer? Plenty. WAVY-TV10 in Norfolk, Virginia reported last night that Hinkle and Andrew Cook may not even be properly trained and licensed in order to euthanize animals. "We have no records of training PETA employees," a Virginia Department of Agriculture spokesperson told WAVY, "because we were informed that euthanasia was being done by a local veterinarian." Cook and Hinkle have no veterinary degrees.

And now two North Carolina counties have decided to sever their relationships with PETA. Rural reporters are getting an earful from animal-control authorities who insist PETA activists said they would have every animal evaluated by a veterinarian. The Northampton County (NC) sheriff's animal-cruelty investigator told The Virginian-Pilot on Friday: "Some animals have to be euthanized, but the way this crowd did it is sick. "

Northampton County Health Director Sue Gay added: "From what we were told, those [animals] that PETA deemed in good health would be put up for adoption. " Little did she know what we've been saying since last month on our PetaKillsAnimals.com website: PETA's rate of animal adoption is so horribly low that the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it accepted in 2003.

On June 13, just a few days before the arrests, PETA campaign coordinator Joe Hinkle (yes, the husband of accused animal-abuser Adria Hinkle), wrote to PETA's Louisville, KY activist bulletin board: "Anytime a healthy, adoptable animal is brought to us, they are referred to a great local shelter." Hinkle's wife would, just days later, participate in the killing of seven puppies and what Ahoskie, NC veterinarian Dr. Patrick Proctor describes as a perfectly healthy cat and her two newborn kittens. "This cat and two kittens I gave them last week," Proctor told the Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald, "were in good health and were very adoptable, especially the kittens."

The pair's next court appearance is scheduled for July 19 (click here to see the court docket after their arrest last week), and The Virginian-Pilot reports that PETA will be paying for their criminal defense. If convicted, Hinkle and Cook may be just the latest felons to have received a PETA-funded defense (the most famous, of course, being Animal Liberation Front arsonist Rodney Coronado).

In the fracas that followed last week's arrests, PETA continues to step on its own toes. Its usual flurry of press releases include a few from yesterday that seem tailor-made for the brewing scandal. They include "PETA Demands Vigorous Prosecution Of Alleged Animal Killer" and "Hot Weather Can Be Deadly For Dogs."

Foot2balls
06-26-2005, 05:31 PM
http://www.local10.com/news/4620384/detail.html

First thing I thought of was the PETA South Park episode.

"Vote or Die, Motha F!@ka"

Tredici
06-26-2005, 05:35 PM
Too bad everything becomes stupidly political. There are many people advocating the humane treatment of animals and find a way to walk the talk.

Bronco_Beerslug
06-26-2005, 05:56 PM
Too bad everything becomes stupidly political. There are many people advocating the humane treatment of animals and find a way to walk the talk.
Cats and dogs are a huge problem. I think shelters probably have to put down about 9 out 10 animals they get. All three of our animals are from shelters. Talking to employees at one of them about how many animals come through there was depressing to say the least.

Spider
06-26-2005, 06:00 PM
I have always said PETA =
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals .........
Actually nothing is worse then watching an Animal starve to Death .being seeing alot of Wild life around here have a hard time ...... Bullet is so much quicker and humane ....

Candy Cigarettes
06-26-2005, 06:03 PM
"Have your pet spayed or neutered."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/candycigarettes/dt_price_act_hp_bbarker_1.jpg

Atlas
06-26-2005, 06:11 PM
Cats and dogs are a huge problem. I think shelters probably have to put down about 9 out 10 animals they get. All three of our animals are from shelters. Talking to employees at one of them about how many animals come through there was depressing to say the least.

We got one of our two dogs from the shelter. We saved his life.

GreatBronco16
06-26-2005, 06:32 PM
I had a golden lab that I got from a shelter. He had been beaten and starved. I tried my best with him, but he was just too skidish. He would take his food out of his bowl and bury it thinking he had to hide it incase I wouldn't feed him again. I ended up giving him to a family that had the time to really spend with him and hopefully try to break him from what he had grown up with. He was great with the kids though. I miss him sometimes and wonder how he's doing.

sisterhellfyre
06-26-2005, 08:06 PM
Hi, GB16 --

I had a dog like that, who had been abandoned as a puppy. He was left behind in an empty house for close to a week with no food, no water, no heat and little shelter in the middle of winter. His people left him behind when they were evicted, and the property manager found him while doing her rounds. The cold might not have fazed him much, because he was a German shepherd-Chow mix, but the solitude... For the rest of his life, Sam could not stand to be indoors during a winter night. We got him thru the food anxieties, but he would go absolutely berserk if we tried to bring him indoors for the night, no matter the weather. The best we could do was make sure that he had a good doghouse and shelter out in the back yard.

And people call them "dumb animals." They learn just as sure as we do... sometimes better...

Regards,
m.

Cito Pelon
06-26-2005, 10:42 PM
Geeze...sorry if this is a re-post.



http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2836



PETA Kills Animals - Up A Creek Without A License?

It's hard to have sympathy for a misanthropic group like People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), especially when its activist employees are caught red-handed killing and dumping 31 dogs and cats in a decidedly unethical fashion. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk conceded during a Friday press conference that "what [Adria Hinkle] did was wrong, with the bodies" and the ensuing scandal is "so shocking it's bound to hurt our work."

We've begun wondering how much worse PETA's situation could get. The answer? Plenty. WAVY-TV10 in Norfolk, Virginia reported last night that Hinkle and Andrew Cook may not even be properly trained and licensed in order to euthanize animals. "We have no records of training PETA employees," a Virginia Department of Agriculture spokesperson told WAVY, "because we were informed that euthanasia was being done by a local veterinarian." Cook and Hinkle have no veterinary degrees.

And now two North Carolina counties have decided to sever their relationships with PETA. Rural reporters are getting an earful from animal-control authorities who insist PETA activists said they would have every animal evaluated by a veterinarian. The Northampton County (NC) sheriff's animal-cruelty investigator told The Virginian-Pilot on Friday: "Some animals have to be euthanized, but the way this crowd did it is sick. "

Northampton County Health Director Sue Gay added: "From what we were told, those [animals] that PETA deemed in good health would be put up for adoption. " Little did she know what we've been saying since last month on our PetaKillsAnimals.com website: PETA's rate of animal adoption is so horribly low that the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it accepted in 2003.

On June 13, just a few days before the arrests, PETA campaign coordinator Joe Hinkle (yes, the husband of accused animal-abuser Adria Hinkle), wrote to PETA's Louisville, KY activist bulletin board: "Anytime a healthy, adoptable animal is brought to us, they are referred to a great local shelter." Hinkle's wife would, just days later, participate in the killing of seven puppies and what Ahoskie, NC veterinarian Dr. Patrick Proctor describes as a perfectly healthy cat and her two newborn kittens. "This cat and two kittens I gave them last week," Proctor told the Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald, "were in good health and were very adoptable, especially the kittens."

The pair's next court appearance is scheduled for July 19 (click here to see the court docket after their arrest last week), and The Virginian-Pilot reports that PETA will be paying for their criminal defense. If convicted, Hinkle and Cook may be just the latest felons to have received a PETA-funded defense (the most famous, of course, being Animal Liberation Front arsonist Rodney Coronado).

In the fracas that followed last week's arrests, PETA continues to step on its own toes. Its usual flurry of press releases include a few from yesterday that seem tailor-made for the brewing scandal. They include "PETA Demands Vigorous Prosecution Of Alleged Animal Killer" and "Hot Weather Can Be Deadly For Dogs."

What is this crap, Garcia? Were you painting the chimney and fell on your head? Get your head out of your ass for once, ya wino.

Atlas
06-27-2005, 12:31 AM
This thread is most definately biased and mistitled. After all PETA is not being rediculed for KILLING animals like the thread states. They were charged with unethical dumping of dead animals. I think it's really a non story but I can see how some people might be upset.

Mtbrncofn
06-27-2005, 01:14 AM
Cats and dogs are a huge problem. I think shelters probably have to put down about 9 out 10 animals they get. All three of our animals are from shelters. Talking to employees at one of them about how many animals come through there was depressing to say the least.

Going to the animal shelter is depressing. I've only done it once, and I was so upset after I left, I've never gone back. To see all those poor dogs and cats there, with their pathetic eyes made me want to take all of them. Of course, that was impossible. Then I noticed certain animals had bright pink tags on their cages and realized what they meant. That was the definition of depressing right there.

Sir Mawn
06-27-2005, 04:12 AM

Rock Chalk
06-27-2005, 07:59 AM
This thread is most definately biased and mistitled. After all PETA is not being rediculed for KILLING animals like the thread states. They were charged with unethical dumping of dead animals. I think it's really a non story but I can see how some people might be upset.
Euthanasia is still killing. And for people that are riotous and radical in their methods of forcing others into their beliefs, when they turn around and treat the remains of animals unethically, kinda makes you rethink the whole madness that is PETA.

Its not biased at all and it is a story. These people are terrorists about half the time in their methods to get the rest of the world to think like them. So when hypocracy rears its ugly head in their organization, it IS a story.

Ninjafied
06-27-2005, 08:54 AM
Euthanasia is still killing. And for people that are riotous and radical in their methods of forcing others into their beliefs, when they turn around and treat the remains of animals unethically, kinda makes you rethink the whole madness that is PETA.

Its not biased at all and it is a story. These people are terrorists about half the time in their methods to get the rest of the world to think like them. So when hypocracy rears its ugly head in their organization, it IS a story.

Just what I was thinking - extremist hypocrisy at its finest.

Hmmm, I wonder....
It looks like since PETA isn’t going to write death threats to themselves, vandalize their own homes or burn down their own headquarters, will the militants folks over at the Earth Liberation Front have to step it up a notch. :~ohyah!:

Tom H.
06-27-2005, 09:10 AM
I had a golden lab that I got from a shelter. He had been beaten and starved. I tried my best with him, but he was just too skidish. He would take his food out of his bowl and bury it thinking he had to hide it incase I wouldn't feed him again. I ended up giving him to a family that had the time to really spend with him and hopefully try to break him from what he had grown up with. He was great with the kids though. I miss him sometimes and wonder how he's doing.

I have a 8 year old golden that I got from a rescue. Like your story he was skidish probably because he was mistreated. He protects our house and has always treated my daugter with care. On the downside he's expensive and has allergies. Still, he's worth the $$$. I don't blame you for giving your dog away since they are really depressed without people. They don't call them velcro dogs for nothing.

Arkie
06-27-2005, 09:21 AM
PETA thinks that hunting is bad for the animals. Perhaps we should outlaw hunting and let PETA control the population with their euthanization skills.

Mtbrncofn
06-27-2005, 02:56 PM
How bout we just hunt the PETA folks instead? That'd take care of a lot of mess. :)

FADERPROOF
06-27-2005, 03:18 PM
We got one of our two dogs from the shelter. We saved his life.

We got one of our two cats from a shelter, it was 2 months past the time that it was goign to be put down, they kept onto it but we scooped her up just in time.

The other cat we have was picked up in the middle of the road in a busy intersection, he was a few months old, no tags or anything to identify that he has an owner, and was so small and misfed that you could see it ribs(didn't look like he had eaten in weeks.) We brought him in and now he's fat as can be, nearly 16 pounds and just turned 4 years old.

Popps
06-27-2005, 03:52 PM
PETA: good cause, bad methodology.

Sodak
06-27-2005, 08:30 PM
PETA: good cause, bad methodology.

Popps! It takes a PETA thread to get you out of the woodwork?
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Where have you been?



Soup is Good Food...

Garcia Bronco
06-28-2005, 07:15 AM
Well...as a former Norfolk native...I can tell that their Norfolk office will be shut down....bye bye bastards.

Cito Pelon
06-28-2005, 11:51 AM
Going to the animal shelter is depressing. I've only done it once, and I was so upset after I left, I've never gone back. To see all those poor dogs and cats there, with their pathetic eyes made me want to take all of them. Of course, that was impossible. Then I noticed certain animals had bright pink tags on their cages and realized what they meant. That was the definition of depressing right there.

Sure it's hard, but I'd say go a second time if you want a pet. You have to get used to it, just like anything else.

There's gems there at the shelter. We've got 3 dogs from the shelter, all of them gems. I insist on Labs, so it's a good start right there, since they're intelligent, gentle, and obedient. As Dad, you have to set the rules, and insist on final approval.

Look for the friendliest older dog you can see in the cages, then take it for a walk to see if it's aggressive with other dogs. You want an older dog that is house-broken already. You can't save them all, but you can get a gem.

Meck77
06-28-2005, 12:03 PM
PETA thinks that hunting is bad for the animals. Perhaps we should outlaw hunting and let PETA control the population with their euthanization skills.

All of my dogs and cats have come from the pound (4 total). I'm also a hunter. I'm also a firm believer in the eithical treamtment of animals.

Elk numbers are at record levels and the Division of Wildlife is continuing to issue more permits to hunters just to try and control the amount of Elk.. Peta has no clue how difficult it is to harvest and elk and that we hunters are helping their numbers grow. They can stand on the corners and protest while I will continue to enjoy nature while I contribute funds to help preserve Elk via hunting fees/donations.

If we left it up to Peta to control wild game the populations would suffer from disease and starvation. You call that ethical?

Some people have a negative view on hunters. When you hear the horror stories in your local paper it's about a "POACHER" not a HUNTER. Hunters pay fees for the privelage to hunt and we are closely regulated by the Division of Wildlife to help maintain wild game populations. The Poachers are the bastards that shoot whatever they want wherever they want illegally. Big difference.

The division of wildlife keeps very specific data on Elk numbers via guys in the field, surveys of the hunters etc. This is done for every other animal hunted in Colorado. http://wildlife.state.co.us/huntrecap/04harveststatistics/Elk.pdf They have it down to a science and understand the populations and are always perfecting ways to improve. Sorry PETA can protest all they want I will work with the DOW instead.

MT-Tdawg
06-28-2005, 12:27 PM
All of my dogs and cats have come from the pound (4 total). I'm also a hunter. I'm also a firm believer in the eithical treamtment of animals.

Elk numbers are at record levels and the Division of Wildlife is continuing to issue more permits to hunters just to try and control the amount of Elk.. Peta has no clue how difficult it is to harvest and elk and that we hunters are helping their numbers grow. They can stand on the corners and protest while I will continue to enjoy nature while I contribute funds to help preserve Elk via hunting fees/donations.

If we left it up to Peta to control wild game the populations would suffer from disease and starvation. You call that ethical?

Some people have a negative view on hunters. When you hear the horror stories in your local paper it's about a "POACHER" not a HUNTER. Hunters pay fees for the privelage to hunt and we are closely regulated by the Division of Wildlife to help maintain wild game populations. The Poachers are the bastards that shoot whatever they want wherever they want illegally.



Big difference.

Great post Meck. Being from montana (although im not a hunter, I've gone with my friends a couple times) im used to the whole hunting/poaching debate. As long as you have a tag that you've paid for whats the freakin problem?? Although there were a couple farmers that would give us $25 for every coyote we killed on their land but that's different.

As for pets, both my cats were "adopted." Our big kitty was left by her owner when the owner moved out of town. She just kicked her outside and moved. Stupid people. She is the best cat i've ever owned, im pretty sure she's 1/2 dog, no cat is this loyal. Then there is that bastard siamese male we got from our friends who were goin to take him to the shelter (there 2 siamese had kittens). He's a cute lil bastard but really loves to put a jihad on my hand sometimes.....

Meck77
06-28-2005, 12:35 PM
Great post Meck. Being from montana (although im not a hunter, I've gone with my friends a couple times) im used to the whole hunting/poaching debate. As long as you have a tag that you've paid for whats the freakin problem?? Although there were a couple farmers that would give us $25 for every coyote we killed on their land but that's different.

As for pets, both my cats were "adopted." Our big kitty was left by her owner when the owner moved out of town and left her. Stupid people. She is the best cat i've ever owned, im pretty sure she's 1/2 dog, no cat is this loyal. Then there is that bastard siamese male we got from our friends who were goin to take him to the shelter (there 2 siamese had kittens). He's a cute lil bastard but really loves to put a jihad on my hand sometimes.....


Well farmers have the right to protect their land and Coyotes fall into a category of small game here in Colorado. They can legally shoot them and so can a hunter who has permission to hunt the land.. A farmer paying someone to kill doesn't sound legal to me or atleast "Legal" thru the eyes of the DOW.

Infact I was hunting geese on my own land once and the DOW was giving me the 3rd degree to make sure things were on the up an up. They grilled me with questions. I didn't mind as I knew they were just doing their job. You would be surprised how many people they have watching what is going on during hunting season. They will post guys up on high ridges all over the place and you never know when they are watching. Infact they are always watching. There are so many rules that it's easy to break them without evening knowing.

Cito Pelon
06-28-2005, 12:38 PM
All of my dogs and cats have come from the pound (4 total). I'm also a hunter. I'm also a firm believer in the eithical treamtment of animals.

Elk numbers are at record levels and the Division of Wildlife is continuing to issue more permits to hunters just to try and control the amount of Elk.. Peta has no clue how difficult it is to harvest and elk and that we hunters are helping their numbers grow. They can stand on the corners and protest while I will continue to enjoy nature while I contribute funds to help preserve Elk via hunting fees/donations.

If we left it up to Peta to control wild game the populations would suffer from disease and starvation. You call that ethical?

Some people have a negative view on hunters. When you hear the horror stories in your local paper it's about a "POACHER" not a HUNTER. Hunters pay fees for the privelage to hunt and we are closely regulated by the Division of Wildlife to help maintain wild game populations. The Poachers are the bastards that shoot whatever they want wherever they want illegally. Big difference.

The division of wildlife keeps very specific data on Elk numbers via guys in the field, surveys of the hunters etc. This is done for every other animal hunted in Colorado. http://wildlife.state.co.us/huntrecap/04harveststatistics/Elk.pdf They have it down to a science and understand the populations and are always perfecting ways to improve. Sorry PETA can protest all they want I will work with the DOW instead.

I'm a hunter too. You're right poachers are an ugly problem. So are trophy hunters, the guys that weaken the herds by taking out the biggest, healthiest male there is. There's also the problem of trash hunters, the guys that try to take an impossibly long shot, wound the animal and don't pursue it.

There's also the fat-mouthed hunters, that can't help but threaten and ridicule anybody that asks legitimate questions about hunting practices. They're the worst black-eye on hunting. They run their fat mouths everywhere - at work, at the bar, talking big just because they're "hunters". They're the worst of all, because they alienate everybody that listens to their ignorant garbage.

Billy Clyde Puckett
06-28-2005, 01:51 PM
All of my dogs and cats have come from the pound (4 total). I'm also a hunter. I'm also a firm believer in the eithical treamtment of animals.

Elk numbers are at record levels and the Division of Wildlife is continuing to issue more permits to hunters just to try and control the amount of Elk.. Peta has no clue how difficult it is to harvest and elk and that we hunters are helping their numbers grow. They can stand on the corners and protest while I will continue to enjoy nature while I contribute funds to help preserve Elk via hunting fees/donations.

If we left it up to Peta to control wild game the populations would suffer from disease and starvation. You call that ethical?

Some people have a negative view on hunters. When you hear the horror stories in your local paper it's about a "POACHER" not a HUNTER. Hunters pay fees for the privelage to hunt and we are closely regulated by the Division of Wildlife to help maintain wild game populations. The Poachers are the bastards that shoot whatever they want wherever they want illegally. Big difference.

The division of wildlife keeps very specific data on Elk numbers via guys in the field, surveys of the hunters etc. This is done for every other animal hunted in Colorado. http://wildlife.state.co.us/huntrecap/04harveststatistics/Elk.pdf They have it down to a science and understand the populations and are always perfecting ways to improve. Sorry PETA can protest all they want I will work with the DOW instead.

Even my animal fanatic girls, understand the issue of the elk overpopulation we have in Colorado. The state population is now supposed to be almost 4 times what it was in the 1880's before there was significant hunting pressure. What I saw last fall was that DOW expected over 50,000 to starve if we had a hard winter. I know near our place, we had two dead ones withing 500 yards of the house over the winter and the herds stayed in the valley almost a month later than normal this year.

Garcia Bronco
06-29-2005, 06:35 AM
bump

football idiot
07-08-2005, 01:46 PM
more like People for Eco-Terrorism in America.

crazy bastards. the human society isn't good enough, let's elevate the importance of domesticated animals and livestock over the importance of human lives. these people have issues.