How are you going to cover this????? What sup champ?

[Tha rock]

Moss is ready? are you?
mosshttp://www.purpledawgs.com/video_clips.htm
http://randymossonline.com/04videos.htm

[SoCalBronco]

yawn.

[Tha rock]

Ok how about this one!!mosshttp://www.purpledawgs.com/video_clips.htm

[Needa Pass Rush]

Moss will be on Injured Reserve with a severe concussion and lacerated spleen after week #10.

[Tha rock]

Dont think so he can take a hit did you not go to the link!!

[Spider]

dollar Bill vs Moss .......... Dollar bill wins , you can get 4 quarters out of a dollar ......

[Spider]

Hilarious!

[Spider]

http://www.mugshots.net/randy_moss/randy_moss.jpg

[Spider]

Jeez The Rock ........ those are damn funny son ........ go ahead laugh I wont tell Randy .....

[Kaylore]

Am I the only person that kind of knew that Moss would go to the Faid, and it now seems things are in their proper order?

[sirhcyennek81]

4 qtrs from the dollar...HA HA HA....

[baja]

4 qtrs from the dollar...HA HA HA....

You also get 20 nickel backs

[Rigs11]

Moss better watch out for Lynch coming across the middle.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Moss better watch out for Lynch coming across the middle.

Only problem is, Moss is too afraid to go across the middle. Moss has one pass play, go long, that way he can't get hurt. Wait a minute how does that work, he always gets hurt not going across the middle.

[DBroncos4life]

My guess is with a parking metermaid.

[RhymesayersDU]

Am I the only person that kind of knew that Moss would go to the Faid, and it now seems things are in their proper order?

People say that fans identify with certain players on their favorite teams. For example, drunken mock identified with Brian Griese. However, it's the other way around this time.

It's sad that Randy "The Felon" Moss actually identifies with his new fans.

[yavoon]

Only problem is, Moss is too afraid to go across the middle. Moss has one pass play, go long, that way he can't get hurt. Wait a minute how does that work, he always gets hurt not going across the middle.

moss has been injured once in his entire career, get better smack.

[Rigs11]

moss has been injured once in his entire career, get better smack.

Yeah but he plays in the AFC West now. Wait till he comes to denver.

[Crow]

You're right. There were actually defenses in the NFC that could contain him. Being in the AFC West should be a cakewalk.

You also get 20 nickel backs

Ah yes. But you'll need all 20 of those nicklebacks to cover Moss.


All bull**** aside, Moss vs Bailey twice a year is going to be a damn lot of fun.

[RhymesayersDU]

All bull**** aside, Moss vs Bailey twice a year is going to be a damn lot of fun.

Something I think we can all agree on, Raiders vs. Broncos might officially be back... I mean, the hatred has always been there, and will always be there... But Chiefs/Broncos has been #1 the past years, at least for us.

[Broncos4Life]

Are you ****ing kidding me. This ain't no vidoe game son. Shut the **** up. Champ is the real deal.

[Broncos4Life]

theres probly going to be a saftey ready to take that mutha ****ers head off too. Hes gonna get Lynched!

[Ray Finkle]

http://www.mugshots.net/randy_moss/randy_moss.jpg


LOL...viva la spider!

[Tha rock]

Are you ****ing kidding me. This ain't no vidoe game son. Shut the **** up. Champ is the real deal.


Yo, thats why your boy was getting dicked by porter last season.

[Tha rock]

theres probly going to be a saftey ready to take that mutha ****ers head off too. Hes gonna get Lynched!



If he can take a hit by big play ray lewis he'll **** on lynch!!!

[Smilin Assassin]

http://www.mugshots.net/randy_moss/randy_moss.jpg


I never noticed how much Randy looks like Rudy Huxtable before.

Nice.

[broncogary]

We'll just let mock's cat cover him--with sand! ROFL!

[Florida_Bronco]

Yo, thats why your boy was getting dicked by porter last season.

More ebonic crap from a Fader fan LOL

[Tha rock]

More ebonic crap that tells the truth about champ!!

[Florida_Bronco]

More ebonic crap that tells the truth about champ!!

:loopy:

[Rock Chalk]

I saw the title of this thread, read the whole thing, and knew pretty much from the beginning how it was going to go, all the way through the obligatory smack from Spider, picture included of [insert raider] mug shot, and the incessant dribble of one of our newest trolls.

Its good that things are predictable and quaint.

[Crow]

Alec, whatever it is you're saying, just keep posting. Angelina. Yum.

Something I think we can all agree on, Raiders vs. Broncos might officially be back... I mean, the hatred has always been there, and will always be there... But Chiefs/Broncos has been #1 the past years, at least for us.

Speaking of the Chiefs, I think maybe you guys could get a small bit of amusement from this clip.

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05QLJ63LUSU1S0I6BGGS27PZQH

[Tha rock]

Nice post crow who would anyone rather have chamber and booker of miami or Porter and curry, by the way crow nice post :thumbs:

[Arkie]

Moss will give us 4 quarters. Champ better be at his best. They will both be up for these games. I expect an individual rivalry to develop. Moss will take his 3 quarters off against the Titans.

[Tha rock]

What titans are you speaking of? The team?

[Broncos4Life]

Yo, thats why your boy was getting dicked by porter last season.


Thats a great way to put it. "Getting dicked". Did you see the first game in chokeland last year dushe bag? Apparently he wasn't "dicking" anybody on our secondary. And for the record it was the scheme and a safety, not Champ that blew the coverages. Ever heard of Cover 2? The CB doesn't follow his man down field dip ****.

Here pick this up to expand your knowledge some:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hitrunscore/827008776337-coaches-choice-football-videos.html

[Arkie]

What titans are you speaking of? The team?

Yeah, or some other sorry ass team. Moss said so himself, he plays when he wants to.

[Tha rock]

Champ was on him and he got dicked thats all there was to it and if he was getting help from the safety he would have still made that catch.

[Crow]

What titans are you speaking of? The team?

LOL :thumbs:

[Tha rock]

Hey crow can you refresh the link with porter?

[Spider]

Thats a great way to put it. "Getting dicked". Did you see the first game in chokeland last year dushe bag? Apparently he wasn't "dicking" anybody on our secondary. And for the record it was the scheme and a safety, not Champ that blew the coverages. Ever heard of Cover 2? The CB doesn't follow his man down field dip ****.

Here pick this up to expand your knowledge some:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hitrunscore/827008776337-coaches-choice-football-videos.html
LOL ... expecting Raider Fan to understand terms like cover 2 ...... All Raider fan understands is we got so and so the greatest ever and you guys suck ... anything beyond that Raider fan gets lost ;D

[LifersRaiders]

http://www.raiders.com/images/multimedia/2005-curry-wp-800.jpg

Here's an excellent shot of a couple of hapless Donko defenders with their cranks in their hands wondering WTF?!?

[Spider]

Whats so funny is despite that Catch it still took Watts to drop a pass in the endzone for the Raiders to win by 1 point Hilarious! ..........

[Raider Bill]

http://www.raiders.com/images/multimedia/2005-curry-wp-800.jpg




That was a hell of a catch. One of the best I've ever seen.


I'm not going to bag on Bailey. Like Woodson he's asked to cover a lot of ground with no help. That snow actually worked in our favor IMO. It negated a lot of that chop block cutback play because of the poor footing and worked in our lard assed DL's favor.

[LifersRaiders]

Whats so funny is despite that Catch it still took Watts to drop a pass in the endzone for the Raiders to win by 1 point Hilarious! ..........So, what you're saying is Denver really won that game even though they were out scored by Oakland?

[Spider]

That was a hell of a catch. One of the best I've ever seen.


I'm not going to bag on Bailey. Like Woodson he's asked to cover a lot of ground with no help. That snow actually worked in our favor IMO. It negated a lot of that chop block cutback play because of the poor footing and worked in our lard assed DL's favor.
you're despicable making me give you a pos Rep ....... ;D dont make a habit of it

[Spider]

So, what you're saying is Denver really won that game even though they were out scored by Oakland?
Problem with Raider fan , comprehension , what I am saying is despite the great catch all it would have took was an Average catch by a rook to win the game ..... Pay attention already

[Raider Bill]

Don't get me wrong, I'll take the win at Invesco, but that snow actually worked to your guys disadvantage. It negated the cutback play and Carswell was just motioning to the hole they were going to run. Marques Anderson was up in whatever hole Carswell motioned to the entire game.

Since you were unable to get Washington and company moving laterally, there were no cutback seams. They were able to hold the point and clog the running lanes.

Odd thing though, the snow worked to the warm weather team's advantage.

[Spider]

Don't get me wrong, I'll take the win at Invesco, but that snow actually worked to your guys disadvantage. It negated the cutback play and Carswell was just motioning to the hole they were going to run. Marques Anderson was up in whatever hole Carswell motioned to the entire game.

Since you were unable to get Washington and company moving laterally, there were no cutback seams. They were able to hold the point and clog the running lanes.
Well I also think the 3-4 Raiders run had a big hand in it ... add the snow and your Backers and Safties had free shots , the 3-4 is a WCO killer to begin with, and like you said Carswell was just tipping our hand ....... Cover 2 D was a good idea , but Al Wilson had to drop deeper ....

[Spider]

Odd thing though, the snow worked to the warm weather team's advantage.
Warm weather team ? maybe , but the snow helped the Bigger team thats for sure ......

[Arkie]

Snow being the great equalizer, definitely helped the lesser team. The first game in Oakland is a more accurate assesment of our teams.

[Odysseus]

1. Smack Kerry Collins in the mouth. He's not Daunte Culpepper. He's not Rich Gannon. He's not even Trent Green. He's a guy who likes to throw hard and counts on his recievers to make plays. The DL gets off the snap, kills the lanes and forces him to find his second read.

Downside: The Raiders OL didn't get worst in the off season.
Upside: The Raiders are beatable on the line but you have to whip them up 4 quarters. They aren't going to lay down.

2. Take away the long game: Collins doesn't like the short passing game. If the DL takes away his timing he'll have to snipe his way down field or run the ball. IF the DL get the push we can throw some blitz packages just to annoy Collins.

Downside: Raiders love the long ball and will do anything to set this up. Watch for TE packages, swing passes or key plays designed to pull the DB off point. Norv doesn't throw a lot of garbage plays so you have to focus on good basic football.
Upside: The Raiders can be game planned but you can't leave anything on the table or they'll find it.

3. Show up with a meat grinding offense. If the Broncos run the ball all day on this team's defense sooner or later our defense will get the critical stop. We put up 3, 7, 3 and pretty soon in Collins mind he has to air the ball out. Got him! If the Broncos offense goes three and out or just slams up fast points on the board they'll leave the defense on the field too long.

Downside: Broncos red zone sucks.
Upside: Special teams is going to be a huge factor in forcing teams to play the whole field. Even if the offense doesn't dramatically improve if it gives the defense a couple of shots a "kill plays" it could be enough.

4. Don't give this team ANYTHING. Broncos underestimated the Raiders and it cost them. The Broncos didn't get beat by snow. They got beat by arrogance. They didn't think the Raiders were going to put the ball up and they game planned stupid. You can't have players out of position and win anything. This team needs to sweep the Raiders next year if for nothing else to welcome Randy Moss to the AFCW.

Downside: None
Upside: Long live the sweep!

EDIT: Not sure how they could have game planned them better last year given the DL woes the Broncos had....I repeat...HAD.

[Raider Bill]

Snow being the great equalizer, definitely helped the lesser team. The first game in Oakland is a more accurate assesment of our teams.


I wouldnt go that far, our entire offense last year consisted of

Porter (who had never been higher than the #3 reciever)

Curry (a 7th round pick (converted QB) who had only found a position the year prior and was starting in the NFL for the first time.)

Gabriel (a 5th round pick also making his first career starts)

All with the backup quarterback throwing to them.

They improved as the season wore on. In the early part of the season they were HORRIBLE at getting open when faced with zone coverage, and needed to build up a rapport with Collins.

[Odysseus]

They improved as the season wore on. In the early part of the season they were HORRIBLE at getting open when faced with zone coverage, and needed to build up a rapport with Collins.

Do you think Collins proved to be consistent towards the end of the season? Do you think he will be improved next year?

[Raider Bill]

Do you think Collins proved to be consistent towards the end of the season? Do you think he will be improved next year?

Collins played better as the season wore on. He got more comfortable with the recievers and vice versa


I'm not expecting a Gannon like TD/Interception ratio for this season but I figure he can do much better than the 1/1 ratio he put up last season, somwhere between 2/1 and 3/1 chucking the ball to Moss.

Noone wants to cut Collins any slack, but often will throw out the "3 years for a rookie reciever to develop" line. Gabriel and Curry for all intents and purposes were 2nd year players, as Curry had only started working at WR in Callahans final season. Before that he was working at Safety and Kick returner. Couple that with a weak running game and most QB's would have had problems.

I could also trot out the list of bad QB's that looked good once they were hoisting the ball up to Moss, some of that will figure into it too. Collins was only ever as good as his supporting cast. His supporting cast figures to be pretty good so I suspect he'll put up pretty good numbers. .

[watermock]

I will explain this one last time.

Moss has a chronic ankle, that is why he takes plays off.

He also carries a 10 million dollar cap hit.

He is a backstabbing prick that will turn on anything in his own egofest.

Have fun. I watched his escapaded in Minnesota for several years. He can catch 90 for 1200 but is a loser.

[Raider Bill]

I will explain this one last time.

Moss has a chronic ankle, that is why he takes plays off.

I'll defer to the Raiders medical staff on that one over some drunken farmer.

He also carries a 10 million dollar cap hit.

Uh..no. Minnesota ate his signing bonus when they traded him. We're only on the hook for his base salary.

He is a backstabbing prick that will turn on anything in his own egofest.

Read the SI cover story on him. He's pissed that he got traded for a player he never even heard of. He's been working out for 4 plus hours daily and Oaklands trainers were thrilled with his level of conditioning at the recent mini camp.

Have fun. I watched his escapaded in Minnesota for several years. He can catch 90 for 1200 but is a loser.

Mock, it's not like they have Vince Lombardi running that squad...it's Mike Friggin TICE. The guy has to be the worst head coach in the league. Not to mention the ownership. That team is run like a flea market.

[Raider Bill]

Oakland only has 3 standing rules that Madden came up with.

1. Be on time

2. Pay attention

3. Play like hell when I tell you to

[Odysseus]

Collins played better as the season wore on. He got more comfortable with the recievers and vice versa

I'm not expecting a Gannon like TD/Interception ratio for this season but I figure he can do much better than the 1/1 ratio he put up last season, somwhere between 2/1 and 3/1 chucking the ball to Moss.

Noone wants to cut Collins any slack, but often will throw out the "3 years for a rookie reciever to develop" line. Gabriel and Curry for all intents and purposes were 2nd year players, as Curry had only started working at WR in Callahans final season. Before that he was working at Safety and Kick returner. Couple that with a weak running game and most QB's would have had problems.

I could also trot out the list of bad QB's that looked good once they were hoisting the ball up to Moss, some of that will figure into it too. Collins was only ever as good as his supporting cast. His supporting cast figures to be pretty good so I suspect he'll put up pretty good numbers. .

Congratulations on 2,000 posts by the way. I like your takes on football.

Gabriel and Curry are scary in their own right. All the talk about Moss leaves out the fact that Raiders are DEEP at WR. Porter can be a key to the Raiders offense as much as Randy. I wonder which defense will set up best against them? How do you think they will fair against Chargers? Chiefs? Do you see the Raider TE's being a factor in the offense?

Raiders defense is switching from 3-4 to 4-3. Do you see any improvements with that? I know it will be an improvement from guys getting beat out of position all game but how much is hard to say.

[Raider Bill]

Congratulations on 2,000 posts by the way. I like your takes on football.

Gabriel and Curry are scary in their own right. All the talk about Moss leaves out the fact that Raiders are DEEP at WR. Porter can be a key to the Raiders offense as much as Randy. I wonder which defense will set up best against them? How do you think they will fair against Chargers? Chiefs? Do you see the Raider TE's being a factor in the offense?.

I won't lie to ya, the WR's look nice. It was hard to get a handle on whether Porter was ever going to be THE guy as he kept getting hurt. As a #2 guy he's about as good as it gets though. I'm cautiously optimistic that the addition of Moss will open it up for everyone else, including Lamont Jordan, with some of the ridiculous coverages he draws.

As far as defending this thing, who knows. Id probably go man under or man free as you're definately going to need some deep help on any given play. Mix up some quarters in there and try to slow them down and get some stops.

As far as the Chargers, their Achilles heel is pass defense, but Oaklands Achillies heel seems to be LT2 these days. I'll be satisified with a split in some form. As far as KC, I like our chances a little bit in the home game as it's pretty early and that D should be still going through their learning curve with all the new personel.

If history is any guide, Turner likes to throw it to the TE. Courtney Anderson was coming into his own a little bit there last season before getting injured. Teyo Johnson is a decent reciever in his own right, I think some balls will get thrown their way. With Konrads retirement we're now needing a FB again though.


Raiders defense is switching from 3-4 to 4-3. Do you see any improvements with that? I know it will be an improvement from guys getting beat out of position all game but how much is hard to say.


Who knows, in the recent mini camps they were still screwing around with the 3-4 and Brayton playing OLB and looking quite a bit leaner. From what we can figure in other boards is they are going to run their 3-4 as a 2 down defense using the OLB's almost like stack ends essentially running a 5-2 stack and allowing Foreman and Clark to run to the ball while the other 5 tie up blockers. Similar to how Baltimore did it with Boulware and Suggs.

It also looks like Burgess is only going to play in 4 man fronts, subbing in for a ILB.

The middle of the defense figures to be pretty stout with the addition of a couple of young wide bodies, Kenny Smith, Antaj Hawthorne, plus the continued development of Tommy Kelly. Clark, Foreman, and Morrison is a decent MLB/ILB group. They are sorely lacking the stud edge player on the perimeter IMO in either the 3-4 or the 4-3.

The talent overall is somewhat improved, but a lot of these guys can only do one thing well. For Ryan to mount a somewhat effective defense is going to require a ton of substitution depending on down and distance. I'm not expecting miracles but the situation isn't as dire as some would lead you to believe. I was re watching some games from last year and we were solid on first and 2nd down. 3rd down killed us mainly due to Ray Buchanon's horrible play at FS. Schweigert looked much better when he played and he figures to be the starter. We did also battle a ton of injuries as the season wore on and our last ranked rushing game/time of possession on offense did little to bail the defense out and they subsequently got gassed.

[Raider Bill]

Here's a little snippet from CNNSI about the DL. They are being quite cryptic to what they are doing, but Burgess is in no way a 3-4 end at 265lbs. These quotes seem to indicate more 4-3, but they spent most of the mini camp fooling around with that 3-4. Long story short, we'll have to wait until at least the preseason to see what's going on.

One other possibility is they are trying to throw NE off the scent as to what they are doing. Who the hell knows?





The crowd the Raiders have collected on the defensive line has raised questions about who will line up where once the revamped defense takes the field in July.

Warren Sapp was the right end last year but the team has brought in free agent Derrick Burgess from Philadelphia. Although Burgess has played the left side primarily, it was his performance at right end that intrigued the Raiders. Bobby Hamilton was recently re-signed and is the incumbent left end.

There has been considerable speculation Sapp will be asked to play inside more frequently, which hints that the Raiders will play more 4-3 defense, thus permitting Sapp to get more work as the undertackle.

As for Burgess, coach Norv Turner said "he will play both sides. He is very comfortable on the left side. He played on the right last year and played real well. He's a guy I think can give us some matchups."

[Odysseus]

Frigging Norv is trying to cheat fate. He knows bread and butter football is going to get him further than what he's doing. The defense can be greatly improved by playing smarter.

I think the Chiefs want to tee off on the Raiders and prove they have a real defense. That doesn't mean they will be world beaters but if I was Gun I'd circle Raiders on my calender and make a statement around the league. I look for that game to be some good football.

I looked it up. San Diego was dead last in passing defense. That and they have one of the worst turnover ratios in the league. That is BAD.

Denver was rated 6th in passing defense last year and that was without a DL. I'm anticipating the stronger DL to bolster our options. The Broncos got nothing when it comes to turnovers so teams basically can tee off on our cornerback unimpeded. If they fix that then the games will provide a lot better football and a better Bronco result.

[Tha rock]

Collins will be a good Qb this yeare he will not throw as much ints we have a running game now. How do you guys like the aviatar.