Calling SoCal for a QB

[watermock]

I would imagine we would have to trade both picks to get Leinhart.

I would rather we get both our picks.

Who else is out there? I would hope we could get an OT and a QB both.

Other than Leinhart, what else is out there SoCal?

I think we should get an OT in a rich draft, but I don't really know much about the QB's.

[NaptownChief]

You guys don't need a high profile top QB like Leinart....Elway informed us all that Jake is going to "break out" this season.

[watermock]

Well, Jake has more upside than that loser in KC.

Washington will be lucky to win 5 games next year. I just don't see a QB worth that high a pick. I say take an OT high.

[labronx]

You guys don't need a high profile top QB like Leinart....Elway informed us all that Jake is going to "break out" this season.

remember Elway said it!

[Beantown Bronco]

I'd focus on both lines in the first round and look QB in the 2nd or 3rd if Jake stinks it up this year. If Jake does well, wait until 2006 to draft his replacement. I'm hearing that will most likely be a better QB class.

[Cito Pelon]

Well, Jake has more upside than that loser in KC.

Washington will be lucky to win 5 games next year. I just don't see a QB worth that high a pick. I say take an OT high.

There's a lot of things Denver can do if there's a possible franchise QB or OT available. They have the two 1's - and Wash's is probably top-ten - plus they can throw in the 2007 #1, or a combo of the 8-9 2nd-thru-7th round picks they have. And get both a top QB prospect AND a top OT prospect. Denver could easily have two picks in the top-ten, and one of them in the top 3. And the cap space will be there also to sign them.

Den's in a great position for next year's draft.

[NaptownChief]

Well, Jake has more upside than that loser in KC.

Washington will be lucky to win 5 games next year. I just don't see a QB worth that high a pick. I say take an OT high.



That is very true...Green is playing at a high level and maximizing his talent thus having very little additional upside and Plummet has been nothing but upside since he has been in the league cause he has always stunk and mastered getting as little out of his talent as possible leaving nothing but upside....

[MajikMan7]

I think we could really add some good depth by taking two CB's in the 1st round next year.

[NaptownChief]

I think we could really add some good depth by taking two CB's in the 1st round next year.


Especially the really short kind that most people think are 3rd round talents. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

I would imagine we would have to trade both picks to get Leinhart.

I would rather we get both our picks.

Who else is out there? I would hope we could get an OT and a QB both.

Other than Leinhart, what else is out there SoCal?

I think we should get an OT in a rich draft, but I don't really know much about the QB's.

Right now i dont have any QB that is set to come out next year as a first round prospect. The closest is Vincent Young who i think is an early 2nd round guy but if he takes the next step he is worthy of a first rounder. I have Leinart as a 3rd round guy even though im sure virtually everyone in the NFL has him as a top 5 pick if not the top pick. Wait till 2007 for a QB prospect. A good player we could get in 2006 in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd is Paul Pinegar of Fresno St.

[SpringStein]

Right now i dont have any QB that is set to come out next year as a first round prospect. The closest is Vincent Young who i think is an early 2nd round guy but if he takes the next step he is worthy of a first rounder. I have Leinart as a 3rd round guy even though im sure virtually everyone in the NFL has him as a top 5 pick if not the top pick. Wait till 2007 for a QB prospect. A good player we could get in 2006 in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd is Paul Pinegar of Fresno St.


I like Pinegar as well and have him rated as the 3rd QB after Leinart and Omar Jacobs.

I still don't believe Young will be in the '06 draft - but only time will tell.

[Crushaholic]

You guys don't need a high profile top QB like Leinart....Elway informed us all that Jake is going to "break out" this season.

Elway is certainly more than qualified to judge QBs, so I'm ready for it... :thumbsup:

[TheReverend]

Right now i dont have any QB that is set to come out next year as a first round prospect. The closest is Vincent Young who i think is an early 2nd round guy but if he takes the next step he is worthy of a first rounder. I have Leinart as a 3rd round guy even though im sure virtually everyone in the NFL has him as a top 5 pick if not the top pick. Wait till 2007 for a QB prospect. A good player we could get in 2006 in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd is Paul Pinegar of Fresno St.

I'll bet Vince Young goes Top Ten regardless of how well he THROWS this year... they want the next vick... jersey sales and excitement, cant complain about his record either. I wouldnt mind young either. Leinart is garbage... im guessing he sucks at a pro level.

I think Plummer DOES break out this year (by break out I mean playing smarter) and stays our QB for 3 more years. I think we use the picks at WR and OT... and use the 2nd on a S regardless if LeSeuer and Browner dont pan out. Lynch will retire soon...

[Play2win]

Matt Leinhart is a SoCal Quarterback. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

I like Pinegar as well and have him rated as the 3rd QB after Leinart and Omar Jacobs.

I still don't believe Young will be in the '06 draft - but only time will tell.

I think this is one of the weakest QB drafts in a long time. I think 07 will be much better with guys like Brian Brohm of Louisville, Henne of Michigan etc who looked great as a true freshman. I think people will really like Kyle Wright of Miami after seeing him for the first time this year. I just hope the OL doesnt kill him. This is an OT, DT and LB draft really.

[Play2win]

Elway is certainly more than qualified to judge QBs, so I'm ready for it... :thumbsup:
Yeah, but, with Elway and his mass amounts of pure talent, things came easier for him.

Easier, say, then they might for a Jake Plummer.

I think what would help Jake more than anything is a TRUSTED safety valve. I think Shannon Sharpe really helped him in that capacity his first year here. Maybe Rice can help in that same way.

I know one thing, Jake won't just LOCK ON to Rod Smith this year. Now he's got two proven guys with great hands. One was born with them, the other worked hard to acquire them. This alone, will help Jake open up the field more. Because of that, he will also be throwing it more in Lelie and Watts direction. I look for a BIG year from Watts this season. I think his YAC is going to be way up there.

GODDD!!! Hasn't Preseason started, YET?!? :cuss:

[SoCalBronco]

if we werent stocked at LB i would have loved to use the 2nd 1st round pick on Ernie Sims of Florida State or AJ Hawk of Ohio State

[Play2win]

If we could trade for Phillip Rivers, we would be set.

Maybe we could use one of our firsts on a trade!!!

Inter-divisional trades are hard to maneuver, I know. Especially since Marty knows Shanahan so well.

But, I would just love to get Phillip Rivers. He's got it all, Size, enough arm, Smarts and Very good accuracy. I know the delivery is a little ackward, but he gets the ball where it needs to go and on time.

I know I am just dreaming, but you never do know...

[Play2win]

Matt Leinhart is a SoCal Quarterback. ;D

I mean he's a QB that plays for Southern California. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

I mean he's a QB that plays for Southern California. ;D

AHH...i was gonna say. :)

[Play2win]

AHH...i was gonna say. :)
Syntax Error... ;D

[Cito Pelon]

Yeah, but, with Elway and his mass amounts of pure talent, things came easier for him.

Easier, say, then they might for a Jake Plummer.

I think what would help Jake more than anything is a TRUSTED safety valve. I think Shannon Sharpe really helped him in that capacity his first year here. Maybe Rice can help in that same way.

I know one thing, Jake won't just LOCK ON to Rod Smith this year. Now he's got two proven guys with great hands. One was born with them, the other worked hard to acquire them. This alone, will help Jake open up the field more. Because of that, he will also be throwing it more in Lelie and Watts direction. I look for a BIG year from Watts this season. I think his YAC is going to be way up there.

GODDD!!! Hasn't Preseason started, YET?!? :cuss:

Well, we'll see. Plummer has to step it up a hell of a lot. From what I saw last year, Plummer's on a downward spiral.

[scorpio]

Yeah, but, with Elway and his mass amounts of pure talent, things came easier for him.

Easier, say, then they might for a Jake Plummer.

I think what would help Jake more than anything is a TRUSTED safety valve. I think Shannon Sharpe really helped him in that capacity his first year here. Maybe Rice can help in that same way.

I know one thing, Jake won't just LOCK ON to Rod Smith this year. Now he's got two proven guys with great hands. One was born with them, the other worked hard to acquire them. This alone, will help Jake open up the field more. Because of that, he will also be throwing it more in Lelie and Watts direction. I look for a BIG year from Watts this season. I think his YAC is going to be way up there.

GODDD!!! Hasn't Preseason started, YET?!? :cuss:

I agree, Jake needs someone else to trust, but that HAS to become either Putz or Lelie. Rice has great hands, no doubt, but is he really even going to be on the field enough for Jake to consider him a "safety valve"?

[baja]

Well, we'll see. Plummer has to step it up a hell of a lot. From what I saw last year, Plummer's on a downward spiral.

Do you like anything - ice cream or apple pie maybe???

[Raider Bill]

Tui will probably be a FA, he'd probably fit well in Denver (mobile, good but not great arm.)

[Needa Pass Rush]

We need to keep the QB position patched up for about 6 years until Jack Elway is ready to start his pro career.

[DariusGoingDeep]

question for socal,

since you say this is a weak draft class for qb's in 06, and i agree (although im excited to see if vince young makes any progress), who do you see being at the top of the charts? i know about the hyped ot and dline class, but i seek your knowledge

any top gun wr's coming out? or who are the big names to watch this year in college football?

[SoCalBronco]

question for socal,

since you say this is a weak draft class for qb's in 06, and i agree (although im excited to see if vince young makes any progress), who do you see being at the top of the charts? i know about the hyped ot and dline class, but i seek your knowledge

any top gun wr's coming out? or who are the big names to watch this year in college football?

WR class is below average i would say. Right now Hagan of Arizona State and Holmes of Ohio State are the top WRs. Hagan isnt spectacular just a good solid WR and Holmes is a big play guy who is productive but small. A guy similar to Holmes, although not as productive is Skyler Green of LSU. He will be a good slot WR. Similar to Roscoe Parrish. A sleeper is Ryan Moore of Miami. He is an ideal NFL possession WR, well built with good speed and great height. But his hands are inconsistent and missed most of last year with injuries. He was very, very good in 2003 as a Redshirt Freshman, 2nd on the team in receptions behind only Winslow. Needs more development but he is a good one. Andre Caldwell of Florida is another good WR although he didnt quite take the step i thought he would take last year after a really good freshman year. Avant from Michigan is a good possession WR. Steve Smith of USC should be another good possession WR that will prolly go around the 2nd round. The TE class is a little better than last year, which was one of the worst years for TEs. Marcedes Lewis of UCLA is not a finished product but he is pretty damn good. I think he will be a future pro bowler. Has to get better against the run though. A guy who is a real sleeper is a Div 1-AA prospect out of Florida Atlantic, Anthony Crissinger-Hill. He is an excellent TE and worthy of a first round pick even though he has played poor competition. Crissinger-Hill is very, very good.
The RB class is pretty good at the top. LenDale White is the best RB that will come out next year. Next i would put Michael Bush of Louisville. He is huge and can run. Michael Bush has the whole package. Reggie Bush i would put 3rd. He is obviously very electric, a constant breakaway threat and is a playmaker, although not quite as consistent as White and is not very good on inside runs. Still, because he can do many things he deserves to be a first rounder. If he can add some more strength and more consistency he would shoot up to the Top 10 overall. He reminds me of Kevin Jones although he is not quite as good as Kevin..yet. DeAngelo Williams of Memphis is another impressive back. Some people have compared him to Emmitt Smith but i dont really see that. He is a very good back who can do alot of things though and is first round caliber.
There are a host of really good OTs out there. D'Brickashaw Ferguson from Virginia is the best, very athletic. Eric Winston from Miami is a really good pass protector and has great size and athleticism as a former TE, needs work on the run game though and is coming back from an injury. Marcus McNeill and Jon Scott are other first round quality OTs. Max Jean Gilles from Florida, with another year of development could be a first rounder. Lucky for us the DT class is very deep and talented, very much like 2004. Rodrique Wright of Texas is the single guy i want the most for the Broncos. He is a disruptive force inside. Haloti Ngata of Oregon and Gabe Watson of Michigan are very good DTs in the run stuffing/take up space department so if we get torn a new one on the inside run defense this year we may look their way. Orien Harris of Miami has alot of skill and is very good against the run and pass but was very inconsistent last year after having a brilliant 2003. Only two DEs at present i rate as first round prospects. First is probably the best overall prospect, Mathias Kiwanuka. "Kiwi", as he is called, has prolly the most freakish upside. He is a monster, but he is very raw so he wasnt dominant all the time. Nonetheless he still put up over 20 TFL and 11 sacks. He should be the nation's best DE this year. Mario Williams of NC State is pretty good as well. The LB class is extremely strong. This is one of the best LB classes so far as first round talents i have seen in awhile. The best LB in my opinion is Ernie Sims of Florida State. He is raw and not fully developed but he is a beast out there. He can hit like there is no tomorrow. He is a force to be reckoned with. AJ Hawk from Ohio State is another very good LB prospect. He is very smart and is around the ball. He timed better than i expected as well. Ahmad Brooks from Virginia is also a first round prospect. AJ Nicholson of Florida State is a very good weakside prospect, he is a playmaker. Spencer Havner from UCLA is a very underrated LB. He is extremely smart. Iowa has two good LBs in Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway although im not sure they have the pure physical ability to be really good pros.
The CB class is going to be okay. Jimmy Williams of VT and Antonio Cromatie of Florida State are the top 2, although Will Blackmon of BC is up there as well. There is no clear cut top 5 guy, although Devin Hester of Miami, if he makes significant strides in technique could be. He is the most athletic player to ever play at Miami according to several players including Antrel Rolle. But he is still raw at the CB position and didnt make strides in the spring. Still had 2 INT last year in the nickel and dime roles in very limited action. He is also a great returner.
The Safety class looks below average. Outside of Darnell Bing i dont see too many studs. Even Bing is a strong safety. Greg Threat from the U is solid but not spectacular.

[DariusGoingDeep]

wow...i knew you knew a lot, but you just blew me away.

thanks a lot socal, i appreciate the insight

however dont forget maroney in the RB's. im from mn and i watch the gophers every now and then...the kid can run

thanks again

[Denver Bronco56]

I say Get a QB or DT with the first 1st rounder.

I like Roderick wright out of texas...or vince young

[watermock]

Right now i dont have any QB that is set to come out next year as a first round prospect. The closest is Vincent Young who i think is an early 2nd round guy but if he takes the next step he is worthy of a first rounder. I have Leinart as a 3rd round guy even though im sure virtually everyone in the NFL has him as a top 5 pick if not the top pick. Wait till 2007 for a QB prospect. A good player we could get in 2006 in the 2nd or maybe the 3rd is Paul Pinegar of Fresno St.

I tend to agree, I was just wondering if you have seen a QB worthy of dumping both picks on.

From what I can tell, this draft is knee deep in good OT prospects. We will have to see if the Browncos work out, and Pryce. It seems like there are some good DT prospects, but we have buckets of DL.

If all of them break down, there are some decent DT prospects.

I figure Jake has at least three more mediocre years in front of him...which brings me to Tommy Maddox...heh...

I think Jake is only about 30, so he should hold up for a few more years...torturing us... :charge:

[watermock]

I couldn't believe we passed on Roscoe Parrish. Once we got Williams, I guess that was a given, but two more corners to boot?

BTW, SoCal is fishing in the wrong pond....

SoCal, Hodge isn't a real top notch LB, I think Greenway has more talent. Iowa is highly ranked this year but I think they will miss Roth and Babs.

[SoCalBronco]

I couldn't believe we passed on Roscoe Parrish. Once we got Williams, I guess that was a given, but two more corners to boot?

BTW, SoCal is fishing in the wrong pond....

SoCal, Hodge isn't a real top notch LB, I think Greenway has more talent. Iowa is highly ranked this year but I think they will miss Roth and Babs.

Both your LBs are solid prospects i think Mock but i dont think they are specimens physically though, which is what the league likes. They are good solid players though and they will be in the league. I am also interested to see if Drew Tate continues to get better. You guys were ranked as high as #3 in one preseason ranking i saw.

[watermock]

I wouldn't mind picking up Tui as a backup. He's never really gotten much of a chance behind Gannon, now Collins. I think he's RFA next year.

[watermock]

Drew Tate will be an excellent backup. I think he's only a junior tho. He's like Flutie. He's only 6'0 but has a strong arm for his size. He's going to light it up this year. He's very talented, just too small for the NFL.

He would be an excellent late first day pick in 2007 as a backup.

[SoCalBronco]

There is one more really good DT that could be a first rounder if he duplicates his 2004 performance and that is Jesse Mahelona of Tennessee. DF is probably very familiar with him. I hesitate to put him there now because he has had only one year of real action but he was very impressive last year.

[watermock]

I'm thinkin' we might get another OT next year with the Washington pick. Good OL in this draft, no?

[SoCalBronco]

I'm thinkin' we might get another OT next year with the Washington pick. Good OL in this draft, no?

Yep, its a very good OL draft esp at OT. Guard class is not as deep as OT but Eslinger from Minn is pretty good.

[watermock]

I dunno where Eslinger is slotted, but he's a beast, very technically sound. Minnesota occasionally puts out an elite lineman. He will start early in his career.

[Cito Pelon]

WR class is below average i would say. Right now Hagan of Arizona State and Holmes of Ohio State are the top WRs. Hagan isnt spectacular just a good solid WR and Holmes is a big play guy who is productive but small. A guy similar to Holmes, although not as productive is Skyler Green of LSU. He will be a good slot WR. Similar to Roscoe Parrish. A sleeper is Ryan Moore of Miami. He is an ideal NFL possession WR, well built with good speed and great height. But his hands are inconsistent and missed most of last year with injuries. He was very, very good in 2003 as a Redshirt Freshman, 2nd on the team in receptions behind only Winslow. Needs more development but he is a good one. Andre Caldwell of Florida is another good WR although he didnt quite take the step i thought he would take last year after a really good freshman year. Avant from Michigan is a good possession WR. Steve Smith of USC should be another good possession WR that will prolly go around the 2nd round. The TE class is a little better than last year, which was one of the worst years for TEs. Marcedes Lewis of UCLA is not a finished product but he is pretty damn good. I think he will be a future pro bowler. Has to get better against the run though. A guy who is a real sleeper is a Div 1-AA prospect out of Florida Atlantic, Anthony Crissinger-Hill. He is an excellent TE and worthy of a first round pick even though he has played poor competition. Crissinger-Hill is very, very good.
The RB class is pretty good at the top. LenDale White is the best RB that will come out next year. Next i would put Michael Bush of Louisville. He is huge and can run. Michael Bush has the whole package. Reggie Bush i would put 3rd. He is obviously very electric, a constant breakaway threat and is a playmaker, although not quite as consistent as White and is not very good on inside runs. Still, because he can do many things he deserves to be a first rounder. If he can add some more strength and more consistency he would shoot up to the Top 10 overall. He reminds me of Kevin Jones although he is not quite as good as Kevin..yet. DeAngelo Williams of Memphis is another impressive back. Some people have compared him to Emmitt Smith but i dont really see that. He is a very good back who can do alot of things though and is first round caliber.
There are a host of really good OTs out there. D'Brickashaw Ferguson from Virginia is the best, very athletic. Eric Winston from Miami is a really good pass protector and has great size and athleticism as a former TE, needs work on the run game though and is coming back from an injury. Marcus McNeill and Jon Scott are other first round quality OTs. Max Jean Gilles from Florida, with another year of development could be a first rounder. Lucky for us the DT class is very deep and talented, very much like 2004. Rodrique Wright of Texas is the single guy i want the most for the Broncos. He is a disruptive force inside. Haloti Ngata of Oregon and Gabe Watson of Michigan are very good DTs in the run stuffing/take up space department so if we get torn a new one on the inside run defense this year we may look their way. Orien Harris of Miami has alot of skill and is very good against the run and pass but was very inconsistent last year after having a brilliant 2003. Only two DEs at present i rate as first round prospects. First is probably the best overall prospect, Mathias Kiwanuka. "Kiwi", as he is called, has prolly the most freakish upside. He is a monster, but he is very raw so he wasnt dominant all the time. Nonetheless he still put up over 20 TFL and 11 sacks. He should be the nation's best DE this year. Mario Williams of NC State is pretty good as well. The LB class is extremely strong. This is one of the best LB classes so far as first round talents i have seen in awhile. The best LB in my opinion is Ernie Sims of Florida State. He is raw and not fully developed but he is a beast out there. He can hit like there is no tomorrow. He is a force to be reckoned with. AJ Hawk from Ohio State is another very good LB prospect. He is very smart and is around the ball. He timed better than i expected as well. Ahmad Brooks from Virginia is also a first round prospect. AJ Nicholson of Florida State is a very good weakside prospect, he is a playmaker. Spencer Havner from UCLA is a very underrated LB. He is extremely smart. Iowa has two good LBs in Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway although im not sure they have the pure physical ability to be really good pros.
The CB class is going to be okay. Jimmy Williams of VT and Antonio Cromatie of Florida State are the top 2, although Will Blackmon of BC is up there as well. There is no clear cut top 5 guy, although Devin Hester of Miami, if he makes significant strides in technique could be. He is the most athletic player to ever play at Miami according to several players including Antrel Rolle. But he is still raw at the CB position and didnt make strides in the spring. Still had 2 INT last year in the nickel and dime roles in very limited action. He is also a great returner.
The Safety class looks below average. Outside of Darnell Bing i dont see too many studs. Even Bing is a strong safety. Greg Threat from the U is solid but not spectacular.

Wow. If you were in my line of business, I'd probably hire you on that right there. I'd check a few facts to verify, but anybody that can run all that off quick is worth a "recommend to hire."

[DBroncos4life]

Remember this name Zac Taylor. If he does well I think he comes out this year. I'm sure Beck will be ready to go next year unless he RS. Taylor has a cannon for a arm and has some mustard behind it as well. He isn't affraid to take a shot either. Best part he is running a pro style WCO.

[DrFate]

This is an OT, DT and LB draft really.

So we take Ferguson and the best DT available.

Easy...

[Ninjafied]

I like the idea of shoring up the line on both sides of the ball. A franchise OT with the Washington pick and a solid DE or DT with our own pick (which will be later than the Washington pick, of course).
Or here’s another scenario: Come draft day Shanahan might go and do something really unpredictable…. like trade the top pick in the draft for ten 3rd-rounders; nine of them will be cornerbacks.