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PatsWin2002
06-01-2005, 08:08 PM
Here's a new national article on Shanny:

Shanahan’s now a second-chance kind of guy
Broncos coach raising eyebrows with slew of odd offseason moves

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Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has made some of the most notable offseason moves this year, signing Jerry Rice, drafting Maurice Clarett and trading for Todd Sauerburn.

ASK THE NFL EXPERT
By Don Pierson
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 9:12 p.m. ET June 1, 2005

You can take Mike Shanahan out of Oakland, but you can’t take the Raider mentality out of Mike Shanahan. The Denver Broncos coach has been gone from the Raiders for 15 years and has coached almost 150 more games in Denver than he did in Oakland. Yet the urge to attract wayward players curiously resurfaced this offseason.

It’s a Raider tradition to serve as the NFL’s rescue mission. The Raiders never met a player they couldn’t rehabilitate, refocus, revive and return to useful service.

The Broncos spent their offseason collecting a huddle full of underachievers, injury cases, troublemakers and one very over-the-hill receiver who used to be Jerry Rice. Even the Raiders gave up on the 42-year-old Rice two seasons ago.

Maurice Clarett and Todd Sauerbrun somehow both ended up in Denver after serving as posterchild thorns in the NFL's sensitive side.

Clarett was drafted in round three after sitting out two college seasons and trying to challenge the league’s sacrosanct rules for pro eligibility. Sauerbrun managed to embarrass the league on two fronts-an ongoing steroid investigation in Carolina and a guilty plea to drunken driving.

If the Raiders can turn Sebastian Janikowski into a reasonably productive kicker, the Broncos figure they can salvage the boom-and-bust punting career of Sauerbrun.

The Broncos also signed four defensive linemen from the Cleveland Browns-former No. 1 picks Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren and discarded Dallas Cowboys Ebenezer Ekuban and Michael Myers. The latter two arrived via trade for running back Reuben Droughns, whom the Broncos really did resuscitate after a failed start in Detroit.

When new Cleveland Browns’ general manager Phil Savage was questioned about letting go of an entire defensive unit, he responded: “Those four linemen were on a defense that was ranked 32d (against the run). Somebody tell me what the big to-do is. If we added four linemen from a team that was ranked 32d in run defense, I think you guys would have asked me about that right off the bat.”

So the questions were directed instead toward Shanahan, who had hired former Browns’ defensive line coach Andre Patterson off of Butch Davis’ fired staff.

Brown was the first overall pick in the 2000 draft and Warren was third in 2001 but neither lived up to promise.

On Brown, Shanahan said, “He’s stepping in and playing. The question is can he stay healthy? And I think that’s where he is. He wants to step up, too. Here’s the guy who was the first pick of the draft, he wants to get to another level too. He’s tired of being hurt.”

And on Warren: “He’s got a lot of athletic ability and the guy who coached him really thinks he's got a lot of upside. We thought he was worth a chance. Once you’ve got a coach who feels good about somebody who has lot of athletic ability, you don’t mind taking a chance.”

And famous last words, sounding like an echo from previous Cleveland coaches frustrated by Warren's lazy work ethic: “A big part of him coming in would be the offseason program, getting himself in great shape, giving himself a chance to be successful.”

Before adding Clarett to their corps of running backs, Shanahan signed another ex-No. 1 draft choice, Ron Dayne, who spent five long, unhappy seasons proving he couldn't play for the New York Giants.

Because the list of successful Denver running backs is as long as it is obscure, Shanahan figures it must be the system. An impressive roll of 1,000-yard rushers — Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis and Droughns-can attest to that. Not one of them was a first-round draft pick.

Offensive tackle Anthony Clement couldn’t make it on Denny Green’s rebuilding Arizona Cardinals, but Shanahan found room for him. The Cardinals, after all, couldn’t live with quarterback Jake Plummer, now a Bronco of course.

In Denver’s thin air, Sauerbrun might just become the first to punt a football into orbit. To be sure, he’ll try. But Sauerbrun has been punting on thin ice for years, ever since the Chicago Bears made him a second-round draft choice and couldn’t live with his off-field antics.

An investigation into a South Carolina doctor that led to a medical license suspension centered around several Panthers including Sauerbrun who were allegedly accepting prescriptions for illegal steroids. Sauerbrun at first told CBS television that he liked the doctor a lot, then called back to say he didn't know the guy at all. The Broncos expect his punting to be more consistent than his memory.

As for Rice, the Broncos answered an e-mail message from agent Jim Steiner, who put out the word that the GOAT — “Greatest of All Time” — was looking for work.

To be a 42-year old and be able to do what I am doing is amazing,” Rice said on the NFL Network. “There's going to be some negativity. That’s OK. It’s about the love of the game.”

Shanahan made no promises.

“I told Jerry that I don't know if he’s lost a step or two steps, but you’re going to come here for one reason and that's to compete with the other guys,” Shanahan said. “And if you’re one of our top five guys at the end of camp, then you’re going to be on our football team. If you’re not, I said I’d have one of the toughest jobs in the world.”

If Rice can’t make it there, chances are he can’t make it anywhere. Denver has suddenly become the last stop on the NFL train for a lot of players. For Clarett, it’s only the beginning of a journey. At least that's what the Broncos hope.

Jason in LA
06-01-2005, 08:58 PM
Shanny seems to be doing what he did right before the Broncos won their first Super Bowl. He brought in a lot of castoffs from other teams at a cheap price. He took a chance on a number of guys, and it paid off. He got away from that after the two titles. He started throwing money at big name free agents every year. Some of them had baggage. It wasn't wise to throw big money at guys like Dale Carter and IHOP. Bad guys with a lot of money is a problem. The money is in the bank, so they have nothing to prove. And because of all the money given out it limited what the Broncos could do. This offseason it looks like Shanny went back to what worked a while back. Bring in a bunch of castoffs at a very cheap price, and hope some of the work out. If that happens, the Broncos will be sitting pretty. The Broncos aren't depending on one guy to come in and make the difference. If Brown doesn't work out, Ekuban might, and it works out. They aren't counting on all these guys to turn it around. Just a few of them. All the key players are back from last year's team. If a few of these players work out, that could be the extra little bit the Broncos need to get over the hump. These castoffs aren't making big money, so they have a lot to play for. Warren is looking to get a big contract, and Brown has a lot of incentives. These guys are hungry, just like the guys who Shanny brought in before the title run.

Pat Bowlen
06-01-2005, 11:05 PM
Great. Now if only that second-chance mentality would rub off on some of our cheerleaders...

Traveler
06-02-2005, 09:05 AM
Great. Now if only that second-chance mentality would rub off on some of our cheerleaders...


HUH? Did I miss something here?

Ray Finkle
06-02-2005, 09:08 AM
I am sick of hearing about this crap.....he really brought in two or three players with character questions (Sau-how ever you spell, Clarrett, and Warren) but somehow people over look the fact that the core is still Rod, Lynch, Nalen, Bailey, and Wilson.....just because they bring a few characters does not make this the Raiders....maybe the writers should do some actual research instead of taking the easy way out....

watermock
06-02-2005, 09:09 AM
Can we have 16 year old cheerleaders now...pleeaze?

watermock
06-02-2005, 09:12 AM
No, I find this totally amusing.

Bring in Doss, let him ride in on his horse and shoot the town up. It's a cowntown right?

Yee Haw...lets show the Raiders how its done in the real west!

RhymesayersDU
06-02-2005, 09:12 AM
Great. Now if only that second-chance mentality would rub off on some of our cheerleaders...

Just as soon as you bust out the fur coat big guy.

Tredici
06-02-2005, 09:25 AM
My question is, since when HASN'T Shanahan been a second chance type of guy?

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2005, 09:27 AM
I don't think one could deny Sauerbrun as a second chance type of situation...but I would hardly consider Rice and Clarett "wayward" players in a negative context.

"So the questions were directed instead toward Shanahan, who had hired former Browns’ defensive line coach Andre Patterson off of Butch Davis’ fired staff."

The key words here are 'Butch Davis'.

"Cleveland coaches frustrated by Warren's lazy work ethic: “A big part of him coming in would be the offseason program, getting himself in great shape, giving himself a chance to be successful.”

The keyword here is Cleveland. Where was the incentive to play in Cleveland?

It's getting lamer from sports media (if that's possible) with regards to our team. WhenTF were the retard sandwiches passed out? We aren't Cleveland....never have been...in fact...during history...we're the team that kicks Clevelands butt...and I don't expect that to change. All those players will come in and perform.....because if they won't or can't...they won't be here. Ask Daryl Gardner. That's one of the huge differences between us and Cleveland.

On to Clarett,...this guy has done nothing illegal. Sure he challeged the system....BFD...in some regards..that makes him a hero. Least we forget if it wasn't for some of the BS double standards implemented by the NCAA....we wouldn't have probably been in the position to even draft him. If people want to hold his 18 year-old life against for ages to come...fine....but then lets pull the skeletons out of their closet too.

Ballhawk
06-02-2005, 09:44 AM
On to Clarett,...this guy has done nothing illegal. Sure he challeged the system....BFD...in some regards..that makes him a hero. Least we forget if it wasn't for some of the BS double standards implemented by the NCAA....we wouldn't have probably been in the position to even draft him. If people want to hold his 18 year-old life against for ages to come...fine....but then lets pull the skeletons out of their closet too.

Umm Lying on an insurance claim is not illegal ??? Trying to throw your old team and teammates under the bus makes someone a hero ???

No one had a problem with him sueing the NFL to get into the league early, but even then he pouted and did not know when to let it go. Look at how Williams handeled the situation. When the decision came that the NFL could keep him out, he tried to go back to USC, when that did not work out, he kept himself in shape and acted like a professional.

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2005, 10:00 AM
"Umm Lying on an insurance claim is not illegal ??? Trying to throw your old team and teammates under the bus makes someone a hero ???

No one had a problem with him sueing the NFL to get into the league early, but even then he pouted and did not know when to let it go. Look at how Williams handeled the situation. When the decision came that the NFL could keep him out, he tried to go back to USC, when that did not work out, he kept himself in shape and acted like a professional."

False Insurance claims are certainly illegal...but was he charged with that at anytime? What I want to know is how would anyone know that he made a false insurance claim without being charged for it? All transactions between him and his insurance company are subject to privacy. Again...I don't know if he was detained and charged for that.

In the regard that he challeged the system and being viewed as a hero:

Some might view him that way. That's what I said...and that's what I meant.

Like I said...he's a kid...he's done nothing wrong outside of...false insurance claim. People need to ease up on the guy. As far as the shape of Mike 'the hype' Williams...we shall see.

telluride
06-02-2005, 10:03 AM
This seems to be slightly off point. Most of these guys are ne'er do wells, but they don't seem to be complete scofflaws, as the article implies. More just screw-ups. So if they come here and manage to contribute, great. If not, well we did not blow the bank nor lock them into long deals. Seems a reasonable risk. Personally I'd like to see us draft better and hang on to emerging talent better, and then be saved such experiments, but hey.

Again: expect little, be pleased at more.

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2005, 10:16 AM
This seems to be slightly off point. Most of these guys are ne'er do wells, but they don't seem to be complete scofflaws, as the article implies. More just screw-ups. So if they come here and manage to contribute, great. If not, well we did not blow the bank nor lock them into long deals. Seems a reasonable risk. Personally I'd like to see us draft better and hang on to emerging talent better, and then be saved such experiments, but hey.

Again: expect little, be pleased at more.

Indeed

Rohirrim
06-02-2005, 10:21 AM
Just looking at Sourbrown it's hard to imagine the guy ever touched a steroid. Maybe he thought they were suppositories or something. Whatever. Doesn't look like they had much effect. He's the one guy out of the whole "castoffs" bunch that I feel good about. It would be nice, for once, to see a bunch of Bronco coverage guys actually surrounding the punt receiver when the ball comes down. Gives that punt catcher the time to make a stupid mistake. I'm still depressed about all these other moves (especially Clarett). Hopefully, these guys will kick ass and I'll forget all about it. I guess part of the reason I don't post as much anymore is I just can't shake the feeling that Shanny has screwed up this team for years to come. Hopefully, he proves me wrong. All this Griese, Carter, IHOP crap has worn me down and this off season smells like more of the same - but worse. I've never wanted to be proved more wrong than now.

Jason in LA
06-02-2005, 11:12 AM
Clarett made a good point awhile back when he was answering questions about his character issues. He said that teams shouldn't worry about him off the field, because the rules that he broke were NCAA rules, which don't apply in the NFL. Kind of a smart ass comment, but you know what, he's right. He hasn't done anything off the field that is illegal, or atleast anything we know about. He didn't beat anybody up, or do drugs. He didn't steal anything. There haven't been any reports about him being a "bad guy". I'd say he made a bad decision in trying to get paid before his time. And he came off looking like a brat for doing it. But didn't John Elway look like the biggest brat ever when he was drafted? I'm not worried about Clarett's character issues. I'm more worried about him taking two years off. But that won't really matter if Bell proves to be the real deal, and stays healthy.

bloodsunday
06-02-2005, 11:14 AM
When new Cleveland Browns’ general manager Phil Savage was questioned about letting go of an entire defensive unit, he responded: “Those four linemen were on a defense that was ranked 32d (against the run). Somebody tell me what the big to-do is. If we added four linemen from a team that was ranked 32d in run defense, I think you guys would have asked me about that right off the bat.”
I guess we should look for Cleveland to be the #1 run defense this season, since clearly Brown, Warren, Meyers, and Ekuban were the problem. By the way, all you got in return for them was a disgruntled halfback turned fullback turned halfback again. Good move Phil you pompous, arogant, Billick clone.

Jason in LA
06-02-2005, 11:15 AM
One thing we have to remember is that in the past the Broncos have paid big money for bad character guys, and got burned. This offseason they didn't spend much, and aren't counting on one single player to work out. If two or three of them work out it was well worth it. But they don't need them all to work out.

bloodsunday
06-02-2005, 11:17 AM
Who cares? Anyone else think Shanny likes the PR?

I know this: watching Jerry Rice walk around practice yesterday and introduce himself as "Jerry" to everyone was classic. Maybe Shanny is on to something will all these moves.

bloodsunday
06-02-2005, 11:19 AM
No, I find this totally amusing.

Bring in Doss, let him ride in on his horse and shoot the town up. It's a cowntown right?

Yee Haw...lets show the Raiders how its done in the real west!
I agree, let's do it. What the hell. We'll give the national media something to write about. Besides, if Moss starts running wide open, Doss can pop a cap in em.

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2005, 11:23 AM
I agree, let's do it. What the hell. We'll give the national media something to write about. Besides, if Moss starts running wide open, Doss can pop a cap in em.


What was that movie..."The last boyscott"...that Raider that was shooting defenders as he was running down the field.

Atlas
06-02-2005, 11:58 AM
Shanny's pickups before that helped Denver go to the Superbowl. Does anyone see any similarities here???

Controversial Romo
Old Neil Smith
underachieving Alfred Williams
Slow; cut by Giants Ed McCaffery
Injury Prone Mark Schlereth
Ego maniac Darrian Gordan

Atlas
06-02-2005, 12:01 PM
No, I find this totally amusing.

Bring in Doss, let him ride in on his horse and shoot the town up. It's a cowntown right?

Yee Haw...lets show the Raiders how its done in the real west!

Hmmmmmm...... Doss would certainly help the secondary

Tredici
06-02-2005, 12:04 PM
"So the questions were directed instead toward Shanahan, who had hired former Browns’ defensive line coach Andre Patterson off of Butch Davis’ fired staff."

The key words here are 'Butch Davis'.



I think even those key words are misleading. The key words should be Romeo Crennel. It is not at all unusual for a new guy to clean house and bring in his own staff. -- Regardless of previous performance.

watermock
06-02-2005, 12:13 PM
"rolls over on his back on top of his injun saddle...Whoo hoo...As I take down all contenders with my Peacmaker...riding backwards..."

Hey it's better than a wet dream.

kappys
06-02-2005, 12:14 PM
I guess we should look for Cleveland to be the #1 run defense this season, since clearly Brown, Warren, Meyers, and Ekuban were the problem. By the way, all you got in return for them was a disgruntled halfback turned fullback turned halfback again. Good move Phil you pompous, arogant, Billick clone.

No he's definetely right. Cleveland's poor run defense was only the fault of the D-line, and had nothing to do with the piss poor tackling of their LB's, or the fact that their offense never managed more than 2 first downs during a quarter.

Gee Phil how should the opposing coach play your team when he's amassed a big lead, knows your offense can't do anything, and just has to kill the clock?

Jason in LA
06-02-2005, 12:55 PM
Shanny's pickups before that helped Denver go to the Superbowl. Does anyone see any similarities here???

Controversial Romo
Old Neil Smith
underachieving Alfred Williams
Slow; cut by Giants Ed McCaffery
Injury Prone Mark Schlereth
Ego maniac Darrian Gordan

He also brought back Tyron Braxton and converted him into a safety, where Braxton became a Pro Bowl player. He brought back Keith Traylor, and converted him into a DT. He had everybody scratching their heads when he drafted Mobley in the first round. I don't think anybody was beating down Ray Crockett or Howard Griffin's door when Shanny picked them up. Then he gets Tony Jones for a 2nd round pick. He brought in a bunch of guys that were castoffs, for next to nothing, and it payed big time. Hopefully this new crop of castoffs will turnout to be the same. I'm hoping Shanny is done throwing big money at castoff players. All of these guys that were brought in have a lot to prove, so they are hungry, just like the bunch that Shanny brought in a while back. Guys like IHOP and Dale Carter had the money in the bank, so they had nothing to prove.

baja
06-02-2005, 12:59 PM
He also brought back Tyron Braxton and converted him into a safety, where Braxton became a Pro Bowl player. He brought back Keith Traylor, and converted him into a DT. He had everybody scratching their heads when he drafted Mobley in the first round. I don't think anybody was beating down Ray Crockett or Howard Griffin's door when Shanny picked them up. Then he gets Tony Jones for a 2nd round pick. He brought in a bunch of guys that were castoffs, for next to nothing, and it payed big time. Hopefully this new crop of castoffs will turnout to be the same. I'm hoping Shanny is done throwing big money at castoff players. All of these guys that were brought in have a lot to prove, so they are hungry, just like the bunch that Shanny brought in a while back. Guys like IHOP and Dale Carter had the money in the bank, so they had nothing to prove.

Good memory - wonderful post :thumbs:

rbackfactory80
06-02-2005, 01:17 PM
One thing we have to remember is that in the past the Broncos have paid big money for bad character guys, and got burned. This offseason they didn't spend much, and aren't counting on one single player to work out. If two or three of them work out it was well worth it. But they don't need them all to work out.

Exactly, they spent a couple million on many different players. I cant wait for this season to start. All the bad press we get will just fuel us and our bad defensive line, that all these idiots talk about will play much more effectively now that they will not be on the field all game long. Cleveland had no offense we do. This balance must pay off. No risk no reward.

clarker
06-02-2005, 02:57 PM
He also brought back Tyron Braxton and converted him into a safety, where Braxton became a Pro Bowl player. He brought back Keith Traylor, and converted him into a DT. He had everybody scratching their heads when he drafted Mobley in the first round. I don't think anybody was beating down Ray Crockett or Howard Griffin's door when Shanny picked them up. Then he gets Tony Jones for a 2nd round pick. He brought in a bunch of guys that were castoffs, for next to nothing, and it payed big time. Hopefully this new crop of castoffs will turnout to be the same. I'm hoping Shanny is done throwing big money at castoff players. All of these guys that were brought in have a lot to prove, so they are hungry, just like the bunch that Shanny brought in a while back. Guys like IHOP and Dale Carter had the money in the bank, so they had nothing to prove.This post and the one quoted are the reasons I laugh when people say that Shanny won with Reeves and Phillips team, like Gruden did with Tampa.

13 of 22 starters on their 97/98 Super Bowl winning teams were either drafted by or signed as free agents by Shanny and co.

I don't know if this batch of bargin basement guys will do half as good as the first, but it is better than giving the IHOP's of the world 50 million every year.

elsid13
06-02-2005, 03:16 PM
Has Warren show up and work his butt off this off season??? OR is he just lay back like he did in Cleveland.