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[DBroncos4life]

Broncos | Adams Making Strides - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 29 May 2005 08:25:23 -0700

DenverBroncos.com reports Denver Broncos wide receivers coach Steve Watson had nothing but positive things to say about WR Charlie Adams and the progress he's observed from the young receiver on the field so far this year. "Charlie is invaluable to our team in the sense that we've been able to take Charlie and put him in just about every position on the field," Watson said. "He's been our utility guy. He's extremely bright, a very sharp kid and Charlie is having a very good quarterback camp. He's playing real well, beating people and he's doing a lot of really good things out there. I think he's about as healthy as he's ever been too, plus he got contact lenses which I think is really going to help him."


Broncos | Johnson Gradually Improving - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 29 May 2005 08:23:03 -0700

DenverBroncos.com reports Denver Broncos wide receivers coach Steve Watson believes WR B.J. Johnson (ankle), who missed the entire 2004 season with an ankle injury, has some catching up to do, but he has seen flashes of talent from the young receiver. "It will take him a little bit to get back into it but he has shown some real promise in our quarterback school and I like what I see," Watson said. "Hopefully he'll continue to get better because he's gotten incrementally better and better each time he's gone out on the field."


Broncos | Like Watts' Potential - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 29 May 2005 08:22:47 -0700

DenverBroncos.com reports Denver Broncos wide receivers coach Steve Watson acknowledged how confident the club is in the overall potential of WR Darius Watts. "Darius Watts; the door is wide open for him," Watson said regarding the receiver's chance to contribute this year. "He probably has as much talent as anybody on our football team." Watts is expected to compete for a reserve role behind starting WRs Rod Smith and Ashley Lelie this year.


Broncos | Looking for Lelie to Step Up - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 29 May 2005 08:03:56 -0700

DenverBroncos.com reports Denver Broncos wide receivers coach Steve Watson believes WR Ashley Lelie needs to fulfill his potential now that he is slated for a starting role this year. "Ashley had a great year last year, but he needs to step it up a notch," Watson said. "He's only about halfway to where I think he can be." Watson noted that Lelie is making every effort to improve this year. "He is working harder on the field and he is doing some of the little things that we've asked him to do out there," Watson said. "I think he's headed in that direction."

[Dukes]

"Ashley had a great year last year, but he needs to step it up a notch," Watson said. "He's only about halfway to where I think he can be."

Wow I can't wait to see how he plays when he's ALL the way there! :thumbs:

[Jason in LA]

I get this feeling Watson is like a parent that won't say anything bad about his kid.

Hopefully one of the youngsters will turn into an impact player, but not all of them. Listening to Watson it seems like they are all on their way to the Pro Bowl.

[TheReverend]

For a more in depth report go to Denverbroncos.com and click on the "Steve Watson answers your questions" link. Of course those douches never answer my questions...

[Odysseus]

Jerry Rice trimming a few balls from these guys might insure that some of the motivation and production issues that are chronic with the Broncos at this position start to get trimmed back. Rice might not even make the team but if he can get Watts, Lelie and the others to fight harder that could be a major win.

I wonder if Steve Watson is learning anything from Jerry Rice?

[Crow]

Watts is going to be a good one. Of all Denver's WRs, this is the guy that makes me nervous.

[Dukes]

Watts is going to be a good one. Of all Denver's WRs, this is the guy that makes me nervous.

I've got that same feeling, but don't overlook Lelie either :thumbs:

[Crow]

I've got that same feeling, but don't overlook Lelie either :thumbs:

I just can't get worried about Lelie for some reason. He just doesn't impress me at all.

Watts looks like a guy who can do a lot of damage over the middle as well as get downfield. Having Rod Smith to learn from can only help.

[Macnut]

I just can't get worried about Lelie for some reason. He just doesn't impress me at all.

Watts looks like a guy who can do a lot of damage over the middle as well as get downfield. Having Rod Smith to learn from can only help.
Watts will never be as good as Lelie! NEVER! Wake up and get real.

[Odysseus]

I just can't get worried about Lelie for some reason. He just doesn't impress me at all.

Watts looks like a guy who can do a lot of damage over the middle as well as get downfield. Having Rod Smith to learn from can only help.

It's really all Jake's fault on this deal. Defenses can tee off on him because he has been and will remain myoptic. If he is going to get to that next level he needs to spread the ball around.

We need Watts to have a game where he tears open a defense with a series of hot reads where the Defense bites on Rod as the primary. You have to remember it's all perception. It's not that Watts is better but defenses now have to account for the recievers or Jake will burn you.

Jake isn't neccessarily scrambling for his life because of the offensive line. The fact is Jake doesn't fake out anybody with some of his moves and reads. I could probably show Bob our Information Manager how to pick off Plummer and his last 40 time was on a Playstation. Knowing old Bob he would probably disagree and get burned like he always does. It's a sad reality for Chiefs fans. All ready to go and poof where did the stadium go?

[Drek]

Hopefully one of the youngsters will turn into an impact player, but not all of them. Listening to Watson it seems like they are all on their way to the Pro Bowl. Of course he's going to say positive things about them this early on, but then they probably do look good, it being early in camp and everyone being real motivated right now.

The comments on BJ Johnson make me really think we could really see him on the practice squad/ NFL Europe team. He's talented, the FO knows that, but he's going to need some serious time to get back up to speed.

I think for our team how it stands now Watts could potentially be better than Lelie. Lelie is awesome, but his best asset, downfield speed, is neutralized by Jake's inability to throw the ball deep downfield to him where he needs it. I don't know how many times I've seen Jake go deep, only to overthrow, underthrow, or toss up a floater that gets snagged for a pick. If Lelie was on a team with a QB and a system favoring a vertical passing game I think he makes the pro-bowl and averages over 16 ypc.

Who knows, if we end up with a new QB in next year's draft Lelie's career could be on the track to bigger and better things. :)

[OrangeShadow]

i think watts will benefit from rice and smith greatly. i think ashley is just about there

[Jason in LA]

I was just pointing out that this is a fluff piece that normally comes out during mini camps. Has there ever been a bad mini camp story? This story doesn't mean much. How many times have we seen a story about one of the young Bronco WRs tearing it up in practice? We haven't seen any of that turn into anything during the regular season.

[baja]

Kevin Casper

[wabbit]

...The comments on BJ Johnson make me really think we could really see him on the practice squad/ NFL Europe team. He's talented, the FO knows that, but he's going to need some serious time to get back up to speed.

I think for our team how it stands now Watts could potentially be better than Lelie...

If I remember my Training Camp chatter from a year ago, Watson was saying BJ's best shot at making the final roster was to seize the job as a top KR/PR guy.

That appears to be a lost hope now with Darrent Williams on board.

As for Watts over Lelie, the belief is that Lelie may be the better big play performer, while Watts could very well become a terrific every down, go-to WR.

Believe me, the Broncos are banking on both to have huge, game winning years, and while it appears to be a pretty good gamble...make no mistake...it IS a gamble

[Jason in LA]

Kevin Casper


Exactly. There is a list of names that we'd all like to forget about.

[Atlas]

Like I have been saying I hope Adams makes the team. I think runing after the catch he could be the most dangerous Bronco.

[Merlin]

I don't know how many times I've seen Jake go deep, only to overthrow, underthrow, or toss up a floater that gets snagged for a pick. If Lelie was on a team with a QB and a system favoring a vertical passing game I think he makes the pro-bowl and averages over 16 ypc.
Yeah, as opposed to last year where he averaged 20.1 Yds per game, and he was also able to get a number of penalties on opposing defences for pass interference. :kiddingme :kiddingme

Merlin

[Jason in LA]

Yeah, as opposed to last year where he averaged 20.1 Yds per game, and he was also able to get a number of penalties on opposing defences for pass interference. :kiddingme :kiddingme

Merlin

His average would have been higher, but that damn endzone kept getting in his way. ;D

[DBroncos4life]

Kevin Casper


Funny he has a SB ring now.

[Jason in LA]

I had to look that one up. In the last two years he's averaged 23.0 YPC. Too bad that was off of one reception, two years ago with the Cards. Looking at the stats it looks like all he did for the Pats was return 3 kickoffs for 61 yards in 7 games. I thought this guy was supposed to be the next Ed McCaffrey, well, tht's what some people said. I guess he's going to be a late bloomer too.

[clean]

Funny he has a SB ring now.

Payback for giving New England the playbook.

[DBroncos4life]

Payback for giving New England the playbook.



Hey I always thought it was about winning the super bowl. Im sure hes happy with the way that turned out. Hell I would love to be a scrub on a team that wins the SB

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Funny he has a SB ring now.

So does Griese, does that mean anything in the grander scheme of everything? Hilarious!

[DBroncos4life]

So does Griese, does that mean anything in the grander scheme of everything? Hilarious!



I don't know go ask Dan the man and Frankie T. I know they did nothing to earn the ring besides help out in practice but when it comes down to it would you rather have a ring or not have a ring. Besides it will be fun for the both of them to sit around with the grand kids and talk about being on a SB team.

[Jason in LA]

Tito Paul has a Super Bowl ring.

[Jason in LA]

Here's an interesting question, and off topic. Would Marnio trade his career for Griese's? Or Bernie Kosar? Or any other QB that pretty much gravy trained their way to a Super Bowl ring? To take it a step further, lets say Elway never wins a Super Bowl. Would he trade his career with Kosar, who won a ring with the Cowboys?

I'd say these guys want to win a ring bad, but they want to earn it. They would want all the credit that comes with the ring.

[DBroncos4life]

Here's an interesting question, and off topic. Would Marnio trade his career for Griese's? Or Bernie Kosar? Or any other QB that pretty much gravy trained their way to a Super Bowl ring? To take it a step further, lets say Elway never wins a Super Bowl. Would he trade his career with Kosar, who won a ring with the Cowboys?

I'd say these guys want to win a ring bad, but they want to earn it. They would want all the credit that comes with the ring.



I must have missed where Griese had a career ending injury. He still has time to earn a ring. Funny thing about Marino when the Fish started to do great either the year he quit or the year after it he was thinking about making a comeback to help get him a ring. I think Marino would. Cris Carter did the samething as well. Anyways you are missing my point. I didn't say Kasper earned his ring but it still should be a highlight in his life. Most people in the world have never been a part of a SB winning team so it would be fun to do even if you are the backup place holder.

[DB-Freak]

Watts will never be as good as Lelie! NEVER! Wake up and get real.
pathetic

I won't even comment. Uhh

[DariusGoingDeep]

pathetic

I won't even comment. Uhh


im with db-freak on this one--i hope they both dominate, but i see watts with unlimited potential, im not going to put any limits on it

[DB-Freak]

I just can't get worried about Lelie for some reason. He just doesn't impress me at all.

Watts looks like a guy who can do a lot of damage over the middle as well as get downfield. Having Rod Smith to learn from can only help.
The name "Ashley Laylee" doesn't help either.

:~ohyah!:

[DB-Freak]

im with db-freak on this one--i hope they both dominate, but i see watts with unlimited potential, im not going to put any limits on it
unfortunately, I dont see Watts with unlimited potential.......

Or if i judge potential loosely

There were a lot of players with unlimited potential who didnt pan out.

[DBroncos4life]

im with db-freak on this one--i hope they both dominate, but i see watts with unlimited potential, im not going to put any limits on it


ha Im sorry Im with the other guy here. Watts won't be as good as Lelie. That doesn't mean he will suck though. Lelie just turned 25 in Feb and Watts will turn 24 in December. I don't think Watts will ever be thick enough to take the pounding but I hope Im wrong. Both give us a great future :thumbs:

[DariusGoingDeep]

maybe i am too big of a homer, but i dont see anything limiting watts. Lelie will be great, hopefully he will round out his game and become a superstar. However i think that watts is a burner, is a threat to run after the catch moreso than anyone else on our team, and is working on more consistent hands which i think will be just fine this year. As for size, i dont see that being a problem...a lot of the great WR's are skinny (Moss, Rice, etc...)

[baja]

Imagine learning from both Rod Smith and Jerry Rice could it get any better for Ashlie and Darius???

[Macnut]

Let me ask those guys who think Watts is better than Lelie a question, if both guys were free agents who do you think would get more attention from other teams? Very obvious answer here! And to those that critisize him for his name are the PATHETIC ONES!

[TheReverend]

Imagine learning from both Rod Smith and Jerry Rice could it get any better for Ashlie and Darius???

If we signed Chris Carter as a WR coach... yes.

[DB-Freak]

Let me ask those guys who think Watts is better than Lelie a question, if both guys were free agents who do you think would get more attention from other teams? Very obvious answer here! And to those that critisize him for his name are the PATHETIC ONES!
You still don't get it do you?

[Atlas]

Let me ask those guys who think Watts is better than Lelie a question, if both guys were free agents who do you think would get more attention from other teams? Very obvious answer here! And to those that critisize him for his name are the PATHETIC ONES!

I don't think Watts will be as good as Lelie. Watch Lelie right after he catches the ball. He is so quick and his movement is so fluid. He catches the ball and then moves up field so quick he is going to get some really big yards after the catch. He is such a long strider that his speed and quickness is very decieving.

[baja]

I also think Watts has more up side than Lelie but it's a moot point because they will both be very good if Plummer "slows the game down" in his head.

[Play2win]

I don't think Watts will be as good as Lelie. Watch Lelie right after he catches the ball. He is so quick and his movement is so fluid. He catches the ball and then moves up field so quick he is going to get some really big yards after the catch. He is such a long strider that his speed and quickness is very decieving.

I actually think the YAC, is one thing Watts is going to excel at. He is SO quick, and his change-of-direction moves are out of this world. He just needs to bulk up a little. Like Ash did.

I think Watts can create separation while standing completely still. I expect great things from Watts.

I also expect great things from ASH. He needs to be utilized better. We are starting to hear that is part of the plan. I think ASH could play a game SOMEWHAT like Jerry Rice used to. Quick slant across the middle, catch and turn it upfield. Middle slants. Deep slants. He's got the hands to reach out and grab it, in stride. Now if jake could only get it to him IN STRIDE!!! I actually saw a play or two last year where ASH did look alot like Jerry Rice in his prime. Now with Rice here, He can look more like Rice more often.

With the rules as they are, we need to attack the inside and middle of these defenses. The soft under belly. Alot of quick, medium and deep SLANTS. Alot of people are saying the WCO is dead. Its been figured out. But with these current rules, I think it just needs to be tweaked alittle, and then it could be very explosive. The main thing is we need to be able to get the ball to these guys IN STRIDE. So can Jake do that? CAN JAKE DELIVER THE BALL TO THE WRs IN STRIDE?!?

All in all, I think Both Watts and ASH are going to be great. They both have a great opportunity to learn from truly two of the game's greatest to play at the position. Smith and Rice both bring different things to the table, but they are both CHAMPIONS and extremely hard and dedicated workers. We all know what Rice brings to the table, and as Shanahan himself said, Rod would be highly successful no matter what business he went into. Those are Flying colors and very high praise in my book.

Whatever happens this is going to be one of the most exciting seasons we've had in a while. Whatever happens, Shanahan is putting a charge back into this team, and you've got to give Shanny props for that.

[Crow]

The name "Ashley Laylee" doesn't help either.

:~ohyah!:

Yeah, that's a definite drawback.


As for Watts over Lelie, the belief is that Lelie may be the better big play performer, while Watts could very well become a terrific every down, go-to WR.


Exactly. The latter of the two being the type of guy I'd try to build my offense around.

[DBroncos4life]

If we could use Lelie right in the first place this wouldn't be a issue. I think what Lelie's stats would look like if he played with Cullpepper.

[Crow]

Yeah, the QB definitely makes a difference. But I'll reserve judgement on Pep until I see him play a season w/o Moss as his safety blanket.

[DBroncos4life]

Yeah, the QB definitely makes a difference. But I'll reserve judgement on Pep until I see him play a season w/o Moss as his safety blanket.


I agree there but I was talking about when Lelie has to stop and wait for the ball. Thats how he gets so many PI calls because the defenders run right into him after he stops to make the catch. Had half those passes hit him when he was in stride he would have finished with way more then 7 tds. Also it doesn't even seem like Denver tried to use Lelie on shorter routes either.

[Crow]

I wouldn't really be inclined to use him underneath much myself. Somebody that tall and lanky...man, that's a LBs dream come true. A torso that long makes for an easy target.

So can I assume then that you're not a Jake Plummer homer?

[DBroncos4life]

I wouldn't really be inclined to use him underneath much myself. Somebody that tall and lanky...man, that's a LBs dream come true. A torso that long makes for an easy target.

So can I assume then that you're not a Jake Plummer homer?


I like Plummer alot, but Im not going to make him into something he isn't. He has a "ok" arm but its not the type of arm that will make Lelie look better by any means. Lelie is 6'3" or 6'4" and he weighs in at just over 200 pounds. Watts is 1 inch shorter then him and is 188. To me if any of them shouldn't be going over the middle its Watts. I like both guys I really do. Its a nice set for the future. Should we get a QB with a cannon for a arm they will become even better.

[Crow]

Watts, from what I got to see of him, seemed to have that feel for the middle though. That little something that guys like Rice and Brown had (not that I'd ever make that comparison, btw) that allowed them to run through no man's land and hardly ever take a lick. Lelie just strikes me as a verticle guy and little else. Eazy Ed worked the middle for years, getting blown up on a regular basis...but he was a tough sumb/tch. I don't see that level of toughness in Lelie.

But yeah, with an upgrade at QB, this could be a pretty decent tandem.

[Mediator12]

Watts and Lelie are both going to be solid WR's in time. Watts is not that big but he can and will catch the ball in traffic. Also, he excels at making the press coverage fail at the point of contact, something Lelie still fails to be consistent in doing. Watts could be compared to Marvin Harrison's style of play. Neither is big (Watts is 6'1 and 188 and Harrison 6'0 175), but both are able to make incredible moves on defenders to get open. Harrison has a huge advantage because Peyton Manning and he are on a different wavelength though.

Lelie is getting better, but has consistently failed to get seperation under coverage. His lack of getting off the line clean has made the shorter routes less appropriate where Rod still excels at that. Same thing applies to three or more WR sets. His current skills limit his underneath abilities. Why send him into a situation where he is not likely to get open? Once he gets by defenders, Jake's arm is the only reason he is caught. His greatest assets are speed and catching, not toughness and elusiveness to go over the middle. The coaches are simply using him to his and the teams strengths.

That being said, Lelie should continue to get better getting off the line. Watts should progress in the third receiver role and hopefully Someone will continue to push them all.

The wild Card in all this mess to me is Triandos Luke. He caught everything thrown his way in preseason and in games. He was a special teams guy. I really think the guy is going to blossom in his second year of camp. Anyone remember his catch in the Seattle preseason game? Hell of a catch and a great move by the defender to boot. He really needed some reps in a WCO since he came from 'bama and I like him to supplant anyone for the fifth active WR spot or better.

[Ballhawk]

Watts, from what I got to see of him, seemed to have that feel for the middle though. That little something that guys like Rice and Brown had (not that I'd ever make that comparison, btw) that allowed them to run through no man's land and hardly ever take a lick. Lelie just strikes me as a verticle guy and little else. Eazy Ed worked the middle for years, getting blown up on a regular basis...but he was a tough sumb/tch. I don't see that level of toughness in Lelie.

But yeah, with an upgrade at QB, this could be a pretty decent tandem.

I agree on your take of both WRs. Lelie is too much of a long strider to be a great WR over the middle. Watts on the other hand can stop and start so quickly he can thrive over the middle. If Lelie had a QB with a gun for an arm he could post 1500 yards.

Lelie reminds me of a much more talented Alvin Harper,
Watts reminds me of the Seachicken Joey Galloway.

[Odysseus]

I don't know if recievers have to be as tough as they used to be.

The big increase in fines on big hits is going to force up and coming guys to go back to basic tackling or they should. The fact of the matter is the league is forcing teams to focus on killing the play and not the players. The football nerds are the ones who are going know where to cut routes, hawk balls and generally disrupt the play.

The removal of horse collar tackles is going to allow recievers to bring the ball to the house. If I've got a guy behind me who isn't as fast as me he can no longer take that extra leap and drag me down for sure. I can cut twice, two steps and hit the motor and buh bye. The man is going to have to keep from getting worked.

Plummer has a chance to put up some crazy numbers if he masters his craft.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I wouldn't really be inclined to use him underneath much myself. Somebody that tall and lanky...man, that's a LBs dream come true. A torso that long makes for an easy target.

So can I assume then that you're not a Jake Plummer homer?

But if you send Watts through the middle against the linebackers with those toothpicks for legs, he'll be done in a year or two.

[SoCalBronco]

Go ASH!

[fontaine]

Watts will never be as good as Lelie! NEVER! Wake up and get real.

Watts already runs better short to intermediate routes than Lelie. He knows how to sell his route, makes good double moves and sets up his defender very well with very fluid hip movement in and out of the his cuts.

Lelie, needs to learn that there is a lot more to running routes than just running very fast in a straight line. He's especially very poor in and out of his breaks.

[baja]

Remember Watts regularly beats Champ in practice.

[Odysseus]

The wild Card in all this mess to me is Triandos Luke. He caught everything thrown his way in preseason and in games. He was a special teams guy. I really think the guy is going to blossom in his second year of camp. Anyone remember his catch in the Seattle preseason game? Hell of a catch and a great move by the defender to boot. He really needed some reps in a WCO since he came from 'bama and I like him to supplant anyone for the fifth active WR spot or better.

Luke is like Reuben Droughns. He'll hide in the back of the roster for awhile and then suddenly surprise you. His potential is obvious to me. I think in time, if he works at it, will prove to be better than people give him credit. I like him a lot and hope he makes the roster.

Does anyone know what happened to Adrian Madise? Why did he do well in the Broncos eyes and then disappear?

[fontaine]

Luke is like Reuben Droughns. He'll hide in the back of the roster for awhile and then suddenly surprise you. His potential is obvious to me. I think in time, if he works at it, will prove to be better than people give him credit. I like him a lot and hope he makes the roster.

Does anyone know what happened to Adrian Madise? Why did he do well in the Broncos eyes and then disappear?

He smoked out. Either that or it was 'roids.

[dbfan4life]

I like Plummer alot, but Im not going to make him into something he isn't. He has a "ok" arm but its not the type of arm that will make Lelie look better by any means. Lelie is 6'3" or 6'4" and he weighs in at just over 200 pounds. Watts is 1 inch shorter then him and is 188. To me if any of them shouldn't be going over the middle its Watts. I like both guys I really do. Its a nice set for the future. Should we get a QB with a cannon for a arm they will become even better.

Where does the misconception that Jake only has an OK arm come from? I watch those QB challenges that Jake used to compete in and dude would consistently get it 70 yards downfield. If that's an OK arm, I'll take it any day of the week. I think accuracy is more Jake's weakness than arm strength.

[ozomulsion]

Where does the misconception that Jake only has an OK arm come from? I watch those QB challenges that Jake used to compete in and dude would consistently get it 70 yards downfield. If that's an OK arm, I'll take it any day of the week. I think accuracy is more Jake's weakness than arm strength.

Plummer can throw the ball 70 yards eh?

Maybe on the moon.

[dbfan4life]

Plummer can throw the ball 70 yards eh?

Maybe on the moon.

I swear I'm not making that up! Watch the re-runs of the QB Challenges and watch Jake put it consistently between 65-70 yards. Even the announcer guys were impressed that Jake could get the rock downfield like that.

[DBroncos4life]

I swear I'm not making that up! Watch the re-runs of the QB Challenges and watch Jake put it consistently between 65-70 yards. Even the announcer guys were impressed that Jake could get the rock downfield like that.



Thats fine but till they start rushing the QB in those challeges it means jack. Plummer CAN'T hit Lelie when Lelie is in full stride forcing Lelie to have to either slow down or stop all together. His arm strength is a problem when that happens.

[Rascal]

I'm concerned about both of their durability. Every time one gets hit I wonder if they are going to get back up. But then I thought the same thing with eddie and he did, except for once but that was because SOB sucks.

[Play2win]

Jake's got an Arm. Its just his downfield accuracy thats in question. Well, for that matter, its his accuracy, IN GENERAL, thats in question. He can throw it the distance, its just usually (atleast) a little off-target.

Though, he does throw better downfield, with more accuracy, when he is on the run. But maybe they are working on his pocket and throwing mechanics and he will pleasantly suprise everybody this year. ;D

[dbfan4life]

Jake's got an Arm. Its just his downfield accuracy thats in question. Well, for that matter, its his accuracy, IN GENERAL, thats in question. He can throw it the distance, its just usually (atleast) a little off-target.

Though, he does throw better downfield, with more accuracy, when he is on the run. But maybe they are working on his pocket and throwing mechanics and he will pleasantly suprise everybody this year. ;D

100 % agrere there, P2W. He has good arm stregth and terrible accuracy.

[Odysseus]

He smoked out. Either that or it was 'roids.

You deserve your own thread!!!


Thanks for the heads up. Where did you hear that about Madise? I am actually happier with the Broncos WR position than I have been in a long time. I'm hoping some of the second stringers show up this year. They always seem to have depth and then it falls apart faster than the Chiefs defense.

[ozomulsion]

Where did you hear that about Madise?

He failed a drug test around the beginning of last season. It was a one strike sort of deal so it had to be roids. He said it was a nutritional supplement. I find that doubtful.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

He was suspended for the first four games and then released. He was picked up late in the year by Tampa Bay. I was cheering for him because when I went to training camp, he was the hardest worker on the field.

[Odysseus]

Broncos recievers...Man I wish they would get it right.

I guess the pressure to get "larger and stronger" must have gotten to him. I hope he makes it somewhere.

I noticed Adams, Johnson, Lelie and Watts all made the happy talk. What about Jackson?

[DariusGoingDeep]

right now, lelie...hands down...but your point is stupid...and i didnt make fun of his name

i only said i think watts has the potential to be better, which means nothing until he puts in the time to make himself that good, but i think he is doing a better job of that than ash did in his first couple offseasons.

i simply believe, eventually watts will be the more dangerous threat for our offense.

[Macnut]

Again I ask, if you or some team was in need of a WR and both were free agents, who would you or the team pick up? C'mon answer this question. It doesn't get as simple as that.
Comparisons:
Watts is quicker than Lelie but Lelie is faster. Because of that Watts seems to get off the line easier.
Who said Watts runs better routes than Lelie? I remember reading that Lelie runs great routes.
Who has better hands? Lelie. I don't know why they don't throw to him more in the red zone instead of taking him out so often or just using him as a decoy on running plays.

BTW the Broncos should have drafted Chad Owens. He is impressive at the Jaguars Camps.

[DB-Freak]

Again I ask, if you or some team was in need of a WR and both were free agents, who would you or the team pick up? C'mon answer this question. It doesn't get as simple as that.
Comparisons:
Watts is quicker than Lelie but Lelie is faster. Because of that Watts seems to get off the line easier.
Who said Watts runs better routes than Lelie? I remember reading that Lelie runs great routes.
Who has better hands? Lelie. I don't know why they don't throw to him more in the red zone instead of taking him out so often or just using him as a decoy on running plays.

BTW the Broncos should have drafted Chad Owens. He is impressive at the Jaguars Camps.
Haha again you missed the point of my post.

Sadly right now we haven't given watts three years either.

We'll see in the near future.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Jake's got an Arm. Its just his downfield accuracy thats in question. Well, for that matter, its his accuracy, IN GENERAL, thats in question. He can throw it the distance, its just usually (atleast) a little off-target.

Though, he does throw better downfield, with more accuracy, when he is on the run. But maybe they are working on his pocket and throwing mechanics and he will pleasantly suprise everybody this year. ;D

He throws one of the prettier deep balls, and yes usually on the run, than anyone in the league. If you notice most of his picks came from within 10 yards of the LOS. Granted some where off of tips, but still. I havent figured out why the guy can hit Ash 50 yards down the field on a rope, but can't hit Rod on that quick slant 7 yards from the LOS. If he could fix that in his mechanics, he would be one of the elite in the league.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Haha again you missed the point of my post.

Sadly right now we haven't given watts three years either.

We'll see in the near future.

If he can hang on to big catches this year, I think Watts is going to have a good year, maybe not breakout, but good year. Watts reminds me of Keyshawn, not going to blow past you with blinding speed, but quick enough to get seperation and get you some much needed clutch receptions. His third year will probably be IMHO, his breakout season.

[wabbit]

He throws one of the prettier deep balls, and yes usually on the run, than anyone in the league. If you notice most of his picks came from within 10 yards of the LOS. Granted some where off of tips, but still...

I think this is where a guy like Rice can actually help Plummer.

Jerry's adjustments on the ball are one of his legendary traits.

He's a QB confidence builder & a great signing.

I just don't see any way he doesn't make this team...barring an injury of some kind

[Play2win]

He throws one of the prettier deep balls, and yes usually on the run, than anyone in the league. If you notice most of his picks came from within 10 yards of the LOS. Granted some where off of tips, but still. I havent figured out why the guy can hit Ash 50 yards down the field on a rope, but can't hit Rod on that quick slant 7 yards from the LOS. If he could fix that in his mechanics, he would be one of the elite in the league.

Well, Jakes down-the-field accuracy just flat out stinks. ASH has to make some tremendous adjustments (mostly thanks to his lanky frame) or jake wouldn't have half those deep ball competitions.

Ever notice almost every deep ball ASH seems to catch is SPECTACULAR?!?

Maybe, just maybe, its got to be for ASH to be able to complete any of Jake's deep throws...

[baja]

one a rope

two a rock

[Pat Bowlen]

I havent figured out why the guy can hit Ash 50 yards down the field on a rope, but can't hit Rod on that quick slant 7 yards from the LOS.
Maybe it's because you don't know what the phrase "on a rope" really means.

[Ballhawk]

Some may lagh off that Jake does not throw a tight spiral, but on deep balls it is very important as it helps WRs to judge the flight of the ball better.