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baja
05-28-2005, 05:16 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3813793,00.html

For Shanahan, it's no gray area
Coach insists that experience pays off

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
May 28, 2005

The Denver Broncos still will trot out in their traditional orange and blue togs this fall. It's just that they've added more than a little gray to the color scheme.

While most teams doing business in the NFL's salary-cap era don't trust many players over 30, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has dived headlong into the pursuit of experience this off-season.


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The latest catch is wide receiver Jerry Rice, a future Hall of Famer who will enter his 21st season and turn 43 on Oct. 13. He has joined a list of six players expected to make the team's final 53-man roster who are at least 30 years old and were either acquired or re- signed by the Broncos over the past three months.

"And as far as I'm concerned, a lot of those veterans get tossed aside, and they can still play," Shanahan said. "You look at them and if you think they can contribute, you bring them in. The right guys give you some of what you need."

Still, there are those in the league, squeezed annually by the salary cap, who say don't pay age.

They say giving too many deals to too many players on the wrong side of 30 is the quickest way to salary-cap trouble because often those deals, especially the larger ones, eventually result in "dead money" charges against the cap.

Dead money is when a team is charged against the salary cap for bonus money already paid to a player when he is no longer on the roster. The Broncos, for example, will be charged $3.571 million against the salary cap this season for part of the contract they gave to defensive tackle Daryl Gardener, who was cut by the team a year ago.

Shanahan, though, believes in the power of tenure. And while the Broncos' actions of late have some league executives in other outposts shaking their heads, Shanahan is just as adamant that each of this year's crop was brought in for a reason.

"We've looked at the salary cap with these deals, and anybody that knows anything about the salary cap will know that these are different kinds of deals," Shanahan said. "We think what we've done is worth taking a chance. It depends on the veteran, but we think we have the right deals for the right kind of veterans."

Rice's one-year deal, because of cap rules instituted a few years ago to entice teams to sign or keep more veteran players, will count only $450,000 against the $85.5 million limit per team this season.

For his part, Rice is expected to be part mentor, part possession receiver along the way at a position at which the Broncos have little depth.

"I think people have been trying to retire me for about six years now, six or seven years," Rice said this week. "I think once you get into your 40s, once you get into your 30s, the tendency is to start working those older players out and bring the new crop in. I never gave into that. I kept fighting. I kept working hard. I wanted to do it my way, and I feel like I'm getting that opportunity now."

The Broncos also sent a seventh-round pick in next year's draft, as well as punter Jason Baker, to the Carolina Panthers in exchange for 32-year-old punter Todd Sauerbrun because Shanahan still is fuming about the team's field-position woes last year.

He added 32-year-old linebacker Keith Burns - now in his third stint with the Broncos - because of those special-teams troubles. And the team re-signed tight end Patrick Hape (30), defensive end Marco Coleman (35) and defensive tackle Luther Elliss (32).

Elliss, Coleman and Hape signed one-year deals, just like Rice.

"Marco Coleman was a great example of (the benefit), a guy who came in here and helped save a season for us defensively when we lost Trevor Pryce," Shanahan said. "Marco, we had to have a guy like Marco. You lose a guy like Trevor Pryce, and a guy like Marco comes in and plays tremendous for us. We were top five on defense, and a big reason is a guy like Marco Coleman.

"Again, it all depends on what veteran it is when you do this. But a guy like Marco Coleman brought a lot to the table because of his character and his work ethic, and we're hoping Jerry Rice and some of the others do the same."

Shanahan also has made it clear he believes in the fresh- start principle. He believes players such as Rice, who was released by Seattle earlier this year, or Coleman, who was released by Philadelphia after the 2003 season, or Sauerbrun, who simply had worn out his welcome in Carolina, can rebound when given another chance.

The biggest risk is injury, which caught up to Elliss last season. After looking as if he was on the brink of a big season during last year's training camp, Elliss ended up missing eight games with chest, calf and back injuries.

"But after you get cut, you sit back and you still think you can play," Coleman said. "After somebody lets you go, you hope the phone will ring to give you one more chance. As you get along, I think you appreciate those chances more and more so when you get one, you want to take advantage of it."

"I just think experience counts," Shanahan said. "We'll see if they all step up, but there are some guys, you just look at them, look at what they've done, look at the film, and you decide they're worth a chance. How could you now take a chance on a guy like Jerry Rice? I'll take my chances on a guy like Jerry Rice any time, guys who work, guys with some character."

watermock
05-28-2005, 05:36 AM
This clown named every player over thirty except Rod Smith. Some won't even make the team on minimum. So how does that put you in salary cap hell when the contracts are not guaranteed, don't have signing bonus, or small ones?

Denver is FAR FAR away from an old team. Experienced, but not old, and due to get even younger next year with 9 picks, 6 in the first 4 rounds, two in the first, Washington's may be rather tasty.

Jason in LA
05-28-2005, 06:18 AM
I don't get why the media is acting like if these signings don't work out, the Broncos will be 6-10. They only guy that I would say is a real loss is Hayward, and we can question how much of a loss he really is. The defense is pretty much the same outside of the D line. The LBs will be atleast as good as last year, and maybe a little better with Gold and Williams having a year under his belt. The DBs should be just as good. Losing Herndon isn't a big deal. Walls was better. Ferguson will fill in nicely for Kennedy. The O will be returning 9/10 starters. Neil is gone, but that's not a big thing. He was playing hurt, and missed a number of games. Carlisle filled in nicely, and he's coming back. RD is gone, be Bell is an upgrade.

Without these offseason signings, this is a 10-6 team. What ever they get out of these signings will add to that. Hopefully these signings will pan out to an extra two wins. Getting Pryce back, and keeping him healthy, and adding an explosive runner like Bell, should be worth a game alone.

Atlas
05-28-2005, 06:33 AM
This clown named every player over thirty except Rod Smith. Some won't even make the team on minimum. So how does that put you in salary cap hell when the contracts are not guaranteed, don't have signing bonus, or small ones?
.

I agree another stupid article. They all have one year contracts HTF is that going to lead to cap hell??? Morons!! All of them!!!!

watermock
05-28-2005, 06:35 AM
Add in this Williams rookie is supposed to be a return demon, Fatso the punter should like the thin air, and it's possible that our #7 kick could be a kickoff specialist, as well as the fact Myers may be able to long snap.

I dunno if Burns will make the team, but I think he's interested in coaching special teams, and I dunno if they will send Gold down on coverage as a starter, who knows they let Rod Smith return punts.

Elam may have lost a few yards, but should still be fine from the 50 on in and might get pumped up for a long one yet.

Up and down special teams, it looks promising. Our coverage units remain a question mark with Rocky the Squirrel in Kansas City, but with the refs finally calling clips and holds, maybe we can keep him controlled. I hope Burns busts his jaw.

Bronx33
05-28-2005, 06:53 AM
If Sauerbrun stays out of trouble the deal to send (bad field position baker) to the panthers was a killer move............

Atlas
05-28-2005, 06:55 AM
If Sauerbrun stays out of trouble the deal to send (bad field position baker) to the panthers was a killer move............

They were saying on the NFL channel Saurbrun might break the punting record for average this year in Denver.

Bronx33
05-28-2005, 06:57 AM
They were saying on the NFL channel Saurbrun might break the punting record for average this year in Denver.


5280!

Northman
05-28-2005, 07:10 AM
I was so pissed off yesterday, listening to Mark Viviano and the Bulldog they were talking to some dude from SI and the question of the Broncos came up. anyhow, the SI dude trashed us about making these pickups and of course the Bulldog is a huge Ravens fan burst out laughing while stating how the Ravens own us. man, i so hope we beat those ****ers this year. i just dont want to beat them, i want to embarrass them as well. will the mighty gods look out for us this year?

Bronx33
05-28-2005, 07:13 AM
I was so pissed off yesterday, listening to Mark Viviano and the Bulldog they were talking to some dude from SI and the question of the Broncos came up. anyhow, the SI dude trashed us about making these pickups and of course the Bulldog is a huge Ravens fan burst out laughing while stating how the Ravens own us. man, i so hope we beat those ****ers this year. i just dont want to beat them, i want to embarrass them as well. will the mighty gods look out for us this year?



I have noticed that the SI staff tries to get under peoples skin with trash talking articals and interviews.......no fear we will beat the birds.

Kaylore
05-28-2005, 09:26 AM
I was so pissed off yesterday, listening to Mark Viviano and the Bulldog they were talking to some dude from SI and the question of the Broncos came up. anyhow, the SI dude trashed us about making these pickups and of course the Bulldog is a huge Ravens fan burst out laughing while stating how the Ravens own us. man, i so hope we beat those ****ers this year. i just dont want to beat them, i want to embarrass them as well. will the mighty gods look out for us this year?
With Kyle Boller at the helm of their ship, you needn't worry.

sirhcyennek81
05-28-2005, 09:31 AM
Reporter: So, why sign the old guys?
Shanahan: Who are you?
Reporter: uhh...reporter...guy...
Shanahan: Donny, Vito...make sure he is never found...
*que Godfather music...

Clockwork Orange
05-28-2005, 09:33 AM
With Kyle Boller at the helm of their ship, you needn't worry.

Boller's out of excuses this year. The Ratbirds added Derrick Mason through free agency and Mark Clayton via the draft. Add that to the fact that he's got a Pro Bowl caliber TE, a franchise LT and a RB who should be over that pesky cocaine distribution conviction and there's really no reason for him not to succeed.

Well, no reason other than his own ineptitude.

-Slap-
05-28-2005, 09:35 AM
Like you said, Boller needs to finally show something this year. It will be interesting to see how Billick reacts if he falters, though. He's got a lot invested in Boller.

bombquixote
05-28-2005, 10:01 AM
I was so pissed off yesterday, listening to Mark Viviano and the Bulldog they were talking to some dude from SI and the question of the Broncos came up. anyhow, the SI dude trashed us about making these pickups and of course the Bulldog is a huge Ravens fan burst out laughing while stating how the Ravens own us. man, i so hope we beat those ****ers this year. i just dont want to beat them, i want to embarrass them as well. will the mighty gods look out for us this year?

fear not. this time it will be different. they will send their army. we will send back bags full of pieces.

labronco
05-28-2005, 10:14 AM
Here's a hope that Sauerbrun set a record for the least punting attempts this year.

If Williams stays healthy, he will have a chance to become the best kick-returner in NFL.

Shanny doesn't need to explain anything. Though letting go Hayward hurt, that happens in free agency. I see significant improvement on special team. I see a lot of hungry, talented guys on defense. I see much needed maturity on WR corp.

We are a much better team this year. And we weren't far off last year. I see us getting deep into the playoffs.

watermock
05-28-2005, 10:21 AM
The Raven's game should be a hot ticket.

Atlas
05-28-2005, 10:24 AM
The Raven's game should be a hot ticket.

F$%& the Ravens

FADERPROOF
05-28-2005, 10:42 AM
Boller's out of excuses this year. The Ratbirds added Derrick Mason through free agency and Mark Clayton via the draft. Add that to the fact that he's got a Pro Bowl caliber TE, a franchise LT and a RB who should be over that pesky cocaine distribution conviction and there's really no reason for him not to succeed.

Well, no reason other than his own ineptitude.

That lovely Tedford offense that Boller played under at Cal is paying off just as much as it did for Akili Smith and Joey Harrington when Tedford was at Oregon.

watermock
05-28-2005, 11:12 AM
We get the Raven's at home this year. I have that one penciled. I hate that team beyond Oakland if that's possible.

Rascal
05-28-2005, 11:34 AM
With the talent the ravens have, if Boller falters this year he is gone. There is no reason for them not to have a good offense with those WR's, TE, RB's, and offensive line. He is by far the weakest link. If he improves this year the Raven's are going to be tough, having said that I think he busts and we kick their ass. At least I hope so damnit.

Off all the people we brought in I only dislike two of the moves and those were because of their contract and resulting in not bringing in others. First, I think we should have tagged Warren for more then one year. Have an option on it or something but one year? Kiss is ass goodbye if he does well. Secondly, SOB Gold's contract. We way overpaid on him. I don't mind bringing him in so much as the contract he got. If we had paid him like he should be paid we could have had enough money to go get Demulling and then our O-line would be awesome. As is we have a huge question mark at guard. That's going to piss me off for a long time unless Carlisle ends up being awesome which I doubt.

Crushaholic
05-28-2005, 01:25 PM
This Jeff moron must have missed the news when Shanahan insisted that Rice isn't guaranteed a spot on the roster. If the veterans are too old to play, Shanahan won't keep them around. It's as simple as that.

watermock
05-28-2005, 02:01 PM
I differ. I think Shanahan will keep Rice around as a personal favor.

I don't you have seen the Travis McGriff fiasco, or Patrick Hape, or a few others.

Rice makes the team and lay odds.

DBroncos4life
05-28-2005, 02:32 PM
I differ. I think Shanahan will keep Rice around as a personal favor.

I don't you have seen the Travis McGriff fiasco, or Patrick Hape, or a few others.

Rice makes the team and lay odds.



i don't see why keeping Hape around is that bad of a deal. Sure he doesn't play that much but when he does he catches tds. He is just about a sure thing in the redzone as anyone else on the team.

Sean
05-28-2005, 04:19 PM
i don't see why keeping Hape around is that bad of a deal. Sure he doesn't play that much but when he does he catches tds. He is just about a sure thing in the redzone as anyone else on the team.

Shanahan sees something in Hape to be sure, but I'm not so sure about that "sure thing in the redzone" statement. Seems to me the most glaring memory I have of Hape is him dropping yet another first down pass, and watching Shanahan meet him as he was walking off the field, screaming "How many chances do you want?" ... obviously inferring that Shanny was questioning his decision not to cut him. There's something there though, he makes great plays at times. He must practice well or I imagine he'd be history by now.

TheManeMan
05-28-2005, 04:22 PM
Why is it that once the article starts talking about injury risks, it finishes...with no mention of any of the former Browns?

Cito Pelon
05-28-2005, 04:45 PM
Shanny and the boys have a lot of work to do. But he does have a pretty good bunch of athletes and coaches.

What you're seeing from a lot of media these days is people who were afraid to stick their necks out and criticize "The Mastermind" for the past three years, now they are. Probably too late for it now. Nevertheless, Shanny and the boys have a lot of work to do.

Cito Pelon
05-28-2005, 04:53 PM
Why is it that once the article starts talking about injury risks, it finishes...with no mention of any of the former Browns?

It was a pretty weak article. Not well put together at all. Broncs sign two guys over 30, and there's something there to write about??????

DBroncos4life
05-28-2005, 05:20 PM
Shanahan sees something in Hape to be sure, but I'm not so sure about that "sure thing in the redzone" statement. Seems to me the most glaring memory I have of Hape is him dropping yet another first down pass, and watching Shanahan meet him as he was walking off the field, screaming "How many chances do you want?" ... obviously inferring that Shanny was questioning his decision not to cut him. There's something there though, he makes great plays at times. He must practice well or I imagine he'd be history by now.


I have not seen him drop too many passes thrown his way at all. When he is in the game its only really in the redzone and he seems to find away to get open and thats better then most of the guys. In the four years he has been in Denver he has only 33 catches but 9 of them have been for TD's. Last year he had 8 catches and 4 TD's. Thats not all that bad if you ask me when he only plays spot duty.

Cito Pelon
05-28-2005, 05:42 PM
I have not seen him drop too many passes thrown his way at all. When he is in the game its only really in the redzone and he seems to find away to get open and thats better then most of the guys. In the four years he has been in Denver he has only 33 catches but 9 of them have been for TD's. Last year he had 8 catches and 4 TD's. Thats not all that bad if you ask me when he only plays spot duty.

Hape's actually tied as the red-zone stud the past three years. ShanaKubiak have a little work to do on their red-zone O. I'm confident they're addressing that. If I were them, I'd be a little pissed off.

labronco
05-28-2005, 07:17 PM
We get the Raven's at home this year. I have that one penciled. I hate that team beyond Oakland if that's possible.

my feelings exactly. may i add the colts to this list? they all think they are better than us.

-Slap-
05-28-2005, 07:25 PM
Hopefully Hape will get a fair shake in his training camp battle with Christian Fairy.

edit: We signed Fauria, right?

edit: Nope. Stephen Alexander. eh. Like Hape's chances more now.