Division Champions

[TheReverend]

My predictions for this season... after training camp and preseason I'll be putting money on these, but I don't see them shifting much, except for a couple teams.

AFC:
East- Jets
North- Ravens
South- Colts
West- Broncos
WC- Jaguars/Fins
(Yes, i think the pats miss the play offs)

NFC:
East- Eagles
North- Vikings
South- Falcons
West- Cardinals
WC- Panthers/Cowboys

Superbowl- Broncos over Vikings

[labronx]

Superbowl Homers over Domers;D

[rbackfactory80]

My predictions for this season... after training camp and preseason I'll be putting money on these, but I don't see them shifting much, except for a couple teams.

AFC:
East- Jets
North- Ravens
South- Colts
West- Broncos
WC- Jaguars/Fins
(Yes, i think the pats miss the play offs)

NFC:
East- Eagles
North- Vikings
South- Falcons
West- Cardinals
WC- Panthers/Cowboys

Superbowl- Broncos over Vikings
No San diego, must think they are 1 year wonder.

[Mediator12]

The fins are rebuilding dude. No way they come close to the playoffs from the AFC East. Buffalo has a better shot witha first year QB than the fins.

[Atwater27]

My predictions for this season... after training camp and preseason I'll be putting money on these, but I don't see them shifting much, except for a couple teams.

AFC:
East- Jets
North- Ravens
South- Colts
West- Broncos
WC- Jaguars/Fins
(Yes, i think the pats miss the play offs)

NFC:
East- Eagles
North- Vikings
South- Falcons
West- Cardinals
WC- Panthers/Cowboys

Superbowl- Broncos over Vikings
Nice list but a lil too homeristic

AFC:
East: Bills (McGahee and the D carry this team into first place in a much competitive division)
North: Ravens (The best D in the game. It doesnt matter what kind of O you have. You cant score against this D.)
South: Jags (Jags pull it out after a break out year of Leftwich and Reggie Williams)
West: Broncos (The D is much improved but Coyer is still an idiot and squeak into first place in this division with a 11-5 record)
Wild Card: Colts(They win their usual shoot outs but come up a game short of taking the division)
Steelers(Big Ben has another good year and they pound the hell out of the ball with Staley and Bettis)

NFC:
East: Eagles (They can win without TO and they do after a ROY campaign of Reggie Brown)
North: Detriot (Their turning into the Colts a lil bit with great receivers and a good running back and they begin to win shoot outs.)
South: Atlanta (Vick has a campaign of MVP and the D is the best in the NFC, as long as they stay away from Arrow Head LMAO 56-10 wow)
West: Seahawks (This is a cupcake division and the Seahawks win it with a 9-7 record)
Wild Card: Bucs (behind great running of Cadillac and a good D the Bucs get in)
Carolina (3 NFC South teams in it. This is becoming a great division. Carolina goes back to their Super run of a good D and smashmouth style football with 2 1000 runners in Davis and Foster.)


Super Bowl:
Steelers vs Philly

Philly pulls it out in a Defensive battle 17-14

[Mediator12]

Nice list but a lil too homeristic

AFC:
East: Bills (McGahee and the D carry this team into first place in a much competitive division)
North: Ravens (The best D in the game. It doesnt matter what kind of O you have. You cant score against this D.)
South: Jags (Jags pull it out after a break out year of Leftwich and Reggie Williams)
West: Broncos (The D is much improved but Coyer is still an idiot and squeak into first place in this division with a 11-5 record)
Wild Card: Colts(They win their usual shoot outs but come up a game short of taking the division)
Steelers(Big Ben has another good year and they pound the hell out of the ball with Staley and Bettis)

NFC:
East: Eagles (They can win without TO and they do after a ROY campaign of Reggie Brown)
North: Detriot (Their turning into the Colts a lil bit with great receivers and a good running back and they begin to win shoot outs.)
South: Atlanta (Vick has a campaign of MVP and the D is the best in the NFC, as long as they stay away from Arrow Head LMAO 56-10 wow)
West: Seahawks (This is a cupcake division and the Seahawks win it with a 9-7 record)
Wild Card: Bucs (behind great running of Cadillac and a good D the Bucs get in)
Carolina (3 NFC South teams in it. This is becoming a great division. Carolina goes back to their Super run of a good D and smashmouth style football with 2 1000 runners in Davis and Foster.)


Super Bowl:
Steelers vs Philly

Philly pulls it out in a Defensive battle 17-14

Care to clarify that comment. Most people do not share that opinion here.

[Atwater27]

Care to clarify that comment. Most people do not share that opinion here.
What comment are you talking about?

[Mediator12]

What comment are you talking about?

The one in bold in my post about Coyer being an Idiot.

[Atwater27]

The one in bold in my post about Coyer being an Idiot.
i feel that Coyer does not do a good job of using our talent on Defense and does not make the right decisions. Like for example leaving Roc on Reggie Wayne. Or that 4th Quarter comeback of Oakland in the snow.

[sirhcyennek81]

AFC East:
1. Patriots, 11-5 xy
2. Jets, 9-7 x
3. Bills, 9-7
4. Dolphins, 6-0

AFC West:
1. Broncos, 12-4 xy
2. Chiefs, 10-6 x
3. Chargers, 8-8
4. Raiders, 6-10

AFC North:
1. Bengals, 10-6 x
2. Ravens, 8-8
3. Steelers, 7-9
4. Browns, 5-11

AFC South:
1. Colts, 11-5 x
2. Jaguars, 9-7
3. Texans, 8-8
4. Titans, 5-11

NFC East:
1. Giants, 11-5 x
2. Eagles, 9-7 x
3. Cowboys, 7-9
4. Redskins, 6-10

NFC West:
1. Cardinals, 9-7 x
2. Seahawks, 8-8
3. 49ers, 5-11
4. Rams, 4-12

NFC North:
1. Lions, 11-5, xy
2. Vikings, 10-6 x
3. Bears, 8-8
4. Packers, 6-10

NFC South:
1. Panthers, 12-4 xy
2. Falcons, 8-8
3. Bucs, 8-8
4. Saints, 7-9

xy- top 2 seeds
x- playoff berth

[TheReverend]

The fins are rebuilding dude. No way they come close to the playoffs from the AFC East. Buffalo has a better shot witha first year QB than the fins.

The Fins just had a run of REALLLLLLLLLLLY bad luck this year... i like their coach and draft and a similar team (albeit removed a few defensive stars) went 10-6 and was bumped by us in 03.

I think the Pats fall completely off the map and if Bledsoe were still in Buffallo they wouldve been my wildcard pick or div champs

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Pats
Ravens
Jags
Chiefs
WCs: Colts, Broncos, Jets and a long-shot of Houston fighting it out for the 2 spots

Eagles
Vikes
Panthers
Cards (what a ****ty division)
WCs: Falcons and Seahawks

[Atwater27]

I think the Pats fall completely off the map
One hell of a statement. I agree completely. No way the Pats survive without Wice and Cronell. I dont care how good your HC is. You can't lose your OC and DC in the same off season and expect to have a good year the following year. It cant be done. And if they do then ill eat some crow but i highly doubt they make the playoffs without both of them.

[sirhcyennek81]

I thought the Pats promoted one of their defensive coaches to coordinator, and will do an offense by commitee. That alone makes me wonder, but i still picked them to finish 1st in their division.

[Mediator12]

i feel that Coyer does not do a good job of using our talent on Defense and does not make the right decisions. Like for example leaving Roc on Reggie Wayne. Or that 4th Quarter comeback of Oakland in the snow.

OK.

You have football experience. Those are valid points on the surface. So how could he have used the talent better or made better decisions?

[Rock Chalk]

i feel that Coyer does not do a good job of using our talent on Defense and does not make the right decisions. Like for example leaving Roc on Reggie Wayne. Or that 4th Quarter comeback of Oakland in the snow.
So you take Roc off Wayne and put him on Stokely, at which point Peyton starts throwing to Stokely instead of Wayne.

Well thats a good option, but it still leaves you ****ed in the end.

As for the 4th quarter comeback at the snow game, man what exactly did Coyer do wrong? All I saw was flailing cornerbacks and linemen not getting any push from ****ty traction in the snow.

[sirhcyennek81]

Coyer called the right defense vs. oakland in denver. He cant make the players make plays. Finishing 4th in defense 2 years running is hard to do.

[2KBack]

i feel that Coyer does not do a good job of using our talent on Defense and does not make the right decisions. Like for example leaving Roc on Reggie Wayne. Or that 4th Quarter comeback of Oakland in the snow.


Those are pretty isolated incidents (and indy was pick your poison, Roc had to be on somebody). Fact of the matter is Coyer has fielded back to back top 5 defenses in his first 2 seasons at DC. In 2003 he did with 2 first year starter CBs, and 2004 he did it minus any pass rush and 2 run support Safties. Our lack of offense in those games contributed just as much, if not more.

[Cleo McDowell]

there are always those teams that come out of the woodwork and surprise a hell of a lot of teams n win the division looking like a powerhouse. Detroit maybe this year?

[Ballhawk]

I like:

Pitt
Jags
Denver
NYJ

Atl
Phil
Minn
Ariz

[Atwater27]

OK.

You have football experience. Those are valid points on the surface. So how could he have used the talent better or made better decisions?
In the Colts game you could have gave the finger to man to man coverage and switched to zone were you took the big play away. I noticed a lot of seam routes by the TEs in that game. That play could have been stopped by running a cover 3 D bringing the SS up to the line (about 5 yards off) and having the FS 12 yards back in the middle of the field. The SS sees the TE releasing he doesnt allow the TE to hit the seam and kill our D. Yet Kenoy let him hit the seam and it killed our D. Going to zone would have stopped that quick hitch to Wayne by taking the OLBs to the flats for a short gain, swat, or pick. Yet we stayed with man to man and that quick hitch to Reggie killed us.

In the Raider game, the Porter TD right before half could have been prevented by a cover 2 D. All he did was run a fly and the safety should have had over the top help but Porter scored easily. Or could have gone to a Prevent D were the 4+ DBs just go to prevent coverage and basically dont let the guy by you and welp he did.(sorry champ) And then that key Long ass catch by Curry in the 4th. That was a shotgun 4 wide set were Curry and the slot man (think it was Gabriel) ran crossing patterns and Curry ran forever it seemed like sitting in those stands. This could have been prevent with a Cover 6 D were the secondary checks off if they see twins. In this D the safety will cover anything to the inside or if the Number 1(the outside man) does a hitch and the Number 2(slot) runs a corner he covers that and the OLB picks up the hitch. Well on this play Gabriel(slot) runs an out and which was picked up nicely by the corner but the safety fails to pick up Curry and does a dumbass play and goes to cover Gabriel which he should have been covering Curry. This play lost us the game.

Now some of these examples could have been stopped by smarter players and it also could have been stopped by smarter play calling.

So i see your point whoever posted that it needs to be smarter players.

[TheReverend]

I like:

Pitt
Jags
Denver
NYJ

Atl
Phil
Minn
Ariz

So the same as me but you think Pitt (after taking off season losses) beats a healthy Baltimore (after a good draft and FA pick ups)

[TheReverend]

In the Colts game you could have gave the finger to man to man coverage and switched to zone were you took the big play away. I noticed a lot of seam routes by the TEs in that game. That play could have been stopped by running a cover 3 D bringing the SS up to the line (about 5 yards off) and having the FS 12 yards back in the middle of the field. The SS sees the TE releasing he doesnt allow the TE to hit the seam and kill our D. Yet Kenoy let him hit the seam and it killed our D. Going to zone would have stopped that quick hitch to Wayne by taking the OLBs to the flats for a short gain, swat, or pick. Yet we stayed with man to man and that quick hitch to Reggie killed us.

In the Raider game, the Porter TD right before half could have been prevented by a cover 2 D. All he did was run a fly and the safety should have had over the top help but Porter scored easily. Or could have gone to a Prevent D were the 4+ DBs just go to prevent coverage and basically dont let the guy by you and welp he did.(sorry champ) And then that key Long ass catch by Curry in the 4th. That was a shotgun 4 wide set were Curry and the slot man (think it was Gabriel) ran crossing patterns and Curry ran forever it seemed like sitting in those stands. This could have been prevent with a Cover 6 D were the secondary checks off if they see twins. In this D the safety will cover anything to the inside or if the Number 1(the outside man) does a hitch and the Number 2(slot) runs a corner he covers that and the OLB picks up the hitch. Well on this play Gabriel(slot) runs an out and which was picked up nicely by the corner but the safety fails to pick up Curry and does a dumbass play and goes to cover Gabriel which he should have been covering Curry. This play lost us the game.

Now some of these examples could have been stopped by smarter players and it also could have been stopped by smarter play calling.

So i see your point whoever posted that it needs to be smarter players.

You act like Peyton Manning gets confused by zone and doesn't EXCEL at it...

The cure to that game was a healthy Pryce punching him in the face like it was Regular Season 2003.

[2KBack]

You act like Peyton Manning gets confused by zone and doesn't EXCEL at it...

The cure to that game was a healthy Pryce punching him in the face like it was Regular Season 2003.

By the second half, I celebrated a small victory if a lineman came close enough to Manning to breathe on him.

[Atwater27]

You act like Peyton Manning gets confused by zone and doesn't EXCEL at it...

The cure to that game was a healthy Pryce punching him in the face like it was Regular Season 2003.
Just telling you ways to try and stop the plays i saw that hurt us the most.

[sirhcyennek81]

Manning saw a rookie on an established wr, he would have gone after alexander, no matter where he went. zone, man, mix of both, didnt matter. we had no way to put manning on his ass consistently. hard to throw for 500 yards when a dlineman is sitting on you.

[Atwater27]

Those coverages would have worked if we had pass rush. I believe the loss of Reggie Hayward was a heart breaker and will hurt us drastically if Courtney Brown doesnt show up this season.

[sirhcyennek81]

i think pryce coming back offsets the loss of hayward. Brown and Ekuban with warren inside make a nice rotation.

[Atwater27]

i think pryce coming back offsets the loss of hayward. Brown and Ekuban with warren inside make a nice rotation.
But Ekuban and Brown are 2 1st round busts that never used there talent. If they use the talent they were thought to have coming out, we should have one hell of a line.

[sirhcyennek81]

ekuban had 8 sacks in limited duty, and brown is a beast when he gets to play. they have first round talent, just needed the system to bring it out of them

[Atwater27]

ekuban had 8 sacks in limited duty, and brown is a beast when he gets to play. they have first round talent, just needed the system to bring it out of them
Ekuban is still gunna have limited (more than in CLE) duty with our heavily deep depth at the dline spot. Which is needed to get the rotations coming and keep the dlinemen fresh and energized. Which is key in Denver.

[SoCalBronco]

In the Colts game you could have gave the finger to man to man coverage and switched to zone were you took the big play away. I noticed a lot of seam routes by the TEs in that game. That play could have been stopped by running a cover 3 D bringing the SS up to the line (about 5 yards off) and having the FS 12 yards back in the middle of the field. The SS sees the TE releasing he doesnt allow the TE to hit the seam and kill our D.

Actually Cover 3 Sky is a very poor coverage against four verticals with the two seam routes on the inside. First of all the SS is playing outside the TE in flat coverage. If the TE releases vertical, the SS is not even in the play, it would then become an issue of whether the SLB who would be the hook-curl defender could get to the gap between the FS and Corner before the TE could. Its highly unlikely Spragan is fast enough to get to the spot before Dallas Clark. The double seam on the inside kills cover three because you just throw to the area opposite the FS once the reciever gets past the LBs. The FS is put in a bind because he has to choose between one of the seam routes and the corners are taken out by Go routes by the WRs.


Yet Kenoy let him hit the seam and it killed our D. Going to zone would have stopped that quick hitch to Wayne by taking the OLBs to the flats for a short gain, swat, or pick. Yet we stayed with man to man and that quick hitch to Reggie killed us.
Wrong again. If your talking about the 2 man combination to a side of a hitch by no. 1 (outside WR) and seam by no. 2, or even a double hitch, bump-man is the best coverage for hitches. Its a 5 yard stop route. By definition it requires off coverage. The corner has to be off or else its not open at all. If we went to a zone where the OLBs have flat responsibility (3 deep or quarters), you are giving up the hitch because in those coverages the corner is off and to the outside and it takes time for the OLBs to get to the flat while the pass is a quick 3 steps and throw. In quarters coverage the OLB may not even go flat as he has to read the release of no. 2 to that side, only if that reciever goes flat does he follow. Even if he is gonna be taught to just Buzz out there wont get there in time, its a 3 step drop. If its a fast LB, just widen the WR split to 12 yds from the OT or TE, no way he can get out there that fast.

In the Raider game, the Porter TD right before half could have been prevented by a cover 2 D. All he did was run a fly and the safety should have had over the top help but Porter scored easily. Or could have gone to a Prevent D were the 4+ DBs just go to prevent coverage and basically dont let the guy by you and welp he did.(sorry champ)

I think that was Kenoy's fault. From what i remember it looked we were in quarters because champ was playing with an outside shade to the WR and Kenoy was inside the TE at about 10 yards. It looked like two verticals and champ playing the ball once he saw it go to the inside WR tried to help kenoy and make up ground but didnt get there inside. It was Kenoy's problem, he let the guy get past him. If it was a two deep zone as you suggest, assuming the raiders supported their two verticals with a flat route, as the flat defender, Champ would have been on the flat route, Kenoy would have been in a bind having to choose between the No. 2 vertical and no. 1 vertical. Kenoy is not known for his range in coverage.

And then that key Long ass catch by Curry in the 4th. That was a shotgun 4 wide set were Curry and the slot man (think it was Gabriel) ran crossing patterns and Curry ran forever it seemed like sitting in those stands. This could have been prevent with a Cover 6 D were the secondary checks off if they see twins. In this D the safety will cover anything to the inside or if the Number 1(the outside man) does a hitch and the Number 2(slot) runs a corner he covers that and the OLB picks up the hitch. Well on this play Gabriel(slot) runs an out and which was picked up nicely by the corner but the safety fails to pick up Curry and does a dumbass play and goes to cover Gabriel which he should have been covering Curry. This play lost us the game.
I am not familiar with this coverage. It seems like a version of pattern reading quarters. Ok, Gabriel is running an out, what is curry's route? A drag? What kind of combination is that? Where is the stretch? It seems the coverage you describe is designed just to stop the basic smash combination (you mentioned the basic corner and hitch).


Now some of these examples could have been stopped by smarter players and it also could have been stopped by smarter play calling.

So i see your point whoever posted that it needs to be smarter players.

[Atwater27]

Cover 6 isnt designed to stop any specific pass but is suppose to have The safety covering the first wide out (on twins side) that comes in. In that case it was Curry. In that coverage the corner covers anything outside (out, corner, wheel, fly, etc) and when the safety sees number 2 start going out he yells "OUT OUT OUT". That play killed us and cover 6 would have stopped that if they were in it. But during that specific play i was in those long ass lines to go to the pisser after drinking hot cocoa to easy the chill of the cold. :(