Rice...Sign or Retire? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

GreatBronco16

05-24-2005, 10:49 AM

Broncos | Rice Signs or Retires? - from www.KFFL.com
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ESPN.com's John Clayton reports free agent WR Jerry Rice (Seahawks) may have to retire if he decides not to sign with the Denver Broncos. Money isn't an issue because Rice will make less than $800,000 if he signs. Head coach Mike Shanahan is optimistic Rice will accept the deal to become Denver's No. 4 wide receiver.

Not sure if this was posted from kffl yesterday or not but I just came across it. So according to this, if Rice signs and makes it through camp, then he will be the #4 WR ahead of Luke, C.Adams and Nate Jackson?

Sassy

05-24-2005, 10:51 AM

What happened to "Rice has to earn his spot?" Blah!!!

Smilin Assassin

05-24-2005, 10:56 AM

I'm willing to bet this is just an assumption on Clayton's part.

He probably feels Rice could beat out anyone not named Smith/Lelie or Watts on our depth chart, and is assured the #4 slot.

You don't need facts to work in the media.

Ballhawk

05-24-2005, 11:01 AM

Man I can't wait to start discussing something other than a Punter or a possible 4/5 WR...This time of year sucks!

DivineLegion

05-24-2005, 11:04 AM

Ten bucks says he dosent beat Luke

Kaylore

05-24-2005, 11:23 AM

He has good hands, he's cheap, he can still beat a crappy dime back, and if he pushes the other guys fight for their spot, which Shanny loves to do, then I'll drop 800 grand on him.

DBroncos4life

05-24-2005, 11:52 AM

He has good hands, he's cheap, he can still beat a crappy dime back, and if he pushes the other guys fight for their spot, which Shanny loves to do, then I'll drop 800 grand on him.

I agree. His hands are still good, he still runs great routes, and because its Rice Plummer may feel safer throwing the ball to him a Bj, Luke, or Nate whe the games on the line. As long as it helps Plummer not key on Smith all the time Im for it.

Rigs11

05-24-2005, 12:33 PM

We need someone with his hands in the red zone.

Pendejo

05-24-2005, 01:00 PM

Rice is a shell of his former self, but he can still wrap his meat hooks around the rock. The Donks have some young guys battling for spots that certainly don't make you drool over their prospects. Luke is fast...Jackson is a tall white guy, and Charlie Adams seems to always find a way to bounce back/cling to a roster spot. I understand wanting to develop the young guys...but at what price? How much does Rice have left in the tank? If he's not empty he's certainly sputtering.

What a friggin' mess. I say bring Rice in...give him a look. If he can't beat out the young questionable kids...then so be it. Saying that...he doesn't get anywhere near the number 80. That belongs to the self made great Rod Smith. While Rice may be the all time greatest wide receiver...Rod Smith has earned the right through hard work and sacrifice to wear that number for as long as he plays in Denver. That's absolute, and without question or debate...unless of course Rod himself says otherwise.

Bringing Rice in shouldn't hurt the franchise at all. If anything it will push their underachieving wideout corp (Yes Lelie is included. The guy is talented as hell, but he's lacking one thing...a brass set.) to work that much harder. To aspire for greatness. I don't think there's any doubt as to Rice's work ethic, or his committment to the game. The same cannot be said for the lion's share of the receiver's the Donks have drafted. Lelie is apparently working hard, but his game has huge holes...he's graceful, but he's soft. Watt's looks talented, but after some of his gaffes (mental) during his rookie campaign you have to wonder where his head is at. The great ones don't watch important catches bounce off of, or sail through their hands in multiple games...they find a way to make the play. And that is what Rice in theory brings to the table.

baja

05-24-2005, 03:11 PM

Ten bucks says he dosent beat Luke

I'll take that bet.

clarker

05-24-2005, 03:22 PM

What happened to "Rice has to earn his spot?" Blah!!!Just because he goes into camp as the 4th WR doesn't mean it is a lock that he will end camp at that spot. Every team sets up a depth chart going into camp. DJ Williams went into last year's camp 2nd at his position, I believe but he was a starter by the end of camp.

Rich Karlis

05-24-2005, 03:33 PM

You know you will have at least one big game from him. Monday night against KC. He looked good last year on Monday night against Dallas.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 03:58 PM

Rice will be starting in the slot! Rice is still faster than Biletnikoff at his fastest. ( Both can still beat Clair-Reese running the 40 ) LOL

RhymesayersDU

05-24-2005, 04:02 PM

It's pretty cute that people actually believe Rice won't beat out our scrubs for the 4th spot.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 04:09 PM

It's pretty cute that people actually believe Rice won't beat out our scrubs for the 4th spot.

I think people just want to see their favorite get the starting position. Some time blind homerism just overwhelms logic.

Sassy

05-24-2005, 04:14 PM

I think people just want to see their favorite get the starting position. Some time blind homerism just overwhelms logic.
A 42 year old in Orange & Blue that's been cut twice and who should retire...AND who's been on YOUR TEAM just isn't "logic" to me no matter who he is.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 04:41 PM

A 42 year old in Orange & Blue that's been cut twice and who should retire...AND who's been on YOUR TEAM just isn't "logic" to me no matter who he is.

Nobody cut Rice. Getting cut happens in training camp Rice was Released. Getting cut means you weren't good enough to make the squad.

The fact that he played for the Raiders shouldn't be a factor for you. If Randy Moss leaves Oakland Next year and wants to play for Dungver you'll be the first to jump on the Moss Wagon!

Sassy

05-24-2005, 04:43 PM

Nobody cut Rice. Getting cut happens in training camp Rice was Released. Getting cut means you weren't good enough to make the squad.

The fact that he played for the Raiders shouldn't be a factor for you. If Randy Moss leaves Oakland Next year and wants to play for Dungver you'll be the first to jump on the Moss Wagon!
Cut or Released...Minor detail...just means he wasn't wanted.
Moss...NO WAY...don't get me started. :militia: ::) :cuss:

clarker

05-24-2005, 05:57 PM

Nobody cut Rice. Getting cut happens in training camp Rice was Released. Getting cut means you weren't good enough to make the squad.

The fact that he played for the Raiders shouldn't be a factor for you. If Randy Moss leaves Oakland Next year and wants to play for Dungver you'll be the first to jump on the Moss Wagon!Playing for the Raiders shouldn't be a factor after all Denver signed Tim Brown to an offer in 1994, but Moss being a jack a** should be a factor.

RhymesayersDU

05-24-2005, 06:01 PM

clarker

05-24-2005, 06:12 PM

Yeah, you guys are totally right about Moss. Who would want a WR who is basically un-coverable and scores TD's in bundles?

Man, I'd hate to have a guy like that on the Broncos.

He's way too much of a threat in the red zone too, it's disgusting!

/jerk off motionAll of that is true and it helped the Vikings how many Super Bowls? If you don't get him the ball 2-4 times right away, he quits and whines. He will always put up good stats, but they are not playing fantasy football. You can't depend on Randy Moss when it counts. He will be motivated this year, so he will have a great season, after that the Raiders will find out what the Vikings did, that despite his all his talent he is not worth it.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 06:21 PM

All of that is true and it helped the Vikings how many Super Bowls? If you don't get him the ball 2-4 times right away, he quits and whines. He will always put up good stats, but they are not playing fantasy football. You can't depend on Randy Moss when it counts. He will be motivated this year, so he will have a great season, after that the Raiders will find out what the Vikings did, that despite his all his talent he is not worth it.

And I guess it was Moss's fault that Red McCombs didn't bring in players to help win a championship? You can't count on Moss when it counts... I guess you must be speaking about him walking off the field because when he was on the field. Ole Bellpepper was chucking the ball in his direction regularly and Moss came through.

Bob's your Information Minister

05-24-2005, 06:23 PM

This is just pathetic. Jerry needs to hang it up.

RhymesayersDU

05-24-2005, 06:31 PM

All of that is true and it helped the Vikings how many Super Bowls? If you don't get him the ball 2-4 times right away, he quits and whines. He will always put up good stats, but they are not playing fantasy football. You can't depend on Randy Moss when it counts. He will be motivated this year, so he will have a great season, after that the Raiders will find out what the Vikings did, that despite his all his talent he is not worth it.

It's Randy's fault they don't play defense?

I know this is shocking, but football is a team sport. Besides the QB position, you can't just say "oh they never won a SB." And even at the QB position you gotta look at the guys around him.

clarker

05-24-2005, 06:31 PM

And I guess it was Moss's fault that Red McCombs didn't bring in players to help win a championship? You can't count on Moss when it counts... I guess you must be speaking about him walking off the field because when he was on the field. Ole Bellpepper was chucking the ball in his direction regularly and Moss came through.Being from the mid west I see more than a few Vikings games and his walking off the field was on par for Moss. I know Raider fan would like to believe that having him on the field means that the Raiders should all fit themselves for Rings, but I don't see it. Even if Randy gets 6-8 grabs, 180 or so yards and 2-4 TD's a game, how is that going to help your defense. The Raiders have set themselves up to be the next Chiefs. Score 40, lose by 7.

If you don't force feed Moss early and often in the start of the game, he won't be worth a damn for the rest of the game.

Although your right about McCombs. He was a cheap a**.

Blueflame

05-24-2005, 06:52 PM

It's Randy's fault they don't play defense?

I know this is shocking, but football is a team sport. Besides the QB position, you can't just say "oh they never won a SB." And even at the QB position you gotta look at the guys around him.

Judging by the stats, the Fade didn't play defense in '04 either... and other than the loss of Napoleon Harris and Philip Buchanon, there are few changes defensively for '05.

DB-Freak

05-24-2005, 06:58 PM

Yeah, you guys are totally right about Moss. Who would want a WR who is basically un-coverable and scores TD's in bundles?

Man, I'd hate to have a guy like that on the Broncos.

He's way too much of a threat in the red zone too, it's disgusting!

/jerk off motion
He's not uncoverable. Not even close.

He isn't that great.

I know it was a hyperbole but not even close.

clarker

05-24-2005, 07:05 PM

Judging by the stats, the Fade didn't play defense in '04 either... and other than the loss of Napoleon Harris and Philip Buchanon, there are few changes defensively for '05.Raider fan will come back with the score from the Snow game last year. Even though all that proved was the Broncos defense had a horrible night. Jake and company ripped them apart as the did when the spanked them in Oakland.

The Raiders are going by the tried and true Chief Super Bowl Blue Print, score 40, lose by 7.

FADERPROOF

05-24-2005, 07:11 PM

Raider fan will come back with the score from the Snow game last year. Even though all that proved was the Broncos defense had a horrible night. Jake and company ripped them apart as the did when the spanked them in Oakland.

The Raiders are going by the tried and true Chief Super Bowl Blue Print, score 40, lose by 7.

Raider fans are also going by the tried and true excuses that Chiefs fans used last year.

Chiefs last year had a ****ty defense, didn't sign anybody, but did get Gunther Cunningham, so all we heard from Chief fans were "We got Gunther, GRob is gone, our D will be better!"

Now Raiders have a ****ty defense, hasn't sign anybody, and all Raider fans say now is "We're switching to back to a 4-3, our D will be better!"

Blueflame

05-24-2005, 07:16 PM

Raider fan will come back with the score from the Snow game last year. Even though all that proved was the Broncos defense had a horrible night. Jake and company ripped them apart as the did when the spanked them in Oakland.

The Raiders are going by the tried and true Chief Super Bowl Blue Print, score 40, lose by 7.

Yes, to hear Fadefans brag, one would expect that win to have been by 2+ scores at the very least. I suppose if we'd only won once before in a decade in any given city, we might be ecstatic about a 1-point win in that city, too. The fact is, they got lucky. Jason's got the last-minute game-winning FG against the Fade almost down to a fine art. ;D

Maximus

05-24-2005, 07:21 PM

Judging by the stats, the Fade didn't play defense in '04 either... and other than the loss of Napoleon Harris and Philip Buchanon, there are few changes defensively for '05.

:bs: We filled our LB, CB & DE spots and we're going to a base 4-3 defense. Changing to a 4-3 is the major difference. You don't bring in Warren Sapp, Bobby Hamilton and Ted Washington just to play them out of position. Sapp played his entire career over a guard then, he comes into Oakland and is asked to play in a scheme where he routinely had to take on tackles or got doubled.

Everyone except Rob Ryan knew we didn't have the LB corps to play the 3-4 but, it was still shoved down the players throats. Argue it anyway you want Blue the bottom line is we have the talent on the front 4 the LB position was the question and we have addressed it through the Draft & Free Agency.

FADERPROOF

05-24-2005, 07:23 PM

Changing to a 4-3 is the major difference.

Told you so...

RhymesayersDU

05-24-2005, 07:32 PM

Judging by the stats, the Fade didn't play defense in '04 either... and other than the loss of Napoleon Harris and Philip Buchanon, there are few changes defensively for '05.

Very true. But this thread isn't about how good or bad the Fade is, it's about how good Randy Moss is.

Well actually it's about Jerry Rice... But... well yeah.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 07:36 PM

Raider fans are also going by the tried and true excuses that Chiefs fans used last year.

Chiefs last year had a ****ty defense, didn't sign anybody, but did get Gunther Cunningham, so all we heard from Chief fans were "We got Gunther, GRob is gone, our D will be better!"

Now Raiders have a ****ty defense, hasn't sign anybody, and all Raider fans say now is "We're switching to back to a 4-3, our D will be better!"

We all know that this is the rally cry for you donkey fans. The difference is the chiefs didn't have any talent on their dline the Raiders do so, there was no reason for us to play a 3-4 defense.

You donk fans can be ignorant and ignore the facts... that's par for the course. Spin it anyway you want. We replaced a mediocre LB with a LB that averaged over 100 tackles per year until last season. We replaced Buchanon with Renaldo Hill who is a solid corner. Namdi Asomugha steadily improved at CB last season and we drafted a couple of CB's. We brought in an extra Defensive end to supplement what we already have.

According to you dummys we need to replace the whole defense. Or maybe we should call the Browns and pickup all their castoffs so we can start pounding our chests like we did something?

When you have Ted Washington, Bobby Hamilton, Warren Sapp & Tommy Kelly / Tyler Brayton you don't have to make wholesale changes. The first 3 deserve that on reputation alone.

what you have here is a major case of :bs: you don't even know who we brought in... We more than addressed the defense but 1 more lb would be great.

Bronco9798

05-24-2005, 07:41 PM

When you have Ted Washington, Bobby Hamilton, Warren Sapp & Tommy Kelly / Tyler Brayton you don't have to make wholesale changes. The first 3 deserve that on reputation alone.

Dude, you don't win football games based on reputation. I can't believe you posted that there. Washington, Sapp, Hamilton, Kelly. I needed a good laugh, thanks man. That was all I needed right there to feel good about playing the Raiders this year. Now, go back find some more names and post up there, I need to laugh at your stupid ass one more time.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 07:45 PM

Dude, you don't win football games based on reputation. I can't believe you posted that there. Washington, Sapp, Hamilton, Kelly. I needed a good laugh, thanks man. That was all I needed right there to feel good about playing the Raiders this year. Now, go back find some more names and post up there, I need to laugh at your stupid ass one more time.

Too fugging dumb to understand the concept... I won't waste my time on you. You're not worthy!

Bronco9798

05-24-2005, 07:47 PM

Too fugging dumb to understand the concept... I won't waste my time on you. You're not worthy!

Your post had no concept. Just typical BS from a typical Raider fan. That D should be real friggin scary this year. What a Joke..........

Mtbrncofn

05-24-2005, 07:56 PM

Retire. Please. Have some dignity, man.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:01 PM

Dude, you don't win football games based on reputation.

You don't win playoff games based on it either ask Ratboy!
6 years and counting!!

I'm a master at this shiat! Don't let your reputation dots get you into a battle you can't win!

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:03 PM

Retire. Please. Have some dignity, man.

Why should he retire? Because of his age?? If he produces what's the problem. He still runs pretty good and his hands are un-questioned. Rice still gets open!

Blueflame

05-24-2005, 08:05 PM

:bs: We filled our LB, CB & DE spots and we're going to a base 4-3 defense. Changing to a 4-3 is the major difference. You don't bring in Warren Sapp, Bobby Hamilton and Ted Washington just to play them out of position. Sapp played his entire career over a guard then, he comes into Oakland and is asked to play in a scheme where he routinely had to take on tackles or got doubled.

Everyone except Rob Ryan knew we didn't have the LB corps to play the 3-4 but, it was still shoved down the players throats. Argue it anyway you want Blue the bottom line is we have the talent on the front 4 the LB position was the question and we have addressed it through the Draft & Free Agency.

Your D-line wasn't the question, although Sapp is clearly no longer in his prime. The 4-3 makes sense with your personnel... meaning no recognizable names at LB, despite your "having addressed it" via the draft and free agency.

Bronco9798

05-24-2005, 08:05 PM

You don't win playoff games based on it either ask Ratboy!
6 years and counting!!

I'm a master at this shiat! Don't let your reputation dots get you into a battle you can't win!

I don't need a few dots to win a battle.

I made my point..... 4321~

Mtbrncofn

05-24-2005, 08:05 PM

Why are you pimpin him so hard, Max..specially if he wants to come play for us?

Yeah, he still produces...barely. :pity:

clarker

05-24-2005, 08:08 PM

We all know that this is the rally cry for you donkey fans. The difference is the chiefs didn't have any talent on their dline the Raiders do so, there was no reason for us to play a 3-4 defense.

You donk fans can be ignorant and ignore the facts... that's par for the course. Spin it anyway you want. We replaced a mediocre LB with a LB that averaged over 100 tackles per year until last season. We replaced Buchanon with Renaldo Hill who is a solid corner. Namdi Asomugha steadily improved at CB last season and we drafted a couple of CB's. We brought in an extra Defensive end to supplement what we already have.

According to you dummys we need to replace the whole defense. Or maybe we should call the Browns and pickup all their castoffs so we can start pounding our chests like we did something?

When you have Ted Washington, Bobby Hamilton, Warren Sapp & Tommy Kelly / Tyler Brayton you don't have to make wholesale changes. The first 3 deserve that on reputation alone.

what you have here is a major case of :bs: you don't even know who we brought in... We more than addressed the defense but 1 more lb would be great.Didn't you have Ted and Warren last year and didn't your run defense suck anyway?

It is not just Broncos fans saying, that fat a** old Raider OT, Kennedy said the same thing on the NFL Total Access when the whole Randy Moss trade happened.

When your whole defense is next to last in almost every category, your not one or two players from having the Steel Curtian.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:13 PM

Why are you pimpin him so hard, Max..specially if he wants to come play for us?

Yeah, he still produces...barely. :pity:

Here's the deal. IMHO Jerry Rice is good enough to start for the donks as a slot WR. He runs his routes good enough to get open. The only thing that people are looking at is his age. I think that he should be given the opportunity to make the squad. It is his career and we shouldn't cast judgement on him based on our feelings about age. If the Raiders weren't going back to playing long ball Rice would still be playing for us. The donkeys play a west coast type of game and Rice is still able to run the short to intermediate routes.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:17 PM

Didn't you have Ted and Warren last year and didn't your run defense suck anyway?

It is not just Broncos fans saying, that fat a** old Raider OT, Kennedy said the same thing on the NFL Total Access when the whole Randy Moss trade happened.

When your whole defense is next to last in almost every category, your not one or two players from having the Steel Curtian.

Yes, we did have them and yes our run defense sucked. The reason for it wasn't our front line it was the LB's who didn't take advantage of Washington Sapp & Hamilton tying up offensive linemen. The only LB that was consistent was Danny Clark the rest were injured or inexperienced.

clarker

05-24-2005, 08:18 PM

Here's the deal. IMHO Jerry Rice is good enough to start for the donks as a slot WR. He runs his routes good enough to get open. The only thing that people are looking at is his age. I think that he should be given the opportunity to make the squad. It is his career and we shouldn't cast judgement on him based on our feelings about age. If the Raiders weren't going back to playing long ball Rice would still be playing for us. The donkeys play a west coast type of game and Rice is still able to run the short to intermediate routes.Max, if you look at the good rep I gave you for this post, the message should have said that you should be Rice's agent.

clarker

05-24-2005, 08:21 PM

Yes, we did have them and yes our run defense sucked. The reason for it wasn't our front line it was the LB's who didn't take advantage of Washington Sapp & Hamilton tying up offensive linemen. The only LB that was consistent was Danny Clark the rest were injured or inexperienced.I don't know if you can blame it all on the LB's although I'm sure it didn't help. I remember the game in Oakland vs Denver and it seemed to me that Sapp and Ted were getting pushed around. It is hard to tell on TV sometimes, though.

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:29 PM

Max, if you look at the good rep I gave you for this post, the message should have said that you should be Rice's agent.

LOL I did sound like an agent LOL

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:33 PM

I don't know if you can blame it all on the LB's although I'm sure it didn't help. I remember the game in Oakland vs Denver and it seemed to me that Sapp and Ted were getting pushed around. It is hard to tell on TV sometimes, though.

In that game they did get pushed around. We were on our heels and never really got on track. Most games weren't like that though. There were many factors that contributed to the terrible play. Our offense didn't control the ball which lead to fatigue etc...

baja

05-24-2005, 08:35 PM

Here's the deal. IMHO Jerry Rice is good enough to start for the donks as a slot WR. He runs his routes good enough to get open. The only thing that people are looking at is his age. I think that he should be given the opportunity to make the squad. It is his career and we shouldn't cast judgement on him based on our feelings about age. If the Raiders weren't going back to playing long ball Rice would still be playing for us. The donkeys play a west coast type of game and Rice is still able to run the short to intermediate routes.

Ms. Max what is your prediction on the Raiders record this season

Maximus

05-24-2005, 08:38 PM

It's Mr. to you donkey!

9-7 or 10-6

baja

05-24-2005, 08:41 PM

It's Mr. to you donkey!

9-7 or 10-6

which ten games do you expect to win

clarker

05-24-2005, 08:50 PM

In that game they did get pushed around. We were on our heels and never really got on track. Most games weren't like that though. There were many factors that contributed to the terrible play. Our offense didn't control the ball which lead to fatigue etc...I have to be fair and take your word for it because I didn't see many Raider games last year, but from what I saw in the highlights and the games I did see, I wasn't impressed with their defense.

But as I said, to be fair I only saw about 2-3 more Raider games besides the two with Denver.

How long to you think it will take those LB's to jell as a unit. I know in Denver they are pimping the trio of linebackers that we have, but I think it will take at least, 4-5 weeks into the season for them to get on the same page, with Spragen(sp?) splitting, Gold comming back and DJ Williams switching sides.