Rice agrees to terms with Broncos

[JunkyardWillie]

Just saw on ESPNNEWS that Rice agreed to contract terms with the Broncos. Not sure what the details are as of yet.

[SpringStein]

Rats.

[RhymesayersDU]

Yep, just heard this on 950 AM.

This is awesome, somebody give Triandos Luke a bus pass or something.

[gunns]

Whooptidoo.

Terms were not disclosed. The guy needs to realize the end will come sometime.

[Broncobuddy7]

Yep, just heard this on 950 AM.

This is awesome, somebody give Triandos Luke a bus pass or something.

Hilarious!

[MajikMan7]

Good now our first 4 WR spots are filled.

[delany]

If Luke can't beat out a 42 year old guy...he NEEDS the bus pass.

[bpc]

Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie, Darius Watts, Jerry Rice, Nate Jackson, and Triandos Luke? I still think that is a damn good combination of players there.

[i4jelway7]

one word

WHY?

[RhymesayersDU]

Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie, Darius Watts, Jerry Rice, Champ Bailey

Tell me you guys wouldn't love that 5 WR set run a couple times each game!

[baja]

Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie, Darius Watts, Jerry Rice, Champ Bailey

Tell me you guys wouldn't love that 5 WR set run a couple times each game!

No kidding - rest well Gunther

[Ray Finkle]

Crap....Rice can not seperate himself from a piece of cling-wrap, let alone a CB....

[Beantown Bronco]

For obvious reasons, Old Dude should get first dibs on adopting Rice.

[bronco militia]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2068195

[ludo21]

if rice gets cut, this will be terrible pr for the broncos, i just think its a bad move all around, hes on the team, he cant get open. If he gets cut, the Broncos look bad. Just BAd

[Ray Finkle]

if rice gets cut, this will be terrible pr for the broncos, i just think its a bad move all around, hes on the team, he cant get open. If he gets cut, the Broncos look bad. Just BAd



How is it bad PR? He is old, slow, and NOT A MENTOR.....Brooks, Reed, and others have been brought in to fill the WR role and where cut when they didn't preform....

[baja]

Anybody else think we will see a lot of 4 wide sets

[bloodsunday]

Rice to compete for spot as Denver's No. 4 wideout

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

The legendary career of Jerry Rice, certainly the greatest wide receiver of all-time and a man some feel is the best player in history, apparently will continue for one more season.


Jerry Rice
Wide Receiver
Profile

2004 SEASON STATISTICS
Rec Yds TD Avg Long YAC
30 429 3 14.3 56 95

Rice on Wednesday agreed to a one-year contract with the Denver Broncos, where he is expected to vie for a spot as the team's No. 4 wideout. The financial details of the deal were not immediately available but it is believed that Rice will play at or near the NFL minimum base salary for a player of his tenure.

The decision to prolong his career came after Rice spent much of Tuesday deliberating the merits of joining his third different team in two years.

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said last week that, when he made his sales pitch to Rice by phone, he made no guarantees about a roster spot. The inference is that Rice will have to earn a niche as a backup receiver. The Denver starters are Rod Smith and Ashley Lelie, with second-year veteran Darius Watts as the No. 3 wideout.

Over the 10 seasons in which Shanahan has been head coach, the No. 4 wide receivers in Denver have averaged just 6.6 catches. The third wide receiver spot, a longtime problem area for the Broncos, has averaged only 19.2 catches in that stretch.

Rice, 42, holds every significant league receiving record. He has 1,549 receptions for 22,895 yards and 197 touchdowns. He posted 100 or more catches in four seasons and had 1,000 or more yards 14 times. Splitting time in 2004 between the Oakland Raiders and Seattle Seahawks, Rice had 30 catches for 429 yards and three touchdowns.

Earlier this offseason, Rice approached the San Francisco 49ers about returning to the franchise with which he began his career in 1985, but first-year head coach Mike Nolan respectively rebuffed those overtures. Last week, agent Jim Steiner faxed all 32 teams, apprising them of Rice's desire to play one more season.

Sources said Rice turned down a contract offer from the Tampa Bay Bucs before the Broncos demonstrated interest in signing him.

[bronco militia]

if rice gets cut, this will be terrible pr for the broncos, i just think its a bad move all around, hes on the team, he cant get open. If he gets cut, the Broncos look bad. Just BAd


well that's stupid....I would enjoy seeing the Turk cut him and his huge ego.

[Beantown Bronco]

if rice gets cut, this will be terrible pr for the broncos, i just think its a bad move all around, hes on the team, he cant get open. If he gets cut, the Broncos look bad. Just BAd

Not necessarily. Seattle cut him, even though their WRs are nowhere near as talented as the Broncos, and nobody is badmouthing them....not even Rice.

[i4jelway7]

I think this is just another way the under utilized young guys get shafted, there is a reason why Rice keeps getting cut...

He doesn't "cut" it anymore

[clint7]

For obvious reasons, Old Dude should get first dibs on adopting Rice.

You guys are cracking me up!
Well, now that he's a Bronco, I'll be supporting him 100%.

Go "GOAT!"
Go Broncos!

[bronco militia]

You guys are cracking me up!
Well, now that he's a Bronco, I'll be supporting him 100%.

Go "GOAT!"
Go Broncos!

he hasn't made the team yet, so feel free to bash away.

[RhymesayersDU]

If the "under utilized" guys had talent, they'd be utilized more.

[Ballhawk]

Maybe he will go into the Hall as a Bronco rofl

[RaiderH8r]

At the 4 spot he'll see man to man coverage, because teams will have to double our top 1-3 receivers. Old age and treachery may prove it's worth yet.

[Spider]

whew .. I was on Pins and Needles waiting to see if Rice came to Denver or not ..... I could bearly contain my anticipation......

[baja]

One thing is for certain Rice will make every effort to go out with a good season and we all know what effort has done for Jerry Rice.

[i4jelway7]

If the "under utilized" guys had talent, they'd be utilized more.


not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

There is talent there, its just not used correctly

CASE CLOSED

[Old Dude]

For obvious reasons, Old Dude should get first dibs on adopting Rice.

LOL

Sure, why not?

[Spider]

not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

CASE CLOSED
I thought the Idea behind the WCO was get the Ball to the guy that was open ? was there a memo stating this new change ?

[Mediator12]

not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

There is talent there, its just not used correctly

CASE CLOSED

Or the wide open TE's and RB's for checkdown's. Ah, the ignomy.

[bronco militia]

Rice better pray for a ton of Broncos WR injuries and I wonder if he realizes that the Broncos will be asking him to play special teams almost exclusiveky if he's going to be a #4 or #5 WR...

[bendog]

not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

There is talent there, its just not used correctly

CASE CLOSED
my take too. Jake can't make more than two reads. But, it's not past shanny to scheme Rice in ... if he's on some team's 4th corner.

[bronco militia]

I thought the Idea behind the WCO was get the Ball to the guy that was open ? was there a memo stating this new change ?


lmao!! somebody inform Jake!!

Rods "always" open for Jake

[bloodsunday]

he hasn't made the team yet, so feel free to bash away.
I'd put the odds that he doesn't make the team (unless he asks to be released) at about 1/100. Shanny made a very precise calculation before he pulled the trigger, you can bet on that. It is too messy for everyone if he doesn't make it.

[i4jelway7]

I thought the Idea behind the WCO was get the Ball to the guy that was open ? was there a memo stating this new change ?


well obviously there is something wrong w/ the way the Broncos are using the system b/c the only time the 4th & 5th guys even sniff the ball is on the practice field

[Hogan11]

Big deal.

His special teams play should be good for a couple of laughs at least.

[baja]

not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

There is talent there, its just not used correctly

CASE CLOSED

Here's what changed. This is the year Plummer understands what Shanahan has been preaching, slow the game down Grasshopper slow the game down.

This is the year Plummer gets it.

[Spider]

lmao!! somebody inform Jake!!

Rods "always" open for Jake
;D thats my point ..... though I am not blamming jake too much , I realy would like to see how he does this year ......

[i4jelway7]

Rice better pray for a ton of Broncos WR injuries and I wonder if he realizes that the Broncos will be asking him to play special teams almost exclusiveky if he's going to be a #4 or #5 WR...


no way we see Rice on special teams

[bronco militia]

;D thats my point ..... though I am not blamming jake too much , I realy would like to see how he does this year ......

so am I....I can't think of another Bronco I've loved and hated at the same time.

[Old Dude]

Well, trying to look on the upside of things.

If by some chance Rice actually gets open at some point, and if Jake actually throws the ball to him, there's a pretty good chance he won't drop it.

[bronco militia]

no way we see Rice on special teams

then no way he makes this team

[RaiderH8r]

whew .. I was on Pins and Needles waiting to see if Rice came to Denver or not ..... I could bearly contain my anticipation......
http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/about/report/annualreport2001/images/learning/timeline_photo1.gif

Sprinkle liberally with sarcasm for desired effect...

[i4jelway7]

then no way he makes this team

we can only hope

[Spider]

so am I....I can't think of another Bronco I've loved and hated at the same time.
;D I can relate , there is times I have just stood there dumbfounded at what Jake has done , other times excited as hell , It is never boring with Jake in ...... One thing he has brought excitement back ......

[Old Dude]

I predict that we go to the super bowl this year and Rice will make the winning TD catch in sudden death ....

... and he still won't retire.

[Spider]

http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/about/report/annualreport2001/images/learning/timeline_photo1.gif

Sprinkle liberally with sarcasm for desired effect...
LOL , that was good ......

[Spider]

I predict that we go to the super bowl this year and Rice will make the winning TD catch in sudden death ....

... and he still won't retire.
;D

[Bronco LB 59]

If you look at Rice's remarkable track record, he only has one bad season in 19 years (2004). He is only one year removed from a 900 yard receiving season and two years from a Pro Bowl season. His tenure with the Broncos might be nothing more than Willie Mays' stint with the Mets but I am a little excited about having the argubly the "Greatest Football Player Ever" on the Broncos. Like Michael Irvin always says, Jerry Rice is "Jesus in cleats".

[DarkHorse30]

Maybe he will go into the Hall as a Bronco rofl

Bwahaha...good one.

Hmmmm....hall of fame guy that is the ONLY reason the duhs made the SB in 2001.......hall of fame guy showing a bunch of rook-dough-heads how to get ready for games and how to play like professionals....hall of fame guy that could be a legit #2 on this team, since Lelie hasn't caught over 65 passes in a season yet.

How can you not like this move? Cry-babies should pull their "wah, we don't like our pass rush" whining heads out of the sand and recognize what Denver is getting in a "washed up" Rice.

1) A legit 3rd WR IF Lelie proves himself to be the #2. Maybe old broncofans have forgotten that Denver hasn't had a #3 in about 10 or 15 years.

2) A possesion guy that CATCHES the ball. Memo to Watts.....WATCH and learn.

3) This means Rod Smith HAS to play at least 4 more years....whether he likes it or not.

4) Red zone schmed zone

5) Shanahan is NOT guaranteeing Rice anything. If Rice can't earn a spot....that means our WRs aren't too bad.....and it also proves that Denver is not gambling a penny on this move.

Rice likely isn't all-pro....but he is probably TWICE as good as any June 1st cut that Denver might have picked up. The guy knows how to sit in a zone and get first downs....plus, with Lelie running the deep patterns, and Plummer able to throw a deep ball as well as anybody, the addition of a proven vet will allow legit 4 and 5 wide sets.....PLUS a good running game. Sheesh, is it christmas or something?

[clint7]

I predict that we go to the super bowl this year and Rice will make the winning TD catch in sudden death ....

... and he still won't retire.

Ha! LOL

That was good. :)

[Blueflame]

Big deal.

His special teams play should be good for a couple of laughs at least.

My guess is we'll see Rod out there on special teams (again... ::) ) instead.

[baja]

Bwahaha...good one.

Hmmmm....hall of fame guy that is the ONLY reason the duhs made the SB in 2001.......hall of fame guy showing a bunch of rook-dough-heads how to get ready for games and how to play like professionals....hall of fame guy that could be a legit #2 on this team, since Lelie hasn't caught over 65 passes in a season yet.

How can you not like this move? Cry-babies should pull their "wah, we don't like our pass rush" whining heads out of the sand and recognize what Denver is getting in a "washed up" Rice.

1) A legit 3rd WR IF Lelie proves himself to be the #2. Maybe old broncofans have forgotten that Denver hasn't had a #3 in about 10 or 15 years.

2) A possesion guy that CATCHES the ball. Memo to Watts.....WATCH and learn.

3) This means Rod Smith HAS to play at least 4 more years....whether he likes it or not.

4) Red zone schmed zone

5) Shanahan is NOT guaranteeing Rice anything. If Rice can't earn a spot....that means our WRs aren't too bad.....and it also proves that Denver is not gambling a penny on this move.

Rice likely isn't all-pro....but he is probably TWICE as good as any June 1st cut that Denver might have picked up. The guy knows how to sit in a zone and get first downs....plus, with Lelie running the deep patterns, and Plummer able to throw a deep ball as well as anybody, the addition of a proven vet will allow legit 4 and 5 wide sets.....PLUS a good running game. Sheesh, is it christmas or something?

I agree with this, given Shanny's mandate that Rice "make" the team how can anyone complain about this.

[bronco militia]

I agree with this, given Shanny's mandate that Rice "make" the team how can anyone complain about this.

Darkhorse is forgetting special teams....

[Needa Pass Rush]

I wonder what number Rod will wear this year when he hands over #80 to the G.O.A.T., hmmmmmmmmm.

[baja]

Darkhorse is forgetting special teams....

Ya know it would not suprise me to see Rice play some ST after all he is a football player and if he does play I will bet he will give it his all.

[DarkHorse30]

not in this system

have you watched the broncos play?

how many times did you see them throw the ball to the 3rd, 4th or 5th guy?

There is talent there, its just not used correctly

CASE CLOSED

Are you high?

Denver has BARELY had a #2 since Plummer got here, forget 3, 4 and 5.

PLUS, there hasn't been a legit pass-catching RB or FB since TD got injured and Griffith retired.

PLUS, Putzier is a work in progress, compared to Plummer's security blanket in '03 (Sharpe)

PLUS, WRs are so scared of Denver's offense, they crap themselves, quit the team and wait for Vershmeal to come and cry on them and join the chiefs.

So...do me a favor and list how many legit targets Plummer has had the last few years....I'd be surprised if it is more than 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 per game. What's funny is...even with the LACK of targets, Plummer broke Elway's passing record. Imagine if he had TD, Sharpe, McCaffrey and Smith to throw at. Now subtract TD, Sharpe, Mccaffrey and add 1/2 of Lelie and 1/2 of Putzier. What do you get?

[bronco militia]

Ya know it would not suprise me to see Rice play some ST after all he is a football player and if he does play I will bet he will give it his all.

if he's up for it, he'll definately increase his odds to make the final roster.

[baja]

I wonder what number Rod will wear this year when he hands over #80 to the G.O.A.T., hmmmmmmmmm.

The Fourth receiver goes not get to take away the number of the one receiver, period.

[Needa Pass Rush]

The Fourth receiver goes not get to take away the number of the one receiver, period.

You think Rice will push Rod that far down the pecking order? :twitch:

[bloodsunday]

I wonder what number Rod will wear this year when he hands over #80 to the G.O.A.T., hmmmmmmmmm.
If anyone other than Rod is wearing #80 this season.... I'll..I'll... well I don't know what I'll do, but it won't be good. :cuss: I don't care if Jerry Rice is a "GOAT" or a big horn sheep, this is Rod's friggn' team.

[i4jelway7]

Rod will wear #80

[baja]

You think Rice will push Rod that far down the pecking order? :twitch:What I really think is something Slap first brought up, that Rice will really push Watts and the result will be we will have a ligit # 3 guy for the first time in a long time, Watts or Rice.

[Traveler]

I'd put the odds that he doesn't make the team (unless he asks to be released) at about 1/100. Shanny made a very precise calculation before he pulled the trigger, you can bet on that. It is too messy for everyone if he doesn't make it.


Sounds like it's time to setup vbookie. Options being he makes the squad or not.

[Needa Pass Rush]

What I really think is something Slap first brought up, that Rice will really push Watts and the result will be we will have a ligit # 3 guy for the first time in a long time, Watts or Rice.

So Rod coaches up Watts and Rice will waltz in and get the credit for his improvement. I can see that happening.

[Traveler]

I agree with this, given Shanny's mandate that Rice "make" the team how can anyone complain about this.


That statement also mitigates the possible negative PR for the Broncos if he doesn't make the team.

[bloodsunday]

Are you high?

Denver has BARELY had a #2 since Plummer got here, forget 3, 4 and 5.

PLUS, there hasn't been a legit pass-catching RB or FB since TD got injured and Griffith retired.

PLUS, Putzier is a work in progress, compared to Plummer's security blanket in '03 (Sharpe)

PLUS, WRs are so scared of Denver's offense, they crap themselves, quit the team and wait for Vershmeal to come and cry on them and join the chiefs.

So...do me a favor and list how many legit targets Plummer has had the last few years....I'd be surprised if it is more than 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 per game. What's funny is...even with the LACK of targets, Plummer broke Elway's passing record. Imagine if he had TD, Sharpe, McCaffrey and Smith to throw at. Now subtract TD, Sharpe, Mccaffrey and add 1/2 of Lelie and 1/2 of Putzier. What do you get?
Is this Pollock Math? Seriously.

I get your point, but I don't know what it all adds up to. Putzier is a legitimate receiver, but he can't block, which is why he doesn't see much time in the redzone. Hell the Jets took a run at him for exactly this reason, that's not homer talk. Kyle Johnson looks like an emerging Howard Griffith-type player. He was the only upside of the RB injuries last year. Besides that, Denver has never really had any serious threats at #4 or beyond (how many teams do?), usually not even #3 under Shanny. I wonder if his offense is designed to use that many WR? Seems to me that he prefers to get TE and RB out there in wide sets to create match up problems. Swing a TE/RB out of the backfield in motion. Or they can stay in and block. That way you don't tip off the defense. I think our receive core will come together if Putz can learn to block (allowing him to get more reps), Watts can develop into a more consistent #3, and a RB can emerge with reasonable hands. None of those are exactly a pipe dream. Alexander adds a pretty good weapon as well.

[NaptownChief]

The way Rat goes after washed up use to be's nowadays I would say you guys are the new Raiders but when you are signing players that the Raiders have even put to pasture makes me think you guys are creating a class of your own.

[Needa Pass Rush]

The way Rat goes after washed up use to be's nowadays I would say you guys are the new Raiders but when you are signing players that the Raiders have even put to pasture makes me think you guys are creating a class of your own.

I wondered how the nervous chatter from chiefs-ville would manifest itself. Ha!

[Traveler]

The way Rat goes after washed up use to be's nowadays I would say you guys are the new Raiders but when you are signing players that the Raiders have even put to pasture makes me think you guys are creating a class of your own.


So what was he when he was with you? Wait...I think a homerism :homer: is about to be spewed!

[Paladin]

Well, I have read somewhere that they were experimenting with Viagra as an energy pill..... I thought they were gonna put it into an "Energy Bar" thing for adults.

Rice will need something akin to that to stay with the youngsters, now. Lelie and Watts are not slow burners. I understand that most people sort of hope he makes it. I do not. I think that Watts and Jackson and perhaps Johnson are looking to get good this year, and it may not be helpful to hold those guys back for the future. It just seems stupid to go for the quickie when you can develop for the longer term.

[baja]

Well, I have read somewhere that they were experimenting with Viagra as an energy pill..... I thought they were gonna put it into an "Energy Bar" thing for adults.

Rice will need something akin to that to stay with the youngsters, now. Lelie and Watts are not slow burners. I understand that most people sort of hope he makes it. I do not. I think that Watts and Jackson and perhaps Johnson are looking to get good this year, and it may not be helpful to hold those guys back for the future. It just seems stupid to go for the quickie when you can develop for the longer term.

With one mysterious IR injury we can have it all assuming Rice can even make the team

[NaptownChief]

So what was he when he was with you? Wait...I think a homerism :homer: is about to be spewed!



Huhhhh? Rice never played with the Chiefs.

[Needa Pass Rush]

It just seems stupid to go for the quickie when you can develop for the longer term.

I don't think it's stupid if Rice is actaully an upgrade for this year. Anyone that he squeezes off the roster is not irreplacable. Rice's savvy at finding a soft spot in the zone could help keep the chains moving when it matters.

BJ Johnson is the rookie that most intrigues me this year. I want to see what this boy is all about. He was highly touted in Texas when he was matched up with Roy Williams.
read on: Texas also features one of the best receiving corps in the nation. Juniors Roy Williams and BJ Johnson appeared to be coming into their own at the end of last season. Sloan Thomas will push for serious playing time while Tony Jeffery, Kyle Shanahan (son of Denver Bronco coach Mike Shanahan), and Brian Carter form a backup group that would start at most other schools. Williams has track speed on a 6'5, 210-pound frame and creates huge match up problems for defenders. Johnson is 6'2", 200 and has great ability with the ball in his hands, so well in fact the Horns love running reverses with him. Williams and Johnson are certain day one NFL picks if they choose to declare early next spring.

[baja]

Huhhhh? Rice never played with the Chiefs.

Ya but we know you are really a Raider fan

[anthonypacino]

Are you high?

Denver has BARELY had a #2 since Plummer got here, forget 3, 4 and 5.

PLUS, there hasn't been a legit pass-catching RB or FB since TD got injured and Griffith retired.

PLUS, Putzier is a work in progress, compared to Plummer's security blanket in '03 (Sharpe)

PLUS, WRs are so scared of Denver's offense, they crap themselves, quit the team and wait for Vershmeal to come and cry on them and join the chiefs.

So...do me a favor and list how many legit targets Plummer has had the last few years....I'd be surprised if it is more than 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 per game. What's funny is...even with the LACK of targets, Plummer broke Elway's passing record. Imagine if he had TD, Sharpe, McCaffrey and Smith to throw at. Now subtract TD, Sharpe, Mccaffrey and add 1/2 of Lelie and 1/2 of Putzier. What do you get?
I like what you say as long as you are not saying the Plummer is better tha Elway...Gus Ferote held the record for most passing yards in a single game not Elway, that doesn't make him a better QB than Elway either. Most of Elway's years he played with guys who were not as talented as the guys that Plummer has now (I think only three or four players remain on the offense that even played with Elway...Nalen,Lepsis,Smith and Carswell)

[i4jelway7]

the whole league is laughing at the Broncos this offseason

[RhymesayersDU]

Are you high?

Denver has BARELY had a #2 since Plummer got here, forget 3, 4 and 5.

PLUS, there hasn't been a legit pass-catching RB or FB since TD got injured and Griffith retired.

PLUS, Putzier is a work in progress, compared to Plummer's security blanket in '03 (Sharpe)

PLUS, WRs are so scared of Denver's offense, they crap themselves, quit the team and wait for Vershmeal to come and cry on them and join the chiefs.

So...do me a favor and list how many legit targets Plummer has had the last few years....I'd be surprised if it is more than 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 per game. What's funny is...even with the LACK of targets, Plummer broke Elway's passing record. Imagine if he had TD, Sharpe, McCaffrey and Smith to throw at. Now subtract TD, Sharpe, Mccaffrey and add 1/2 of Lelie and 1/2 of Putzier. What do you get?

Major Rep.

Memo to fans -- just because you like the players doesn't mean they actually have talent.

[baja]

the whole league is laughing at the Broncos this offseason

I really doubt that but if so we will see who laughs last.

[Needa Pass Rush]

the whole league is laughing at the Broncos this offseason

Let em laugh. Let's see who is still chuckling in January. Anyone laughing (or in your case, crying) at this stage of the season is jumping the gun.

[baja]

It's going to be interesting after we have a kick ass season what you self appointed superior football minds will have to say.

[anthonypacino]

I am for the Rice move as long as the me me me attitude he had in Faderville and Seattle is gone. He had a chance there to help improve both of those teams young recievers instead he got jealous when they began to outshine him then he demanded a trade. He is not the threat he used to be he can no longer catch the ball short then run away from people like he used but he can still catch, He would be an asset on short yardage and red zone situations. Denver might be able to throw the ball on 3rd and short instead of putting Carswell in motion and handing the ball off up the middle (like every short yardage play last year).

[DarkHorse30]

I like what you say as long as you are not saying the Plummer is better tha Elway...Gus Ferote held the record for most passing yards in a single game not Elway, that doesn't make him a better QB than Elway either. Most of Elway's years he played with guys who were not as talented as the guys that Plummer has now (I think only three or four players remain on the offense that even played with Elway...Nalen,Lepsis,Smith and Carswell)

Fair enough. For the record, I don't think Plummer is as good as Elway. But the idea that Denver has a bunch of good WRs the last few years is a joke.

That said, for Plummer to set a passing record with one top WR and a bunch of trainees in a VERY difficult system to learn...ain't too bad. The ability to avoid sacks, while winning enough games to get to the playoffs...is what Denver thought they were getting when they brought Plummer to Dove Valley.

Now they need to surround the QB with enough talent to REALLY make some noise in the playoffs. Bringing Rice to Denver to help in that effort is a good move, IMO.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Let em laugh. Let's see who is still chuckling in January. Anyone laughing (or in your case, crying) at this stage of the season is jumping the gun.
They me be (jumping the gun) but there are more than just a few people wandering what the heck we are doing with all these questionable moves.
I think we still have some areas to address but lets see what happens in the next few weeks.

[bloodsunday]

the whole league is laughing at the Broncos this offseason
He who laughs last... let's just hope we are laughing last.

[baja]

It seems to me that some of you think in order to be an intelligent football mind it requires one to second guess and scoff at every decision that Shanahan and Sundquist make. Ever think these guys might have access to a larger picture that we do?

[RhymesayersDU]

It seems to me that some of you think in order to be an intelligent football mind it requires one to second guess and scoff at every decision that Shanahan and Sundquist make. Ever think these guys might have access to a larger picture that we do?

Nah dude, Triandos Luke is a top tier receiver, Shanny just doesn't play him enough and Jake doesn't throw him the ball!

/roll eyes

[Beantown Bronco]

I thought we were done with the Lelie bashing, but evidently not....how many other #2 WRs in this league had over 1,000 yds last year? I think we can stop with the "barely a #2" talk and say he is a solid #2.

[rbackfactory80]

You guys are cracking me up!
Well, now that he's a Bronco, I'll be supporting him 100%.

Go "GOAT!"
Go Broncos!

Hell yeah Clint, that is all that is important!!!

[Pezman]

~sigh~

Rice = 2004 Garrison Hearst

Nuff said...

[DarkHorse30]

I thought we were done with the Lelie bashing, but evidently not....how many other #2 WRs in this league had over 1,000 yds last year? I think we can stop with the "barely a #2" talk and say he is a solid #2.

I think Lelie is a good WR, especially as a burner. His ability to make the tough heave-ho catches and to go over 1000 yards is fantastic. I also thought he proved the doubters wrong last year by doubling all his stats.

I guess I'm used to seeing a #2 be a possession guy more than a burner. No knocks on Lelie intended.

[illbroncsfn]

I for one hope that the GOAT can make a difference for the Broncos this season, he will undoubtedly help w/leadership!

Reasonable stats- 45 receptions, 650 yds. 4 TD's.

[bronco militia]

It seems to me that some of you think in order to be an intelligent football mind it requires one to second guess and scoff at every decision that Shanahan and Sundquist make. Ever think these guys might have access to a larger picture that we do?

yeah, they're plasma screens double as crystal balls....2nd guessing your favorite teams personel decisions and play calling has always been a favorite past time for fans.

but Some around here seem to think the Broncos **** don't stink no matter what.

[anthonypacino]

~sigh~

Rice = 2004 Garrison Hearst

Nuff said...
You Are Correct Sir!!
just like Andre Reed or Robert Brooks were, Willie Green is the last kinda old wideout that came in and "helped" I guess with the history that Rice has we all hope for maybe a flash of the past. For years fans would argue that "If Elway had Jerry Rice or Marino's line Denver could win a Superbowl" kinda reminds me of when Dorsett came into town. still in some situations you prefer experience over youth.

[Odysseus]

I wonder if a year competing with Jerry Rice will improve any Broncos reciever?

[listopencil]

Rice as the #4 WR? Yes. It's a good move. I'm hoping we can keep six on the active roster, and if that's what we do then he isn't pushing any quality talent off the team. We have enough speed in Lelie and Watts, and skill in Rod, to stretch things out and make space for Jerry to pick up third downs if it comes to a 4-Wide set. The only question is whether you pull the TE to fit him in or go empty backfield.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I wonder if a year competing with Jerry Rice will improve any Broncos reciever?

With all the green CB's on the team, I'm more hopeful that he can help THEM!

[DBroncos4life]

Rice at 50 still did more then Luke, Jackson, Johnson, Crenshaw combined. Oh and he still had better stats then Watts. Denver isn't asking the world of him. We just need a guy that runs great routes (check) has good hands (check) and is willing to be the 4th or 5th guy (looks like a check there too). I can't think of a better saftey valve to have then a Jerry Rice. Someone to understand when its third and 6 DON'T RUN A FOR YARD IN!!!! Show me someone that is a FA that understands or knows more then Rice? Is he a threat to score? Hell no but thats what Lelie, Smith, and Watts are for. Rice is here to keep drives alive and that is one thing he can do very well. Even at his age.

[DBroncos4life]

Oh just to let you know 21 of Rice's 30 catches went for a first down. 50% on first down, 90% on second down, and 83.3% on third down. Thats not a bad target for a 4th wr.

[Odysseus]

It seems to me that some of you think in order to be an intelligent football mind it requires one to second guess and scoff at every decision that Shanahan and Sundquist make. Ever think these guys might have access to a larger picture that we do?

What are you some kind of clown? :giggle:

[ROYC75]

Man Oh man, Shanny is desperate. :injured:

[Nuggets4]

meh. Hopefully he can somewhat produce.

[Blueflame]

Rice at 50 still did more then Luke, Jackson, Johnson, Crenshaw combined. Oh and he still had better stats then Watts. Denver isn't asking the world of him. We just need a guy that runs great routes (check) has good hands (check) and is willing to be the 4th or 5th guy (looks like a check there too). I can't think of a better saftey valve to have then a Jerry Rice. Someone to understand when its third and 6 DON'T RUN A FOR YARD IN!!!! Show me someone that is a FA that understands or knows more then Rice? Is he a threat to score? Hell no but thats what Lelie, Smith, and Watts are for. Rice is here to keep drives alive and that is one thing he can do very well. Even at his age.

Have you forgotten that Watts was a rookie last season? His rookie stats were better than Terrell Owens' rookie stats, I might add....

[Traveler]

Huhhhh? Rice never played with the Chiefs.


Oops! Wasn't paying attention! Thought a raiderfan made the comment. :hitself:

[easymobee]

the whole league is laughing at the Broncos this offseason

I smell an undercover Chief/Raider fan.

[easymobee]

Oops! Wasn't paying attention! Thought a raiderfan made the comment. :hitself:

The Chiefs are always looking for "washed up" players .....

They just tend to look for the bargain versions ( which they inexplicably overpay for ).

Andre Rison.

Johnny Morton.

etc ....

[Arkie]

Oh just to let you know 21 of Rice's 30 catches went for a first down. 50% on first down, 90% on second down, and 83.3% on third down. Thats not a bad target for a 4th wr.

That's excellent. Rice will be the #3 if Watts stays at his rookie level, or if Watt's 2nd year is similar to Lelie's 2nd year.

[Clockwork Orange]

Man Oh man, Shanny is desperate. :injured:

Yeah, signing a guy with no guarantees of a roster spot for minimal money to be, at best, a 4th receiver just reeks of desperation.::)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Some Chiefs fans are in full homer spin on this one...but not me.

This is a great signing for you guys.

[ROYC75]

Yeah, signing a guy with no guarantees of a roster spot for minimal money to be, at best, a 4th receiver just reeks of desperation.::)


Yep...... he's more of a team leader in the locker room than on the fireld at that age.

Plus the fact that Shanny thinks he can get some DL help out of the Browns, I would say he is reaching for some kind of help.


I dunno but I gotta ask, was the Donks strapped against the cap this year ?

[baja]

Some Chiefs fans are in full homer spin on this one...but not me.

This is a great signing for you guys.

It well could be and like all the signings this season the down side is non existent.

[i4jelway7]

I smell an undercover Chief/Raider fan.


not a steriods chance in Romo's pill box, I bleed orange & blue

I'll have to neg rep you for that... seems you already neg rep'd me.. how nice of you... thx!

[Ray Finkle]

Some Chiefs fans are in full homer spin on this one...but not me.

This is a great signing for you guys.


now I really don't like it....

[Bronco9798]

Rice at 50 still did more then Luke, Jackson, Johnson, Crenshaw combined. Oh and he still had better stats then Watts. Denver isn't asking the world of him. We just need a guy that runs great routes (check) has good hands (check) and is willing to be the 4th or 5th guy (looks like a check there too). I can't think of a better saftey valve to have then a Jerry Rice. Someone to understand when its third and 6 DON'T RUN A FOR YARD IN!!!! Show me someone that is a FA that understands or knows more then Rice? Is he a threat to score? Hell no but thats what Lelie, Smith, and Watts are for. Rice is here to keep drives alive and that is one thing he can do very well. Even at his age.

You never covered, can he get seperation at the LOS and still break zone coverage? He has lost a few steps. I laugh when I read all this red zone garbage about him. Give me a break. I can't wait to check his red zone stats at the end of the year.........

[scorpio]

Everybody knows Bob is a closet Broncos fan. He's on Watts' jock too.

[i4jelway7]

You never covered, can he get seperation at the LOS and still break zone coverage? He has lost a few steps. I laugh when I read all this red zone garbage about him. Give me a break. I can't wait to check his red zone stats at the end of the year.........


all Rice is good for is finding soft spots in the zone and sitting down, he can't get off the LOS, much less outrun anyone, the only thing he has going for him is he still has good hands

[telluride]

If the old man pulls in even one TD, it will be worth it. Again my mantra: expect very little from these newbies, and be pleasantly suprised if they produce.

[scorpio]

So....anybody ordered their #80 Jerry Rice Broncos jersey yet ? :-/

[scorpio]

If the old man pulls in even one TD, it will be worth it. Again my mantra: expect very little from these newbies, and be pleasantly suprised if they produce.

I totally agree. Even if we only bust him out in the redzone, and he makes even one touchdown where you'd hesitate to trust one of the younger guys, this signing will have paid off in spades.

[Smilin Assassin]

So....anybody ordered their #80 Jerry Rice Broncos jersey yet ? :-/

I did.

I'm gonna get it framed and hang it on the wall right next to my #27 Terrell Buckley and #84 Chris Cole jerseys....

[Boogerboots]

Wide receiver Jerry Rice reached agreement with the Denver Broncos on a one-year deal that will allow the NFL's all-time receiving leader to finish his career in Denver. Rice's agent, Jim Steiner, informed Broncos coach Mike Shanahan of the decision.

... and with that, "The Plan" is now complete. To summarize...

- We ditched our #1 rushing back from last year and then turned around and drafted Maurice Clarett.

- We restructured the contract of our best D-lineman, bad back and all and then recruited the Browns D-line to back him up.

- The primary weakness of the Broncos D, after last years playoff loss, was the secondary. And that was corrected promptly with the selection of 3 CB draft picks.

- We patterned ourselves after the Raiders and got ourselves our own drunk kicker.

- And to cap it all off, we pick up a soon to be 43 year old WR who may duke it out with our own Rod Smith to see who wears #80.

Can you either say that these are a bunch of desperate acquisitions made by a madman who's clinging onto his job...

... or a series of calculated maneuvers designed by a Mastermind to bring the broncos a third Super Bowl in franchise history.

This thing could blow up in our faces. But like Hannibal Smith says, " I love it when a plan comes together.." maybe all the peices will fit together and make this team something worth watching this coming season. I'll be watching. :)

[Smilin Assassin]

A New Target
Plummer Could Be the Man to Throw Rice Historic 200th Touchdown
By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Jake Plummer, accessory to history.


The Broncos' quarterback and offensive co-captain of two years boasts a 19-8 regular-season record as the team's starter, holds the team's single-season passing yardage record and matched the one-year franchise touchdown standard. But for numbers and history, the most memorable standard on Plummer's horizon could be one for the newest Bronco, record-smashing wide receiver Jerry Rice.

After all, if Rice can manage to nab three touchdown receptions to get to 200 for his career, someone will have to throw him the passes.

"I'll be in the parentheses down there for some records," Plummer said.

But Plummer doesn't see Rice unseating Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie and Darius Watts as his top three receiving targets.

"My order goes Rod, Ashley and Darius or whoever is after that," Plummer said. "But Rod is my No. 1 man and Ashley next. So unless Jerry comes in and has some amazing burst of youth that we haven't seen, I really don't think he would surpass any of those guys."

But Plummer would be impressed by Rice even if he only made the roster as a No. 4 or 5 receiver -- mainly because of his age, 42 with another birthday coming up on Oct. 13. Playing in the NFL is the last thing Plummer can imagine doing at that age.

"No way," Plummer said. "Maybe rec league."

Defensive tackle Gerard Warren, on the other hand, could -- if he didn't play along the interior line.

"Not in the trenches at 42," Warren said, "but if I was in a skill position as Mr. Rice was, yeah, I can imagine trying to play it until the wheels fall off."

Warren, like most of the Broncos, was in elementary school when Rice began is NFL career. Running back Tatum Bell wasn't even at that point; he hadn't even advanced to kindergarten when Rice broke into the league as a first-round draft pick from Mississippi Valley State in 1985.

Bell scarcely remembers an NFL existing without Rice catching passes somewhere, so he can be forgiven for responding like a starstruck fan.

"I might have to go out and get (myself) an old 49er jersey now so I can get him to sign it for me," Bell said.

That would require the Dallas-area native to swallow a little bit of his pride in regards to the loyalty of his youth.

"I just watched him when he used to beat up on my Cowboys. I grew up a Cowboy fan," Bell said. "Every time they played in like championship game or during the season, I watched him. But I've always been a fan."

And now he -- and the other Broncos who grew up idolizing Rice -- will have a better view of Rice than they ever had from the stands or through a television.

"We're getting one of the best -- the best -- ever to play the position," Plummer said. "To say he's the best now, obviously he's not as good as some other guys but what he does on the field is amazing. For us to get him is a big move."

[Rich Karlis]

I look for Rice to snag #200 on Thanksgiving.....

[Odysseus]

I hope it's a touchdown caught during a game the Broncos win. I don't want to see him smiling during a Bronco loss.

[NFLBRONCO]

Does this move mean our young wr's are no good or org is disappointed seems desparate kind of move to me.

[Smilin Assassin]

Does this move mean our young wr's are no good or org is disappointed seems desparate kind of move to me.

It's a player Shanny respects and knows.

The deal is he must prove he can beat out our young guys.

I see no downside to that so long as everyone on the roster gets an equal shot.

[Blueflame]

all Rice is good for is finding soft spots in the zone and sitting down, he can't get off the LOS, much less outrun anyone, the only thing he has going for him is he still has good hands

Rice may still have good hands.... but even more than that, he still has good friends... and this is the second "chit" he's cashed in from one of his former 9ers coaches for a job to extend his career so that he can further pad his stats.

[Blueflame]

I hope it's a touchdown caught during a game the Broncos win. I don't want to see him smiling during a Bronco loss.

How true, QT... we've seen enough of that during his nfl career. I don't know about anyone else, but even if he does make the final 53-man roster, I'm still not forgiving or forgetting his role in that 55-10 SB.

[Old Dude]

Yeah, signing a guy with no guarantees of a roster spot for minimal money to be, at best, a 4th receiver just reeks of desperation.::)

Yeah, the sarcasm is well-taken.

It's a pretty low risk deal, and if Rice can actually function as a legitimate #4 WR, it pays off. If not, no big deal.

Other than the re-signing of Gold, and the draft pick trade with the Skins, that's the same storyline we've seen all off-season: taking fairly minor financial risks on discarded guys who might have some potential left in them.

Maybe it will work, maybe not. Beats a boot to the groin.

[scorpio]

How true, QT... we've seen enough of that during his nfl career. I don't know about anyone else, but even if he does make the final 53-man roster, I'm still not forgiving or forgetting his role in that 55-10 SB.

Why? Because he flat out-played us? It's not like he spiked Elway's water or anything. The guy can football, end of story, and I for one welcome him in light of the fact that we risk virtually nothing and could stand to gain a Lombardi trophy.

At first, I wasn't on board with this at all, but the more I think, the more I like it.

[Clockwork Orange]

Maybe it will work, maybe not. Beats a boot to the groin.

Either way, I'll take this over signing Freddie Mitchell. Hell, I might take the boot to the groin over Freddie Mitchell.

[Hogan11]

How true, QT... we've seen enough of that during his nfl career. I don't know about anyone else, but even if he does make the final 53-man roster, I'm still not forgiving or forgetting his role in that 55-10 SB.

But, but, but he's wearing a Broncos jersey now, so that makes everything alright. ::)

Yeah I hope he earns his keep while here and is still somewhat productive....but , at the same time, if he is forced on special teams, it'd be hard for me not to smile seeing an opposing player clean his clock on a punt or kickoff return (provided he doesn't have the ball, that is).

I don't like Jerry Rice....I never have....and just because he's wearing a Broncos jersey now.....well, that changes absolutely nothing for me.

[Great13]

Did anybody see Jerry on Total Access tonight?..Well he basically said that ahhh.. he still enjoys the game and ahhh... his legacy won't be tarnished.. and ahh.. he respects Rod Smith so he won't try to ahh... fight Rod for #80 and.. he ahhh.. shot a 78 on a par 72 golf course.

Hopefully that summary spares some of you guys the pain of sitting through that damn interview... He also cut his hair off.. finally.. I don't know if he did that last year or not.. but this is the first time I have seen him without his Mohican-like hair cut in a while.

[Mtbrncofn]

If the old man pulls in even one TD, it will be worth it. Again my mantra: expect very little from these newbies, and be pleasantly suprised if they produce.

Holy smokes!! What the heck happened to you, telluride? You using the word mantra could possibly be a clue though.

This is just so un-you like....I'm shocked. :poke: I think there could possibly have been a hint of optimism in there. Still my beating heart.

[orange crusher]

... and with that, "The Plan" is now complete. To summarize...

- We ditched our #1 rushing back from last year and then turned around and drafted Maurice Clarett.

- We restructured the contract of our best D-lineman, bad back and all and then recruited the Browns D-line to back him up.

- The primary weakness of the Broncos D, after last years playoff loss, was the secondary. And that was corrected promptly with the selection of 3 CB draft picks.

- We patterned ourselves after the Raiders and got ourselves our own drunk kicker.

- And to cap it all off, we pick up a soon to be 43 year old WR who may duke it out with our own Rod Smith to see who wears #80.

Can you either say that these are a bunch of desperate acquisitions made by a madman who's clinging onto his job...

... or a series of calculated maneuvers designed by a Mastermind to bring the broncos a third Super Bowl in franchise history.

This thing could blow up in our faces. But like Hannibal Smith says, " I love it when a plan comes together.." maybe all the peices will fit together and make this team something worth watching this coming season. I'll be watching. :)

- We ditched our #1 rushing back from last year and then turned around and drafted Maurice Clarett.

We ditched our #1 running back from last year? Statistically - yes, talent wise - no. Reuben filled in nicely when called upon, but he clearly wore down later in the season. Mike Anderson is back this year and is comparable to Reuben in my opinion. I think most people believe the job is Tatum's to lose this year. Depth behind Tatum is pretty good with or without Reuben. They also avoided a contract dispute and got two DL in the trade. Good move in my opinion.

- We restructured the contract of our best D-lineman, bad back and all and then recruited the Browns D-line to back him up.

When I think of restructuring I think of re-working the contract so that the the cap hit isn't as large but the player still gets the same pay or more in the end. It was my understanding that Trevor took a pay cut to stay this year. I don't think there were any viable trade options. Yes, they could have cut him, but it wouldn't have provided any more cap space this year and he's a pro-bowl calibur player if his back holds up. I liked the move.

- The primary weakness of the Broncos D, after last years playoff loss, was the secondary. And that was corrected promptly with the selection of 3 CB draft picks.

I disagree that the secondary was the primary weakness in the D. I think the D-Line was the primary weakness. No pressure from the line created problems in the secondary. Four D-Linemen were added for less than what it would have taken to sign Heyward. I think the pickups are low risk / high reward moves. I think one big reason for drafting three db's was special teams - another glaring weakness in last year's team. They did go into the playoffs last year without Walls and Middlebrooks and lack of quality depth killed them. Hopefully, the youngsters will pan out.

- We patterned ourselves after the Raiders and got ourselves our own drunk kicker.

I know Sauerbrun isn't well liked by a lot of people on this board, but our punting flat out sucked. Micah Knorr, Jason Baker...it's about time we got a real punter. Big boost to special teams.

- And to cap it all off, we pick up a soon to be 43 year old WR who may duke it out with our own Rod Smith to see who wears #80.

He better not even think about asking for 80!

I think the organization did a pretty good job this offseason given what they had to work with in cap space. I think special teams will be vastly improved with Sauerbrun, Darrent Williams, Gold, Burns, etc. The D-Line won't be any worse than last year and if either Pryce, Brown, or Warren play to their potential the D-Line will be greatly improved. These two areas were the biggest weaknesses in the team. Only time will tell if it enough to get them over the top.

[telluride]

My new leaf. Guarded optimism.

(Check back with me after shanny blows a game, however.)

[Mtbrncofn]

My new leaf. Guarded optimism.

(Check back with me after shanny blows a game, however.)


Ha!
I am impressed though!

[Blueflame]

Why? Because he flat out-played us? It's not like he spiked Elway's water or anything. The guy can football, end of story, and I for one welcome him in light of the fact that we risk virtually nothing and could stand to gain a Lombardi trophy.

At first, I wasn't on board with this at all, but the more I think, the more I like it.

Correction: the guy could football...not can football. With the perspective of having seen Rice in practice for most of last season... and with less-talented young WRs than Denver has... Holmgren declined to retain his services in Seattle.

I do not believe for one second that Jerry Rice is or can still be the difference-maker that earns us another Lombardi. As Pezman said, he's nothing more than this year's Garrison Hearst. IMO.

And I do not like his attitude.... I've seen too many instances of him pouting on the sidelines, like when his (meaningless) "games with a catch" streak ended in Oakland.

No, like Hogan11, I don't like this signing and won't applaud it no matter what.

[baja]

How true, QT... we've seen enough of that during his nfl career. I don't know about anyone else, but even if he does make the final 53-man roster, I'm still not forgiving or forgetting his role in that 55-10 SB.

How fleeting the love for our heroes really is.

I remember when Eddie Mac retired, it was an underwhelming so long and thanks for the memories. Same with TD. At least that's the way I saw it.

I suspect it will be a while before we see the likes of those two again, granted it's a little different with Rice but he still has earned respect if you appreciate a good hard working football player that is.

[Blueflame]

How fleeting the love for our heroes really is.

I remember when Eddie Mac retired, it was an underwhelming so long and thanks for the memories. Same with TD. At least that's the way I saw it.

I suspect it will be a while before we see the likes of those two again, granted it's a little different with Rice but he still has earned respect if you appreciate a good hard working football player that is.

One can respect a given player's ability and/or career stats without welcoming them to one's favorite team, Baja. From my perspective, while he's a tad less in-your-face about it, Jerry Rice falls into the same category as Randy Moss and Terrell Owens... talented guys who don't want to share the spotlight with anyone Good thing we don't have any other huge egos in our lockerroom, eh? :P

[baja]

One can respect a given player's ability and/or career stats without welcoming them to one's favorite team, Baja. From my perspective, while he's a tad less in-your-face about it, Jerry Rice falls into the same category as Randy Moss and Terrell Owens... talented guys who don't want to share the spotlight with anyone Good thing we don't have any other huge egos in our lockerroom, eh? :P

I wasn't meaning to single you out Blue it's just I don't get the collective throwing Jerry Rice under the bus thing. Any way you slice it he is a great player who has a great great career and to not like him cause he was good enough to help hand the Broncos a 55 - 10 thumping is not what sportsmanship and appreciation of great play is about IMO.

Me I'm glad we got a chance to see what the old master can do for us.

[watermock]

The way Rat goes after washed up use to be's nowadays I would say you guys are the new Raiders but when you are signing players that the Raiders have even put to pasture makes me think you guys are creating a class of your own.

How amusing.

How is C. Brown old? Injured yes, old, no. Warren isn't old, hell, he's on his rookie contract. How is MoC old? How is Q old? How is TaterTot old? How is Ekeuban old? How is Pope old?

How is the Putz old? How is Lelie old? How is Watts old? How is Foster old? How is Hamilton old?

How is Gold old? How is DJ Williams old?

Your so full of crap it's not even funny. Want me to run down the Chefs OL age, or WR, or RB, or LB, or every place you can look at?

Denver has an aging WR in Rod Smith, and older Center in Nalen, an aging LT and an older MLB. Pryce isn't a spring chicken, but I dare your sorry ass to say that the Broncos are not a younger team than the Chefs. It's ludicrous.

That's basically it, we have about half a dozen aging players on the whole roster you dimwit.

Yeah, we have some older role players like Marco Coleman, Anderson and Lynch, but overall, the team is one of the youngest in the league. Top it off, we may move to snag a franchise QB next year, or just take our picks where they are.

With 9 picks, two in the first, it's amusing you would say the Broncos are an old team. Denver will be even younger next year.

[Blueflame]

I wasn't meaning to single you out Blue it's just I don't get the collective throwing Jerry Rice under the bus thing. Any way you slice it he is a great player who has a great great career and to not like him cause he was good enough to help hand the Broncos a 55 - 10 thumping is not what sportsmanship and appreciation of great play is about IMO.

Me I'm glad we got a chance to see what the old master can do for us.

It seems to me that fan reaction is pretty much a mixed bag, Baja. Yeah he was a great, albeit prima donna player... one who, as an adversary, has been a major factor in more Bronco defeats than I care to try to recall, both as a niner and as a fader. Should any former fader have any reasonable expectation of an warm welcoming embrace from Broncos fans, though? We're taught from birth to detest the Evil Empire, after all. :P

For some of us (who shall remain unnamed) who have given fadefans grief over their "geriatrics", the signing of a much-older Rice by our own team leaves us, shall we say, a tad chagrined when our words from years ago jump up to bite us now. And I can positively attest that rival fans are laughing their butts off at the Broncos and the offseason moves that have been made. It's not an easy thing to accept that we're the laughingstock of the league... but it's a fact nonetheless.

[Odysseus]

I hope he doesn't retire like the old master Yoda and just disappears into a defense somewhere.

I don't know if I applaud Rice or not. I thought it was a joke when someone said he was coming on board. I'm just intrigued by the irony and wierdness of this whole thing. Seeing him go against the Raiders? That is as wierd as seeing him suited up as a Raider. At least Jerry Rice isn't doing a Deion jumping back and forth between the booth and the field. Thanks Deion.

[Cito Pelon]

Oh just to let you know 21 of Rice's 30 catches went for a first down. 50% on first down, 90% on second down, and 83.3% on third down. Thats not a bad target for a 4th wr.

Pretty good stats. I hope he helps the team out a lot, because the irritation of hearing "arguably the best football player ever" over and over and over and over has to be overcome somehow.

[watermock]

A team with Trint Green, the Priest, Eddie Kennison, Morton and an OL that knew dirt before volcanos, it's pretty amusing. Willie Roaf?

Your owner is old as dirt, your coach is old as dirt. The whole team is old as dirt. Goonther is old as dirt. Even Gonzo isn't a spring chicken anymore.

The defense is horrible. You bring in an old corner and throw millions away and a second. Kendrell Bell might get out of his wheelchair.

The defense MIGHT be improved, but not in any significance. It shouldn't be that hard to scrape yourself off the bottom of the league. Kansas City will have a top 32 Defense. Heh.

Two years ago, I picked Kansas City to go to the SuperBowl, they went 13-3 then laid a dookie in the playoffs.

So don't bother telling me I'm a homer.

They might make a minor push this year, but the window is closed.

[watermock]

As far as signing Rice goes, it's totally idiotic. Period.

[baja]

It seems to me that fan reaction is pretty much a mixed bag, Baja. Yeah he was a great, albeit prima donna player... one who, as an adversary, has been a major factor in more Bronco defeats than I care to try to recall, both as a niner and as a fader. Should any former fader have any reasonable expectation of an warm welcoming embrace from Broncos fans, though? We're taught from birth to detest the Evil Empire, after all. :P

For some of us (who shall remain unnamed) who have given fadefans grief over their "geriatrics", the signing of a much-older Rice by our own team leaves us, shall we say, a tad chagrined when our words from years ago jump up to bite us now. And I can positively attest that rival fans are laughing their butts off at the Broncos and the offseason moves that have been made. It's not an easy thing to accept that we're the laughingstock of the league... but it's a fact nonetheless.

Well you could be right or we could win the Super Bowl with the moves we have made. My take is we will prove to be closer to wining the SB than we are to being laughing stocks. Just my opinion. I will predict we will win not less than 10 games and play more that one playoff game with this squad that you say is a laughing stock. BTW Sure is sad you give a shiit what a Raider fan thinks .

[watermock]

I hope he doesn't retire like the old master Yoda and just disappears into a defense somewhere.

I don't know if I applaud Rice or not. I thought it was a joke when someone said he was coming on board. I'm just intrigued by the irony and wierdness of this whole thing. Seeing him go against the Raiders? That is as wierd as seeing him suited up as a Raider. At least Jerry Rice isn't doing a Deion jumping back and forth between the booth and the field. Thanks Deion.

Deion was thrown out of the booth. We can only hope Steven A. Smith meets the same fate, he said he was going to vomit last night.

All of ESPN's baskeball "experts" are so consistently wrong it's hillarious. You have a 50/50 chance of being right. These morons can't crack 25. It's amazing.

With the "plan", how can you be surprised that Jerry Rice is a Bronco?

This isn't a plan, it's an Al Capone Syphillis induced nightmare.

It should make for good amusement, but the guy is 42 years old and a candidate for Cialis.

[clint7]

For me, the guy got on NFL Network and wrapped up his interview by speaking directly to the Denver fans letting them know, he realizes what some critics and members of the media are saying about this, but he isn't coming to Denver to pad stats, he's continuing to play because he loves the game, respects Mike Shanahan, and he wants to come help the team and get Denver to the Super Bowl. Even though that's the "PR" thing to say, he still said it...and seemed to mean it. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. He's a Bronco now, he has my full support. Go get 'em Jerry! Go Broncos!

[baja]

For me, the guy got on NFL Network and wrapped up his interview by speaking directly to the Denver fans letting them know, he realizes what some critics and members of the media are saying about this, but he isn't coming to Denver to pad stats, he's continuing to play because he loves the game, respects Mike Shanahan, and he wants to come help the team and get Denver to the Super Bowl. Even though that's the "PR" thing to say, he still said it...and seemed to mean it. I'm willing to give the guy a chance. He's a Bronco now, he has my full support. Go get 'em Jerry! Go Broncos!

Do they run those interviews again?

[Macnut]

If Jerry Rice makes the team and its almost a sure thing, Lelie's #'s will surely fall. Rice will be getting some of Lelies #'s. I wouldn't be surprised if Rice becomes Plummers 2nd favorite after Rod Smith.

[Blueflame]

Well you could be right or we could win the Super Bowl with the moves we have made. My take is we will prove to be closer to wining the SB than we are to being laughing stocks. Just my opinion. I will predict we will win not less than 10 games and play more that one playoff game with this squad that you say is a laughing stock. BTW Sure is sad you give a shiit what a Raider fan thinks .

Enough changes have been made that I'm not sure I want to make any bold predictions until it's from the perspective of having seen a couple of preseason games. A lot depends on the "Browncos" panning out (and a healthy Pryce) and establishing a solid pass rush. Then if special teams can give us even five or ten more yards on our average field position, that will help a lot, too.

Rice? I truly don't believe he'll be any more of an impact player for the '05 Broncos than Hearst was for the '04 Broncos.

What's sadder yet, Baja, is if you think Fadefans are the only ones laughing at the Broncos for devoting a roster spot to Jerry Rice's ego. If he was really able to still contribute, Holmgren would have found a way to keep him.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't know what the deal is. We got a guy that we know is going to give 110% no matter what his role is on the team. Jerry has never half assed anything so why do you guys think he will now. Some of us are kidding themselves about this "young talent" we have at the WR position as well. Jerry may not make the team but if he does I know we will see everything he has every single play he is out there. Im guessing it will be good for 10-20 catches for 100-200 yards. Toss in a td or two for fun. Im not expecting the world out of the guy but I know he has more to offer then most other guys out there. Hell if Rod can pick up just one new work out that prolongs his career two years then this was well worth it.

[DBroncos4life]

You never covered, can he get seperation at the LOS and still break zone coverage? He has lost a few steps. I laugh when I read all this red zone garbage about him. Give me a break. I can't wait to check his red zone stats at the end of the year.........



I don't even know where to begin on this one. Do you even look at stats before you open up and say this crap? Three tds last year means he caught at td every 10 passes. He had 6 catches over 20 yards that includes 1 over 40. 14.6 yard per catch avg isn't bad for a #4 guy. He must have did something right to get 30 catches last year and that wouldn't be out of the question again this year. I don't think he will be a red zone threat but thats not the point.

[Atlas]

So...do me a favor and list how many legit targets Plummer has had the last few years....I'd be surprised if it is more than 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 per game. What's funny is...even with the LACK of targets, Plummer broke Elway's passing record. Imagine if he had TD, Sharpe, McCaffrey and Smith to throw at. Now subtract TD, Sharpe, Mccaffrey and add 1/2 of Lelie and 1/2 of Putzier. What do you get?

PLummer has only been in Denver 2 seasons...
In 2003 Plummer had Sharpe. Ed. Rod and Lelie
in 2004 PLummer had Rod, Lelie Watts and Putz

It's not like Plummer has been here 10 years and Shanny has failed to get him help. Get a grip.

[Atlas]

If the old man pulls in even one TD, it will be worth it. Again my mantra: expect very little from these newbies, and be pleasantly suprised if they produce.

Has anyone noticed Telluride has been a much better poster lately???

[Atlas]

For some of us (who shall remain unnamed) who have given fadefans grief over their "geriatrics", the signing of a much-older Rice by our own team leaves us, shall we say, a tad chagrined when our words from years ago jump up to bite us now. .

I disagree, The Broncos are very young at WR. Outside of Rod no WR on the team has more than 3 years experience. If Rice can be another veteren leader that will help.

[Atlas]

I was against the Rice signing but now that he is a Bronco I'm behind him 100%!!!!

No use crying over spilt milk.

I hope Denver gives him number 12 or some dumb sh_t like that!! LOL

[Odysseus]

Im guessing it will be good for 10-20 catches for 100-200 yards. Toss in a td or two for fun. Im not expecting the world out of the guy but I know he has more to offer then most other guys out there. Hell if Rod can pick up just one new work out that prolongs his career two years then this was well worth it.

Why not? What do we lose by having a seasoned WR on the field?

I think the Jerry haters have it all wrong. Jerry isn't going to TAKE anything from anyone. He is just not going to drop the balls that should not have been dropped in the first place.

I think if anyone can pick Jerry Rice's head it's Rod Smith. Take a look at our WR coach. He's probably Jerry's age. Maybe he could pick Jerry's brains for ideas that might work. The younger recievers don't want to be on the practice squad or visiting Europe. They want to beat this old man. Lelile commented about how Darius made him try harder. I wonder if Rice can push both Darius and Ashley?

Assuming Jerry even makes the team he's being humble because he knows he this is really his last shot. We've had slower guys that Jerry out there. We've had guys with more positive hype with lesser skills. I don't see the downside if the guy can still play. Trust me. He'll be hearing no end of grief from opposing teams cornerbacks. You think his day at the office compares to your then you are kidding yourself.

[TheManeMan]

I was against the Rice signing but now thathe is a Bronco I'm behind him 100%!!!!

No use crying over spilt milk.

I hope Denver gives him number 12 or some dumb sh_t like that!! LOL


LOL...

He's probably going to have no other choice...every number in the 80's is assigned except for #89...

and #18 is the other available number in the teens...

[Odysseus]

LOL...

He's probably going to have no other choice...every number in the 80's is assigned except for #89...

and #18 is the other available number in the teens...

Maybe they can start issuing out decimal numbers like Jerry 80.1 ? Hilarious!

[Atlas]

Maybe they can start issuing out decimal numbers like Jerry 80.1 ? Hilarious!

Damn... too bad I just repped for a different post!!!

[DBroncos4life]

Why not? What do we lose by having a seasoned WR on the field?

I think the Jerry haters have it all wrong. Jerry isn't going to TAKE anything from anyone. He is just not going to drop the balls that should not have been dropped in the first place.

I think if anyone can pick Jerry Rice's head it's Rod Smith. Take a look at our WR coach. He's probably Jerry's age. Maybe he could pick Jerry's brains for ideas that might work. The younger recievers don't want to be on the practice squad or visiting Europe. They want to beat this old man. Lelile commented about how Darius made him try harder. I wonder if Rice can push both Darius and Ashley?

Assuming Jerry even makes the team he's being humble because he knows he this is really his last shot. We've had slower guys that Jerry out there. We've had guys with more positive hype with lesser skills. I don't see the downside if the guy can still play. Trust me. He'll be hearing no end of grief from opposing teams cornerbacks. You think his day at the office compares to your then you are kidding yourself.



Thats what I don't get man, why people think hes TAKING someones spot. Thats a bunch of BS. Had someone been good enough to earn that spot in the first place this wouldn't even be a issue. Now that the greatest wr in nfl history walks in its like damn there goes such and suches spot. Well if "such" is good enough he will make the team anyways and the crappier guy will get cut. Lets face it NOT every guy on the team is great. Some people are just taking up space till someone else comes along and proves they WANT it more then they do. My money will be on the 43 year old guy.

[Atlas]

Thats what I don't get man, why people think hes TAKING someones spot. Thats a bunch of BS. Had someone been good enough to earn that spot in the first place this wouldn't even be a issue. Now that the greatest wr in nfl history walks in its like damn there goes such and suches spot. Well if "such" is good enough he will make the team anyways and the crappier guy will get cut. Lets face it NOT every guy on the team is great. Some people are just taking up space till someone else comes along and proves they WANT it more then they do. My money will be on the 43 year old guy.

I hope the Broncos keep 6 WR but then they probably want to keep their 17 DL too...???

[DBroncos4life]

I hope the Broncos keep 6 WR but then they probably want to keep their 17 DL too...???


I was hoping for this. Smith, Lelie, Watts, Luke, Johnson, Rice, and Jackson. Adams and Crenshaw are the bubble guys. Im sure Crenshaw is safe on the BS again this year. I look at things like this. Gone is Reubs 32 catches. Enter Bell. Now I know that most think he doesn't have great hands but I don't think that they are that bad. I looked up his stats from college and I think it was a fumble every 150 carries or so. Sure it could be better but it wasn't all that bad. I think he is scary when we set up the screen. Still Reubs catches need to be accounted for. Then House could be gone. Enter Alexander. He should match House. Last year our 2 number 4 guys combined for 14 catches 132 yards and 0 tds. It crackes me up that people are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO scared that Rice may impeed on those awsome stats. Don't get me wrong I think Luke and BJ have great up-side but those are the only two. Anyways I will take Rice at a number 4 guy over anyother guy on our team anyday. Oh and the best part is Rice knows the O already. Nothing will be new for him. 18 years and everything will be the same. You got to love that.

[Atlas]

I was hoping for this. Smith, Lelie, Watts, Luke, Johnson, Rice, and Jackson. Adams and Crenshaw are the bubble guys. Im sure Crenshaw is safe on the BS again this year. I look at things like this. Gone is Reubs 32 catches. Enter Bell. Now I know that most think he doesn't have great hands but I don't think that they are that bad. I looked up his stats from college and I think it was a fumble every 150 carries or so. Sure it could be better but it wasn't all that bad. I think he is scary when we set up the screen. Still Reubs catches need to be accounted for. Then House could be gone. Enter Alexander. He should match House. Last year our 2 number 4 guys combined for 14 catches 132 yards and 0 tds. It crackes me up that people are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO scared that Rice may impeed on those awsome stats. Don't get me wrong I think Luke and BJ have great up-side but those are the only two. Anyways I will take Rice at a number 4 guy over anyother guy on our team anyday. Oh and the best part is Rice knows the O already. Nothing will be new for him. 18 years and everything will be the same. You got to love that.

I would like to see Charlie Adams get a chance. BUT I don't think he'll make the club now....

[watermock]

I wouldn't call Rice "seasoned" unless your talking about buffalo jerkey from the 1800's. When we bring in a 42 year old player that even Oakland has given up on, you have to wonder.

If you want a veteran WR, why didn't we grab Troy Brown?

This is nothing more than a personal favor by Shanahan at the expense of the team. It's ludicrous.

[Blueflame]

I disagree, The Broncos are very young at WR. Outside of Rod no WR on the team has more than 3 years experience. If Rice can be another veteren leader that will help.

Hmmm... I think we have a misunderstanding here. I wasn't saying our WR corps is old. I was saying that since some Broncosfans laughed at the Fade for signing then-37 or 38-year-old Jerry Rice (plus a bunch more old graybeards) Fadefans are looking at some prime smack payback now that the Broncos have signed 43-year-old Jerry Rice. :P

For some perspective on just how old Jerry Rice really is... when he was going into his 11th season... as Rod is this fall... Rod was just a rookie.

[Blueflame]

Thats what I don't get man, why people think hes TAKING someones spot. Thats a bunch of BS. Had someone been good enough to earn that spot in the first place this wouldn't even be a issue. Now that the greatest wr in nfl history walks in its like damn there goes such and suches spot. Well if "such" is good enough he will make the team anyways and the crappier guy will get cut. Lets face it NOT every guy on the team is great. Some people are just taking up space till someone else comes along and proves they WANT it more then they do. My money will be on the 43 year old guy.

The question is this... do we really buy it that Jerry Rice will, in fact, have to earn a roster spot? Maybe... and maybe that's just PR. The suspicion is that Shanahan will be reluctant to cut Rice in favor of a young WR unless that young WR puts in a truly spectacular performance in training camp. With a limited number of WR slots available on the final 53-man roster, if one goes to Jerry Rice simply on the basis of past performance, then one young WR will be cut...and he does, in fact, lose an opportunity he likely would have had if Jerry Rice had opted to retire (as he should have, imo).

[Atlas]

Hmmm... I think we have a misunderstanding here. I wasn't saying our WR corps is old. I was saying that since some Broncosfans laughed at the Fade for signing then-37 or 38-year-old Jerry Rice (plus a bunch more old graybeards) Fadefans are looking at some prime smack payback now that the Broncos have signed 43-year-old Jerry Rice. :P



All I was saying that the big difference between the Faiders and us is that the Faiders were an old team bringing in old players, Denver is a relatively young team that brought in one old person.

I just now drank that Bud light you gave me in the Tree House. Thanks. Tasted Great!!!

[Blueflame]

All I was saying that the big difference between the Faiders and us is that the Faiders were an old team bringing in old players, Denver is a relatively young team that brought in one old person.

I just now drank that Bud light you gave me in the Tree House. Thanks. Tasted Great!!!

Yeah, I know... the situations are totally different. The last of the Fade's old coots (Gannon) has recently announced his plans to retire. One would have thought all those backloaded contracts would have had more effect on the Fade's salary cap. ???

:D Ah, yes... a nice cold Bud Light does hit the spot.

[watermock]

The guy is so old the only cornrows he can grow are in his pubic region.

We have corners who were in diapers when Rice started in the NFL. Oh, never mind.

[Atlas]

The guy is so old the only cornrows he can grow are in his pubic region.

We have corners who were in diapers when Rice started in the NFL. Oh, never mind.

I agree Mock. I don't mind Rice being on the roster now. I just hope that if he isn't deserving of being on the roster at cutdown time that Shanny will have the stones to cut him.

[Blueflame]

I agree Mock. I don't mind Rice being on the roster now. I just hope that if he isn't deserving of being on the roster at cutdown time that Shanny will have the stones to cut him.

Exactly... I don't want to see the bar set higher for the young guys simply out of reluctance to cut a future HOFer. I'm not absolutely convinced that Rice's roster spot isn't "essentially" guaranteed, though. I'll be relatively placated as long as there's no obvious indications that the competition might be unfairly tilted in favor of the coot. I'm openly rooting for the youngsters, however...

[watermock]

Meanwhile we let Troy Brown march off into the desert?

He's the conumate pro, can play both WR and Corner and return punts.

Wouldn't that of made just a little more sense, since he isn't 42?

Not only that, New England has a nasty habit of outplaying other teams. See three Rings in 4 years. Noone knows more about how New England works as a player than Brown, unless we steal a coach.

Mock says this is simply a favor. And a stupid one.

[Atlas]

Exactly... I don't want to see the bar set higher for the young guys simply out of reluctance to cut a future HOFer. I'm not absolutely convinced that Rice's roster spot isn't "essentially" guaranteed, though. I'll be relatively placated as long as there's no obvious indications that the competition might be unfairly tilted in favor of the coot. I'm openly rooting for the youngsters, however...

It'll be easy to make Rice look better just call his number a lot in the preseason. Against 3rd stringers and hanger ons once Rice get 6 catches for 72 yards Shanny will have justification enough to keep him.

[Raiders Rock]

He will be the Donks #1 reciever next year, catch 10 td passes , gain 1000+ yards, and lead the Donks to a Superbowl victory over the hapless Eagirls, then retire a Doncko just before trading camp next year.

You heard it here first.

RR

[clint7]

Do they run those interviews again?

Baja,

If you don't catch a re-run, they have a link on www.denverbroncos.com (http://www.denverbroncos.com) that has his interview. I haven't watched the link, but I'd assume it was the entire interview that was on NFL Network.

[baja]

Enough changes have been made that I'm not sure I want to make any bold predictions until it's from the perspective of having seen a couple of preseason games. A lot depends on the "Browncos" panning out (and a healthy Pryce) and establishing a solid pass rush. Then if special teams can give us even five or ten more yards on our average field position, that will help a lot, too.

Rice? I truly don't believe he'll be any more of an impact player for the '05 Broncos than Hearst was for the '04 Broncos.

What's sadder yet, Baja, is if you think Fadefans are the only ones laughing at the Broncos for devoting a roster spot to Jerry Rice's ego. If he was really able to still contribute, Holmgren would have found a way to keep him.

You have made a bold prediction you said the Broncos have become the laughing stock of the NFL and I say you pulled that one out of your, well what ever.

Read this maybe it will help with your embarrassment of the Broncos.

broncos
Broncos catch Rice looking for work
Legendary receiver hooks up with Denver at 42 without job security of an NFL star
By Patrick Saunders
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com

Jerry Rice, an NFL legend, is going to have to prove himself all over again.

At age 42.

The wide receiver - with 1,549 career catches, 208 touchdowns, 20 NFL seasons, 13 Pro Bowls and three Super Bowl championships on his résumé - agreed Wednesday to a one-year deal with the Broncos. His contract calls for him to make $765,000 with a $25,000 signing bonus, an NFL source said.

Rice agreed to come to Denver even though coach Mike Shana- han has told him his place on the roster is not guaranteed.

"It worked out perfect with Mike in the conversation we had," Rice said Wednesday. "He is not rolling out the red carpet. I have always had to compete for a job and that's the way I prefer it. I have always had to prove myself and this is nothing new."

Rice's agent, Jim Steiner, said there are compelling reasons Rice wants to play a 21st season in the NFL.

"What drives Jerry is his love for the game and the passion that still burns in his gut," Steiner said. "And he has a passion not just for playing, but for winning. He wanted to play for a contending team like the Broncos. Plus, he thinks that Coach Shanahan knows how to use him better than any coach in the league."

The most recent man to throw to Rice, Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, predicted Rice not only will make the Broncos' roster, he will make the Broncos better in 2005.

"Absolutely Jerry can still play," Hasselbeck said. "He might not have caught a lot of passes last season for us, but he did a lot of things you could never measure. From my perspective, he was a joy to play with. It was an honor, and I think he made our team better."

The Broncos are Rice's third team in two seasons. Last year, he had just five catches in six games with the Oakland Raiders before they traded him to Seattle. Rice finished 2004 with 30 receptions for 429 yards and three touchdowns, his worst season, except for 1997 when knee injuries limited him to two games.

In his final three games with Seattle, including the Seahawks' playoff loss to St. Louis, Rice was shut out.

In February, Seattle released Rice and he contemplated retirement. Earlier in the offseason, Rice approached the 49ers about returning to the franchise where he starred from 1985- 2000, but first-year 49ers coach Mike Nolan respectfully declined Rice's request. Earlier this month, Steiner faxed all 32 teams, apprising them of Rice's desire to play one more season.

Hasselbeck said Rice still has the passion to play the game.

"I would see Jerry - we all called him Mr. Rice - in his football cleats, running on the treadmill, 10 minutes before practice," he said. "Most of the other guys would get out on the field just in time for our 10 a.m. practice. They would be out there at 9:59. But Jerry was already working. And he worked after practice, too."

Shanahan and Rice forged a strong relationship during Shanahan's three years as the 49ers' offensive coordinator from 1992-94. In the 1994 season, Rice set a 49ers season record with 112 receptions and set an NFL record with his ninth consecutive 1,000-yard season. He also caught three touchdown passes in the 49ers' victory over San Diego in Super Bowl XXIX.

Shanahan has called Rice "arguably the best player to ever play the game." Yet the magic Rice and Shanahan created in San Francisco doesn't secure Rice a place on Denver's roster. Shanahan declined to talk to the media Wednesday, but last week he laid out the challenge facing Rice.

"There's no promises of him being the third receiver, the fourth receiver, the fifth receiver," Shanahan said. "I told Jerry that I don't know if he's lost a step or two steps, but you're going to come here for one reason and that's to compete with the other guys. And if you're one of our top five guys at the end of camp, then you're going to be on our football team. If you're not, I said I'd have one of the toughest jobs in the world."

Rice has 16 regular-season NFL records and was named to the NFL's 75th anniversary team. But the question facing Denver is how much he has left to give.

"You don't know," Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer said. "He's as well-rounded a receiver as there has ever been. But you state his age and that's a big issue. Forty-two years old and what can he do? What can he not do?"

Hasselbeck acknowledged Rice has lost speed, but said given the right situation Rice still can excel.

"He's got great hands, they're enormous, so you know he can catch the ball," Hasselbeck said. "And although Jerry's not that fast anymore, he can still run great routes. I saw guys fall down last year trying to cover him."

Most of all, Hasselbeck said, Rice will bring leadership and class to the Broncos.

"I didn't know quite what to expect when he came here," Hasselbeck said. "But there was no ego. He told us he was just there to help the team. The young guys who paid attention to Jerry learned a lot from him."

[baja]

[QUOTE=blueflame]Originally Posted by Blueflame
Enough changes have been made that I'm not sure I want to make any bold predictions until it's from the perspective of having seen a couple of preseason games. A lot depends on the "Browncos" panning out (and a healthy Pryce) and establishing a solid pass rush. Then if special teams can give us even five or ten more yards on our average field position, that will help a lot, too.

Rice? I truly don't believe he'll be any more of an impact player for the '05 Broncos than Hearst was for the '04 Broncos.

What's sadder yet, Baja, is if you think Fadefans are the only ones laughing at the Broncos for devoting a roster spot to Jerry Rice's ego. If he was really able to still contribute, Holmgren would have found a way to keep him.

<b>Here's another one Blue to help ease the pain of your embarrassment of the team you supposedly support.</b>

broncos
Rice receptive to giving up spotlight

By Patrick Saunders
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com

On the day he agreed to become a Bronco, Jerry Rice was all about fitting in.

He said he has no plans to ask veteran wide receiver Rod Smith for jersey No. 80, even though Rice wore that number his first 20 NFL seasons.

Rice also doesn't need to be the center of the offense.

"I'm not trying to catch 12-14 balls a game," he told the NFL Network on Wednesday. "I'm just trying to contribute."

Which is why Broncos coach Mike Shanahan courted him. But Rice's role is yet to be determined. All indications are the top-three receiver jobs - held by Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie and Darius Watts - are filled.

When quarterback Jake Plummer was asked Wednesday if he would feel pressure to throw to Rice, he answered: "No. Maybe if I'd been throwing to him for a long time. But my order goes Rod, Ashley and Darius or whoever is after that.

"But Rod is my No. 1 man and Ashley next. So unless Jerry comes in and has some amazing burst of youth that we haven't seen, I really don't think he would surpass any of those guys."

But Plummer said Rice still could be a factor, though he had only 30 catches for 429 yards and three touchdowns last season with Oakland and Seattle.

"He still demands respect," Plummer said. "People are still going to have to guard him because he can get open, he has great hands."

Plummer has gone out of his way to praise Watts this offseason, predicting the second-year receiver is ready for a big year, even though Watts was inconsistent as a rookie and had only four receptions in his final four regular-season games. It's not hard to imagine Rice supplanting Watts as Denver's third receiver, especially if Watts drops passes as he did as a rookie.

But Watts doesn't plan to let that happen.

"I don't make excuses as a receiver," Watts said Monday. "You've got to catch every ball. There are no excuses. I'm just making sure I'm working hard and I'll keep working to get better at that."

Where the Broncos really need to improve is the red zone inside the opponent's 20-yard line. They finished the 2004 regular season ranked 28th in red- zone production, scoring a touchdown from there only 45.3 percent of the time.

Lelie enjoyed a breakout season with 54 receptions for 1,084 yards and seven touchdowns, but he had only one catch for 8 yards inside the red zone.

Plummer threw to Lelie only eight times inside the 20, compared with the 20 red-zone passes he threw to Smith.

Plummer threw only nine red- zone passes to Watts. Watts caught two, including one for a touchdown, but also dropped three potential touchdown passes in the end zone.

Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, who played with Rice for the team's final 12 games of the 2004 season, after Rice was traded from Oakland, said Wednesday that Rice could help Denver's red-zone offense.

"If I saw him in the end zone and knew I could get the ball to him, would I be confident he'd make the big catch?" Hasselbeck said. "Absolutely."

Nate Jackson could be competing with Rice for a spot on the roster. But Jackson said he's thrilled to have Rice as a teammate and mentor.

"I know that he's a great player on and off the field," Jackson said. "We can all learn so much for him that I think we'd all welcome him here."

[baja]

What do you think it will do to the young receivers we have that are all fighting for either a roster spot or the #3 /4 WR spot when they see the GOAT out on the field before and after each and every practice. Ya think it might affect their commitment to getting better? Jerry Rice will make every receiver on the Broncos better and I'll bet he even has something positive to give Rod as well. You just got the best to every play the game on your team for peanuts willing to accept whatever roll and your embarrassed go figure.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I agree Mock. I don't mind Rice being on the roster now. I just hope that if he isn't deserving of being on the roster at cutdown time that Shanny will have the stones to cut him.

Trust me, if Rice isn't going to make the squad he will develop an "owie". Moving him off due to injury will be the most palatable option for all parties concerned. Ever see a GOAT limp? :injured:

[Arkie]

I'll side with the team, thankyou. We all know Shanahan wants to give him a shot. I've heard positive things from Lynch, Champ, Al Wilson, and Plummer too.

John Lynch said it best, “My thought is there could be absolutely nothing negative about bringing a guy like that in. I would love the opportunity just to be in his presence and just get to see a little bit of his work habits. You hear all the legends about the way he works.”

All the other Broncos seem to want him here too. Jerry is the type of player that makes his teammates better.

When Jerry Rice caught seven passes for 148 yards and three touchdowns in San Francisco's 55-10 victory over the Broncos in Super Bowl XXIV, Darius Watts was 8 years old.

When Jerry rice caught eight passes for 145 yards and 1 touchdown less than 150 days ago, Darius Watts was 23 years old. This isn't too bad for a guy that is fighting for one of our 5 WR roster spots. It also exposes a common myth here that Jerry Rice can't play anymore. He's currently better than Watts. Hopefully Watts improves enough to be a solid #3. Good receivers get better from watching Jerry Rice train. Go ask Lee Evans.

If Jerry Rice would have been in the endzone instead of Darius Watts on that fateful snowy game against the Raiders, we would have won. Somebody feel free to deny this. It's those kind of differences that would have given us a home playoff game and a shot at the Super Bowl.

[i4jelway7]

I'll side with the team, thankyou. We all know Shanahan wants to give him a shot. I've heard positive things from Lynch, Champ, Al Wilson, and Plummer too.

John Lynch said it best, “My thought is there could be absolutely nothing negative about bringing a guy like that in. I would love the opportunity just to be in his presence and just get to see a little bit of his work habits. You hear all the legends about the way he works.”

All the other Broncos seem to want him here too. Jerry is the type of player that makes his teammates better.



of course no current Bronco is going to say anything negative about the Rice signing... the key word in that statement is "say".. I'm sure there are a number of players on the team that are not happy about this, but they won't say a word about it

[Atlas]

I hope he is MVP of the Superbowl!!!!!

[Arkie]

Those are the type of guys that probably can't learn from Rice. They are the ones that will suffer because of bad attitudes, and not being able to get over his age issues. Some may be jeolous that a guy at that age is better than them.

[Blueflame]

You have made a bold prediction you said the Broncos have become the laughing stock of the NFL and I say you pulled that one out of your, well what ever.

Read this maybe it will help with your embarrassment of the Broncos.

That was not a prediction as to how the team will perform in the upcoming season, Baja. It was a statement of fact that the whole league is laughing at the Broncos now... for the FA "Browncos", for drafting 3 CBs and Clarett, and now for being the only team interested in a fossil who won't admit the closing credits are long overdue for his illustrious career.

I did not state or suggest that this team cannot or will not silence the laughter (and all the critics), but they can't do that until opening day (or at least the first preseason game), can they? And I do not believe Jerry Rice will be the player who does that....I really think it will be an improvement on the defense... and on special teams.

[Blueflame]

[QUOTE=blueflame]Originally Posted by Blueflame
Enough changes have been made that I'm not sure I want to make any bold predictions until it's from the perspective of having seen a couple of preseason games. A lot depends on the "Browncos" panning out (and a healthy Pryce) and establishing a solid pass rush. Then if special teams can give us even five or ten more yards on our average field position, that will help a lot, too.

Rice? I truly don't believe he'll be any more of an impact player for the '05 Broncos than Hearst was for the '04 Broncos.

What's sadder yet, Baja, is if you think Fadefans are the only ones laughing at the Broncos for devoting a roster spot to Jerry Rice's ego. If he was really able to still contribute, Holmgren would have found a way to keep him.

<b>Here's another one Blue to help ease the pain of your embarrassment of the team you supposedly support.</b>

Come off it, Baja. One does not have to blindly support every single move the team makes in order to be a fan. If you're gonna challenge everyone who doesn't like the Rice signing, you're going to be arguing with very close to half of the Broncos fans out there.

So you can find a couple of puff pieces in the Denver media. I'm impressed.

Nnyah!

[Blueflame]

of course no current Bronco is going to say anything negative about the Rice signing... the key word in that statement is "say".. I'm sure there are a number of players on the team that are not happy about this, but they won't say a word about it

No, even if they don't like it, they won't publicly say so... as well they shouldn't. Look at what happened to Bubby Brister when he ran whining to the media.l

I found it interesting that the first three team leaders who publicly commented on the possibility of Rice signing were all defensive players.... Lynch, Bailey, and Wilson. Did the cat get the offensive veterans' tongues? Hmmmmm....

[Kaylore]

He's going to be fine. No down to this at all.

[bendog]

No, even if they don't like it, they won't publicly say so... as well they shouldn't. Look at what happened to Bubby Brister when he ran whining to the media.l

I found it interesting that the first three team leaders who publicly commented on the possibility of Rice signing were all defensive players.... Lynch, Bailey, and Wilson. Did the cat get the offensive veterans' tongues? Hmmmmm....
They're loving it cause Lynch can prolly run down Rice in practice and hurt him.

[baja]

That was not a prediction as to how the team will perform in the upcoming season, Baja. It was a statement of fact that the whole league is laughing at the Broncos now... for the FA "Browncos", for drafting 3 CBs and Clarett, and now for being the only team interested in a fossil who won't admit the closing credits are long overdue for his illustrious career.

I did not state or suggest that this team cannot or will not silence the laughter (and all the critics), but they can't do that until opening day (or at least the first preseason game), can they? And I do not believe Jerry Rice will be the player who does that....I really think it will be an improvement on the defense... and on special teams.

So Blue you get up in the morning and put on a sexy new dress you bought and as you stroll down the street you hear some gal say that is a terrible color for her to her friend drinking coffee at a sidewalk café a little further down the street you hear a guy say under his breath chicks that age should know better than wear that style of dress she is no spring chicken anymore. Do you rush home and take off the dress never to be worn again or do you proudly walk on with a bounce in your step with full knowledge of the fact you feel great in you new dress. Who gives a **** what fans of other teams or other players think. The time to change the dress is when you don't like it anymore.

[Blueflame]

So Blue you get up in the morning and put on a sexy new dress you bought and as you stroll down the street you hear some gal say that is a terrible color for her to her friend drinking coffee at a sidewalk café a little further down the street you hear a guy say under his breath chicks that age should know better than wear that style of dress she is no spring chicken anymore. Do you rush home and take off the dress never to be worn again or do you proudly walk on with a bounce in your step with full knowledge of the fact you feel great in you new dress. Who gives a **** what fans of other teams or other players think. The time to change the dress is when you don't like it anymore.

Not a very apt analogy as I'm basically a jeans n' tshirt type of gal, but hopefully, I have better taste than to buy a dress in a "terrible" color... or in a style better-suited to a teenager. The time to reject the dress is before you buy it. ;D

[baja]

Not a very apt analogy as I'm basically a jeans n' tshirt type of gal, but hopefully, I have better taste than to buy a dress in a "terrible" color... or in a style better-suited to a teenager. The time to reject the dress is before you buy it. ;D

The point is <b> you </b> decide rather the dress it to your liking not the opinion of someone else.

[Blueflame]

The point is <b> you </b> decide rather the dress it to your liking not the opinion of someone else.

Well, my husband would also get a vote. If I were in doubt as to whether or not any given "style" worked for me, I'd ask trusted friends/acquaintances for their opinions. And few would repeat the fashion faux pas if one's choice of apparel caused society in general to point and laugh...

[baja]

Well, my husband would also get a vote. If I were in doubt as to whether or not any given "style" worked for me, I'd ask trusted friends/acquaintances for their opinions. And few would repeat the fashion faux pas if one's choice of apparel caused society in general to point and laugh...

Well ask your husband if it's OK to feel good about the Broncos in spite of the fact that those pesky Raider fans are laughing at then.

[Blueflame]

Well ask your husband if it's OK to feel good about the Broncos in spite of the fact that those pesky Raider fans are laughing at then.

He hates the Rice signing every bit as much as I do. LOL

[baja]

He hates the Rice signing every bit as much as I do. LOL

Well can we ever forgive Shanny for causing us to be the laughing stock of the Raider fans

[Odysseus]

The Raider fans have Randy Moss and we have Jerry Rice. Imagine the conversation on the field between the players. What I would give to hear some of that.

[Blueflame]

Well can we ever forgive Shanny for causing us to be the laughing stock of the Raider fans

Again, it's not just Fadefans, Baja. I can attest to that from here deep in Seachicken territory.

[Northman]

if rice gets cut, this will be terrible pr for the broncos, i just think its a bad move all around, hes on the team, he cant get open. If he gets cut, the Broncos look bad. Just BAd


Uh why?

[Arkie]

...that Rice could help Denver's red-zone offense.

"If I saw him in the end zone and knew I could get the ball to him, would I be confident he'd make the big catch?" Hasselbeck said. "Absolutely. He's got great hands, they're enormous, so you know he can catch the ball, and although Jerry's not that fast anymore, he can still run great routes. I saw guys fall down last year trying to cover him."

http://www.seattleweekly.com/graphics/features/0451/041222_news_seahawks.jpg
The grab in my avatar from another angle

[TheManeMan]

Hilarious!

[baja]

Again, it's not just Fadefans, Baja. I can attest to that from here deep in Seachicken territory.

Well can we ever forgive Shanny for whom ever in the galaxy that is laughing at us.

[Clockwork Orange]

Tell Seabag fan I laugh every time Koren Robinson and Darrell Jackson drop a pass.

Which means I get to laugh a lot.

[-Slap-]

Darkhorse is forgetting special teams....

Yeah, but with in depth analysis like "red zone, shmed zone", how can you complain?

[Blueflame]

Well can we ever forgive Shanny for whom ever in the galaxy that is laughing at us.

In the great Shanny debates, I've always been in his corner, Baja... despite not always agreeing with every decision he makes.

[baja]

In the great Shanny debates, I've always been in his corner, Baja... despite not always agreeing with every decision he makes.

Good me too so you won't sweat the small stuff then..

[Drek]

Meanwhile we let Troy Brown march off into the desert?We had no shot at Brown, I live in New England, it was public knowledge that he wasn't going anywhere as long as the Pats offered even a vet. minimum one year deal.

I get a kick out of starting a thread about this not long ago, half as a joke. I'm cool with it though. Here's how I see the WR battles breaking down.
WR1 Rod Smith
WR2 Ashley Lelie
WR3 Darius Watts
WR4 Jerry Rice
WR5 Triandos Luke (speed and special teams use keep him on the roster over Jackson)

BJ Johnson gets sent to the practice squad and/or NFL Europe to let him get back on track after missing all last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if we go with 6 WRs on the roster should 6 guys play up to an impressive level too, though I'm not sure how much history Shanny has of going with 6 WRs.

[Odysseus]

Bringing in Jerry really isn't getting rid of anything if a WR ends up on a practice squad or gets a trip to Europe. Besides don't they draft a WR every year? Half the time the guy sucks anyway so this is just an older guy who we know for sure didn't suck.

[BroncoManCanuck]

Yep, just heard this on 950 AM.

This is awesome, somebody give Triandos Luke a bus pass or something.
Keep Luke around. Get that bitch Nate Jackson out of Denver. Did you see him on broncos tv on denverbroncos.com? What a woman.

[Blueflame]

Keep Luke around. Get that b**** Nate Jackson out of Denver. Did you see him on broncos tv on denverbroncos.com? What a woman.

You say that like there's something inherently wrong with being a woman....

You do realize the Mane has quite a few posters of the female gender, right?