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DBroncos4life
05-30-2005, 01:03 PM
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Picking sides no easy task for Gold, Williams
By Patrick Saunders
Denver Post Staff Writer



In 2004, Broncos freewheeling, playmaking linebacker D.J. Williams was a star in the making, finishing third in the voting for defensive rookie of the year.

In 2002, Broncos third-year linebacker Ian Gold was a lightning-fast, havoc-wreaking star in the making. He had 166 tackles and 6 1/2 sacks.

In 2005, the Broncos have both linebackers on their roster. That's the good news. The bad news? Both prefer playing weakside linebacker as opposed to the less glamorous, blue-collar job of anchoring the strong side.

The solution is a compromise of sorts, one the Broncos hope will allow Williams and Gold to chase down ball carriers, sack quarterbacks and cause turnovers.

"What the coaches thought would be fair is both D.J. and I get to play some on the weak side," Gold said last week during the Broncos' quarterback camp. "It's fair to me and it's fair to D.J."

What's the big deal about playing weakside linebacker?

Typically, the strongside linebacker lines up on the same side as the tight end and often plays the tight end in man-to-man pass coverage.

"Nobody wants to do that," Gold said. "It takes you away from the play. Even if the tight end stays in on a block, you have to stay with him and keep your eyes on him, as opposed to chasing down the ball carrier."

The weakside linebacker has more freedom. His job is to run sideline-to-sideline to hunt running backs. Typically, the weakside linebacker leads the team in tackles, and he's also the lightest linebacker. Gold weighs about 220 pounds. Williams is listed at 242.

Although Gold likely will see more time on the weak side, coach Mike Shanahan said last week Williams will not be stuck doing the dirty work on the strong side while Gold is set free to make plays.

"They'll both be playing strong and weak," Shanahan said.

Essentially, Gold will play what Shanahan calls the "reduction" linebacker role, something Buccaneers star Derrick Brooks thrives in with Tampa Bay. Gold will play primarily on the weak side.

When Gold played for Tampa Bay last season, he played almost exclusively at strongside linebacker. Given the Buccaneers had Brooks playing on the weak side, playing Gold on the strong side made sense. But Gold didn't care for the position as his tackle total fell to 71.

"I hated every second of it," he said. "Don't get me wrong. I was out there and I was competitive and I did everything I could to help the team. But it didn't allow me to play my game."

When Gold signed as a free agent this offseason, he received a five-year deal that included an $8.5 million signing bonus. But money was only part of the reason Gold returned to his roots.

"Yeah,




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it's fair to say I wanted to play weak side, and coming back here gives me a chance to do that," Gold said.
Williams admits it will be an adjustment moving to the other side of the field, however, he doesn't foresee a defensive scheme that erases his playmaking ability.

"The Will (weak side) is a lot freer, but the way we scheme and the way we set it up here, the Sam linebacker is not going to be taking on a lot of the grunt work or taking on lead blockers," Williams said.

Last season, Williams had a team-high 114 tackles, marking the first time in 32 years a rookie led the Broncos in tackles. This season, Williams is going to have to be more versatile. As a consequence, his number of tackles will likely drop.

"It takes some adjusting at a new position," Williams said. "I'm still reading and then reacting instead of just reacting. But when I'm on the (weak) side that I normally play, I'm a little bit faster."

Linebackers are often asked to switch roles. Indianapolis linebacker David Thornton moved from weak side to strong side in 2004 and saw his numbers drop. After leading the Colts with 158 tackles in 2003, Thornton had 98 last season, second on the team.

Houston linebacker Morlon Greenwood, signed by the Texans as a free agent from Miami this offseason, saw his numbers rise when he switched from the strong side to the weak side. In 2003 with the Dolphins, he played primarily on the strong side and was credited with 85 tackles. Last season, he split time between the two linebacker roles and recorded a career-high 133 tackles.

Gold said he wasn't promised he would play exclusively on the weak side when he returned to Denver, but said that's where he can best help the team.

"That's where they know I'm best suited," he said. "But at the same time, D.J. is going to be a great player, and the more he studies the better he's going to get. I'm sure we'll work something out where we get a chance to make our plays."

Patrick Saunders can be reached at 303-820-5459 or psaunders@denverpost.com.

Jason in LA
05-30-2005, 01:35 PM
This to me is a no brainer. Gold is better suited for the weakside, and DJ the strong side. Why are the coaches even letting this be an issue? It's the coaches call. The players need to play where they are told and deal with it.

watermock
05-30-2005, 01:43 PM
This is Bullshiat.

Now D.J. is supposed to learn both positions? This is so assbackwards it's not even funny.

Both are allready whining. All I'm hearing is "Gold will do this, Gold will do that.."

Last season, Williams had a team-high 114 tackles, marking the first time in 32 years a rookie led the Broncos in tackles.

So let's bring in a 220 pound "reduction" linebacker, whatever the F that is, and move the first LB to lead the Broncos in tackles as a rookie.

It's ludicrous to say the least. Not only that, instead of bringing in a true Sam, we spend our biggest chunk of our Free Agent money to take the place of an emerging star. And D.J. has never played Sam.

-Slap-
05-30-2005, 01:49 PM
In 2002, Broncos third-year linebacker Ian Gold was a lightning-fast, havoc-wreaking star in the making. He had 166 tackles and 6 1/2 sacks.

Bull**** Alert: Ian Gold had 100 total tackles in 2002. 85 solo and 15 assists. Why Patrick Saunders pulled this ridiculous 166 figure out of his ass is anyone's guess. Maybe the team is resorting to blatant propaganda and Saunders is too lazy to verify numbers.

baja
05-30-2005, 01:52 PM
They count pre season and Friday practice

Jason in LA
05-30-2005, 01:57 PM
Play DJ at strong, and Gold at weak, and everything will be fine. This is one unit that doesn't need to be worried about.

-Slap-
05-30-2005, 01:59 PM
Play DJ at strong, and Gold at weak, and everything will be fine. This is one unit that doesn't need to be worried about.

There will be problems. Count on it. Ian's second tour of duty in Denver will be shorter than his first. He'll walk away talking **** again, too.

watermock
05-30-2005, 02:27 PM
DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2000 Denver Broncos 16 30 25.0 5 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2001 Denver Broncos 16 41 36.0 5 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
2002 Denver Broncos 16 100 85.0 15 6.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
2003 Denver Broncos 6 29 28.0 1 0 2 14 7.0 12 1 3
2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 71 54.0 17 0.5 1 31 31.0 31 0 2
TOTAL 70 271 228.0 43 12 3 45 15.0 31 1 13

I don't mean to bust Saunder's bubble, but isn't this giving Gold about 85 solo tackles, not 166?

This is absurd!

Gold only has 228 in 5 years.

Williams in his rookie year:

2004 Denver Broncos 16 114 81.0 33 2 1 10 10.0 10 0 6

I always knew that Saunders was from the propoganda department, but this is rediculous.

228 over 5 years is about 43 total tackles per year.

watermock
05-30-2005, 03:05 PM
I wouldn't be pissed off about this move if Williams had EVER PLAYED SAM.

Yeah, he could be a good Sam, BUT HE HAS NEVER PLAYED THE POSTION IN COLLEGE OR THE PROS.

There are quite a few of us who wonder about this, and wonder about this move to side to side routine. It's not genius to assume that when the team moves the TE to the weak side, D.J. is supposed to follow him. What else is this supposed to mean?

It's one thing to tell D.J, a second year player, who is under a quarter of the contract of Gold, to move out of the position to Sam, a position much more dangerous, and much more trash, than to have some prick like Gold trying to dictate how he can be best used.

Mark my words, this is a much bigger problem than Mo Clarett.

Want to know what the most amazing thing is?

D.J. Williams will try to take the first train out of town and play Will for another team. As long as Gold is in his spot, count on it. They can play with Symantics or whatever, it almost rivals the Maddox/Elway baloney.

Where is Pierce to play the Sam? Or Sykes? Why didn we need an 8.5 million dollar signing bonus for a whiner?

Gold hasn't proven anything at this point!

What I wanted to hear was that DJ was adjusting well to the new spot. Now I hear some crap about moving them around like a Chinese Fire Drill.

Mark my words, this won't work. How do you take a rookie that was the first in tackles and move him?

It's idiotic as hell. I don't know what Gold has on Shanahan, but to march off without an agent and get an 8.5 bonus, the same we had on the table last year...

It's one thing to bring the Will back, It's another to draft mid first for a replacement then cut his legs out from under him.

Expect Williams to ask to be traded. Can't you see this happening allready?

OH, we are going to move our linebackers around according to down and distance, and the set?

WTF is that?

Rant over.

watermock
05-30-2005, 03:12 PM
To me, the only "logical solution" would be to move D.J. Williams to the weakside only when the TE moves in that area.

Now it might be just opposite. Which, ironically, would make more sense. Let Gold cover the TE.

We will see which way they go.

If they move DJ over the TE I will be pissed. Let Gold cover. If they leave Williams over the TE and try to make Gold the LB he isn't...it's not going to be cool.

I will wait and see what the nintento coaching staff will buy next...XBox, or Playstation.

watermock
05-30-2005, 03:15 PM
Ironically enough, I thing Denver is going to move Gold over the TE.

Sounds crazy, but if our revamped DL in a 4-3, he's the better coverage backer.

I can't imagine Gold undercoached in Tampa under Gruden, maybe he has learned to cover a TE.

Cito Pelon
05-30-2005, 05:23 PM
Bull**** Alert: Ian Gold had 100 total tackles in 2002. 85 solo and 15 assists. Why Patrick Saunders pulled this ridiculous 166 figure out of his ass is anyone's guess. Maybe the team is resorting to blatant propaganda and Saunders is too lazy to verify numbers.

Yeah, it's amazing that made it to print. I was going to research that, because it sounded re-freakin-diculous. I hate getting BS'd likethat, especially to that extreme. That's stinkin ridiculous.

Rock Chalk
05-30-2005, 06:17 PM
I hope DJ knocks the **** out of everyone he gets a chance to. I hope he intercepts ten freakin balls and I hope Gold has just a very mediocre season.

DJ I liked from the start. Gold is down there with Kennison at the moment.

Jason, you might be right, this might all be the logical way to go, but Mock has a point, DJ has never played Sam, Ian is still small for even Will, and we are going to have many problems as Slap pointed out. Count on it. Ian got bulldozed when he played weakside for us more often than not. Got a lot of tackles, sure, more than he did in Tampa, but most of them were catching up tackles or getting splattered tackles. DJ stops people in their tracks, sometimes, like Al, knocks them BACKWARDS. Ian will never be able to do that.

If our DLine doesnt come up big in run stuffing AND pass rushing, we are going to ahve problems.

DBroncos4life
05-30-2005, 06:46 PM
I don't like Gold but I hope he does well. The better he does the better we are. As long as DJ gets better and does his job to the best he can this unit will be scary good.

TheReverend
05-30-2005, 06:58 PM
Our D will be fine... especially the backers

DariusGoingDeep
05-30-2005, 07:15 PM
linebackers will not be a problem at all for us...plenty of playmaking ability there...however i hope that moving DJ to strong side will not hamper his progression into the star we all know he could become.

as for gold...i hope he plays well for us, but im not sure i like him.

TheReverend
05-30-2005, 09:54 PM
Madden (I know hes a crazy old man like Mock, but also like Mock, he speaks some genuis occasionally) called DJ the only HS player that could jump straight to the pros... thats not because hes just a good weakside... its because he's an incredible ATHLETE... he's be fine at Sam, or whatever is opposite of Reduction... Additition Linebacker?!

TheReverend
05-30-2005, 09:55 PM
PS. I love Ian Gold and Deltha O'Neal... there, I said it.

SoCalBronco
05-30-2005, 10:11 PM
"The Will (weak side) is a lot freer, but the way we scheme and the way we set it up here, the Sam linebacker is not going to be taking on a lot of the grunt work or taking on lead blockers," Williams said.



I still hate Ian and i still do not like his acquisition one bit but this part here gives me some encouragement that DJ wont be totally shackled this season. Coyer is trying to maximize what he gets out of his LBs so i am happy they are trying to scheme away some of the trash he is likely to face on the strongside. Props to Coyer on that.

Move still sucks overall though.

And your right Reverend, he is a great athlete, although Madden's comment is overblown. No one could go from HS to the NFL, even a 3 time state player of the year and the only RB i ever saw or heard who averaged 20 YPC over the course of a season like DJ. Mediator is saying it wont be the end of the world so i will trust him till i see otherwise even with my continued bad feeling on this.

-Slap-
05-30-2005, 10:16 PM
I still hate Ian and i still do not like his acquisition one bit but this part here gives me some encouragement that DJ wont be totally shackled this season. Coyer is trying to maximize what he gets out of his LBs so i am happy they are trying to scheme away some of the trash he is likely to face on the strongside. Props to Coyer on that.

Move still sucks overall though.

And your right Reverend, he is a great athlete, although Madden's comment is overblown. No one could go from HS to the NFL, even a 3 time state player of the year and the only RB i ever saw or heard who averaged 20 YPC over the course of a season like DJ. Mediator is saying it wont be the end of the world so i will trust him till i see otherwise even with my continued bad feeling on this.

Jim Brown, Earl Campbell and Hesrchel Walker could have gone straight to the NFL.

TheReverend
05-30-2005, 10:16 PM
I promise everything is going to be okay... Best Acquisition this offseason: COURTNEY BROWN! PSU!

TheReverend
05-30-2005, 10:17 PM
Jim Brown, Earl Campbell and Hesrchel Walker could have gone straight to the NFL.

Dont forget about the Juice! He was a great player before he was a murderer...