Champ and Al are "Top 50" NFL players for 2005!

[Arkie]

12. Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos: It's chic to rip on Bailey when seeing him get beat for a touchdown. Well, he's in man coverage a lot more than most corners. He's going to get beat. I'd still take him over any other corner in the game.

45. Al Wilson, LB, Broncos: Wilson is a tenacious force in the middle of the Denver defense. If he had bigger people in front of him, he'd be even better.

Top 50 players: Can't deny titled Brady anymore (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8545074/1)

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. LaDainian Tomlinson
4. Randy Moss
5. Ray Lewis
6. Marvin Harrison
7. Ed Reed
8. Terrell Owens
9. Daunte Culpepper
10.Donovan McNabb
11.Clinton Portis
12.Champ Bailey
13.Walter Jones
14.Richard Seymour
15.Michael Vick
16.Chris McAlister
17.Tony Gonzalez
18.Marcus Stroud
19.Jamal Lewis
20.Priest Holmes
21.Chad Johnson
22.Dwight Freeney
23.Julius Peppers
24.Torry Holt
25.Johnathan Ogden
26.Ahman Green
27.Antonio Gates
28.Kris Jenkins
29.Derrick Brooks
30.Shaun Rogers
31.Brian Dawkins
32.Brett Favre
33.Jeremy Shockey
34.Kevin Williams
35.Todd Heap
36.Orlando Pace
37.Steve McNair
38.Andre Johnson
39.Willie Roaf
40.Simeon Rice
41.Jason Taylor
42.John Henderson
43.Samari Rolle
44.Patrick Surtain
45.Al Wilson
46. Deuce McAllister
47.Brian Urlacher
48.Hines Ward
49.Takeo Spikes
50.Charles Woodson

[TheReverend]

Awesome post, thanks for the find. Rep.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

4 Chiefs! And Will Shields got shafted!

Hey! Where's Sammy Knight? ;D

[TheReverend]

PS. wheres my man Middlebrooks

[watermock]

I see about 25 players we could of drafted. Oh, the 20/20 hindsight is kicking in.

One player I wanted so bad I was kicking and screaming was Shaun Rodgers. We got fatass now, so we are looking better, but I can't remember who it was, we had traded up in the draft a few spots and I said to myself...We are getting Rodgers...can't remember if it was Middlebrooks or Deltha, but I was literally astounded.

To say we haven't had some headscratching early picks would be an understatement.

One player that I think will finally break out for us will be Lelie this year...I read somewhere he's working on more intermdiate routes. I got so tired of him endlessly running fly patterns. Yes, it clears the field for Rod and Putz, but Lelie needs to become more of complete player. I blame the playcalling for some of it as well. It seemed like too many times we chucked the ball up deep to Lelie only to wind up with a second and 10.

I see they are still praising Ray Ray the Slasher like it's 2000. Al Wilson isn't that far behind him IMO. Lewis had alot of protection in front of him in his hayday, and he's certainly not worth the Bling Bling he's crying for.

[PatsWin2002]

I see they are still praising Ray Ray the Slasher like it's 2000.

I was thinking the same thing, Mock.

I think his teammate Ed Reed should be ahead of him.

[watermock]

I can't believe Ray Ray is #4 and Wilson and Urlacher are in the 40's.

[FADERPROOF]

Clinton Portis at #11 and the 2nd highest RB up there next to LaDainian Tomlinson.

Portis can get his due, but 11th best in the league and 2nd best RB in the league? They couldn't find a better RB at #11 than someone with a 3.8 YPC and 2 TD's last year?

[TheReverend]

Okay so that puts champ as the #1 corner and big al the #3 linebacker (#2 MLB) on this list. There wasnt much i could argue with... except tom brady even being on the list.

[Phantom]

"12. Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos: It's chic to rip on Bailey when seeing him get beat for a touchdown. Well, he's in man coverage a lot more than most corners. He's going to get beat. I'd still take him over any other corner in the game."

Well said of Champ: This list appears a year dated.

Ray Lewis, Shockey, Pace, Portis are too high ...
Gates and Hines Ward are too low ...

Hey Bob, your boy Sutain is ranked 44 and that's playing behind a GOOD defense.

[watermock]

Where's the love for Ian Gold?

You have to give Portis some slack because that offense is dated back to John Riggins, but #11 is too high. Hell, Droughns had almost as many yards, and he was backing up Bell and Q.

[elsid13]

Jeremy Shockey Better then Todd Heap??? Come on Shocky had one play in Preseason game done be Madden and now is one of the 50 top players in the league.....

[watermock]

I have an odd feeling the Putz might break out this year as well. Rod will probably decline a bit, but we expect that, he just hasn't cooperated.

I'm still not sold on Watts till I see him perform at a level higher than Division 2.

[dbroncos31]

wher's Deej?? or Ash?? well, screw it, they'll be there next year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I can't believe Ray Ray is #4 and Wilson and Urlacher are in the 40's.

PFW had Champ at right around the same spot and AW in the mid-20's in their Top 50

[16-JakE-16]

Here's another list, with Al and Champ in the top 50 :thumbsup: It's from PFW.
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List compiled by NFL scouts, personnel, directors, and general managers

1. Peyton Manning
2. LadainianTomlinson
3. Randy Moss
4. Tom Brady
5. Donovan Mcnabb
6. Ray Lewis
7. Brett Favre
8. Marvin Harrison
9. Jason Taylor
10. Danute Cullpepper
11. Terrell Owens
12. Clinton Portis
13. Dwight Freeney
14. Jonathan Odgen
15. Jamal Lewis
16. Richard Seymour
17. Priest Holmes
18. Brian Urlacher
19. Orlando Pace
20. Walter Jones
21. Chris McAllister
22. Champ Bailey
23. Tony Gonzalez
24. Ahman Green
25. Ed Reed
26. Kris Jenkins
27. Michael Vick
28. Chad Johnson
29. Curtis Martin
30. Torry Holt
31. Derrick Brooks
32. Al Wilson
33. Willie Roaf
34. Shaun Rogers
35. Simeon Rice
36. Julius Peppers
37. Takeo Spikes
38. Will Shields
39. Corey Dillon
40. Jevon Kearse
41. Edgerrin James
42. Keith Bullock
43. Zach Thomas
44. Antoine Winfield
45. Brian Dawkins
46. LaVar Arrington
47. Kevin Mawae
48. Patrick Surtain
49. Adam Vinatieri
50. Hines Ward

[TheReverend]

Here's another list, with Al and Champ in the top 50 :thumbsup: It's from PFW.
__________________________________________________

List compiled by NFL scouts, personnel, directors, and general managers

1. Peyton Manning
2. LadainianTomlinson
3. Randy Moss
4. Tom Brady
5. Donovan Mcnabb
6. Ray Lewis
7. Brett Favre
8. Marvin Harrison
9. Jason Taylor
10. Danute Cullpepper
11. Terrell Owens
12. Clinton Portis
13. Dwight Freeney
14. Jonathan Odgen
15. Jamal Lewis
16. Richard Seymour
17. Priest Holmes
18. Brian Urlacher
19. Orlando Pace
20. Walter Jones
21. Chris McAllister
22. Champ Bailey
23. Tony Gonzalez
24. Ahman Green
25. Ed Reed
26. Kris Jenkins
27. Michael Vick
28. Chad Johnson
29. Curtis Martin
30. Torry Holt
31. Derrick Brooks
32. Al Wilson
33. Willie Roaf
34. Shaun Rogers
35. Simeon Rice
36. Julius Peppers
37. Takeo Spikes
38. Will Shields
39. Corey Dillon
40. Jevon Kearse
41. Edgerrin James
42. Keith Bullock
43. Zach Thomas
44. Antoine Winfield
45. Brian Dawkins
46. LaVar Arrington
47. Kevin Mawae
48. Patrick Surtain
49. Adam Vinatieri
50. Hines Ward

Pretty much the same players just shuffled around. Its almost like a mock draft... no originality.

[FADERPROOF]

Here's another list, with Al and Champ in the top 50 :thumbsup: It's from PFW.
__________________________________________________

List compiled by NFL scouts, personnel, directors, and general managers

1. Peyton Manning
2. LadainianTomlinson
3. Randy Moss
4. Tom Brady
5. Donovan Mcnabb
6. Ray Lewis
7. Brett Favre
8. Marvin Harrison
9. Jason Taylor
10. Danute Cullpepper
11. Terrell Owens
12. Clinton Portis
13. Dwight Freeney
14. Jonathan Odgen
15. Jamal Lewis
16. Richard Seymour
17. Priest Holmes
18. Brian Urlacher
19. Orlando Pace
20. Walter Jones
21. Chris McAllister
22. Champ Bailey
23. Tony Gonzalez
24. Ahman Green
25. Ed Reed
26. Kris Jenkins
27. Michael Vick
28. Chad Johnson
29. Curtis Martin
30. Torry Holt
31. Derrick Brooks
32. Al Wilson
33. Willie Roaf
34. Shaun Rogers
35. Simeon Rice
36. Julius Peppers
37. Takeo Spikes
38. Will Shields
39. Corey Dillon
40. Jevon Kearse
41. Edgerrin James
42. Keith Bullock
43. Zach Thomas
44. Antoine Winfield
45. Brian Dawkins
46. LaVar Arrington
47. Kevin Mawae
48. Patrick Surtain
49. Adam Vinatieri
50. Hines Ward

A ****ing kicker in the top 50? Get the **** out of here...

[SoCalBronco]

Ed Reed is too low as well as Hines Ward. Kevin Mawae is too high as well as Dillon. Urlacher too high as well.

[orange crusher]

This makes the Bailey/Portis trade look like an even trade. When Tater breaks out it will make it look lopsided.

[Atlas]

On that original list there were 6 Ravens. They can be the best team in the league if they had a QB.

[yavoon]

definitely some suspect calls on this list.

[KillerBronco#76]

i forget what show i was watching or mabey it was an article that called all wison a second tier player, it might even have been posted on this site somewhere. But being if the #3 ranked middle linebacker is a second tier player there must be a damn fine line between first and second tier. whatever thought always good to see wilson getting well deserved credit.

[Priest Dante]

Trent Green?

[watermock]

Wilson isn't a second tier player.

The media just loves sucking Ray Ray's balls. It's actually amusing.

Call it the Madden effect.

If Wilson is ranked as the second or third best MLB, what does that make the other 29 MLB's?

[TheReverend]

No... hes #2 MLB, #3 LB... they have an OLB higher than him here... and I posted the second tier article it was from sporting news.

[-Slap-]

Jeremy Shockey Better then Todd Heap??? Come on Shocky had one play in Preseason game done be Madden and now is one of the 50 top players in the league.....

Shockey doesn't belong on the list, neither does Gates after just one season.

[Arkie]

I predict Portis won't make the list in 2006. He's living off his production in Denver. Ladell Betts had a better YPA than Portis last year.

[rbackfactory80]

Here's another list, with Al and Champ in the top 50 :thumbsup: It's from PFW.
__________________________________________________

List compiled by NFL scouts, personnel, directors, and general managers

1. Peyton Manning
2. LadainianTomlinson
3. Randy Moss
4. Tom Brady
5. Donovan Mcnabb
6. Ray Lewis
7. Brett Favre
8. Marvin Harrison
9. Jason Taylor
10. Danute Cullpepper
11. Terrell Owens
12. Clinton Portis
13. Dwight Freeney
14. Jonathan Odgen
15. Jamal Lewis
16. Richard Seymour
17. Priest Holmes
18. Brian Urlacher
19. Orlando Pace
20. Walter Jones
21. Chris McAllister
22. Champ Bailey
23. Tony Gonzalez
24. Ahman Green
25. Ed Reed
26. Kris Jenkins
27. Michael Vick
28. Chad Johnson
29. Curtis Martin
30. Torry Holt
31. Derrick Brooks
32. Al Wilson
33. Willie Roaf
34. Shaun Rogers
35. Simeon Rice
36. Julius Peppers
37. Takeo Spikes
38. Will Shields
39. Corey Dillon
40. Jevon Kearse
41. Edgerrin James
42. Keith Bullock
43. Zach Thomas
44. Antoine Winfield
45. Brian Dawkins
46. LaVar Arrington
47. Kevin Mawae
48. Patrick Surtain
49. Adam Vinatieri
50. Hines Ward
Urlacher is definitely a specimen but because of injuries it is a questionable ranking of 18.

[rbackfactory80]

I predict Portis won't make the list in 2006. He's living off his production in Denver. Ladell Betts had a better YPA than Portis last year.

He still ran for almost 1300 yards and has averaged over 1400 in his career. He has great speed and moves and he will always be a top fifty player.

[rbackfactory80]

Shockey doesn't belong on the list, neither does Gates after just one season.

I agree Shockey doesn't belong on this list but Gates had a tremendous year and really set the standards for what good tight ends can bring to an offense.

[2KBack]

Gates: 81 964 11.9
Shocky (rookie season): 74 894 12.1
Heap ( 2 seasons ago): 68 836 12.3

The most productive seasons by each player, pretty comparable I think, and Gates isn't going to surprise anyone next year.

[Sec. of Defense]

Good list

Ray Lewis is NOT overrated. He just won DMVP right before his teammate did. The man was leading the league in tackles before he sat out the final game of the year. Even on his "so called" off year he played better than 99% of the LB's. Can you really say somebody is slipping after having 1 off year?He can't win DMVP every year.

[rbackfactory80]

Good list

Ray Lewis is NOT overrated. He just won DMVP right before his teammate did. The man was leading the league in tackles before he sat out the final game of the year. Even on his "so called" off year he played better than 99% of the LB's. Can you really say somebody is slipping after having 1 off year?He can't win DMVP every year.


Bouncing

[Sec. of Defense]

Bouncing

lol

[OrangeShadow]

id list hines ward higher