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bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 06:55 AM
May 26, 2005
By Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

What in the heck is going on in Denver? The Broncos have spent the offseason loading up on players with questionable character and questionable injury histories and creaky veterans such as Jerry Rice, who would be better off hitting golf balls than trying to hang on to a career that's starting to smell like Johnny Unitas wearing a Chargers uniform.

Is Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who we call the Teflon Coach since all the criticism simply rolls off his back, in panic mode in an attempt to win a playoff game for the first time since John Elway retired?

Or are all the moves he has made ones that can pan out and potentially get this team back to a Super Bowl?

"You have to wonder about that team," said one NFC personnel director. "Some of those guys he brought in are big bums. They flopped at other spots badly. What's to think they'll make it there?"

Rice became the latest to join the Broncos when he signed a one-year contract Wednesday for a chance to be the team's fourth receiver. To me, Rice is the best football player ever to wear pads. He is so far ahead of everyone else at his position, he has to earn that moniker.

He was a joy to watch. Now he's not. Rice was never a burner, but now he'd have trouble separating from a high school corner. Why he continues to play is mystifying. Let's hope his magical career isn't tarnished by this move.

We never liked seeing Joe Namath in a Rams uniform or O.J. Simpson wearing the San Francisco 49ers colors. How about Tony Dorsett in a Broncos jersey?

In some cities, the coach can't be blamed for personnel moves. In Denver, he certainly can. Shanahan runs the show, and the roster is his to fill.

He takes the heat for all the moves.

Back when Elway was throwing lasers and Terrell Davis was ripping off a 2,000-yard season, Shanahan was billed as a mastermind, a label he never backed away from. Now many in Denver, including some of his players, know the pressure is on more than ever. The tarnish is ruining his shine.

"Guys talk," said one player. "They know that Mike has to start winning. They know we haven't won a playoff game in a long time."

Teams that make the playoffs -- which Denver has the past two years -- and get defeated in the first round sometimes have a tendency to panic. The carrot is hanging so close, so they sell their soul to get it.

Is this what Shanahan is doing?

In giving him the benefit of the doubt, there isn't a lot of big money being spent to take a chance on the questionable players he's acquired. That lessens the hurt if they do flop.

The real issue, though, is can the players help? Can three defensive linemen Shanahan acquired from a Cleveland team that finished 28th against the run really help improve the Denver defense?

Can doughboy runner Ron Dayne resurrect his career, or is he destined to be known as the biggest tap-dancer in running back history for a man his size? What about the Michelin Man with the attitude, Maurice Clarett? Or troubled punter Todd Sauerbrun, whose flabby body makes one wonder what the heck he did with those supplements he reportedly got from a doctor in Carolina?

Good luck, Mike. You'll need it with your Three Wide Men.

Here's a closer look at the players the Broncos brought in this offseason.

Signing Rice: At 42, what does he have left? Rice works out as hard as anyone in the offseason and has insisted he can play until he's 45. But he did little last year with Seattle, catching 30 passes for 429 yards -- the lowest production of his career for a non-injury season. The Broncos would have been better off letting a young, faster player emerge as their fourth receiver. Rate the move: This one makes no sense. Play a kid as the fourth receiver.

Signing Dayne: He has been a major flop since the Giants used a first-round pick on him in 2001. He has never run like a guy who weighs 250 pounds. Soft is a label he's earn, not only for his midsection, but also for the way he pounds the rock. It's a belief in Denver that any runner can have success in the Broncos system, a belief proven over time. Can Dayne? Not likely. Rate the move: Bad. Dayne isn't very good.

Trading for Sauerbrun: Sauerbrun, despite his off-field issues, is one of the league's best punters. He has a booming leg, finishing tied for third in the league last season for Carolina with a 44.1 average. That will go up kicking in Mile High Stadium. Keeping him in line might be another story. Rate the move: Outstanding -- as long as he stays clear of problems.

Acquiring Cleveland defensive lineman Ebenzer Ekuban, Gerard Warren and Courtney Brown: Brown and Warren are former high first-round picks -- Brown the first overall in 2000 -- while Ekuban was a first-round pick of the Cowboys. So the pedigree is there. All have had problems, though. Brown has battled injury woes for most of his career, and he failed a physical in Cleveland before he was let go because of a foot injury. Brown's a great guy, but injuries have made him a bad trivia question since he's the last non-quarterback to go first overall in the draft. Warren has loads of ability, but he was a major problem for the Browns. He didn't practice hard, and when coach Butch Davis allowed him to get away with it, there was friction in the locker room. If Warren does get committed to the cause, he can be an impact player. That's an "if" that's as wide as his waistline. Ekuban had a good year for the Browns last season, starting 14 games and getting eight sacks. But he had shoulder problems and had knee surgery after the season. Damaged goods. Can any of the three have productive 2005 seasons? The guess is Warren can if the Broncos stay on his ample behind. One out of three would be a good hit for Denver. Rate the move: So-so. If Warren becomes a starter and Ekuban can give them pass-rush help, these moves could work out.

Drafting Clarett: Using a third-round pick on Clarett opened a lot of eyes around the league. Clarett last played football as a freshman at Ohio State in 2002. He was then declared ineligible the next season for taking illegal benefits and hasn't played since. He tried to force his way into the draft last year through the courts but was denied. He then showed up out of running shape to the combine this year and didn't wow many at his Pro Day Workout. But this could be a move that pays off big for Denver. Clarett can run the football. "You look at him get into the hole so quickly and you know he's going to be successful," said one NFC scout. "He may not be a burner, but he knows how to run." Rate the move: Good. Clarett will help this team in a year or two. Once he makes over his body into an NFL physique, he will be a 1,000-yard rusher.

bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 07:00 AM
I consider this flattery. What other team has done enough this offseason to warrant an article like this?

I do have one HUGE issue with it, and its the following statement: " Is Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who we call the Teflon Coach since all the criticism simply rolls off his back". Seriously? I don't think there is a GM or Head Coach that catches more heat than Shanny. The only place he hasn't caught heat is with Pat Bowlen. Perhaps that is because Pat Bowlen is smart enough to know that Mike Shanahan is still a top 5 coach in this league. For example, let's say Shanny got the boot. What's the over-under on teams that would line up to hire him? I'd say at least 10. Some of those teams would be willing to cut bait with existing coaches to make room. And one last thing... Shanny catches heat because of his own high standards. If he came out and said this team is going to shoot for the playoffs (instead of his usual Super Bowl spiel), then the heat would come down. His career record, even without Elway, is up there with the best coaches in the league. He has more Super Bowls than Bill Parcells. This whole idea is just friggn' dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!!!

bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 07:01 AM
Oh yeah... and the famous "said on NFL personnel director" quotes are just worthless. It's probably the personnel director for the Arizonal Cardinals who have been in last place for like 20 years in a row. Hell, they are the only reason San Fran won a game last year.

elsid13
05-27-2005, 07:09 AM
Dayne signed at the vet mininum, and is 5 on depth chart, it not like Denver is depending on him to run the ball to win. I hate when the media focuses on one or two players and fail to see the larger picture. Rice is coming in to help in the Red Zone, yes he cann't run deep any more, but he still can get open when he only needs to go 15 yards!!!

fontaine
05-27-2005, 07:24 AM
The only genuine criticisms he has with the moves that he rates as bad ones are Rice and Ron Dayne.

Both of whom aren't even guranteed roster spots so all of his criticism and uproar are a moot point.

The actual moves that we're counting on (Brown/Warren/Ekuban, Clarett, Sourbrun) that he has listed aren't rated as bad moves but ones that come with question marks like health, and attitude issues.

Isn't that the definition of Free Agency? Even players that are regarded as a sure thing in free agency have questions attached to them like Peerless Price, TO, Holliday, Jevon Kearse and sometimes they don't pan out.

I guess Denver has made a lot of questionable moves, I'm just glad that their isn't top dollar attached. And really with Pryce back, if Myers and Warren stay healthy then our DL will be improved over what we had last year. Who knows, maybe having a rotation of Palepoi and Ekuban might be better than we all expect.

Spider
05-27-2005, 07:42 AM
Ha! Pete Prisco went on a tangent ........ Notice he left out the bucks , and I loved the part about NFC source , a Player said Hilarious! .........
also Pete prisco forgot alot of theseguys still have to take a roster spot .............

TheReverend
05-27-2005, 07:44 AM
I really liked this article... my only conflicting belief is, I think, Warren and Brown will both stay healthy and dominate.

Darkdoc
05-27-2005, 09:03 AM
If Rice has only 32 catches, but 15 for touchdowns, it was a great trade, I'm happy.

Not a bad article in general, although, who gives a rat's arse what Prisco really thinks.

bombquixote
05-27-2005, 10:20 AM
prisco=idiot. i don't hold it against him. it's like blaming the sun for shining. whoever hired him, though...

baja
05-27-2005, 10:22 AM
If Rice has only 32 catches, but 15 for touchdowns, it was a great trade, I'm happy.

Not a bad article in general, although, who gives a rat's arse what Prisco really thinks.


Who did we trade

o_robbie
05-27-2005, 10:32 AM
I think if you look at the difference between Richard Seymour and Gerard Warren you will be surprised to see their stats are similar over their careers. Seymour has been to a Pro Bowl and Warren just got dumped for a 4th rounder. To me this will be the greatest move of the off season. If Brown is able to stay healthy fine added bonus. But even if we miss on him Warren is going to be the best DT on our team.
If/When Denver decides to line up Pryce and Warren at DT and rush whichever 2 DE's seperate themselves as pass rushing specialists the pocket will collapse and Champ and Walls will look like much better DB's. I think the defense this year will be top 5 in the NFL with our offense improving thanks to special teams a.k.a filed position. Now it is up to Shanny to figure out how to get the ball in the damn endzone when we get inside the 20.

This is where I hope a guy like Dayne or Clarett can steal a few carries from Tatum. On the third and 2's from the 11 where we need a guy to move the pile. I have always thought that if Zach Crockett became available that Denver should go after himi. He is a frickin stud on those third and shorts.

bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 10:50 AM
I think if you look at the difference between Richard Seymour and Gerard Warren you will be surprised to see their stats are similar over their careers. Seymour has been to a Pro Bowl and Warren just got dumped for a 4th rounder. To me this will be the greatest move of the off season. If Brown is able to stay healthy fine added bonus. But even if we miss on him Warren is going to be the best DT on our team.
I see some rep coming...!!!!

I thought you were crazy making this statement, but I looked it up. They were both drafted in 2001, which makes comparing easy:

Seymour
Games Tkl Solo Asst Sack INT Pass Def
59 196 116.0 80 21.5 1 11

Warren
60 150 113.0 37 16.5 0 6

So Seymour is averaging 1.25 more sack per season and 10 more tackles. Although they are about even on the solo/main tackle dept. I guess Warren just doesn't dive on the pile as much ;)

Seymour is used slightly differently as DT in the 3 - 4 scheme than Warren. But, many contend that Cleveland didn't use Warren correctly either. So, I guess we'll have to wait and see, but this is encouraging.

I am also impressed to note that Warren has been very durable, averaging 15 games per season!

Mile High Shack
05-27-2005, 10:57 AM
typical offseason shanny hating article

I'm not predicting a thing really until I see them play in preseason

Kaylore
05-27-2005, 11:03 AM
excellent. The media machine is slowly leaning toward "these guys will suck horribly." I'm hoiping they eventually get to where they can't back-peddle and look like total idiots when the guys we brought in start helping the team.

I don't expect a pro-bowl performance out of the guys we got. They just need to do their job. I relly think they will do that. If they can be respectably consistant in their roles, the team will really click this season. Then the media will dot he same thing thye do everytime they're wrong: talk about it like they weren't part of it. "Despite heavy criticism, the Broncos were able to...blah, blah, blah." Or because its Denver, they'll ignore us again completely and run a special on Tom Brady's favorite foods.

Hogan11
05-27-2005, 11:26 AM
I must admit...the "Three Wide Men" comment made me laugh a little....that's about all I can say about it.

DBroncos4life
05-27-2005, 11:34 AM
Is Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who we call the Teflon Coach since all the criticism simply rolls off his back, in panic mode in an attempt to win a playoff game for the first time since John Elway retired?


Im thinking this is a must in every article about the Broncos. I can just see it now. Lynch and Smith give back to the community. Then poof somewhere in there is a paragragh how Mike hasn't done crap since Elway left. I really feel bad for those coaches that havn't been to the playoffs at all in the last 6 years. Please forgive Mike would you? I also don't remember a interview with Mike going like this. Coach Shanahan you just won back to back Super Bowls how do you feel.... (coach Mike) Ummm its now Mastermind...(reporter) Excuse me? (Mike) My name its now Mastermind, I want you to call me that for now on otherwise I won't answer your questions.

bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 11:46 AM
Then poof somewhere in there is a paragragh how Mike hasn't done crap since Elway left. I really feel bad for those coaches that havn't been to the playoffs at all in the last 6 years. Please forgive Mike would you?
No kidding! I admire Shanny for the fact that he is willing to be judged by a Super Bowl or bust mentality every year. If more coaches lived up to that, then there would be 31 coaches (all but Bellichick) taking this same heat right now. How about Cowher, Marty, and Reid. What a group of choke artists they are. Yet, somehow they get a pass in the media. I guess we should set our goals so low that they are attainable. Shanny says, "Let's go out and win one game this year boys."

Reid is a great example. I happen to like the guy, but if he were judged the same way Shanny is, he'd be crucified. He brough in TO and still couldn't win the big one. Now TO is causing all kinds of hell and throwing his franchise QB under the bus. How come no one has called him a "turd"?

I also don't remember a interview with Mike going like this. Coach Shanahan you just won back to back Super Bowls how do you feel.... (coach Mike) Ummm its now Mastermind...(reporter) Excuse me? (Mike) My name its now Mastermind, I want you to call me that for now on otherwise I won't answer your questions.
Hilarious! Since he's obviously twice as smart as Prisco, maybe he should?

Ballhawk
05-27-2005, 11:51 AM
Can someone in the Media please show they have an understanding of the Salary Cap. If everyplayer we acquired gets cut in preseason, then all we lost out on is a 4th round pick and RD. Who did we give a big signing bonus to?

Also this 28th against the run thing is getting a bit old. LBs reflect more about the ability to stop the run than DL. Not that Dline does not contribute, but LBs are responsible for filling the gaps, taking proper pursuit angles, shedding blocks or avoiding them. No one states that Clev was 5th against the pass, and overall was 15th ranked D in the NFL.

Bias, Bias, Bias

bloodsunday
05-27-2005, 11:56 AM
Also this 28th against the run thing is getting a bit old. LBs reflect more about the ability to stop the run than DL.
True, true, true. I guess we are going to drop from 4th against the run to 28th because we acquired Brown and Warren. ???

These guys were acquired to rush the passer, which they all do relatively well for their positions. I posted in another thread that the remaining Cleveland D-lineman have 6.5 career NFL sacks! We took the only pass rush they had. Blend their pass rush, with Pryce and our stout run stopping and this d-line could be special.

I also recommend that haters review the stats between Seymour and Warren.

sirhcyennek81
05-27-2005, 01:03 PM
Browns used a two gap system. Warren is not a two gap tackle. Watch him, he will earn an extension with denver. Brown will also suprise people, too.

Pat Bowlen
05-27-2005, 01:50 PM
I want to know who that player is. "They know that Mike has to start winning." Does he think that he's a video game character, and that my boy has the controller in his hands on gameday? I'm going to find out which dumbass just signed his release papers for Pete Prisco, and laugh him out the door.

Crow
05-27-2005, 01:52 PM
This is some good stuff here. The Warren/Seymour comparison is especially amusing. ;D

bronco militia
05-27-2005, 01:53 PM
typical offseason shanny hating article

I'm not predicting a thing really until I see them play in preseason

this kind of article was typical of the local media of the past 5 years....now the national media has joined the fray....

-Slap-
05-27-2005, 03:51 PM
This is some good stuff here. The Warren/Seymour comparison is especially amusing. ;D

Reminds me of the saying, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

Jason in LA
05-27-2005, 04:14 PM
Dayne signed at the vet mininum, and is 5 on depth chart, it not like Denver is depending on him to run the ball to win. I hate when the media focuses on one or two players and fail to see the larger picture. Rice is coming in to help in the Red Zone, yes he cann't run deep any more, but he still can get open when he only needs to go 15 yards!!!

I agree. I get tired of hearing about Dayne, Clarett, and now Rice. Now of those guys were brought in to be impact players. The Broncos were just filling out the roster with them. I wouldn't be shocked if Dayne and/or Rice didn't even make the team. Clarett will make it, but he wasn't drafted with the expectations of being a 1,000 back this year. Only way he gets a lot of time is if Bell gets hurt, and he beats out everybody else for the backup job.

I rather see the media focus on the D linemen from Cleveland. Warren, Brown and Ekuban were brought in to make an impact. If they get something out of two of those guys, and have a healty Pryce, Shanny will be looking like a mastermind. I do get tired of the media acting as if the Broncos are going to roll out the entire Cleveland defense. That's not the case. The Broncos have very good LBs, and are pretty good in the secondary, even though they don't get credit for it. Add Pryce to Cleveland's line last year and nobody is saying they all sucked.

Crow
05-27-2005, 06:51 PM
Reminds me of the saying, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

I had to quote that a few weeks ago when a couple Raider fans tried telling me that 2004's Ted Washington was a more effective DT than 2002's Sam Adams because he had more tackles.

Yeah, I actually had to have that conversation. Mind numbing.

Clockwork Orange
05-27-2005, 07:35 PM
Overall a pretty fair article.

watermock
05-28-2005, 05:24 AM
Overall a pretty fair article.

I totally disagree.

Look at the moves, starting with the Washington trade before the draft. Denver picks up Washington's first, quite likely to be around the top 10, and possibly the top 5, especially if Portis goes down, which isn't out of the question, since Gibbs is working him like a rented mule and hasn't a clue how to use him. Gibbs trying to use Portis like John Riggins and waning remorse for his good old days of Nascar....yes, this bodes well with the trigger happy Snyder, yet alone the odd WR moves and Washington is now up against the cap long term. OBTW, Denver also picked up which looks like a high 4th as well. So instead of a #25 pick, we pick up a high first and a high 4th in a draft considerably better next year.

The Browncos. Droughns wanted a chance to have a shot at starting at RB. The problem is, Tatem Bell is penciled in there, and now we also have Clarett, a media darling before off-field problems and bad training dropped him. Add in Kyle Johnson, Q, Anderson, and Sapp...yeah, we are really going to miss Droughns. Oh I forgot, we got a former top 3 pick in Warren at 2 million in a contract year, for a 4th (replaced with the Washington draft trade) and oh yes, Myers and Ekuban for virtually nothing for a RB that was going to ride the bench.

C. Brown wasn't even traded for, he's got a rather fat contract after this year. At least he's running, unlike Ty Law, who the genius coach in Cleveland is drooling over, despite the fact Law is still in a boot. If Brown can stay healthy, he might be a force. He's running and might need to play within himself.

Rice has to show he can make the team, he's getting minimum vet, it's nothing.

Saurkraut is a decent punter, kinda reminds me of Jano, I didn't really care, but he should be an improvement, and again, pretty cheap for a vet.

None of these players cost much at all.

Add in a modest redo of Hamilton, Walls, Cooper, all came relatively cheap. Add in a few OL that might or might not contribute.

All of this will sort out.

We are too thin at RB, and too young in the secondary, but again, considering our cap numbers, we did alot more than I thought. Ian Gold also got back on the team. He's not some worldbeater, but with someone in front of him to protect him, might be better than some detractors think.

:spit:

Considering we were only 3 million under the cap because of other gaffs, we did enough to fill out the roster and possibly find some jems.

Boogerboots
05-28-2005, 05:38 AM
There's nothing earth shattering here. Of course some of these moves are questioned with some degree of doubt since there's a high risk/reward involved with virtually every move we made this offseason.

Overall, I excited with these moves cause if at least half of them pan out, the Broncos will be a better team than last year, overall.

Shanny is banking on the Patriot's formula to work in Denver. Bring in some retreads and some question marks and get them to buy into the system. In the end you get a better team and the coach looks like a stinkin genius.