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Atlas
05-26-2005, 03:44 AM
Topping the expansion list

These four cities most deserve a major pro team
Posted: Tuesday May 24, 2005 11:12AM; Updated: Tuesday May 24, 2005 1:00PM

Some cities have one major pro team, and that's probably all they need (see Salt Lake City; Sacramento; and Columbus, Ohio).

Some cities have multiple pro franchises, perhaps too many (do we really need two NHL teams in Los Angeles?).

Whether a city measures itself by the amount of pro teams calling it home is a debate fought mostly in sports bars and local governments. But we do know there are certain voids in the geographical makeup of the four major sports, voids that could be filled with one word:

Expansion.

To be sure, the void could also be filled with another word -- relocation -- but we don't want to encourage the owners to continue playing musical chairs and causing messy divorces between their teams and the fans. Expansion is a much more humane approach to the problem, don't you think?

So without regard to the actual specifics of how to get it done, here are the American cities that should top each sport's wish list.

NBA

Attendance for the NBA's latest expansion team, the Charlotte Bobcats, wasn't exactly a rousing success during the club's inaugural season. The average of 14,475 was among the lowest in the league. Even more disconcerting was the Bobcats' percentage of capacity -- a league-low 61.9 percent. Perhaps the fans are waiting for the new Charlotte Arena to open for the 2005-06 campaign.

Those jarring numbers will prove valuable if and when the NBA decides to expand again. Instead of returning to a city that once had an NBA team (i.e. St. Louis, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo), the league should make a bold move, one that would cement it as the most progressive -- and most hip -- league. It would involve expanding into ...

Las Vegas.

WHY LAS VEGAS? The four major sports leagues obviously have stayed away from the Sin City because of the gambling aspect, but let's face it -- with gambling on the Internet so prevalent, people are going to find a way to bet, no matter how close the team plays to an actual sports book. Worries about potential improprieties with a pro team playing in a state with legalized betting no longer are valid.

The NBA certainly doesn't seem worried. Preseason games have been played at the Thomas & Mack Center. The WNBA's Connecticut Sun play their home games at a casino (the Mohegan Sun). The Maloofs, who own the Sacramento Kings, also own a Vegas hotel-casino. And when the Grizzlies hightailed it out of Vancouver in 2001, Vegas was among the cities mentioned as their new home.

Meanwhile, the NBA is scouting Las Vegas as a possible site for the 2007 All-Star Game (the casinos have agreed not to take bets on the game). Might that be a precursor to something bigger?

"This is an international city," Gavin Maloof told the Sacramento Bee, "and the NBA is an international league."

Plus, basketball just seems to be a better fit in Vegas. It's a more intimate sport, like boxing. UNLV has created hoops buzz with its Runnin' Rebels; the NBA could take it one step further. Plus, have you seen how NBA players are introduced these days? Those theatrics are just a notch below what you might find at a show at the Bellagio.

At some point, one of the pro leagues is going to find a way to tap into the Vegas market (and all that Vegas money). NBA commissioner David Stern seems just the type to get it done first. And if he doesn't want to expand ... well, is there any chance the Clippers could be moved? How 'bout the Hawks? Or perhaps speculation, thus far unfounded, that the Maloofs might move the Kings to Vegas may one day come true.

Other cities worth considering: Louisville, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.

MLB


Should the Washington Nationals really be somewhere else? Orioles owner Peter Angelos would say yes but the rest of us can take a wait-and-see approach before passing judgment on whether baseball will succeed in the nation's capital.

But if the ex-Expos had not moved to D.C., where would they have gone? One of the possibilities leads our list of best cities for MLB expansion ...

Portland.

WHY PORTLAND? Now that D.C. has a team, Portland is the largest metropolitan area in the U.S. without a baseball franchise. It's also the largest market with just one major sports team (the NBA's Trail Blazers). And it would offer a natural rival for the Seattle Mariners (and provide visiting teams a chance to play two series instead of one against teams in the Pacific Northwest, perhaps saving on travel costs).

Unlike, say, San Antonio or Sacramento, a Portland team would have the backing of the entire state. And unlike, say, too-hot Las Vegas, Portland just seems a better fit for baseball, with its more leisurely, less frenetic pace.

The Portland Baseball Group estimates that a major league team would "generate an estimated $433 million in revenues to the state over a 25-year period." That doesn't include another $53 million in income taxes from the workers at a new ballpark, the PBG adds.

Meanwhile, a coalition of groups is already working hard to get a major league stadium built. You can view the coalition's plan at www.oregonstadiumcampaign.com/.

The city of Portland has been aggressive in pursuing a team. Maybe MLB should do more than just listen.

Other cities worth considering: San Antonio, Las Vegas, Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte, Hartford.


NFL

Bigfoot. Loch Ness Monster. Paris Hilton's continued popularity. Meet the unexplained mysteries of life.

Add to that list a certain city in Southern California not having an NFL team.

Of course, there are some shades of explanation (see Davis, Al and Frontiere, Georgia). But really, there is no logic for the second biggest TV market in the U.S. not fielding a team from the country's most popular TV sports league. That's why only one city deserves the NFL's next expansion team ...

Los Angeles.

WHY LOS ANGELES? Because the timing couldn't be better. The Lakers, the city's favorite team, is in shambles. The Angels, no matter how many ways they add L.A. to their name, will never be the city's favored baseball team -- but the Dodgers haven't been to the World Series since 1988. And the NHL? Sorry, Wayne Gretzky's long gone.

Meanwhile, if NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue doesn't bring a team to L.A. before he hands over the reigns, it will be the darkest spot on an otherwise stellar resume. He has tried and failed in 1999, victimized by nasty politics in L.A. while attempting to develop a feasible stadium and ownership plan (the NFL eventually made the option pitch to Houston). But if he can get it done in an environment of mostly negative forces, then his mover-and-shaker status will be cemented.

At some point, the league will return to L.A. Sheer logic dictates it. Cooler political heads will prevail, stadium issues will be resolved and enough luxury boxes will be built to house all the celebrities who'll clamor for expensive digs.

Now if Tagliabue can just find a way to prevent Ms. Hilton from appearing on TV again ...

Other cities worth considering: San Antonio, Memphis, Portland.

NHL

If Houston is good enough for Gordie Howe, then it's good enough for the rest of us.

First of all, the NHL doesn't need to expand. If anything, it needs to contract. (Well, if anything, it needs to fix its labor problems and actually play games again. But that's a topic for another day).

Since our premise is to select one American city that should have an NHL franchise but currently doesn't (thus ruling out a selection of more deserving Canadian cities), then the choice is ...

Houston.

WHY HOUSTON? It's the biggest U.S. city without an NHL team. It has high-level hockey roots, dating back to Gordie Howe's Houston Aeros in the 1970s. And it has a current minor league team, the reincarnated Aeros of the AHL.

Although the Aeros' average attendance this season was roughly middle of the road among AHL teams (5.669 for 40 regular season dates), Houston is similar to its fellow Texas city up north, Dallas, which basically ignored its minor-league hockey team in the early '90s but now offers hearty support to the NHL's Stars.

Having Houston in the NHL would, of course, produce a natural rivalry in Texas (and cut down on travel costs, since visitors could now play two road games in fairly close proximity instead of going out of their way to play a single game in Dallas).

Plus, Houston is on a sports roll. The NFL has returned with the Texans. The Astros have a relatively new ballpark, and the Rockets have a relatively new arena. Local government has been very supportive of sports, and the chance to become a four-sport town might be one of the city's goals.

Other cities worth considering: Portland, Seattle, Hartford, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Oklahoma City, Cincinnati.

Atlas
05-26-2005, 03:46 AM
Slap what do you think about an NBA team in Vegas. I can just imagine every hotel there would be comping tickets. I go to Vegas quite a bit taking in an NBA game would be cool. Slot machines in the bathrooms!!!

watermock
05-26-2005, 03:46 AM
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The Okoboji Catfish.

watermock
05-26-2005, 03:55 AM
I honestly think Las Vegas might hold a stronger franchise than Los Angeles.

Atlas
05-26-2005, 04:02 AM
I honestly think Las Vegas might hold a stronger franchise than Los Angeles.

THe temptation for players to gamble would be great.

Gambling and hookers!!! What 23 year old wouldn't want to play on that team?

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 05:37 AM
Slap what do you think about an NBA team in Vegas. I can just imagine every hotel there would be comping tickets. I go to Vegas quite a bit taking in an NBA game would be cool. Slot machines in the bathrooms!!!

I hope the city gets a baseball team first, but basketball might be an easier startup. As long as ownership isn't cheap, people will support a team. Las Vegans won't have a lot of patience for a loser, though.

Tredici
05-26-2005, 07:41 AM
NHL in Houston? Screw that. Any place that doesn't broadcast Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals should forever rot in hockey hell.

Atlas
05-26-2005, 07:44 AM
NHL in Houston? Screw that. Any place that doesn't broadcast Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals should forever rot in hockey hell.

Your kidding???

Nuggets4
05-26-2005, 08:07 AM
Slap what do you think about an NBA team in Vegas. I can just imagine every hotel there would be comping tickets. I go to Vegas quite a bit taking in an NBA game would be cool. Slot machines in the bathrooms!!!

The NBA in Vegas is a brilliant idea. It needs to happen. And honeslty, if any commish has the balls to try to take Vegas on, it's Stern.

NHL in Houston? Screw that. Any place that doesn't broadcast Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals should forever rot in hockey hell.

Amen. Besides, Dallas has a team and they have more problems with the ice during the playoffs than any team ever known to man-kind.

Old Dude
05-26-2005, 08:19 AM
Frankly, I think 31 teams is enough already. (32 if you count Oakland).

Rock Chalk
05-26-2005, 08:20 AM
NHL in Houston? Screw that. Any place that doesn't broadcast Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals should forever rot in hockey hell.
Hoo! I knew that was coming/

Jason in LA
05-26-2005, 08:21 AM
It's silly to blame Tagliabue for LA not having a team. I wouldn't blame anybody because nobody really cares to put a team here. The fans don't really want it. There are so many transplants here that it would be hard to get a good fan base. The people that are native to LA root for other teams. I have two brothers that are Raider fans, one who is a Niner fan, one who is a Dolphin fan, and I'm a Bronco fan. We were all born and raised in LA, and none of us are going to drop our teams for a new team. Only one of us became a fan of the home team. My oldest brother liked the Raiders before they moved to LA. My brother who is a Dolphins fan became a fan when the Rams were here in LA. Me and one of my brothers became fans of our teams when both the Raiders and Rams were in LA. My other brother who is a Raider fan is the only one who became a fan of the home team. He started liking the Raiders when they were here in LA.

The NFL might be better off without a team in LA. Since the Raiders and Rams left the TV ratings have gone through the roof in LA. We get the double hitter every week, and the game of the week as well. When we had teams here we didn't get either of those. I remember one year Fox was hyping up the Niners/Cowboys game for two weeks. When Sunday came around we were watching the Rams and Falcons. That sucked bad. Most weeks we got one early game and one late game. We didn't get the double hitter that often.

Does the NFL want to risk high TV ratings just so 60-70,000 people can show up at a stadium? Doesn't it sound better to go after the 13 million people in this area, instead of the 60-70,000 that the stadium will hold?

The NFL, and the fans in LA, are all better off without a team here. If a team does move here, I want it to be the Chargers, so I don't have to drive an hour and a half to watch the Broncos play in San Diego.

watermock
05-26-2005, 08:34 AM
Well, that's L.A.

I support my idiots up in Minneapolis because thats the local market.

Dealing with the Whizzinator, McCombs, Fowler, Moss, Chris Carter, PencilHead and Hosers, it's really tried my patience. But I grew up under the HornHeads, so I have extreme patience. Broncos seem to be headed in the right direction at least as much as the Vikings.

Both teams are stubbing their toes, but should be strong.

BlitzingDog
05-26-2005, 08:55 AM
Iowa City, Iowa

Atlas
05-26-2005, 11:08 AM
I blame Al Davis for L.A> not having a team. HE ruined the city for football.

DrFate
05-26-2005, 11:18 AM
Being from around there, I think Washington DC deserves an NFL franchise.

:)

FADERPROOF
05-26-2005, 12:20 PM
NHL in Houston? Screw that. Any place that doesn't broadcast Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals should forever rot in hockey hell.

It'll be interesting if Houston does have a NHL team, so 1 montth before the playoffs start Alec can proclaim how much of a fan he is of the team and how well he hopes they do, as long as the Houston franchise is going to make the playoffs.

Paladin
05-26-2005, 12:33 PM
Luckenbach, Texas. (Also known as Laughingstock, Nexus)

bendog
05-26-2005, 12:36 PM
Being from around there, I think Washington DC deserves an NFL franchise.

:)
I repped you on that because I was going to post that New Orleans deserved a legit franchise after putting up the the aints all these years

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 02:34 PM
I blame Al Davis for L.A> not having a team. HE ruined the city for football.

Al, Georgia and the slimy crooks on the Coliseum Commission are all partially responsible.

Rock Chalk
05-26-2005, 02:37 PM
It'll be interesting if Houston does have a NHL team, so 1 montth before the playoffs start Alec can proclaim how much of a fan he is of the team and how well he hopes they do, as long as the Houston franchise is going to make the playoffs.
Never ****ing happen dickwad. First of all, I hate hockey. Second of all, Im a bandwagon other sports fan (except college basketball and football). I watch the Houston teams as "my team" if they do well but im not investing all that energy into other sports I really could give a **** about in the regular season.

If you dont like it, suck a dick and get the **** lost. I dont give a ****.

Rock Chalk
05-26-2005, 02:38 PM
And Isaac, **** off about cleaning it up. If this co****cking prick wants to talk **** about me indirectly, he is gonna hear **** directly from me. Im not a pussy ass bitch who has to be coy about it.q

FADERPROOF
05-26-2005, 02:39 PM
Never ****ing happen dickwad. First of all, I hate hockey. Second of all, Im a bandwagon other sports fan (except college basketball and football). I watch the Houston teams as "my team" if they do well but im not investing all that energy into other sports I really could give a **** about in the regular season.

If you dont like it, suck a dick and get the **** lost. I dont give a ****.

It's all good, I just like how it's "screw baseball, and basketball sucks," until the Astros and Rockets clinch a playoff spot, then it's "Go Houston teams!"

It could happen in hockey, you hated baseball up until August last year.

FADERPROOF
05-26-2005, 02:39 PM
And Isaac, **** off about cleaning it up. If this corksucking prick wants to talk **** about me indirectly, he is gonna hear **** directly from me. Im not a p***Y ass b**** who has to be coy about it.q

LOL

Rock Chalk
05-26-2005, 02:39 PM
It's all good, I just like how it's "screw baseball, and basketball sucks," until the Astros and Rockets clinch a playoff spot, then it's "Go Houston teams!"

It could happen in hockey, you hated baseball up until August last year.
Yeah? And? Stupid mother ****er, when have I ever denied it?

Beantown Bronco
05-26-2005, 02:40 PM
I can feel the love.

FADERPROOF
05-26-2005, 02:42 PM
Yeah? And? Stupid mother ****er, when have I ever denied it?

When did I say you denied it? Looks to me that you should be calling yourself the stupid mother****er.

Spider
05-26-2005, 03:05 PM
I would like to add the City of Casper to the list ................. damn who am I kidding , you can take everyone in Natrona county and still not fill up invesco ... i withdraw the city of Casper to the list .........

GreatBronco16
05-26-2005, 03:18 PM
Well I would love to have a Pro team here in Alabama, but the fan base here is strickly college. Birmingham did put a bid in on the Vikings a few years back when they were up for sale, but that fell through.

Sodak
05-26-2005, 04:28 PM
Would anyone like to try a decaffeinated coffee?

Atlas
05-26-2005, 05:21 PM
Would anyone like to try a decaffeinated coffee?

put some rum in it and yes, give me two

Arkie
05-26-2005, 05:21 PM
L.A. deserves a team.





















Little Rock, Arkansas :D

C'mon the entire state doesn't have a major pro sport and only one major college program.

Hogan11
05-26-2005, 05:51 PM
Well I would love to have a Pro team here in Alabama, but the fan base here is strickly college. Birmingham did put a bid in on the Vikings a few years back when they were up for sale, but that fell through.

Every football league that has placed a franchise in Birmingham has failed.

That's not to fault the place, from what I understand, the city has strongly supported each team that was placed there from the Americans/Vulcans of the old WFL to the Bolts of the XFL.....it would work better there than in other cites (like say Memphis) if you're talking NFL franchise.....I couldn't speculate about the NBA, highly doubtful for MLB and the NHL should've never crossed the Mason-Dixon line IMO.

GreatBronco16
05-26-2005, 06:05 PM
Every football league that has placed a franchise in Birmingham has failed.

That's not to fault the place, from what I understand, the city has strongly supported each team that was placed there from the Americans/Vulcans of the old WFL to the Bolts of the XFL.....it would work better there than in other cites (like say Memphis) if you're talking NFL franchise.....I couldn't speculate about the NBA, highly doubtful for MLB and the NHL should've never crossed the Mason-Dixon line IMO.

I actually like watching the XFL team we had here in the Thunderbolts. I think it might have worked if it wasn't being run by Vince McMan. But Bama is just not a Pro sports state. This is and will probably allways be a College team state. We have alot of them.

Quagmire
05-26-2005, 06:16 PM
About Las Vegas having an Major sports would be a quick failure. Take a look at the past minor league franchises. One successful franchise I could think of is the Las Vegas Thunder of the former IHL and if they were winning people came to see them play but towards the end the attendance took a crap. WHY? people dont like to watch a losing team. The team had a couple good players and Manny Legace was one them who plays for the Detroit Red Wings now. We have had Basketball leagues fold and hockey teams pack up and go simply because the city doesnt support their teams. Look at the UNLV basketball games where maybe the arena is half full.I dont think Vegas is ready for a major pro team just yet. Maybe 5 years from now MAYBE. The thing is there is more than enough to do in Vegas than other cities that dont have much entertainment where a NBA basketball game would bring people to watch it. If Vegas is to have a pro team it better be a winning team otherwise its doomed.

Tombstone RJ
05-26-2005, 06:23 PM
No to LA and an expansion team. NO!!! I don't even want LA to get a relocated team. For me, LA has to prove it deserves a team. It shouldn't be given one because its so big. I'd FORCE LA to fund a new stadium if it wants a team, period.

Otherwise, it gets nothing, IMO.

Tombstone RJ
05-26-2005, 06:31 PM
And Isaac, **** off about cleaning it up. If this corksucking prick wants to talk **** about me indirectly, he is gonna hear **** directly from me. Im not a p***Y ass b**** who has to be coy about it.q

Here's another translation of Alec's rant:
Yah, BLEEP you, you mother BLEEPING BLEEP. Go BLEEP yourself.

Nice job Alec. :thumbs:

Tredici
05-26-2005, 06:37 PM
About Las Vegas having an Major sports would be a quick failure. Take a look at the past minor league franchises. One successful franchise I could think of is the Las Vegas Thunder of the former IHL and if they were winning people came to see them play but towards the end the attendance took a crap. WHY? people dont like to watch a losing team. The team had a couple good players and Manny Legace was one them who plays for the Detroit Red Wings now. We have had Basketball leagues fold and hockey teams pack up and go simply because the city doesnt support their teams. Look at the UNLV basketball games where maybe the arena is half full.I dont think Vegas is ready for a major pro team just yet. Maybe 5 years from now MAYBE. The thing is there is more than enough to do in Vegas than other cities that dont have much entertainment where a NBA basketball game would bring people to watch it. If Vegas is to have a pro team it better be a winning team otherwise its doomed.


Legace wasn't as good as Salo... Go Grizz.

Broncobuddy7
05-26-2005, 06:52 PM
Obviously I can't speak for everyone in LA, but I don't think the city is excited about getting an NFL team. Everyone I ask basically say's "who cares?" That's pretty sad considering the fact that I live in LA. Me personally, I could care less either. I'm not gonna stop rooting for the Broncos because LA finally got it's act together and decided to build a stadium. Think about the possible locations the NFL is considering. Pasadena: the people in the city of Pasadena don't want a stadium built there, especially the snobs living on the hill surrounding the Rose Bowl. Anaheim: the city of Anaheim is currently suing the Angels over their name change. The Coliseum: basically an outdated stadium sitting in the middle of a really bad neighborhood with no public parking to speak of. Those are your wonderful choices NFL.

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 06:53 PM
About Las Vegas having an Major sports would be a quick failure. Take a look at the past minor league franchises. One successful franchise I could think of is the Las Vegas Thunder of the former IHL and if they were winning people came to see them play but towards the end the attendance took a crap. WHY? people dont like to watch a losing team. The team had a couple good players and Manny Legace was one them who plays for the Detroit Red Wings now. We have had Basketball leagues fold and hockey teams pack up and go simply because the city doesnt support their teams. Look at the UNLV basketball games where maybe the arena is half full.I dont think Vegas is ready for a major pro team just yet. Maybe 5 years from now MAYBE. The thing is there is more than enough to do in Vegas than other cities that dont have much entertainment where a NBA basketball game would bring people to watch it. If Vegas is to have a pro team it better be a winning team otherwise its doomed.

The Stars/51s have been a successful AAA baseball franchise for over 20 years.

I was a season ticket holder for the Las Vegas Thunder for three seasons. The Stickney brothers were bringing a fine product to the people of Las Vegas and they had a solid core of hockey fans in the middle of the desert. Unfortunately, the pricks who own the Thomas and Mack Center had them in a terribly one sided lease and the Stickney's could only hemmorhage money for so long. The fans didn't stop showing up because the team was bad as much as they staged a blatant fire sale of every good player in the organization.

With the ongoing attempt to revitalize the downtown area (good luck, Oscar), you can believe a major league baseball team or NBA franchise is high on the wish list. They'll sell out all the luxury boxes with ease and competent ownership will be able to succeed here, both financially and competitively.

In fact, they should have major advantages in attracting free agents. No state tax for one thing. Lots of things to do, as you noted. Nice weather, if you're into hellish temperatures six months out of the year.

You get used to the distractions after living here for a while, but visiting teams will still want to experience everything. That should prove to a be a home field advantage right there.

You and the rest of the naysayers make me shake my head. Some podunk minor league team/league fails, so that's indicative of whether a major league team will succeed or not? Glad our city leaders have more vision than that, when they're not busy answering to ethics allegations.

Clockwork Orange
05-26-2005, 07:25 PM
Besides, Dallas has a team and they have more problems with the ice during the playoffs than any team ever known to man-kind.

Old Reunion Arena's ice was so bad that Avs players used to say it was like trying to skate on a Sno-Cone.

Jason in LA
05-26-2005, 08:14 PM
No to LA and an expansion team. NO!!! I don't even want LA to get a relocated team. For me, LA has to prove it deserves a team. It shouldn't be given one because its so big. I'd FORCE LA to fund a new stadium if it wants a team, period.

Otherwise, it gets nothing, IMO.


Most people don't want a team for reasons I stated earlier in this thread.

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 08:24 PM
Legace wasn't as good as Salo... Go Grizz.

It was beautiful seeing that little creep let down his entire country in the Olympics.

Jason in LA
05-26-2005, 08:27 PM
Obviously I can't speak for everyone in LA, but I don't think the city is excited about getting an NFL team. Everyone I ask basically say's "who cares?" That's pretty sad considering the fact that I live in LA. Me personally, I could care less either. I'm not gonna stop rooting for the Broncos because LA finally got it's act together and decided to build a stadium. Think about the possible locations the NFL is considering. Pasadena: the people in the city of Pasadena don't want a stadium built there, especially the snobs living on the hill surrounding the Rose Bowl. Anaheim: the city of Anaheim is currently suing the Angels over their name change. The Coliseum: basically an outdated stadium sitting in the middle of a really bad neighborhood with no public parking to speak of. Those are your wonderful choices NFL.

People have the "who cares" attitude because everybody has a team they already root for. People around the country try to make it seem like it's because people in LA don't care about football. That's bull. There are more football fans in LA than just about anywhere else. If there are more football fan in another city, it would be New York. The TV ratings proves that LA is a huge football city.

Another reason why people don't care much to have a pro team is because there are two major college football programs in LA. USC and UCLA are both very big in LA. They both draw very good crowds. USC always got good crowds, but now they are selling out the 90,000 seat Coliseum. UCLA gets close to 90,000 for their bigger games. Always against SC, and the games against big time non-conference schools. Last year they both played a home game on the same day, which is very rare. Combined they pulled in about 155,000 people. That's a huge number. People can't see LA doesn't have football fans when 155,000 people go to see the games in one day.

As for the area the Coliseum is in, I don't see that as an issue at all. The only team that ever had a problem there was the Raiders. They brought in that rough crowd and it was always a major problem. USC never has that problem for football or basketball. The Clippers never had those problems. There weren't any problems at the Olympics. There are still major events at the Coliseum and Sports Arena, and there are no problems at all. USC students walk around that area at night without any problems. Those damn Raiders were the only problem. The building needs to be torn down. Put up a new stadium, but keep the torch area, and it's perfect for and NFL team. I do agree that they need to do something about the parking. It's very bad.

Clockwork Orange
05-26-2005, 08:28 PM
It was beautiful seeing that little creep let down his entire country in the Olympics.

Come on now, we all know that those shots from outside the blue line are tricky. Just ask Chris Osgood.

Broncobuddy7
05-26-2005, 08:39 PM
People have the "who cares" attitude because everybody has a team they already root for. People around the country try to make it seem like it's because people in LA don't care about football. That's bull. There are more football fans in LA than just about anywhere else. If there are more football fan in another city, it would be New York. The TV ratings proves that LA is a huge football city.

Another reason why people don't care much to have a pro team is because there are two major college football programs in LA. USC and UCLA are both very big in LA. They both draw very good crowds. USC always got good crowds, but now they are selling out the 90,000 seat Coliseum. UCLA gets close to 90,000 for their bigger games. Always against SC, and the games against big time non-conference schools. Last year they both played a home game on the same day, which is very rare. Combined they pulled in about 155,000 people. That's a huge number. People can't see LA doesn't have football fans when 155,000 people go to see the games in one day.

As for the area the Coliseum is in, I don't see that as an issue at all. The only team that ever had a problem there was the Raiders. They brought in that rough crowd and it was always a major problem. USC never has that problem for football or basketball. The Clippers never had those problems. There weren't any problems at the Olympics. There are still major events at the Coliseum and Sports Arena, and there are no problems at all. USC students walk around that area at night without any problems. Those damn Raiders were the only problem. The building needs to be torn down. Put up a new stadium, but keep the torch area, and it's perfect for and NFL team. I do agree that they need to do something about the parking. It's very bad.

I agree with everything you just said. There are some very die-hard football fans in this city. I just think LA fans are a little disinfranchised with LA NFL teams of the past and how they've moved out of the city. The Rams fans and Raiders fans I've talked to said they wouldn't support a new LA team over their current teams.

Breck Bronc
05-26-2005, 08:40 PM
Come on now, we all know that those shots from outside the blue line are tricky. Just ask Chris Osgood.Ouch :thumbsup: .

BRONCCRUSHFAN
05-26-2005, 08:41 PM
Well I would love to have a Pro team here in Alabama, but the fan base here is strickly college. Birmingham did put a bid in on the Vikings a few years back when they were up for sale, but that fell through.
The Birmingham Stallions did well attendance wise in the USFL, the Birmingham Fire lead the league in attendance for the WLAF, attendance was even high for the Thuderbolts of the XFL. The problem is that Birmingham is a small market, and couldn't generate the kind of television revenues that the NFL is looking for. With that being said, if they can put a team in Jacksonville, they can put one in Birmingham dangit (see TJ, I'm keeping it clean).

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 08:42 PM
Come on now, we all know that those shots from outside the blue line are tricky. Just ask Chris Osgood.

I hated the Grizzlies so much more than I ever hated the Avs. At least the Red Wings were equal participants in their rivalry. The Thunder never beat the Grizz when it counted and I personally witnessed every beating that happened in Vegas. I would still like to spit on Butch Goring. Lady Byng winner, my ass.

Broncobuddy7
05-26-2005, 08:44 PM
A little bit off the subject, but I think that when a pro team leaves a state, the name of the team should stay behind. Think about it...the Utah Jazz and LA Lakers are so out of place. I was happy that Cleveland got a new team and was able to name them the Browns. Not that they ever would, but if the Broncos ever left Denver I would like for the city to keep the "Broncos" name.

Jason in LA
05-26-2005, 08:47 PM
I agree with everything you just said. There are some very die-hard football fans in this city. I just think LA fans are a little disinfranchised with LA NFL teams of the past and how they've moved out of the city. The Rams fans and Raiders fans I've talked to said they wouldn't support a new LA team over their current teams.

I agree. I think the major reason why people don't care to get a team back is because we get more games, and all the top games. I went into this in more detail on the first page. We get the game of the week, and the double hitter. We didn't get those when the Raiders and Rams were here. The TV ratings are a lot higher now than they were then. I'd say the NFL is better off without a team in LA because of the high TV ratings.

Broncobuddy7
05-26-2005, 08:48 PM
I agree. I think the major reason why people don't care to get a team back is because we get more games, and all the top games. I went into this in more detail on the first page. We get the game of the week, and the double hitter. We didn't get those when the Raiders and Rams were here. The TV ratings are a lot higher now than they were then. I'd say the NFL is better off without a team in LA because of the high TV ratings.

I didn't know our football ratings were better now than when we had teams. Good trivia.

Breck Bronc
05-26-2005, 08:48 PM
I hated the Grizzlies so much more than I ever hated the Avs. At least the Red Wings were equal participants in their rivalry. The Thunder never beat the Grizz when it counted and I personally witnessed every beating that happened in Vegas. I would still like to spit on Butch Goring. Lady Byng winner, my ass. ROFL! His daughter went to my high school when the Grizzlies were in town. She was in the class below me, Kellie I think her name was.

-Slap-
05-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Tommy Swallow was very frustrating for my bench jockey buddy and I. We got under the mask of just about every goalie in that league, at one time or another, but that little prick was impervious. We would still shower him with (sometimes) witty invective every time the Thunder beat him, though.

Our seats were four rows up on a railing, just behind the section on the glass, directly lined up with the opposition's goalie in rounds one and three. Prime heckling real estate and we exploited its full potential.