Time to cut Mike Anderson

[TheReverend]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Mike's value is certainly not that great on the surface but he can mentor the young backs on the techniques and stuff about about life (despite that whole weed thing he seemed to be a first class guy). He doesnt have much burst or anything but he is still decent insurance. We cant go into the season with all relative newbies at RB.


Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

You have a great sense of humor, Reverend. :)

[Spider]

:saywhat:
you do understand that MA plays fullback also ? If Kyle Johnson goes down , then it is Hape ...... Care to reconsider ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.
He's a better RB than Q and Sapp, is that a good reason not to cut him?

[scorpio]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

I am a fan of MA and think we need to keep him. I was following you until you said you want to bring Deltha back. I'm not worried that it will ever happen, being that Shanahan was pretty throroughly frustrated with him by the time he left, but jeez. How many chances should we give that guy? Giving him a crack at WR was too much.

I really hope you're trying to be funny. :)

[Northman]

You made some valid points there Reverend but in the long run he is better than more than half our RBs and we are slim at FB.

[ro_50]

There are slim pickings at FB and you can never know w/ injuries at the RB position, which has happened in Denver in recent years.

[labronx]

So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

I too was high on Deltha till the end, seriously though, this kills any credibility, when talking about cutting MA

I guess that's what makes it flip into cool, get it?

:captain:

[broncos love]

Hell we have 50 backs so i dont care either way because we will get some good prodution out of Q, bell, and clarrett this year. You can always find a fb on the market
because their a dime a dozen

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hell we have 50 backs so i dont care either way because we will get some good prodution out of Q, bell, and clarrett this year. You can always find a fb on the market
because their a dime a dozen
You can always find a FB?????????????????????

[TheReverend]

Ah time to address the critics:

SoCal- I love that both of us are pretty in tune in these types of arguments but with slight variations. Newbies... Tatum was a flash in the pan last year and were all hoping he can do the same again... but youre right, we never know. If we're forced to why not let MoC show us what he's got? and if that doesn't work out I know a Heisman trophy winner who has experience with zone blocking. If that doesn't work call Mock and let him rush for 1,000+ yrds.

Spider- If Johnson goes down and Hape doesnt pan out (which he probably wont, but will have 8 catches for 7 TDs this year...?!??!), then lets give Dwayne Carswell some playing time. Throw the house in the backfield and let him injure some linebackers at a running start.

Bronco Beerslug- ...thats why Im cutting them with him.

Scorpio- No. O'Neal was the bomb, and will be once more.

The rest of your comments were too similar to those above.

05 DB Prediction: Willie Middlebrooks plays so well in camp that he gets to choose what position to start at S or CB and then goes to the pro bowl.

[broncos love]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug]You can always find a FB?????????????????????[/QUOTE

kyle johnson came out of the woodwork last year and i really dont think i would be that hard to replace him

[TheReverend]

PS. Brandon Miree would play better than Anderson at FB

[DariusGoingDeep]

where do these fb's hide out?! we could use some depth...

i think it will be a mistake if mike anderson is cut...he is the only back on the team with a lot of experience, and he gives depth at two positions-thats what shanny loves, versatility.

he will help our younger backs get better, and could come in in a pinch and do a fine job, nothing spectacular, but he would get the job done.

[Play2win]

The thing with Deltha, is I don't think he really wants to play football. Everything he has done (as of late), is just going through the motions. I think he is much more interested in clothes shopping than playing football, like in that rediculous segments that used to air on RMSR...

[TheReverend]

Darius- with how valuable roster spots are you dont have 3 FBs on a team. In fact you usually have one and have a back up tight end play if necessary (TE/H-Back). "He'd do just fine" everyone does just fine in denver "nothing spectacular" we have 3 opportunities to be spectacular on the roster already.

Play2Win- Deltha didn't just go through the motions when we played Cinci on Monday night...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

PS. Brandon Miree would play better than Anderson at FB


Really? And what evidence do you have to support your opinion? Miree was an undrafted Free Agent who has never played a down in the NFL.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug]You can always find a FB?????????????????????[/QUOTE

kyle johnson came out of the woodwork last year and i really dont think i would be that hard to replace him
Beleive me, good fullbacks are a rarity in the NFL.

[DariusGoingDeep]

PS. Brandon Miree would play better than Anderson at FB

no :nono:

[TheReverend]

Really? And what evidence do you have to support your opinion? Miree was an undrafted Free Agent who has never played a down in the NFL.

Absolutely none. But Miree is a healthy guy who played pretty well in Europe. Old Mike needs Ben Gay and to ice his groin every day. Don't get me wrong, I love him for what he did for us a few years back, I'm saying cut him for the roster spot

[TheReverend]

Beleive me, good fullbacks are a rarity in the NFL.

Lorenzo Neil, the guy from Washington and as far as good goes, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

[DariusGoingDeep]

[QUOTE=TheReverend]Darius- with how valuable roster spots are you dont have 3 FBs on a team. In fact you usually have one and have a back up tight end play if necessary (TE/H-Back). "He'd do just fine" everyone does just fine in denver "nothing spectacular" we have 3 opportunities to be spectacular on the roster already.QUOTE]


thats exactly right, you said it yourself...roster spots are valuable. MA is a RB, FB, and special teamer...tell me that is not good value out of one roster spot.

[SoCalBronco]

Absolutely none. But Miree is a healthy guy who played pretty well in Europe. Old Mike needs Ben Gay and to ice his groin every day. Don't get me wrong, I love him for what he did for us a few years back, I'm saying cut him for the roster spot

Not quite sure why he needs a washed up Browns RB in the room when he ices his groin but to each his own i suppose.


Oops, that Ben Gay, my bad. :)

[TheReverend]

Id rather have another player with speed on the field for special teams than Mike Anderson.

[TheReverend]

Not quite sure why he needs a washed up Browns RB in the room when he ices his groin but to each his own i suppose.


Oops, that Ben Gay, my bad. :)

I've never come closer to pissing myself from something I read on the internet before this moment. I'm going to attempt to rep you for that one, but I'll probably need to spread some around first.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Id rather have another player with speed on the field for special teams than Mike Anderson.
Like Q? He'd be great wouldn't he?

[-Slap-]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

Sarge fumbles a lot, too. I like him, though.

What's up with the fatal attraction to crappy DBs?

[TheReverend]

Sarge fumbles a lot, too. I like him, though.

What's up with the fatal attraction to crappy DBs?

Haha! I like that one.

[Tredici]

Willie Middlebust gets another training camp to attempt to prove something but Anderson should be cut now?

Um... okay.

[Bronco LB 59]

Age is always going to be a factor in the NFL, but I hate when people emphasize a guy being on the wrong side of 30 as a reason to cut him. How would you like it if you loss your job and your boss' negative perception of your age was a factor in your dismissal?

[DB-Freak]

I just don't think he's good anymore.

He's been slipping and the groin injury doesn't help either.

I love Mike, but I think his roster spot can be utilized a bit better.

[TheReverend]

I just don't think he's good anymore.

He's been slipping and the groin injury doesn't help either.

I love Mike, but I think his roster spot can be utilized a bit better.


This is exactly what Ive been trying to tell everyone. RB will never be a problem for us... lets use the roster spot on something that may be helpful... DL, LB, WR or Ernster as KOS.

Oh, and "Middlebust"... that's just not funny.

[Tredici]

Age is always going to be a factor in the NFL, but I hate when people emphasize a guy being on the wrong side of 30 as a reason to cut him. How would you like it if you loss your job and your boss' negative perception of your age was a factor in your dismissal?

Hate to tell you but it happens everyday in the corporate world.

[Tredici]

This is exactly what Ive been trying to tell everyone. RB will never be a problem for us... lets use the roster spot on something that may be helpful... DL, LB, WR or Ernster as KOS.

Oh, and "Middlebust"... that's just not funny.


If running back is never a problem, how come we can't go through a season without playing a bunch of 'em? It is exactly where it's proven over and over Denver needs insurance players.

[DB-Freak]

I don't mind having MA here.

BUt I certainly won't cry a river if he is cut.

I just hope middletoast or middleburnt breaks out this year.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't mind having MA here.

BUt I certainly won't cry a river if he is cut.

I just hope middletoast or middleburnt breaks out this year.



Oh he will break something but OUT won't be it. Im guessing something on his bad leg.

[GoHAM]

Play2Win- Deltha didn't just go through the motions when we played Cinci on Monday night...

No argument with that statement. But that's the whole enigma of Deltha right there, when he is motivated, like showing up Shanahan, he has and displays all-pro skills as a shut down corner, it's the other 12 or so games that he really doesn't care much about and just goes through the motions. example: 99 yd td he gave up the week before to the browns of all teams

[Jason in LA]

Like it has been said before, MA can play different positions (HB, FB, special teams). And he's a good locker room guy. I don't think he should just be handed a roster spot. But if he shows more worth than some of the other RBs, than yeah, they better keep him.

Rev said Bell is a flash in the pan, and we should see what Clarett can do. BS. Clarett has to earn any playing time he can get. If Bell is the star in camp, then Clarett will be sitting on the bench. Chances are that is what is going to happen. We'll see what he can do if he earns some playing time.

As for O'Neal, he was toast, all the time. He lost his starting job to a journeyman CB (Poole). Then Walls passes him up on the depth chart before training camp even starts. Then Herndon takes his spot a few games into the season after O'Neal is beat a number of times. He was so bad that all the other CBs on the roster passed him up, and he was deactivated, then moved to offense. How many undafted free agents, low round draft picks, and journeymen CBs have to beat this guy out for people...well, I should say one person, to realize that the guy flat out sucks.

[GoHAM]

As for MA he can go or stay for all I care, the running game is the one aspect on this team that I refuse to worry about. No matter how much any one can criticize Shanny and his staff in other areas no one can say one negative word about the running game over the past 10 years. Aside from the Q experiment. ;D


Edit: Forgot about Q for a second there :giggle:

[Mtbrncofn]

Scorpio- No. O'Neal was the bomb, and will be once more.



You seem like a nice guy and that's a really cute pic you've got goin on in your avatar there, but holy ****!! I gotta call :bs: on that one. Keep your stupid ass out of a Bronco uni, Deltha. :-/

[TheReverend]

Like it has been said before, MA can play different positions (HB, FB, special teams). And he's a good locker room guy. I don't think he should just be handed a roster spot. But if he shows more worth than some of the other RBs, than yeah, they better keep him.

Rev said Bell is a flash in the pan, and we should see what Clarett can do. BS. Clarett has to earn any playing time he can get. If Bell is the star in camp, then Clarett will be sitting on the bench. Chances are that is what is going to happen. We'll see what he can do if he earns some playing time.

As for O'Neal, he was toast, all the time. He lost his starting job to a journeyman CB (Poole). Then Walls passes him up on the depth chart before training camp even starts. Then Herndon takes his spot a few games into the season after O'Neal is beat a number of times. He was so bad that all the other CBs on the roster passed him up, and he was deactivated, then moved to offense. How many undafted free agents, low round draft picks, and journeymen CBs have to beat this guy out for people...well, I should say one person, to realize that the guy flat out sucks.

Hey retard, why not read my comment again before calling it "BS"... I said if Bell goes down let's see what Clarett can do. I called Tatum a flash in the pan because he only played a few games but did great.

And about O'Neal... I'm pretty sure he got benched because of attitude problems... not for lack of talent.

[Mtbrncofn]

Oh, and "Middlebust"... that's just not funny.

Ha! I can't remember the last time someone actually called him Middlebrooks around here.

[Jason in LA]

Hey retard, why not read my comment again before calling it "BS"... I said if Bell goes down let's see what Clarett can do. I called Tatum a flash in the pan because he only played a few games but did great.

And about O'Neal... I'm pretty sure he got benched because of attitude problems... not for lack of talent.

"retard"

Don't insult me because I didn't agree with you. No need to act like an ass.

Clarett has to earn his spot. You sound like you are ready to hand it over.

Nobody ever said O'Neal lacked talent. But there is no question that he lacked production.

[TheReverend]

Lacked production... due to a personality conflict with Shanny Im sure. No Im not about to dog Shanny. Im one of the few that love that guy too.

Insult you for no reason? You misquote me then call it bull****. Youd make a perfect SI writer.

[Jason in LA]

Lacked production... due to a personality conflict with Shanny Im sure. No Im not about to dog Shanny. Im one of the few that love that guy too.

Insult you for no reason? You misquote me then call it bull****. Youd make a perfect SI writer.

Misquoted or not, I didn't insult you. Even if you feel I called your opinion BS, that doesn't mean I insulted you.

To make sure I'm not misquoting you, it sounds like you are saying that Shanny is part of the reason that Deltha sucked so bad. If I'm misquoting you, my apologies. But if that's what you are saying, I'm calling BS again. Deltha's problem wasn't that he was getting beat, it's when the ball was coming down he'd never find it. Remember that TD to Rice at Mile High in the Monday Nighter? Deltha was running with him stride for stride. The coverage was perfect. So why was it a TD? Because Deltha never turned to look for the ball. The final straw was the Detroit game in '03. He had perfect coverage on the WR, but when the ball came down Deltha looked lost, and the WR jumped over him to make the TD catch. It's not enough to run with the WR. Deltha was in position to make the plays, but he didn't. The WR won the battle over him just about every time.

It's not Shanny's fault that Deltha could locate the ball. That's all on Deltha. Looks like he didn't fix the problem, seeing that he gave up a 99 yard TD to the Browns.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Ah time to address the critics:

SoCal- I love that both of us are pretty in tune in these types of arguments but with slight variations. Newbies... Tatum was a flash in the pan last year and were all hoping he can do the same again... but youre right, we never know. If we're forced to why not let MoC show us what he's got? and if that doesn't work out I know a Heisman trophy winner who has experience with zone blocking. If that doesn't work call Mock and let him rush for 1,000+ yrds.

Spider- If Johnson goes down and Hape doesnt pan out (which he probably wont, but will have 8 catches for 7 TDs this year...?!??!), then lets give Dwayne Carswell some playing time. Throw the house in the backfield and let him injure some linebackers at a running start.

Bronco Beerslug- ...thats why Im cutting them with him.

Scorpio- No. O'Neal was the bomb, and will be once more.

The rest of your comments were too similar to those above.

05 DB Prediction: Willie Middlebrooks plays so well in camp that he gets to choose what position to start at S or CB and then goes to the pro bowl.

Why would you say that Tatum is a "Flash in the pan" but don't attirbute that lable to "Q". I mean the only reason he got a shot at the starting spot was because he had a good game against Indy and the lose of Portis.

As for MoC, I think that I've made it clear here that I'm not a fan of his. And if all things were considered equal I'd go with MA over MoC. Only for the reason that MA has always been a team guy. When we got Portis he moved to FB. When we gave away Portis he moved back to RB. Played on ST when we were down a guy. $2.5 mil might be too much for a guy that most likely will be a back-up and STer.

The thing of it is I see why Shannhan got MoC, all be it too high, but I see why we got him. If MA doesn't come back from injury and Q doesn't come back from injury Shannahan thinks that he has a guy that can catch the ball out of the back-field well, and might still have a brust to the hole from his college days and at the very least have the bulk to play FB if need be.

[TheReverend]

Misquoted or not, I didn't insult you. Even if you feel I called your opinion BS, that doesn't mean I insulted you.

To make sure I'm not misquoting you, it sounds like you are saying that Shanny is part of the reason that Deltha sucked so bad. If I'm misquoting you, my apologies. But if that's what you are saying, I'm calling BS again. Deltha's problem wasn't that he was getting beat, it's when the ball was coming down he'd never find it. Remember that TD to Rice at Mile High in the Monday Nighter? Deltha was running with him stride for stride. The coverage was perfect. So why was it a TD? Because Deltha never turned to look for the ball. The final straw was the Detroit game in '03. He had perfect coverage on the WR, but when the ball came down Deltha looked lost, and the WR jumped over him to make the TD catch. It's not enough to run with the WR. Deltha was in position to make the plays, but he didn't. The WR won the battle over him just about every time.

It's not Shanny's fault that Deltha could locate the ball. That's all on Deltha. Looks like he didn't fix the problem, seeing that he gave up a 99 yard TD to the Browns.

At least we can be civil about this now.

Remember that one season when O'Neal had, what, 9 INTs? Did our entire 2ndary have 9 last season? But he can't "find the ball"? There's two cliches used over and over again in the defensive backfield. Mottos of CBs:
1. Short-term memory. (Meaning if you get beat, forget about it and maintain confidence and focus)
2. If you're going to **** up, **** up big. (Pick or bust)

I know Im alone on liking O'Neal and Middlebrooks and guess what? I like Gold too and I think Hamilton is a great guard. I get criticized on all those opinions, but from where I stand they play great on the field. Middlebrooks has had some injuries but he'll be back. Deltha was a player that had some issues going on behind the scenes I'm sure.

[TheReverend]

Why would you say that Tatum is a "Flash in the pan" but don't attirbute that lable to "Q". I mean the only reason he got a shot at the starting spot was because he had a good game against Indy and the lose of Portis.

As for MoC, I think that I've made it clear here that I'm not a fan of his. And if all things were considered equal I'd go with MA over MoC. Only for the reason that MA has always been a team guy. When we got Portis he moved to FB. When we gave away Portis he moved back to RB. Played on ST when we were down a guy. $2.5 mil might be too much for a guy that most likely will be a back-up and STer.

The thing of it is I see why Shannhan got MoC, all be it too high, but I see why we got him. If MA doesn't come back from injury and Q doesn't come back from injury Shannahan thinks that he has a guy that can catch the ball out of the back-field well, and might still have a brust to the hole from his college days and at the very least have the bulk to play FB if need be.

Why dont I attribute that to Q? Look a little higher and see I want to cut Griffin.

And ONCE AGAIN, when I said "flash in the pan" i meant he did GREAT on the field. I have no doubts he will be a phenomenal starter the next two years. At that point, I would like to trade him for another of Washington's defensive stars and a draft pick and Clarett can be the man in 08

[watermock]

Mock's adopted Bronco, AKA Freightliner Sapp will emerge this year.

I have been beating him with a stick for three years now. He's starting to snarl at me. It's a good thing. :charge:

I can't believe I tore a ligament in my left foot. Good grief. It's still popping on me. It's not bad but isn't going away. It's not weight bearing, but it's certainly something.

Son of a biatch.

I wouldn't mind, but my right leg has a bad hip, bad knee, bad foot and bad toe.

It's rediculous. My left leg is flawless. or was...

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Why dont I attribute that to Q? Look a little higher and see I want to cut Griffin.

And ONCE AGAIN, when I said "flash in the pan" i meant he did GREAT on the field. I have no doubts he will be a phenomenal starter the next two years. At that point, I would like to trade him for another of Washington's defensive stars and a draft pick and Clarett can be the man in 08


Ahm, "Flash in the pan" means greatness in a short amount of time and then nothing else. As for the second part I'd love for that to happen. but that kind of depends on how well Drouhns does this season too. If Droughns can can break 1000 yards. Heck if he breaks 1500 yards we could get a 1st round plus stuff for Tatum.

[watermock]

I think it's either Sapp or Anderson this year.

One will go.

[Jason in LA]

At least we can be civil about this now.

Remember that one season when O'Neal had, what, 9 INTs? Did our entire 2ndary have 9 last season? But he can't "find the ball"? There's two cliches used over and over again in the defensive backfield. Mottos of CBs:
1. Short-term memory. (Meaning if you get beat, forget about it and maintain confidence and focus)
2. If you're going to **** up, **** up big. (Pick or bust)

I know Im alone on liking O'Neal and Middlebrooks and guess what? I like Gold too and I think Hamilton is a great guard. I get criticized on all those opinions, but from where I stand they play great on the field. Middlebrooks has had some injuries but he'll be back. Deltha was a player that had some issues going on behind the scenes I'm sure.

A big reason why he had so many picks was because QBs picked on him a lot. He gave up more big plays than he made. And that year Walker played very well, giving QBs more reason to throw more passes Deltha's way. Outside of that one year, what did Deltha do? What happened the next year? He dissapeared.

Deltha is the only player on your list that I disagree with. I like Hamilton a lot, and think he's going to go down as one of the top Bronco linemen. I was all for Gold coming back, and think he's getting a bad rap here. He makes an already good LB corp better. Middlebrooks finally showed what he can do last year, but then gets injuried...again. From the reports I've heard, he's still hurting. I've rooted for the guy, like many others, but it's just not working out for him.

But you won't find anybody that will support your argument on Deltha. That guy is a bum. He should have stayed on offense in college.

[TheReverend]

Ahm, "Flash in the pan" means greatness in a short amount of time and then nothing else. As for the second part I'd love for that to happen. but that kind of depends on how well Drouhns does this season too. If Droughns can can break 1000 yards. Heck if he breaks 1500 yards we could get a 1st round plus stuff for Tatum.

I'm trying to refrain from insults as you pick apart every word but interpret it in a different light.

[Play2win]

Ahm, "Flash in the pan" means greatness in a short amount of time and then nothing else. As for the second part I'd love for that to happen. but that kind of depends on how well Drouhns does this season too. If Droughns can can break 1000 yards. Heck if he breaks 1500 yards we could get a 1st round plus stuff for Tatum.

I used to fire Flintlocks (black-powder Rifles) and have experienced a real "Flash in the Pan".

You pull the trigger, see "The Flash", but it never discharges, or fires the shot. It gives you all the indications something is going to happen, but nothing ever does.

It is a real erie feeling, (because with those firearms it take a little longer to fire the shot anyway) not knowing if the shot will fire and how long to wait until you check out the rifle and reload. Black-powder firearms are cool, though. If you've never fired one, you should try it someday. ;D

[Kaylore]

Which running back has the best hands? I'm really asking. I would've said Droughns, and last season didn't look great for Taco Bell. Now is it Anderson? I've heard praise of Maruice that he really catches the ball well. We'll see, I guess, but judging from what Bobby T said, it looks like that ability is critical to winning the starting job.

[TheReverend]

Which running back has the best hands? I'm really asking. I would've said Droughns, and last season didn't look great for Taco Bell. Now is it Anderson? I've heard praise of Maruice that he really catches the ball well. We'll see, I guess, but judging from what Bobby T said, it looks like that ability is critical to winning the starting job.

The only 2 I've heard pos. things about in this area are Quentin and Clarett.

[Mediator12]

No argument with that statement. But that's the whole enigma of Deltha right there, when he is motivated, like showing up Shanahan, he has and displays all-pro skills as a shut down corner, it's the other 12 or so games that he really doesn't care much about and just goes through the motions. example: 99 yd td he gave up the week before to the browns of all teams

Well if Jake did not throw a bad ball Lelie would have had an 80 yarder in that game on Deltha. Lelie had to dive made a great catch and was ruled incomplete on REPLAY. Deltha was beat horribly on that play. That was the first turning point of that fateful game.

[Odysseus]

I used to fire Flintlocks (black-powder Rifles) and have experienced a real "Flash in the Pan".

You pull the trigger, see "The Flash", but it never discharges, or fires the shot. It gives you all the indications something is going to happen, but nothing ever does.

It is a real erie feeling, (because with those firearms it take a little longer to fire the shot anyway) not knowing if the shot will fire and how long to wait until you check out the rifle and reload. Black-powder firearms are cool, though. If you've never fired one, you should try it someday. ;D

I shoot Sharpe's .54 caliber breech loader and like cutting barbed wire. When I do presentations regarding the Antebellum South, Civil War and Indian wars I get to show off at the end of my presentations. It's amazing how accurate you can be with this old stuff.

I like the double barrelled .50 caliber from Cabela's. Flintlocks are totally different from what I call "normal" black powder. The new generation of black powder is using faster and hotter loads than even 5 years ago. The new sabots are so accurate it's closer to cartridge loading than ever before. I highly reccommend giving it a try. :thumbsup:

[Mediator12]

At least we can be civil about this now.

Remember that one season when O'Neal had, what, 9 INTs? Did our entire 2ndary have 9 last season? But he can't "find the ball"? There's two cliches used over and over again in the defensive backfield. Mottos of CBs:
1. Short-term memory. (Meaning if you get beat, forget about it and maintain confidence and focus)
2. If you're going to **** up, **** up big. (Pick or bust)

I know Im alone on liking O'Neal and Middlebrooks and guess what? I like Gold too and I think Hamilton is a great guard. I get criticized on all those opinions, but from where I stand they play great on the field. Middlebrooks has had some injuries but he'll be back. Deltha was a player that had some issues going on behind the scenes I'm sure.

Two things:

1. Deltha got to play zone coverage in Greg Robinson's scheme's of feast and famine. Five of those nine INT's came from Trent green with four being in one game. He was never able to play man press coverage worth a crap. Therefore, as Coyer revamped the "D" schemes to more man Coverage Deltha's lack of discipline gave up the final TD and three completions on NE's game winning drive in Denver in 2003. That was the final Straw.

2. Willie Middlebrooks is all but gone this year. Read Courtney Brown but with legal problems. The main thing is that he has not been on the field for any of the three playoff losses since he has been here. He is not reliable, even though he is Talented. However, you have to play in crunch time to be a playmaker.

[Atlas]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.
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I think we can wait until training camp to cut him.

I'd take him over Q any day.

[Taco John]

:saywhat:
you do understand that MA plays fullback also ? If Kyle Johnson goes down , then it is Hape ...... Care to reconsider ?


Personally, I think our offense/running game is better when our FB weighs about 10-13 more pounds than Mike runs. I like Mike, though. He's a reliable guy. Just not my ideal runningback/fullback. He has contributed as a steady player, and I like him in on third down, to be sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing him retire as a Bronco.

[MileHighMania]

The only 2 I've heard pos. things about in this area are Quentin and Clarett.

Q likes putting the ball on the ground... he's the RB that I have the lowest trust factor with at this point.

[baja]

The time to even consider cutting Mike Anderson is after training camp and pre season

[orange 4 life]

mike is one of the leaders of the team.

mike has history with the team.

mike has a 1400+ yard season under his belt.

mike is a strong character guy.

mike can play fullback.

mike can mentor the young backs.

mike does the mile high salute after scoring ;D .

mike has value on special teams.

mike anderson is a valuable member of this football team in many ways, and barring any unforeseen circumstances, his roster spot should be secured.
:Broncos:

jake

[jebures]

Really? And what evidence do you have to support your opinion? Miree was an undrafted Free Agent who has never played a down in the NFL.

Yah well, you are wrong about him being undrafted, we got him in the seventh round. Before his injury his senior year he was considered a late first day pick, so obviously he has got talent. I agree with the whole Mike Anderson being cut deal, and I also agree I loved Deltha O'Neal. You have to admit he added some excitement to our games. You never knew what u were gonna get from him. One game he looks like the greatest corner we have ever had and then he plays like "toast"

[DB-Freak]

LOL

This value as mentor issue is hilarious.

[rbackfactory80]

I don't understand the fascination a lot of fans have with MA. He had a great rookie year with us and since has been suspended for weed, played average at fullback, one good preseason game after a couple embarassing performances, and been on IR. He's in his thirties and taking up roster and cap space. Let's cut him, Quentin, and Sapp and shore up roster spots for our loyal army of corners and revamped DL... maybe even save one for Adams, BJ, or Nate at WR.

Ah well, Im sure Im going to get gang yelled at for this one. So while I'm at it, I'll remind you all I want a trade to bring Deltha O'Neal back to Denver... love that guy.

NAH dude, mike needs to stay.

[Spider]

Personally, I think our offense/running game is better when our FB weighs about 10-13 more pounds than Mike runs. I like Mike, though. He's a reliable guy. Just not my ideal runningback/fullback. He has contributed as a steady player, and I like him in on third down, to be sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing him retire as a Bronco.
;D still better then Hape

[DivineLegion]

Brandon Miree anyone???

[Crushaholic]

and I like him in on third down, to be sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing him retire as a Bronco.

MA is probably past the point where he could contribute on an every down basis, but I think he could still get those tough 3rd down yards and be an effective role player. That's all I'm asking. Be a role player. He's already agreed to "role player" money in the past. You don't find many people in the NFL these days that are willing to take a back seat when the situation calls for it.

[Play2win]

;D still better then Hape

Hey, watch your use of Four-Letter Words on the board. ;D

[Play2win]

1. Deltha got to play zone coverage in Greg Robinson's scheme's of feast and famine. Five of those nine INT's came from Trent green with four being in one game. He was never able to play man press coverage worth a crap. Therefore, as Coyer revamped the "D" schemes to more man Coverage Deltha's lack of discipline gave up the final TD and three completions on NE's game winning drive in Denver in 2003. That was the final Straw.

You got that right. I had already said what a Liability Deltha was, talent or no talent, in the end it comes down to production.

Then, on one of the most critical play of the season, when the team really needed him to come through, he lays a big, fat GOOSE EGG.

I don't know what the coaches were thinking, but to put Deltha in there, Knowing he has the tendency to give it up in crucial situations. I just don't know. Maybe they want to challenge him, and make him respond. Well, atleast it got that Looser off our team, I can be thankful for that.

It still blows me away that New England got out of that game with a win. :gus: :cuss: :redpunch:

[Ballhawk]

If Mike is one of the top 6 backs he stays if not...well cya. We only need to carry 5 backs, but MA could be the 6th for all the pro-Mike reasons already listed. He will not be the featured back, and Kyle will be the FB (who I hope has another level to raise his game).

I think if Dayne and Mo perform well enough for Shanny to feel comfortable with them starting Mike is gone and the spot will be used on a younger talent.

[Bronco Yoda]

Mike is our soldier... if anyone get's a pass it's him. Mike gets a thumbs up from me.

[Odysseus]

Mike is our soldier... if anyone get's a pass it's him. Mike gets a thumbs up from me.

Anyone laughing at MA mentoring the RB needs to slap themselves with both hands then throw themselves down a flight of stairs.

The talent side of the equation has to be settled in training camp. I want to see how far Mike can go and how much he has in the tank before I summarily draw a line in the sky and say too old.

[bendog]

Thing about MA is that if Tater goes out for even a couple of games, Den has the options of Q (no, not as a 3down back) Dayne (who up till now is a fat flop) and MO (who maybe a player someday but who has less than 2 years college experience, a 2 year layoff, and no experience in picking up a blitz)

Thing I don't like about MA is that he has little speed, not great hands, and has some mileage .... Dayne has all those attributes.

[Atlas]

Anyone laughing at MA mentoring the RB needs to slap themselves with both hands then throw themselves down a flight of stairs.

The talent side of the equation has to be settled in training camp. I want to see how far Mike can go and how much he has in the tank before I summarily draw a line in the sky and say too old.

Marines are tough bastards

[F**kOakland]

I agree Marines are tough, Mike is old but he has not played alot of football Being from Utah,I just got to love this guy!! Deltha was a bust and those of you who want too see him back in a Bronco uniform are nuts..do you remember him running down the field dogding tackles and showboating, come on best wishes to his ass in Cinn-Cinn but good riddance to a poor attitude. We need as many running backs as the roster will allow so why not keep a guy who can contribute in other areas. AND FINALLY IF YOU PULLED YOUR GROIN FROM THE BONE AND WANT TO COME BACK, IN MY BOOK YOU GET AT LEAST A CHANCE TO PROVE YOURSELF.


p.s. IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE ON THE SQUAD OR NOT WHY ARE YOU NOT AT TRAINING CAMP WITH THE BRONCOS AS THEIR NEW RUNNING BACKS COACH!!!!!!!!!


SEMPER FI- GO GET SOME MIKE