Just bought my new ride!

[ChampBailey24]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!

[DB-Freak]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!
Lime green?

Honey who would want your limegreen car?

[ChampBailey24]

im gonna repaint it black, but then im gonna have to make the green part of the interior black too. ihave to save up though

[Cito Pelon]

Nice ride.

[ChampBailey24]

thx man

[CBF1]

That ride would last 2 days in SoCal until is was jacked. Nice ride, I like it. Maybe you could have him repaint it Bronco Orange with Blue trim :)

nas? FOG IT lmao

[ChampBailey24]

That ride would last 2 days in SoCal until is was jacked. Nice ride, I like it. Maybe you could have him repaint it Bronco Orange with Blue trim :)

nas? FOG IT lmao
that would be sweet!

[CBF1]

The 16B DOHC motor runs about 160hp factory. Instead of a new motor, why not consider vacuume (super charger) and fog, that would put you close to 400hp...enough to get any local law officials attention.

[DB-Freak]

Lime green?

Honey who would want your limegreen car?
incase you people didn't get it, I was referring to a car commercial.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!


You bought that! And your going to repaint it. Don't repaint. That color is straight out of "pimp my ride". Man you got to keep that color.

[Blue Crush D]

why u paintin it raider black son. bit for rill doe. dat ride nice. bit for rill doe. you shood have chosed the car next to it (orange one)

fo sho

[Pat Bowlen]

why u paintin it raider black son. bit for rill doe. dat ride nice. bit for rill doe. you shood have chosed the car next to it (orange one)

fo sho
How in the hell does this guy have positive rep?

[TheDave]

God i'm getting old...

[GreatBronco16]

You would rather have that rice burner than a brand new mustang? Give me a GT and that little ricer wouldn't touch it.

I'm saving for this.

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294

[Dukes]

Looks pretty good, if you like ricers. And it's definitely hooked up. Can't say I like the slanted licence plate though.

[ChampBailey24]

haha i dunno maybe ill keep it that color, and you have a good point, no raider colors, im pumped to get it though, he is driving it out next weekend!

[Cito Pelon]

You would rather have that rice burner than a brand new mustang? Give me a GT and that little ricer wouldn't touch it.

There is something called fuel mileage I heard of a ways back . . .

And something called "bang for the buck." I've heard of that before, also.

[Dukes]

And something called "bang for the buck." I've heard of that before, also.

Which is only one of the reasons why Mustangs have been so popular for the last 30+ years
thwack

[DBroncos4life]

You would rather have that rice burner than a brand new mustang? Give me a GT and that little ricer wouldn't touch it.

I'm saving for this.

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294


GB you must not know the power of the rice burners. The 90's style 300z's can get well over 1200 horses out of them. Its not easy or cheap but it can be done. Also the Jap verson of them tops out at over 200 MPH. The USA ones can do the same but you have to take off the gov and tweak a few things. I would take a twin turbo Skyline over any other car...unless it was a yenko Camaro. I love Camaro's and pray everyday Chevy brings them back with the Chevelle, and SOON!!

[Meck77]

Nice ride. Only thing it needs is a coat of Orange.

[DBroncos4life]

Which is only one of the reasons why Mustangs have been so popular for the last 30+ years
thwack


Too bad Camaro's and Firebirds won that award just about every year.

[DBroncos4life]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6392&item=4554483766&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


Here we go. Now I would have to pay to get it over here and still I wouldn't know if I could get it tagged or not. That would suck to buy it and not be able to drive it!!

[Tombstone RJ]

The person who built that Acura probably dumped (or dumbed, depending on your view point) more than $15k just getting it to the point its at now. What a waste of money... but, that is JMHO. Congrats on your new ride CB24, I hope it serves you well.

[ChampBailey24]

The person who built that Acura probably dumped (or dumbed, depending on your view point) more than $15k just getting it to the point its at now. What a waste of money... but, that is JMHO. Congrats on your new ride CB24, I hope it serves you well.
me too man, im pumped to get it right now im driving a stock accord that is grandma gold, and its kinda bland so its gonna be nice being the car that gets looked at alot lol

[Cito Pelon]

The 16B DOHC motor runs about 160hp factory. Instead of a new motor, why not consider vacuume (super charger) and fog, that would put you close to 400hp...enough to get any local law officials attention.

Super-charging is the best bang-for-the-buck scenario.

I'd put the super-charger kit on my Tacoma, but I'm hoping to sneak a Porsche 911 by the old lady. I'd like to get that super-charger kit, the Tacoma already has MacPherson struts and rack&pinion steering. Put enough weight in the bed, and it handles phenomenally well for a 4wd.

I took the Tacoma down the back side of Eisenhower into Silverthorne at 105 last year. And that was just with the dog and light camping equip in the back. No kids. They would have not only freaked, but told.

Anyhow, I like telling that story, carry on . . . .

[GreatBronco16]

GB you must not know the power of the rice burners. The 90's style 300z's can get well over 1200 horses out of them. Its not easy or cheap but it can be done. Also the Jap verson of them tops out at over 200 MPH. The USA ones can do the same but you have to take off the gov and tweak a few things. I would take a twin turbo Skyline over any other car...unless it was a yenko Camaro. I love Camaro's and pray everyday Chevy brings them back with the Chevelle, and SOON!!

Sorry, but the guy on ebay said that car has over 30k invested in it? Well, I think someone stole his money. The new shelby Cobra is gonna have 450hp and 450lbs of torque from the factory. You don't think you could get more out of it? Sorry, but there is nothing like pure american muscle. And I gurantee that ricer from ebay the way it is right now, couldn't touch a Shelby Cobra GT500 stock.

[DBroncos4life]

Sorry, but the guy on ebay said that car has over 30k invested in it? Well, I think someone stole his money. The new shelby Cobra is gonna have 450hp and 450lbs of torque from the factory. You don't think you could get more out of it? Sorry, but there is nothing like pure american muscle. And I gurantee that ricer from ebay the way it is right now, couldn't touch a Shelby Cobra GT500 stock.



That ricer no but Im know that you can find others for just as much as a Cobra that are faster. As far as HP goes Im sure a Civic doesn't need 400 hp to go as fast as a stang because it doesn't weight near as much.

[ChampBailey24]

Sorry, but the guy on ebay said that car has over 30k invested in it? Well, I think someone stole his money. The new shelby Cobra is gonna have 450hp and 450lbs of torque from the factory. You don't think you could get more out of it? Sorry, but there is nothing like pure american muscle. And I gurantee that ricer from ebay the way it is right now, couldn't touch a Shelby Cobra GT500 stock.
o no doubt, but i dont have loads of cash lol just savings lol

[GreatBronco16]

How much is the 06 Cobra gonna go for? Anyone heard yet? I would think around 30k at most imo. Not sure. The 05 GT here cost about 25k loaded.

[DBroncos4life]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6398&item=4554607794&rd=1


550hp twin turbo and it would cost you me less then the new stang.

Or if you really want a car and want to shell out some cash go with a Supra. Those babys will fly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6447&item=4554381542&rd=1

700hp out of this bad boy

[Cito Pelon]

Sorry, but the guy on ebay said that car has over 30k invested in it? Well, I think someone stole his money. The new shelby Cobra is gonna have 450hp and 450lbs of torque from the factory. You don't think you could get more out of it? Sorry, but there is nothing like pure american muscle. And I gurantee that ricer from ebay the way it is right now, couldn't touch a Shelby Cobra GT500 stock.

Money . . . .money . . .insurance . . .fuel. . . .

[GreatBronco16]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6398&item=4554607794&rd=1


550hp twin turbo and it would cost you me less then the new stang.

Or if you really want a car and want to shell out some cash go with a Supra. Those babys will fly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6447&item=4554381542&rd=1

700hp out of this bad boy


Those are 91s and 97s. Hard to compare that to an 06 model.

Tell you what. I have a 66 mustang that I could build up to around 700-800hp no problem if I wanted to and come out way cheaper than those two cars.

I believe my mustang cost us 5k brand new in 66.

[GreatBronco16]

Also, that's alot of horse power for a 3 liter 6cyl.

[TD30]

How in the hell does this guy have positive rep?

He had that rap video, I must say it was classic. I almost pissed myself from laughing so hard. Unfortunately he removed the link but here is the thread. There was another one but I can't find it.....

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=24741

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

incase you people didn't get it, I was referring to a car commercial.

Was it a car commercial? or an Ebay commercial? I just remember the dude going Whoa, Lime green Pacer or something like that.

[Taco John]

Nice ride... Looks like fun... :)

[Pat Bowlen]

He had that rap video, I must say it was classic. I almost pissed myself from laughing so hard.
Oh yeah. Fantastic talent, that kid.

[GreatBronco16]

Was it a car commercial? or an Ebay commercial? I just remember the dude going Whoa, Lime green Pacer or something like that.

It was an Ebay commercial.

[Atlas]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!

Looks like a pimp mobile!!

I would stick with the Mustang

[crazyhorse]

Too bad Camaro's and Firebirds won that award just about every year.

What the hell are you smokin'? Havent you noticed that the Camaro is dead?

What car do you think killed it?

The reason that Camaros aren't around any more is because if you take the Firebird, Trans Am, Camaro, and the Camaro SS add them all up together they sold 1 for every 6 Mustangs.

Mustang is winning the "40 years and still going strong" award.

Kinda funny how some of you guys clown Camaros in one breath, then rave about them in another. Do you have a mullet too?

That said....

The Yenco was a great car.

[crazyhorse]

Money . . . .money . . .insurance . . .fuel. . . .

If money is an issue, why put 30 grand in a car that is the Honda equivalent of the Ford Pinto?

Put 30 grand in a Mustang and see how they stack up.

If you want fuel mileage, get a moped.

[crazyhorse]

How much is the 06 Cobra gonna go for? Anyone heard yet? I would think around 30k at most imo. Not sure. The 05 GT here cost about 25k loaded.

The 06 GT loaded is around 30K. The Cobra is going to be an estimated 35K.

Anyone comparing the Cobra to a freakin' Civic just doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. In any year.

Go buy yourself a Cobra with 30 grand stuck in it for 15 grand. Good luck.

[crazyhorse]

That ricer no but Im know that you can find others for just as much as a Cobra that are faster. As far as HP goes Im sure a Civic doesn't need 400 hp to go as fast as a stang because it doesn't weight near as much.

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about power. HP is used at the top of the band. The only thing that matters from stoplight to stoplight is torque. Torque is the power down low on the band.

Unless you are at the track, hp is the secondary power source.

This is why a 450 hp stang with 450 ft. lbs. of torque will smoke a 600 horse ricer.

[Garcia Bronco]

"You still got the lime green hatchback?"

"Sweet Mercy!"

[DarkHorse]

Too bad Camaro's and Firebirds won that award just about every year.


Wrong - The aftermarket is very expensive for the F-bodies.

[DarkHorse]

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about power. HP is used at the top of the band. The only thing that matters from stoplight to stoplight is torque. Torque is the power down low on the band.

Unless you are at the track, hp is the secondary power source.

This is why a 450 hp stang with 450 ft. lbs. of torque will smoke a 600 horse ricer.


Torque pulls the car till 5252 rpm, after this point HP takes over. Yes, torque pulls you thru the track for the most part.

[DarkHorse]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6398&item=4554607794&rd=1


550hp twin turbo and it would cost you me less then the new stang.

Or if you really want a car and want to shell out some cash go with a Supra. Those babys will fly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6447&item=4554381542&rd=1

700hp out of this bad boy

Supras are dyno queens - they put up GREAT numbers 800hp, 900 hp 1000 hp - then go to the track and run 12.50's at 130mph.

Cute cars.

Great for racing on the freeway where it's illegal and dangerous. They'll do close to 200mph - perfect for smashing into the ass end of some unsuspecting family on a trip.

[Garcia Bronco]

Torque pulls the car till 5252 rpm, after this point HP takes over. Yes, torque pulls you thru the track for the most part.

Torgue is the third derivative....acceleration and velocity are the first and second.

[labronx]

NICE RIDE! Congrats!

[Mile High Shack]

God i'm getting old...

me too Dave

all these young kids fascinated by those stupid rice burners and that damn too fast too furious movie.

give me an american muscle car anyday

screw those rice burners that sound like lawn mowers

[Mile High Shack]

Supras are dyno queens - they put up GREAT numbers 800hp, 900 hp 1000 hp - then go to the track and run 12.50's at 130mph.

Cute cars.

Great for racing on the freeway where it's illegal and dangerous. They'll do close to 200mph - perfect for smashing into the ass end of some unsuspecting family on a trip.

a-men to american muscle

[TheDave]

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about power. HP is used at the top of the band. The only thing that matters from stoplight to stoplight is torque. Torque is the power down low on the band.

Unless you are at the track, hp is the secondary power source.

This is why a 450 hp stang with 450 ft. lbs. of torque will smoke a 600 horse ricer.


This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about physics...

horsepower is nothing more than a calculation based on torque and engine speed... [horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252] Torque is produced throughout the RPM band not just "down low". As for your 600 hp "Ricer" getting smoked... wrong again.

Honda S200 (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 2835
horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.559
terminal speed = 139.5

Honda Civic (front wheel drive)
curb weight = 2782
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.65
terminal speed = 139.5

Ford Mustang (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 3500
Horsepower = 450
1/4 mi time = 12.5
terminal speed = 118.1

* none of the above times are adjusted for gearring... I'm just assuming everyone was smart enough to select the right ratios...

Looks like your mustang just got smoked by both the "Ricers"... Just a word of advice, crack open a physic book before you talk too much $hit at the next stop light... it'll save you alot of embarrassment.

[scorpio]

Now you and Portis can go cruisin' for honies.

http://simla.colostate.edu/~cheppner/portis_eastern.gif

[Mile High Shack]

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about physics...

horsepower is nothing more than a calculation based on torque and engine speed... [horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252] Torque is produced throught the RPM band not just "down low". As for your 600 hp "Ricer" getting smoked... wrong again.

Honda S200 (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 2835
horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.559
terminal speed = 139.5

Honda Civic (front wheel drive)
curb weight = 2782
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.65
terminal speed = 139.5

Ford Mustang (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 3500
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 12.5
terminal speed = 118.1

Looks like your mustang just got smoked by both the "Ricers"... Just a word of advice, crack open a physic book before you talk too much $hit at the next stop light... it'll save you alot of embarrasment.


I'll take your word for it :)

myself, american muscle cars look nicer to me, who cares about speed...no one here races except for DH...and he choses an American Car

[TheDave]

I'll take your word for it :)

myself, american muscle cars look nicer to me, who cares about speed...no one here races except for DH...and he choses an American Car

Personally i'll take an american v8 all day (though lexus does make a nice one) but some of these damn imports are unbelievable anymore...

[DarkHorse]

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about physics...

horsepower is nothing more than a calculation based on torque and engine speed... [horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252] Torque is produced throught the RPM band not just "down low". As for your 600 hp "Ricer" getting smoked... wrong again.

Honda S200 (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 2835
horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.559
terminal speed = 139.5

Honda Civic (front wheel drive)
curb weight = 2782
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.65
terminal speed = 139.5

Ford Mustang (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 3500
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 12.5
terminal speed = 118.1

* none of the above times are adjusted for gearring... I'm just assuming everyine was smart enough to select the right ratios...

Looks like your mustang just got smoked by both the "Ricers"... Just a word of advice, crack open a physic book before you talk too much $hit at the next stop light... it'll save you alot of embarrasment.


What exactly are these numbers based on? I have a buddy that has a Cobra that put down 634 to the rear wheels - car goes 9.70's consistent. Your equation says 12.50's on 600hp??? Gearing isn't making up the 3 second difference that's for sure.

My car put down 318 hp to the rear wheels and goes 12.360 @ 110.82 - what do I show on the equation? 20.50's @ 70mph?

With gears, shorty shifter, headers, and lower control arms the new 05 Mustang went 12.78 - thing can't put down much more than 300hp to the rear wheels.

Goal is to have a very broad torque band something that peaks at 3000 rpm and holds thru to about 5500 rpm would be great.

[TheDave]

What exactly are these numbers based on? I have a buddy that has a Cobra that put down 634 to the rear wheels - car goes 9.70's consistent. Your equation says 12.50's on 600hp??? Gearing isn't making up the 3 second difference that's for sure.

My car put down 318 hp to the rear wheels and goes 12.360 @ 110.82 - what do I show on the equation? 20.50's @ 70mph?

With gears, shorty shifter, headers, and lower control arms the new 05 Mustang went 12.78 - thing can't put down much more than 300hp to the rear wheels.

Goal is to have a very broad torque band something that peaks at 3000 rpm and holds thru to about 5500 rpm would be great.

Oops typo... i meant to say 450hp... that was his statement earlier that a 450 hp mustang would smoke a 600hp ricer...

I'll fix that...

[DarkHorse]

Oops typo... i meant to say 450hp... that was his statement earlier that a 450 hp mustang would smoke a 600hp ricer...

I'll fix that...


:)

[watermock]

Now I'm even more worried about my kid running around in my 5.0. Capri Convertible.

He just put a new Holley, pipes and and gears in it. And a cam.

Now it's pushing 350.

It's still not a monster, but it's pretty quick. Your prayers are greatly appreciated.

[watermock]

I might take the car away from him.

I don't want to see him roll it. I would lose it.

I would have to kick his ass to get it back tho.

And he's stronger than I am. I could beg him tho.

Why did I give him a racecar?

It was supposed to be garaged, he has a little Toyota pickup.

I might take it from him for awhile. I simply can't let him kill himself in some racecar. :gossip:

[GreatBronco16]

Oops typo... i meant to say 450hp... that was his statement earlier that a 450 hp mustang would smoke a 600hp ricer...

I'll fix that...


I said it would smoke that ricer from ebay that he just bought.

[Pat Bowlen]

Your prayers are greatly appreciated.
I've been praying for your kid since the day I heard about him. He's got all my sympathy.

[crazyhorse]

This is a common statement from someone who doesn't know anything about physics...

horsepower is nothing more than a calculation based on torque and engine speed... [horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252] Torque is produced throughout the RPM band not just "down low". As for your 600 hp "Ricer" getting smoked... wrong again.




Honda S200 (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 2835
horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.559
terminal speed = 139.5

Honda Civic (front wheel drive)
curb weight = 2782
Horsepower = 600
1/4 mi time = 10.65
terminal speed = 139.5

Ford Mustang (rear Wheel Drive)
curb weight = 3500
Horsepower = 450
1/4 mi time = 12.5
terminal speed = 118.1

* none of the above times are adjusted for gearring... I'm just assuming everyone was smart enough to select the right ratios...

Looks like your mustang just got smoked by both the "Ricers"... Just a word of advice, crack open a physic book before you talk too much $hit at the next stop light... it'll save you alot of embarrassment.



I know the power to weight ratio, dip****.


Here's one for ya.

You have 2 Chevrolet full size pick up trucks.

In one of the trucks you have a 454 which is rated at 235 hp.

In the second one you have the 240 hp v-6 model.

Both trucks are geared the same. Both trucks weigh the same.

Which one crosses the 1/4 mile finish line 1st?

I look forward to your explanation.

[scorpio]

What....is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?

[Beantown Bronco]

I know the power to weight ratio, dip****.


Here's one for ya.

You have 2 Chevrolet full size pick up trucks.

In one of the trucks you have a 454 which is rated at 235 hp.

In the second one you have the 240 hp v-6 model.

Both trucks are geared the same. Both trucks weigh the same.

Which one crosses the 1/4 mile finish line 1st?

I look forward to your explanation.


Robby Gordon would answer "the one with the lightest driver"

[crazyhorse]

Here's another for ya, the dave.

You have a 351 engine.

Torque @2000 rpm is 336
@2500 it's 387
@5252 it's 460

Redline is 6500 RPM

What is the peak HP?
What is peak Tq?

What's the quarter mile time in a 3500 lb. car?

Better get the physics book.

Though it wont save you any embarrassment.

[crazyhorse]

Robby Gordon would answer "the one with the lightest driver"

He'd be wrong.

[watermock]

I wouldn't give 1500 yet alone put a paint brush on that thing.

It's worth about 3 grand.

Your going to paint it black. Pure Genius.

Has it even occured to you that the paint will peel and you will driving a black car with green paint underneath?

This is beyond comical.

[TheDave]

I know the power to weight ratio, dip****.


Here's one for ya.

You have 2 Chevrolet full size pick up trucks.

In one of the trucks you have a 454 which is rated at 235 hp.

In the second one you have the 240 hp v-6 model.

Both trucks are geared the same. Both trucks weigh the same.

Which one crosses the 1/4 mile finish line 1st?

I look forward to your explanation.

which one weighs more?

[DivineLegion]

LOL Crazyhorse stopped by his local wally mart and picked himself up a physics book so he could show someone up....hahahahahaha...

[DivineLegion]

which one weighs more?

read the problem again buddy

[TheDave]

Here's another for ya, the dave.

You have a 351 engine.

Torque @2000 rpm is 336 = 128hp
@2500 it's 387 = 184.2hp
@5252 it's 460 = 460hp

Redline is 6500 RPM

What is the peak HP? according to the above...460
What is peak Tq? according to the above ...460

What's the quarter mile time in a 3500 lb. car? 11.45 sec

Better get the physics book.

Though it wont save you any embarrassment.

[TheDave]

read the problem again buddy

Oopps! under those circumstances i'ld give it to the v-6 truck

V8 Truck w/ 235hp: 16.415 seconds 90.969 mph trap speed

v6 Truck w/ 240hp: 16.300 seconds 91.625 mph trap speed

Again all of this is assuming that these trucks and tracks are identical besides the engine.

[DivineLegion]

Oopps! under those circumstances i'ld give it to the v-6 truck

Its strait I dident catch it the first time either...

[crazyhorse]

You have a 351 engine.

Torque @2000 rpm is 336 = 128hp
@2500 it's 387 = 184.2hp
@5252 it's 460 = 460hp

Redline is 6500 RPM

What is the peak HP? according to the above...460
What is peak Tq? according to the above ...460

What's the quarter mile time in a 3500 lb. car? 11.45 sec


This engine produced 484 ft. lbs. of torque at 4500 rpms and 467 hp at 5500 rpms.

As you can see, your formula does not apply. You were 24 ft. lbs. off and 7 hp.

Other variables that you neglect to take into consideration are:

torque curve
hp curve
tire size
gear ratios
auto or manual trans.

thank you for playing.

[minibronco]

Lime green?

Honey who would want your limegreen car?

Sweet! A limegreen hatchback!

[TheDave]

This engine produced 484 ft. lbs. of torque at 4500 rpms and 467 hp at 5500 rpms.

As you can see, your formula does not apply. You were 24 ft. lbs. off and 7 hp.

Other variables that you neglect to take into consideration are:

torque curve
hp curve
tire size
gear ratios
auto or manual trans.

thank you for playing.

460 / 484 =95% accurate

467 / 460 = 98.5% accurate

considering you gave me 3 variables to work with and asked me to "Guesstimate" the peak hp and torque over the entire RPM range i'ld say that was pretty damn good. Even your limited math skills should be able to see that...(by the way why don't you put up a dyno chart to prove your numbers were right.

As for the other things to consider... duh! that's why i kept saying that all other variables being constant.

Keep in mind this all started with you saying a 450 hp mustang would smoke a 600 hp ricer. You were wrong!

[crazyhorse]

460 / 484 =95% accurate

467 / 460 = 98.5% accurate

considering you gave me 3 variables to work with and asked me to "Guesstimate" the peak hp and torque over the entire RPM range i'ld say that was pretty damn good. Even your limited math skills should be able to see that...(by the way why don't you put up a dyno chart to prove your numbers were right.


As for the other things to consider... duh! that's why i kept saying that all other variables being constant.



All other variables aren't constant when you are comparing a 4 banger to a v-8 engine.

The variables that I gave you were to show that your formula was incorrect. I was right! Since when is there a 95% prize in physics?

Yeah, you got pretty close by saying 460 ft. lbs and 460 hp. But if I didnt know better, I would think you just looked at the 460 ft. lbs #s I handed you and worked your theory of of it. Proving your theory incorrect. The nubers I gave you were already practically at peak power. Meaning, you didn't need much room to get it wrong.

I think perhaps you missed the point in the 1st place. The point was, that torque plays a roll in the total perfomance. In the case of the V-8 it will produce more torque than will a 4 cylinder.

Perhaps you should pick up a wrench and get some experience.

[HEAV]

I'd wouldv'e gone with the Steve McQween Mustang......but that's just me. I see too many on the "Ricer" car's around.

[Tombstone RJ]

I want a Honda S2000 for my fun car, hopefully, I'll get one pretty soon...

[TheDave]

The variables that I gave you were to show that your formula was incorrect. I was right! Since when is there a 95% prize in physics?

Yeah, you got pretty close by saying 460 ft. lbs and 460 hp. But if I didnt know better, I would think you just looked at the 460 ft. lbs #s I handed you and worked your theory of of it. Proving your theory incorrect. The nubers I gave you were already practically at peak power. Meaning, you didn't need much room to get it wrong.

The equation i gave you is what the SAE uses to figure horsepower... don't believe me look it up. By the way i'm still waiting for the dyno sheet to prove that your numbers were right...

I think perhaps you missed the point in the 1st place. The point was, that torque plays a roll in the total perfomance. In the case of the V-8 it will produce more torque than will a 4 cylinder.

No you said a 450 hp 3500lb car would beat a 600 hp 2800 lb car... you were wrong then, and your still wrong.

Perhaps you should pick up a wrench and get some experience.

Bud i grew up building IMSA style GT cars with my dad, raced go carts and solo miata events over the years, and crew cheifed a local late models team. I promise ive picked up more wrences than you, all while going to school long enough to learn how to do math.

Damn Chef Fans...

[OrangeShadow]

god i hate civics i mean its nice if thats what you're into but i just cant stand them.

[crazyhorse]

The equation i gave you is what the SAE uses to figure horsepower... don't believe me look it up. By the way i'm still waiting for the dyno sheet to prove that your numbers were right...



No you said a 450 hp 3500lb car would beat a 600 hp 2800 lb car... you were wrong then, and your still wrong.



Bud i grew up building IMSA style GT cars with my dad, raced go carts and solo miata events over the years, and crew cheifed a local late models team. I promise ive picked up more wrences than you, all while going to school long enough to learn how to do math.

Damn Chef Fans...


I dont have a graph. However, being the genius you claim to be, surely the numbers will be enough for you.

Further, I can appreciate the SAE formula for figuring hp from torque numbers. I never claimed that there wasn't a formula for figuring hp.

I do claim however that a V-8 with less hp than a 4 cylinder can still beat the 4 banger. The reason? Torque. Now, whether the numbers were exact at 600 vs. 450, I will conceed that it is posible for a 600 hp 4 cylinder to beat a 450 hp V8. I also contend that it's possible a 450 horse car can beat a 600 horse ricer.

The point that I was trying to make, that you are having some difficulty with is that low on the band torque "of which the V8 will have much more of" will serve as an equalizer to the higher horse engine.

There were many here that got the point. I would have guessed that with the infinite experience you have with the automotive field as a child would have given you insight to the point of the statement.

I can only assume that because you are challenging me on the numbers that you feel I have made them up. Though I dont have a graph for you, I do have some numbers. The numbers have not been generated on a dyno, they are generated using an engine analyzer. One that takes into account the SAE formula, but isn't limited to it, as you are.

If you would like to challenge the numbers, you can contact performance trends and tell them that thier numbers are incorrect. Tell them that you have read a physics book and that you are infallable. You might add how accurate you are with "math".

I would hope that they are more impressed with your false sense of bravado than am I.

Anyone that has ever turned a wrench knows that there is no one formula that is accurate for all applications. You conceed this point, then act as though there is only one answer for HP. Go figure.

I believe that the challenge here is more your hard on for me than the numbers for HP. So in an attempt to soothe your pain, I have stated that it is possible for a 600 horse ricer to beat a 450 horse power car. But I would like to add, that I was focusing on 4 cylinder characteristics and where they compare to the V8 engine.

Surely, with your experience, you can see that I am correct.

For the record, I never stated that the 450 horse car was 3500 lbs or did I claim it was a 2005 mustang. Other variables you negleted to take into consideration. I was actually thinking about a 65 Mustang. Also a 2800 lb. car.

Since I have afforded you the explanation you asked for, perhaps you can give me that same consideration.

You stated that "all things being constant" that I was wrong. When you say all things being constant, was torque one of the things? Also, do you feel there is any benefit in building a 450 horse V8 over a 450 horse 4 banger? If so, what might those benefits be?

Here are the numbers to show that your formula isn't.....ahem......constant.

[LifersRaiders]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!

>yyyaaawwnnnn< You went and dropped 15K on a POS nip car with a pissant 4 banger that sounds just like Honda's generators. No doubt the previous owner drove the piss out of the thing like it's a rental. If you're a white guy, you're going to look like some wannabe nip punk in that POS. Good luck, fool.

[Beantown Bronco]

Lifer's just jealous because he always wanted a rice rocket but had to settle for a Harley instead. :)

[TheDave]

I believe that the challenge here is more your hard on for me than the numbers for HP. So in an attempt to soothe your pain, I have stated that it is possible for a 600 horse ricer to beat a 450 horse power car. But I would like to add, that I was focusing on 4 cylinder characteristics and where they compare to the V8 engine.

For the record, I never stated that the 450 horse car was 3500 lbs or did I claim it was a 2005 mustang. Other variables you negleted to take into consideration. I was actually thinking about a 65 Mustang. Also a 2800 lb. car.



Thank you for admitting you were wrong. By the way that "ricer" would also beat your 65 mustang.

[DarkHorse]

That's a graph from an engine dyno - has nothing to do with the question/debate at hand but - i'm gonna guess that when you get it on a chassis dyno it puts down about 370hp to the rear wheels. That's my guess give or take 10 hp.

[Alkazar]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!

You actually cancelled a 'Stang order for that??? What were you thinkin? Give me the Mustang any day of the week!

[crazyhorse]

By the way that "ricer" would also beat your 65 mustang.

Yeah, I know, all things being "constant', right?

I noticed you dodged the questions. I dont blame ya.

[TheDave]

Yeah, I know, all things being "constant', right?

I noticed you dodged the questions. I dont blame ya.

You admited you were wrong... no sense in talking to you any more than i have to.

[OrangeShadow]

can we see the mustang you cancelled the order on?

[bpc]

Sweet looking ride. I don't think the green looks that bad.

[bpc]

1972 Convertable Cutlass Supreme... just too sweet!

[crazyhorse]

Sweet looking ride. I don't think the green looks that bad.

His was black with red interior. Here is a white one

[crazyhorse]

Here is the red interior

[GreatBronco16]

Bud i grew up building IMSA style GT cars with my dad, raced go carts and solo miata events over the years, and crew cheifed a local late models team. I promise ive picked up more wrences than you, all while going to school long enough to learn how to do math.

Damn Chef Fans...

Yeah, but can you prove it with a degree or cirtificate or something? At the same time showing pics of you with written evidence of you being a crew chief and a go cart racer? You demand for his evidence, but then provide none of your own?

Now I'm not saying you're lying so don't get me wrong. Just wanted to use your material on yourself.

[crazyhorse]

You admited you were wrong... no sense in talking to you any more than i have to.

On the contrary, I only conceeded it was possible that I was wrong. So please, continue. Nnyah!

[Tombstone RJ]

Dave, Crazy, please just let it go.

Your arguing symantics now, not horsepower, torque, weight, gear ratio, etc.

Fact is, depending on how a car is set up and tuned (engine, suspension, transmission, brakes, chassis, weight, exhaust, electronics, etc.) a 4cyl can crank out gobs of power as can a V6, straight 6, flat 6, V8, etc....

So much is dependent on what the competition is, and how the car is set up. If your just running a quarter mile then all sorts of variables come into play on how you set the car up to perform. Same with road racing, it all depends on set up.

Tuning and engine is a fine art. A well tuned 4 banger can make as much HP as a untuned or badly tuned 454 V8. Torque is another variable that depends on engine tuning, transmission, wheels and tires.

In other words, there are just way too many variables and too many cars tuned too many different ways to argue that one is "better" than the other. Its really just a personal choice. Pick your poison, the good news is, there is a endless amount of vehicles and options out there...

[OrangeShadow]

you wasted that much money on a freakin civic instead of that mustang? your crazy. the mustang will last longer and would absolutley SMOKE the civic. kids these days all wanting cars that look like the fast and the furious cars.

[Liebs]

i think you will have learned your lesson when you try to trade that in for another car at some point

[Bronx33]

NEW RIDE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&indexurl=10&item=4553249367)
I am so pumped, i cancelled my mustang order when i saw this, im gonna stick a new engice in it and some nas, and then i will be all set!


Will 50 clowns be piling out this thing at the circus?






LMAO! J/K

[TheNextStep]

You would rather have that rice burner than a brand new mustang? Give me a GT and that little ricer wouldn't touch it.

I'm saving for this.

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294

I've never really been a mustang guy... but, DAMN, those new mustangs are nice!

I can't believe anybody would want a freakin' Civic over a Mustang either...

[crazyhorse]

Dave, Crazy, please just let it go.

Your arguing symantics now, not horsepower, torque, weight, gear ratio, etc.

Fact is, depending on how a car is set up and tuned (engine, suspension, transmission, brakes, chassis, weight, exhaust, electronics, etc.) a 4cyl can crank out gobs of power as can a V6, straight 6, flat 6, V8, etc....

So much is dependent on what the competition is, and how the car is set up. If your just running a quarter mile then all sorts of variables come into play on how you set the car up to perform. Same with road racing, it all depends on set up.

Tuning and engine is a fine art. A well tuned 4 banger can make as much HP as a untuned or badly tuned 454 V8. Torque is another variable that depends on engine tuning, transmission, wheels and tires.

In other words, there are just way too many variables and too many cars tuned too many different ways to argue that one is "better" than the other. Its really just a personal choice. Pick your poison, the good news is, there is a endless amount of vehicles and options out there...


Have you ever raced go carts? Huh!?

[GreatBronco16]

Actually, he paid way too much for that civic on ebay. The seller said that KBB had the car in the 12-13K range. He won the bid at 15.5K. Way too much. Well I guess the seller is a happy camper. Perhaps he is on to buy one of those new stangs.

[Bronx33]

Actually, he paid way too much for that civic on ebay. The seller said that KBB had the car in the 12-13K range. He won the bid at 15.5K. Way too much. Well I guess the seller is a happy camper. Perhaps he is on to buy one of those new stangs.


Cars set up like this one has are generally driven hard, really hard and when he gets behind the wheel he will drive it hard.This car will be lucky to be running for the next two years unless he got some mechanical support of some sorts.Maintenance will be a contant factor with that car I'am sooooo glad i grew up when i did surrounded by muscle cars and classic hotrods this rice burner thing is hard to stomach.

[GreatBronco16]

Cars set up like this one has are generally driven hard, really hard and when he gets behind the wheel he will drive it hard.This car will be lucky to be running for the next two years unless he got some mechanical support of some sorts.Maintenance will be a contant factor with that car I'am sooooo glad i grew up when i did surrounded by muscle cars and classic hotrods this rice burner thing is hard to stomach.


Yeah I really can't stand them. What I really hate are the ones that can't afford to put anything but a new muffler on them and that's it. They sound like a naked midget running down the road.

[Tombstone RJ]

Have you ever raced go carts? Huh!?

No, but that's how alot of great professional drivers get their start, especially in Europe for F1.

[crazyhorse]

No, but that's how alot of great professional drivers get their start, especially in Europe for F1.

I always wondered why it was Nascar that took off and not F1. The ultimate road race car.

[OrangeShadow]

by the way my wrx would eat that thing for breakfeast