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fontaine
06-23-2005, 04:39 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092239

Market dried up once June rolls aroundBy John Clayton
ESPN.com

Left tackle Ross Verba spent 16 weeks on a bad Cleveland Browns offensive line last season performing miracles. On a team that allowed 41 sacks, Verba was credited with only giving up 4½. That's very good.

Well, Verba whiffed in his first stance of 2005. Supposedly angered that new Browns management wouldn't honor a Butch Davis promise to restore pay from a reduction he took after he missed the 2003 season because of a biceps injury, Verba demanded to be cut. Verba paid back a $465,000 roster bonus and said goodbye to $3.125 million in base salary and workout bonuses. Unfortunately for him, the timing was wrong.

Players released in June are at a disadvantage. Based on this year's transactions, free agents are generally commanding between the NFL minimum (ranging from $455,000-$765,000 depending on tenure in league) and $1.5 million. Though arguably the best player still available in free agency, Verba is struggling to get more than a one-year contract offer. The Bills desperately need someone of Verba's skill level at left tackle, but they don't have the cap room to even consider him. The Texans are the most interested but are only talking in terms of one year.

Considered by most to be a top-10 left tackle in his prime at the age of 31, Verba didn't help matters by saying he wanted a five-year contract worth in the neighborhood of $37.5 million. Here's the problem: The 49 players signed off the street by NFL teams in the past two months barely total $37.5 million if they pool their new 2005 salaries.

When will players learn? March is the best time for player leverage in trying to push the envelope for higher salaries. May and June are the dead zone for players, and the résumé of the player doesn't matter. Even the value of the position is irrelevant.

Defensive end Peter Boulware still has 10-sack potential if the right team signs him. However, he turned down $2 million in salary and $2 million in incentives to stay with the Ravens. In this post-May market, Boulware is struggling to get an offer in excess of $1 million. Cornerback Ty Law is coming back from foot surgery and is just now starting to incorporate cutting into his workouts. The former Patriot can't generate more than minimum salary offers at this point.

Again, market value is sometimes a matter of timing. Halfbacks Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James were available in trades for less than a first-round choice prior to the draft. However, no one would make an offer. The problem: The Dolphins, Bucs and Bears had top-10 draft choices earmarked for halfbacks and Cardinals coach Dennis Green had his eye on taking J.J. Arrington in the second round since the scouting combine in February. Thus, Alexander and James had no trade value.

The quality of the player doesn't matter in the May-June market. And the later the player is released, the less value he has. A total of 49 veterans have been signed by NFL teams in May and June. Only 11 received more than $25,000 above the minimum, and no one got rich.

Updated: June 22, 2005, 5:59 PM ET


Market dried up once June rolls around (Cont.)


Topping the list were Browns left tackle L.J. Shelton ($1.537 million), Lions cornerback R.W. McQuarters ($1.51 million), Ravens cornerback Deion Sanders ($1.5 million), Patriots linebacker Chad Brown ($1.25 million), Dolphins defensive tackle Keith Traylor ($1.005 million), Cowboys halfback Anthony Thomas ($1 million), Colts cornerback Nick Harper ($1 million), Jaguars linebacker Nate Wayne ($960,000), Texans tackle Victor Riley ($815,000) and Saints wide receiver Az-Zahir Hakim ($715,000). Johnnie Morton's new deal with the 49ers isn't included because it's not known. This list includes only players who received in excess of $25,000 above the minimum.

How bad has it been? Of the other 38 players who signed one-year deals with minimum salary bases, 26 didn't even get a signing bonus. That includes such names as Chiefs wide receiver Freddie Mitchell, Patriots safety Antuan Edwards, Dolphins receiver David Boston and Bucs receiver Ike Hilliard, all former No. 1 picks.

A month ago, Hakim fired his agent because he felt he would do better in the June market than the May market, when seven teams were pursuing him. By waiting until June, he was left with two options – take a minimum salary, incentive-laden deal with the Chiefs or get $50,000 above the $665,000 minimum to go to the Saints. Once Hakim's Chiefs contract was ruled invalid by the league, Hakim bolted to the Saints.

None of this should come as a surprise. Since the installment of the salary cap in 1993, rarely have released players signed lucrative deals after the draft. And because teams have more cap room, many do a better job of re-signing their best players. Because of that, fewer quality players hit the free agent market in March. With fewer quality players available, the bulk of the free agency money is spent in the first two weeks of March. By the time the draft arrives, the big spending teams have filled their needs.

That pattern has been well-established the past several years. But in a league of more than 2,000 players, veterans rely more on their ego than reality and think they can beat the NFL clock and come up with a great deal. Some day they will learn.

Good players and big names are still available, but the story hasn't changed in years. Eddie George got lucky last year receiving a $2.2 million deal from the Cowboys. Unfortunately, the situation in Dallas didn't work out and he would have been better served to stay in Tennessee, where his playing time would have been better and the team would have taken care of him with incentives.

It's no secret why the good teams thrive this time of year. The Patriots do their best work after the draft and do it on the cheap. Since the draft, they've signed Brown, Edwards, Doug Flutie, Victor Leyva and Chad Morton. The post-draft market comes at bargain basement prices, and the Patriots, already loaded with their core group, work relentlessly to add depth at this time.

It's no wonder more and more agents push for players to have March 1 roster bonuses to force teams to make up their minds quicker on the future of their clients. In March, teams are willing to spend. The market is ripe. By spring and summer, the green is gone. Keep that in mind for next year.


John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

fontaine
06-23-2005, 04:44 AM
I really hope this team wakes up and actually starts signing some of the decent FA that are/will be available.

For example I'd sign Lance Schulters where he can immediately start at FS and put Lynch at his natural SS. If it means cutting players like Raylee Johnson, Ron Dayne, Shoate etc who have no hope of making the roster why not?

Also, when Rod Gardener springs loose bring him in. Hell trade for him. I'd happily give up a 6th/7th round pick for Gardener knowing the kind of a$$raping we gave to the skins last year for Portis and this year for our 1st. If they feel WR is enough of a need position to sign a geriatric like Jerry Rice then why not Gardener who's never had a decent QB to work with.

We can sign malcontents, injury cases and busts but why not productive players who'll be cheap?

Ninjafied
06-23-2005, 04:59 AM
We can sign malcontents, injury cases and busts but why not productive players who'll be cheap?
I'm all for it but I've also heard we're running up pretty hard on the salary cap. Not sure that even cutting a few of the lesser players will get us much more. (do anyone have an actual answer to that though?)
For better or worse I think we've had our turn in the market - it just came a bit earlier this year. Looks like its now time to sit back and wait for the season to roll around.

I'm pretty happy with how things turned out. Not sure we really needed Gold, but I'm hoping that's just part of a master plan. Otherwise I think the key needs were fairly well addressed.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 05:05 AM
Personally I would rather have the Broncs sign Ty Law to a one year deal. I think if Denver could get Law cheap it would shore up Denver's shakey secondary. Law could start opposite Bailey or maybe if he is late healing he could be the nickleback. He would be a great pickup for Denver.

Ninjafied
06-23-2005, 05:19 AM
If we can do it, I'm all for bolstering the secondary.
We definitely don’t want a repeat of last year, with a rookie like Roc going into the playoffs.
I’m also of the frame of mind that you can never have enough D-linemen. Pass rush + secondary = problem solved

fontaine
06-23-2005, 05:26 AM
Personally I would rather have the Broncs sign Ty Law to a one year deal. I think if Denver could get Law cheap it would shore up Denver's shakey secondary. Law could start opposite Bailey or maybe if he is late healing he could be the nickleback. He would be a great pickup for Denver.

Yeah he would but he only recently starting cutting after his foot injury. The Jags seem interested in him so I guess we'll see.

I just think Denver is willing to bring in 4 questionable DL full of injuries and Warren with his character questions. They justified it as saying they were cheap with high reward at a need position.

Schulters/Gardener fit the bill on this. I'm have huge doubts whether a safety tandem of Lynch/Ferguson would be suitable at all.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 05:29 AM
Yeah he would but he only recently starting cutting after his foot injury. The Jags seem interested in him so I guess we'll see.

I just think Denver is willing to bring in 4 questionable DL full of injuries and Warren with his character questions. They justified it as saying they were cheap with high reward at a need position.

Schulters/Gardener fit the bill on this. I'm have huge doubts whether a safety tandem of Lynch/Ferguson would be suitable at all.

I would be ok with Schulters only if Denver cuts Lynch. Schulters could have Lynch's money and him and Fergussen would make a good tandem.

Billy Clyde Puckett
06-23-2005, 06:38 AM
I would be ok with Schulters only if Denver cuts Lynch. Schulters could have Lynch's money and him and Fergussen would make a good tandem.

Schulters is as good as signed by Miami

bloodsunday
06-23-2005, 07:22 AM
Personally I would rather have the Broncs sign Ty Law to a one year deal. I think if Denver could get Law cheap it would shore up Denver's shakey secondary. Law could start opposite Bailey or maybe if he is late healing he could be the nickleback. He would be a great pickup for Denver.
This is a question of health (Law's) and money. Law would be in someone's camp right now if he had a realistic view of his worth right now.

I'd also contend that Denver's FO is content with our secondary, or why not bring back a STARTER from last year's team in Herndon for 1.6 million? If your worried about your secondary, that move seems like a no-brainer to me.

bloodsunday
06-23-2005, 07:24 AM
Also, when Rod Gardener springs loose bring him in. Hell trade for him. I'd happily give up a 6th/7th round pick for Gardener
As would I, but where does he fit in? We are pretty deep at WR, especially 1 - 4 now that we acquired Rice. Gardner would almost have to supplant Watts and I don't think Denver is willing to impeed his growth at this stage. I get the sense that they believe Watts will be a special player and want him on the field now.

epicSocialism4tw
06-23-2005, 07:28 AM
Anyone else see a prototypical dominant old-school Bronco OT in Verba? That guy could be a legend here in our system like Jones, Schlereth, and Zimmerman were.

We could move Lepsis back to guard and play he and Foster on both sides.

fontaine
06-23-2005, 07:31 AM
As would I, but where does he fit in? We are pretty deep at WR, especially 1 - 4 now that we acquired Rice. Gardner would almost have to supplant Watts and I don't think Denver is willing to impeed his growth at this stage. I get the sense that they believe Watts will be a special player and want him on the field now.

Yeah, Watts can stay on the field for as long as he wants. I want Gardener over Rice (that's what it comes down to) so that eventually in one or two seasons when Rod is gone and Lelie hires Rosehaus when his contract is almost up, then we can have options like Watts/Gardener.

Besides I strongly disagree with the notion of Lelie being called a WR in a red zone set or on a 2nd/3rd and short play. Ashley Lelie doesn't deserve to be on the field given his pathetic blocking, average route running and poor play in short to intermediate routes. He's a waste on the field on those type of plays. I'd much rather prefer a WR set of Rod/Gardener/Rice on those short/intermediate passes or red zone where a WR can, you know run an actual crossing pattern instead of the botch job by Lelie. On those plays he can go sit on the bench.

fontaine
06-23-2005, 07:33 AM
I'd also contend that Denver's FO is content with our secondary, or why not bring back a STARTER from last year's team in Herndon for 1.6 million? If your worried about your secondary, that move seems like a no-brainer to me.

If Denver's FO was content with our secondary then they wouldn't have drafted three CBs a year removed from drafting two last year.

Given our checkered history with our DBs, the LAST thing the FO can be is content when it comes to our secondary.

Billy Clyde Puckett
06-23-2005, 07:38 AM
Anyone else see a prototypical dominant old-school Bronco OT in Verba? That guy could be a legend here in our system like Jones, Schlereth, and Zimmerman were.

We could move Lepsis back to guard and play he and Foster on both sides.

Lepsis has never played guard and Verba is over the hill.

epicSocialism4tw
06-23-2005, 08:00 AM
Lepsis has never played guard and Verba is over the hill.


Jones, Schlereth, and Zimmerman were also over the hill.

Beantown Bronco
06-23-2005, 08:17 AM
Lepsis is the least of our problems right now. The guy was in the first year of playing arguably the toughest position on the field and he played probably better than 80-90% of his peers. His name was never heard from during the game, and for an Olineman, that's called getting it done.

fontaine
06-23-2005, 08:20 AM
Lepsis is the least of our problems right now. The guy was in the first year of playing arguably the toughest position on the field and he played probably better than 80-90% of his peers. His name was never heard from during the game, and for an Olineman, that's called getting it done.

Rep. We need more power from the interior.

Billy Clyde Puckett
06-23-2005, 08:55 AM
Jones, Schlereth, and Zimmerman were also over the hill.

Signing Jones was an act of desperation. He could not hold Lepsis' jock strap. Zimmerman was in his prime when he came to Denver and could have played three or four more years if he wanted to play when he was over the hill. Schlereth was damaged goods again signed out of desperation that managed to come in and play a respectable game for a couple of years.

Lepsis is not a superstar, but he is very solid.

epicSocialism4tw
06-23-2005, 09:22 AM
Signing Jones was an act of desperation. He could not hold Lepsis' jock strap. Zimmerman was in his prime when he came to Denver and could have played three or four more years if he wanted to play when he was over the hill. Schlereth was damaged goods again signed out of desperation that managed to come in and play a respectable game for a couple of years.

Lepsis is not a superstar, but he is very solid.

The Verba thing was just an idea. I saw his profile and saw 'perfect Bronco lineman.' Mean, fast, strong, dominating. I like Lepsis and I like Foster's potential even more.

broncosteven
06-23-2005, 11:21 AM
I would love to see Law come in for right $ but not sure he won't be a cancer. I think defensive need now is a guy who can cover from FS or SS position. I like Furgie but I am not sure he is any more than solid 2nd string material, if he was a top saftey he would have started last year. I hope I am wrong. I see more teams attacking "Stumbles in Coverage" (Champs Indian name) & our Safties deep just like Oakland, Cincy, Tampa, Atlanta did. We will be solid against the run though.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 11:44 AM
This is a question of health (Law's) and money. Law would be in someone's camp right now if he had a realistic view of his worth right now.

I'd also contend that Denver's FO is content with our secondary, or why not bring back a STARTER from last year's team in Herndon for 1.6 million? If your worried about your secondary, that move seems like a no-brainer to me.

Paying Herndan $15 mil for 5 years is too much. What I was saying if Law cannot get fair market value for his services this year so it would be in his interest to sign a 1 year deal to showcase himself for next year. That would be a great senario for Denver. I mean let's face it what does Denver have in the secondary??? They have Walls, Bailey and an injured Middlebrooks that some speculate that he might get cut. After that you have dissappointments and rookies. The Colts will eat this secondary for lunch. Pass rush or no pass rush. Law would be the perfect one year player. At worst he would be one of the best nicklebacks in the league. AT best... well Denver would have the best CB tandem in the game.

I say take the gamble on him if no other team offers him a long term contract.

Crushaholic
06-23-2005, 02:19 PM
There's some good names out there. If they aren't willing to work with the salary cap to get on a team, that's their loss. This isn't Major League Baseball where teams can sign whoever they want and pay the players whatever they want.

yavoon
06-23-2005, 02:32 PM
I agree this is excellent time for depth. bringing in reliable veteran second stringers who could be w/ u for the next 3-4 years(eternity in football terms)

Sodak
06-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Thanks for the post fontaine...

SoCalBronco
06-23-2005, 04:37 PM
Ellis Johnson is still out there, but apparently wont come off those salary demands.

BroncoInferno
06-23-2005, 04:37 PM
I really hope this team wakes up and actually starts signing some of the decent FA that are/will be available.

For example I'd sign Lance Schulters where he can immediately start at FS and put Lynch at his natural SS. If it means cutting players like Raylee Johnson, Ron Dayne, Shoate etc who have no hope of making the roster why not?

Also, when Rod Gardener springs loose bring him in. Hell trade for him. I'd happily give up a 6th/7th round pick for Gardener knowing the kind of a$$raping we gave to the skins last year for Portis and this year for our 1st. If they feel WR is enough of a need position to sign a geriatric like Jerry Rice then why not Gardener who's never had a decent QB to work with.

We can sign malcontents, injury cases and busts but why not productive players who'll be cheap?

I think you are being a bit unrealistic here. We are tight against the cap. It's been reported than Schulters asking price is up there (relative to what we have to spend). And Gardner is going to sign with someone who'll at least give him a chance to start, something he wouldn't get here. Hell, there's a good chance he wouldn't even be the 3rd WR if Watts breaks out like I think he will.

Cito Pelon
06-23-2005, 04:38 PM
I really hope this team wakes up and actually starts signing some of the decent FA that are/will be available.

For example I'd sign Lance Schulters where he can immediately start at FS and put Lynch at his natural SS.

That sounds pretty good to me.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Ellis Johnson is still out there, but apparently wont come off those salary demands.

Is there room for Johnson?? Fatefehi and Or Davis would have to go.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 04:42 PM
I think you are being a bit unrealistic here. We are tight against the cap. It's been reported than Schulters asking price is up there (relative to what we have to spend). And Gardner is going to sign with someone who'll at least give him a chance to start, something he wouldn't get here. Hell, there's a good chance he wouldn't even be the 3rd WR if Watts breaks out like I think he will.

If Denver cut Lynch they would have cap room to sign him. They could also cut Brandon or Young. I would rather sign Law to a one year deal like I have already said.

BroncoInferno
06-23-2005, 04:45 PM
If Denver cut Lynch they would have cap room to sign him. They could also cut Brandon or Young. I would rather sign Law to a one year deal like I have already said.

Schulters is on the downside of his career, just as is Lynch. I don't think that would amount to much more than a lateral movement. Plus, it's been intimated that Schulters asking price is relative to what his value was during his prime years. In other words, simply cutting Lynch might not be enough anyway.

SoCalBronco
06-23-2005, 04:47 PM
Is there room for Johnson?? Fatefehi and Or Davis would have to go.

I dont know how much money we have laying around, probably close to nothing cap wise.

Atlas
06-23-2005, 04:50 PM
Schulters is on the dwonside of his career, just as is Lynch. I don't think that would amount to much more than a lateral movement. Plus, it's been intimated that Schulters asking price is relative to what his value was during his prime years. In other words, simply cutting Lynch might not be enough anyway.

The point of the article that was posted was that none of the june cuts will get much more than minimum. I believe that to be true for most. If I was Schulters I would also find the best one year contract I could and play for next year. Of course next year he is going to be 32. Atwater was washed up at 32 so he is in a bad spot. He should have just stayed at with the Titans. What kind of agent does he have?? That guy should be fired. He isn't going to make the money in FA he would have if he just would have accepted the Titans pay cut.

BroncoInferno
06-23-2005, 04:50 PM
I'm not saying we shouldn't put out feelers for these sorts of guys. In fact, I'd be surprised if we weren't. Most likely, either the asking price is too high (in the case of Schulters) or the lack of any guarenteed role puts them off (this would probably be a breaking point in any discussions with Gardner).

Mr. Trout
06-23-2005, 04:59 PM
[QUOTE=Atlas]Personally I would rather have the Broncs sign Ty Law to a one year deal. I think if Denver could get Law cheap it would shore up Denver's shakey secondary. Law could start opposite Bailey or maybe if he is late healing he could be the nickleback. He would be a great pickup for Denver.[/QUOTE

interesting...if he can play yes. But i think he is not even close to healed and is asking for a lot of dough

Atlas
06-23-2005, 05:00 PM
[QUOTE=Atlas]Personally I would rather have the Broncs sign Ty Law to a one year deal. I think if Denver could get Law cheap it would shore up Denver's shakey secondary. Law could start opposite Bailey or maybe if he is late healing he could be the nickleback. He would be a great pickup for Denver.[/QUOTE

interesting...if he can play yes. But i think he is not even close to healed and is asking for a lot of dough

Like it has been reported he ain't getin' alot of dough and he'll have to sign with someone. Why not Denver???

Mr. Trout
06-23-2005, 05:02 PM
I really hope this team wakes up and actually starts signing some of the decent FA that are/will be available.

For example I'd sign Lance Schulters where he can immediately start at FS and put Lynch at his natural SS. If it means cutting players like Raylee Johnson, Ron Dayne, Shoate etc who have no hope of making the roster why not?

Also, when Rod Gardener springs loose bring him in. Hell trade for him. I'd happily give up a 6th/7th round pick for Gardener knowing the kind of a$$raping we gave to the skins last year for Portis and this year for our 1st. If they feel WR is enough of a need position to sign a geriatric like Jerry Rice then why not Gardener who's never had a decent QB to work with.

We can sign malcontents, injury cases and busts but why not productive players who'll be cheap?


Agree with you man. I don't know why Denver wants to play players out of position. Like putting DJ at SLB when he was doing perfectly fine at WLB. Lynch needs to be at SS. Schulters could play FS. Gardner is a very good receiver IMO. He has good size and was playing really good and scoring some TDs when the Skins finally started playing Ramsey. Lelie, Gardner, and Watts would look real good when Rod is done.