Clarett speaks: "Ive finally got some guys i can call my teammates"

[SoCalBronco]

DENVER -- Maurice Clarett walked into the media room wearing his No. 20 Broncos jersey and a huge smile that stayed on his face for several minutes.


Think he isn't thrilled to be playing football again? After two years of courtrooms, scrutiny and inactivity, it's hard to blame him.


"It's cool. It's fun to be back out here running around with my teammates -- I've finally got some guys I can call my teammates," Clarett said Friday after four days of minicamp with his new team. "I'm having fun, I'm enjoying myself."


That wasn't the case the past two years.


A player with a seemingly bright future after leading Ohio State to the 2002 national title as a freshman, Clarett instead found himself in the middle of scandal.


It started when he was suspended by Ohio State for the 2003 season after accepting improper benefits and lying to investigators. Clarett then sued the NFL over its rule that a player must be out of high school for three years before becoming eligible for the draft.


That led to another year off the football field and plenty of time in court, with the U.S. Supreme Court eventually deciding not to reverse an appeals court's decision to declare him ineligible for the draft.


Clarett didn't stay quiet in his year away, though, and took a shot at his alma mater. He said Ohio State coach Jim Tressel helped him earn passing grades and arranged cars and money for nonexistent summer jobs.


Then there were his pre-draft workouts. Clarett had two miserable times in the 40-yard run at the NFL combine and quit before the workout was over. He improved the time a few weeks later, but the labels were already in place: overweight, slow and a quitter.


Of course, that wasn't enough to dissuade Denver. The Broncos pulled the surprise of the draft, taking the troubled running back in the third round -- 101st overall -- with the hope of creating another 1,000-yard runner out of what other teams considered average talent.


"Watching him play his freshman year, I thought if he would continue to play the next two years here would have been a top-10 pick, maybe a top-15 pick. He has that kind of ability," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "Now the big question is, what can he do after being out of football for two years? I can't answer that question, but what I can tell you is that he's been working his rear end off since he's been here."


There's still a long ways to go.


Clarett spent the week trying to shake off two years' worth of rust, adjusting to Denver's altitude and keeping up with the pace and sophistication of the NFL.


Then there's the scrutiny. Shanahan asked Clarett and the rest of the rookies to hold off talking to the media until late in the week so their concentration would be on the field and in the meeting rooms.


Of course, with everything Clarett's been through, the media and the fans aren't the only ones intrigued about what the rookie can do.


"Everybody was interested, especially the defenders and other players watching what could I do and after two years what was going on," Clarett said. "But after we ran a couple plays and we talked to each other and I communicated with them in the weight room, they don't even look at me like what went on. It's kind of like you're a part of the group right now, either help us or move on."


As far as his beef with his alma mater, Clarett has put that in his past as well.


Ohio State was reprimanded by the NCAA this week for nine violations, but only one involved the football team. None of it involved Clarett nor his accusations.


"I don't even know what's going on," he said. "My memories of Ohio State is that we won the national championship and that was that. I love Ohio State and I'll always be a fan of them. I wish Ohio State all the luck in the world and I wish that they get through these problems they do have because I'll always be a fan, I'll consider myself from being from Ohio State."

[RhymesayersDU]

Clarett and Putz will be the new 1-2 punch to rock the NFL.

"Belee Dat!"

[FADERPROOF]

You had guys in 2002 that you could call teammates also, until you ****ed us over!

[SoCalBronco]

You had guys in 2002 that you could call teammates also, until you ****ed us over!

I dont think he was referring to that DF. Prolly referring to no teammates for 2 years. As you can see from the last few paragraphs of the article he is trying to extend an olive branch to you.

[-Slap-]

He's got Louis Wright's old number. Hope he does it proud.

[FADERPROOF]

I dont think he was referring to that DF. Prolly referring to no teammates for 2 years. As you can see from the last few paragraphs of the article he is trying to extend an olive branch to you.

He can stick his olive branch up his 3rd orifice for all I care, those 2 guys in my avatar would've gladly called Maurice a teammate last season had he stayed with us, probably would've won more than 8 games(barring Maurice lashing out at Snyder and Tressel for giving Ted Ginn the ball from time to time.)

He had teammates in 2002, and his choice was to not have any for the next 2 years, so I'm not apathetic to him "finally" having these teammates that he needs so badly.

[Taco John]

He's also got people he can call his fans...


Go Mo!

[Rock Chalk]

You had guys in 2002 that you could call teammates also, until you ****ed us over!

Cry some more.

Clarett brought your team a national title and you hate him.

Now that, sir, is the very definition of a bad fan.

[TotallyScrewed]

Nice article, good to hear Shanny praising his efforts so far as a Bronco. It's one thing to talk a big game about how you're going to play this year and quite another to have the HC laud your efforts.

No tough questions, no dumb answers.

[FADERPROOF]

Cry some more.

Clarett brought your team a national title and you hate him.

Now that, sir, is the very definition of a bad fan.

You don't follow college football, so I'm not going to get into it with you.

You can try baiting all you want, but you don't know the circumstances so you're not worth my time.

[Garcia Bronco]

What's funny is...this guy is getting more press than the first overall pick.

[Rock Chalk]

You don't follow college football, so I'm not going to get into it with you.

You can try baiting all you want, but you don't know the circumstances so you're not worth my time.

Moron, I know the circumstances. I saw the game, I watched MoC bring it and OSU doesnt win that game without him.

I know what happened after and prior. I know his troubles with suing the NFL.

So I dont watch College football, doesnt make me uneducated on MoC bringing OSU a national title.

Dont get into it with me. Id rather not talk to a pissed off, bitter little kid anyway.

[FADERPROOF]

Moron, I know the circumstances. I saw the game, I watched MoC bring it and OSU doesnt win that game without him.

I know what happened after and prior. I know his troubles with suing the NFL.

So I dont watch College football, doesnt make me uneducated on MoC bringing OSU a national title.

Dont get into it with me. Id rather not talk to a pissed off, bitter little kid anyway.

I've never talked bad about the guy for that season, I know he was a big part in our NC season and I'd like to remember him forever for that season, but it's just not the way it's going to happen considering all that happened after that NC year.

And in that game, our QB Craig Krenzel was a much bigger part in winning that game than Clarett was, Clarett gets credit helping us get to that Fiesta Bowl, but Will Smith, Tim Anderson, Mike Doss, our LB's, and Craig Krenzel were bigger parts in that game.

You don't follow college football, therefore you don't know all that went down between Clarett and OSU in the past 2 years, but if not liking Clarett makes me a bad OSU fan then I feel comfort in knowing that EVERY OSU fan is a bad fan.

[watermock]

He can stick his olive branch up his 3rd orifice for all I care, those 2 guys in my avatar would've gladly called Maurice a teammate last season had he stayed with us, probably would've won more than 8 games(barring Maurice lashing out at Snyder and Tressel for giving Ted Ginn the ball from time to time.)

He had teammates in 2002, and his choice was to not have any for the next 2 years, so I'm not apathetic to him "finally" having these teammates that he needs so badly.

First, your an ignorant ass. Second, it's not like OSU took him back, they wouldn't even let him work out there for scouts, so shut your pie hole. Third, I don't remember any olive branch at all. Fourth, I bet every thing he said about the program was true, but can't be proven. Fifth, while bitching, you manage to whine that he didn't player there anymore. Sixth, he even gives a goodbye to OSU and says no hard feelings.

God your an idiot.

[Northman]

Cry some more.

Clarett brought your team a national title and you hate him.

Now that, sir, is the very definition of a bad fan.



I would say it was more the defense than Clarett.

[watermock]

You don't follow college football, therefore you don't know all that went down between Clarett and OSU in the past 2 years,

Well tell us all about it since Clarett hasn't set foot on OSU soil for two years. I'm very inclined to believe what he said. It's not that hard to cover up stuff. And telling me the Basketball program is the one under scrutiny with mulitple violations is supposed to make me lose focus?

Your an idiot. They covered their tracks.

The real point is he doesn't have to live in a fish bowl now. So get off the kids back you dimwit. You act like a scorned ex-wife.

Sit down and shut up before I give a real brow beating.

[Garcia Bronco]

I would say it was more the defense than Clarett.


OSU won the game...but they didn't beat Miami anyway.

[SoCalBronco]

http://66.49.247.155/BB/image.php?u=1541&dateline=1116596498

I was considering changing the line under my username to "DJ, Ash and Maurice homer" but now i think ill change it to "DJ, Ash and Renee Herlocker homer".

[FADERPROOF]

First, your an ignorant ass. Second, it's not like OSU took him back, they wouldn't even let him work out there for scouts, so shut your pie hole. Third, I don't remember any olive branch at all. Fourth, I bet every thing he said about the program was true, but can't be proven. Fifth, while b****ing, you manage to whine that he didn't player there anymore. Sixth, he even gives a goodbye to OSU and says no hard feelings.

God your an idiot.

Go back to your clan meeting, you drunken ****.

OSU DID take him back, until he declared for the NFL draft last year and lost his case, making him ineligble to come back to college.

So if he's not a college student athlete at OSU, why would we let him workout at the Ohio State Pro day this year?

I could care less if what he said was true or not, it wasn't proven and the NCAA investigation is now over, they didn't find any allegation that Clarett made to be proven true, so one must assume that he was lying.

Why are you defending Clarett anyway? He's black, so you must hate him.

[watermock]

He's just pissed Iowa stuck their Whizzinator up their colon than anything.

[Northman]

http://66.49.247.155/BB/image.php?u=1541&dateline=1116596498

I was considering changing the line under my username to "DJ, Ash and Maurice homer" but now i think ill change it to "DJ, Ash and Renee Herlocker homer".


Actually, just to clarify with you guys, i do have Renee as my adopted Cheerleader but the girl in the av is Chrissy Moran. :thumbsup:

[FADERPROOF]

He's just pissed Iowa stuck their Whizzinator up their colon than anything.

Yes, Iowa and their 5th most storied Big 10 program really scares the hell out of OSU...

[SoCalBronco]

Actually, just to clarify with you guys, i do have Renee as my adopted Cheerleader but the girl in the av is Chrissy Moran. :thumbsup:

my bad. I thought that was just a "different" shot of Renee. I will strongly consider putting it "DJ, Ash and Chrissy Moran homer" ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

my bad. I thought that was just a "different" shot of Renee. I will strongly consider putting it "DJ, Ash and Chrissy Moran homer" ;D


I thought I was crazy.

[Northman]

my bad. I thought that was just a "different" shot of Renee. I will strongly consider putting it "DJ, Ash and Chrissy Moran homer" ;D


Amen to that homey. :militia:

[SoCalBronco]

OSU won the game...but they didn't beat Miami anyway.



I thought I was crazy.


The first statement proves you arent crazy. ^5

[Crushaholic]

As long as he listens to coaches and not gripe about the lack of playing time, then he'll do fine in Denver. If he has indeed matured, he will realize what a great opportunity he has with the Broncos. It appears like he's on the right path, though...

[watermock]

Yes, Iowa and their 5th most storied Big 10 program really scares the hell out of OSU...

I find it amusing to defend an OSU player then beat the crap out of an OSU idiot.

Look, I never made the Iowa program out to be anything. It's not my fault they won a bowl game on New Years day and beat the defending Champs.

Your so anal it's hillarious. Don't blame me when your team sucks. And the funny thing is, your still bashing Clarett, who hasn't been there for two years.

Hey listen dimwit, the NCAA has investigated your program. You got it yet? Maybe not.

Let me explain it to you dimwit. The NCAA has given 11 sanctions over the athletic program. Oh, that's mock's imagination. Go sit in the corner you moron.

[FADERPROOF]

I find it amusing to defend an OSU player then beat the crap out of an OSU idiot.

Look, I never made the Iowa program out to be anything. It's not my fault they won a bowl game on New Years day and beat the defending Champs.

Your so anal it's hillarious. Don't blame me when your team sucks. And the funny thing is, your still bashing Clarett, who hasn't been there for two years.

Hey listen dimwit, the NCAA has investigated your program. You got it yet? Maybe not.

Let me explain it to you dimwit. The NCAA has given 11 sanctions over the athletic program. Oh, that's mock's imagination. Go sit in the corner you moron.

The NCAA gave out 11 sanctions over our athletic program, that part is true. However 9 of them were for OSU's basketball program, 1 was for the womens basketball program, and only 1 was for our football program, none of which were Maurice Clarett's allegations.

You've never made Iowa out to be anything? Good, because they aren't anything. The fact that Iowa fans brag over having 1 year that they finished better than Ohio State in football speaks volumes about where each of our programs are and how big each teams expectations are.

Iowa finishing 3rd in the Big 10 is an accomplishment, OSU not winning the Big 10 is a dissapointment. Iowa's sole chance at a National title came in 1985, and what team knocked their asses out of contention?

[FADERPROOF]

I would say it was more the defense than Clarett.

This is true, even old time Buckeye fans who are 40-50 years old and have been a Buckeyes fan sicne the 50-s and 60's even claim that our 2002 D was the best OSU D ever.

[watermock]

Stop whining. Jesus Christ.

Just because they couldn't prove allegations doesn't mean they didn't happen you dimwit. Your the one obsessed with it. I could care less, but your walking on ground pretty soft. "We only have 11 know violations and they are mostly in the basketball area:

Well whooptie freaking do, and I have a Van Down by the River.

I am beyond kickin' your sorry ass to the corner at this point.

It takes alot to elevate oneself to idiot status here, and your on the edge.

[watermock]

Speaking of Ohio, how is Cleveland and Cincinatti doing there asswipe.

[FADERPROOF]

Stop whining. Jesus Christ.

Just because they couldn't prove allegations doesn't mean they didn't happen you dimwit. Your the one obsessed with it. I could care less, but your walking on ground pretty soft. "We only have 11 know violations and they are mostly in the basketball area:

Well whooptie freaking do, and I have a Van Down by the River.

I am beyond kickin' your sorry ass to the corner at this point.

It takes alot to elevate oneself to idiot status here, and your on the edge.

if you could care less about it, why do you keep on bringing it up?

I never brought up our allegations, you did, if you would drop it then it would be a non-issue around here.

Just curious, but what cheap booze are you currently drinking? I might jsut have to run to the store and buy me some so I can act like an internet hardass like you are currently doing.

[watermock]

This guy comes out all brave. He doesn't have a team. Michigan and Iowa go to the Bowl games, Cleveland and Cincy stay home. OSU gets a crap bowl, and this clown tries to talk crap.

It's so amusing.

[FADERPROOF]

Speaking of Ohio, how is Cleveland and Cincinatti doing there asswipe.

Cleveland is pretty nice, wouldn't know about Cincinnati but I hear they're all rednecks who like to have sex with their family members, you might fit in down there considering that you're from Iowa.

[Northman]

Just because they couldn't prove allegations doesn't mean they didn't happen you dimwit.


The only thing im going to point out here is that THEY havent proven anything so therefore OSU is given the benefit of the doubt here IMO. secondly, Clarett cheated in his academics at OSU, lied about numerous things and has character issues. i know because he is a bronco everyone wants to put him on a pedastal and proclaim him the next messiah but be careful what you wish for. i hope Clarett cleans up his act but past history has shown us that Clarett was the problem not OSU.

[watermock]

I keep bringing it up because I'm going to beat you down with it.

Now tell me the Cleveland record.

Now tell me the Cincinatti record.

Now tell me the OSU record.

Sit down and shut the freak up.

Iowa owned you last year, and the funny thing is this years team is better.

[SoCalBronco]

i know because he is a bronco everyone wants to put him on a pedastal and proclaim him the next messiah

I kid you not, one of the two churches i regularly go to is called "St. Maurice". :)

[FADERPROOF]

I keep bringing it up because I'm going to beat you down with it.

Now tell me the Cleveland record.

Now tell me the Cincinatti record.

Now tell me the OSU record.

Sit down and shut the freak up.

Iowa owned you last year, and the funny thing is this years team is better.

What sport are you talking in? Considering Cleveland doesn't have a big D-1 University, and the fact that I could care less about U of Cincy, I'm just trying to figure out what kind of rational post you are trying to make with this.

[Northman]

I kid you not, one of the two churches i regularly go to is called "St. Maurice". :)



Hilarious!

[watermock]

but past history has shown us that Clarett was the problem not OSU.

That is totally baloney. It's one student's problem, not the univerisity?

How amusing. How can you possibly blame 9 sanctions against the BB program on Mo Clarett?

You people amaze me.

[FADERPROOF]

I kid you not, one of the two churches i regularly go to is called "St. Maurice". :)


Is there a stained glass picture of this as a window?

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/01/04/01-04-2003_21917.jpg

:)

[WaffleBoy]

That is totally baloney. It's one student's problem, not the univerisity?

How amusing. How can you possibly blame 9 sanctions against the BB program on Mo Clarett?

You people amaze me.

OSU running a dirty program? Nah.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Northman]

That is totally baloney. It's one student's problem, not the univerisity?

How amusing. How can you possibly blame 9 sanctions against the BB program on Mo Clarett?

You people amaze me.


We aren't talking about the BB program. take your head out of that bottle and pay more attention to detail here. the BB program has nothing to do with Clarett accusing the university of giving special gifts to Clarett. how is that some days you can come across as one of the better posters on this board yet others you seem more like Kheinz? thats what is truly amazing to me. Nyah!

[TheManeMan]

Well whooptie freaking do, and I have a Van Down by the River.


http://www2.msstate.edu/~cje2/farley.jpg

[SoCalBronco]

Is there a stained glass picture of this as a window?

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/01/04/01-04-2003_21917.jpg

:)

That would be really cool if they had that. Most stained glass windows are colorful like that. If it had that, it would prove God is a Broncos fan, as there are 2 Broncos in that picture.

[watermock]

We aren't talking about the BB program. take your head out of that bottle and pay more attention to detail here. the BB program has nothing to do with Clarett accusing the university of giving special gifts to Clarett. how is that some days you can come across as one of the better posters on this board yet others you seem more like Kheinz? thats what is truly amazing to me. Nyah!

Because Clarett hasn't been on campus for two years. Two years is a fair amout of time to scrub things. Has it been disproven that they didn't give gifts? Yout an idiot. Now you go into motivation. What motivation does Clarett have to simply slam OSU?

Pull your head out of your ass. It did no good for Clarett to disclose the OSU athletic department. He's not the criminal here. You make me out like I'm defending a fool with delusions.

Maybe we should have a sub school for idiots.

Let me ask you this genius...has anything Clarett said been disproven?

[Nuggets4]

OK, I'm not gonna get in the Clarett debate this time, but I just have to say this.

Mock, it is you're, not your. You do this constantly. It's wrong. It proves your ignorance. You can not call someone an idiot if you make that mistake 30 times in one thread.

[Northman]

Because Clarett hasn't been on campus for two years. Two years is a fair amout of time to scrub things. Has it been disproven that they didn't give gifts? Yout an idiot. Now you go into motivation. What motivation does Clarett have to simply slam OSU?

Pull your head out of your ass. It did no good for Clarett to disclose the OSU athletic department. He's not the criminal here. You make me out like I'm defending a fool with delusions.

Maybe we should have a sub school for idiots.

Let me ask you this genius...has anything Clarett said been disproven?


Has it been disproven? uh yea. they investigated and found nothing. whats his motivation? easy. after Clarett made the jump to the NFL ( and failed ) he attempted to come back to the University but when it was found that he cheated in his academics they ousted him for good so Clarett had a big axe to grind at that point. it isnt up to the University to disprove anything, its up to the accuser to prove his allegations and when the NCAA investigated came up with nothing. you say they are guilty? where are your facts to back up Clarett's claims? last time i checked your a old drunken fool who picks weeds out in a garden all day and certainly not a investigator.

[FADERPROOF]

Because Clarett hasn't been on campus for two years. Two years is a fair amout of time to scrub things. Has it been disproven that they didn't give gifts? Yout an idiot. Now you go into motivation. What motivation does Clarett have to simply slam OSU?

Pull your head out of your ass. It did no good for Clarett to disclose the OSU athletic department. He's not the criminal here. You make me out like I'm defending a fool with delusions.

Maybe we should have a sub school for idiots.

Let me ask you this genius...has anything Clarett said been disproven?

Considering the NCAA is DONE investigating our football program and didn't come up with 1 allegation that Clarett made to be true, I'd say it's disproven.

If not disproven, then they simply can't find proof of it. Regardless, the NCAA investigation is done with OSU and all that's left for thwe NCAA to do is hand out the penalty to our BASKETBALL program.

[Taco John]

Is there a stained glass picture of this as a window?

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/01/04/01-04-2003_21917.jpg

:)

[BigPlayShay]

He won't beat out Tatum.

[watermock]

Has it been disproven? uh yea. they investigated and found nothing. whats his motivation? easy. after Clarett made the jump to the NFL ( and failed ) he attempted to come back to the University but when it was found that he cheated in his academics they ousted him for good so Clarett had a big axe to grind at that point. it isnt up to the University to disprove anything, its up to the accuser to prove his allegations and when the NCAA investigated came up with nothing.[quote


you say they are guilty? where are your facts to back up Clarett's claims? last time i checked your a old drunken fool who picks weeds out in a garden all day and certainly not a investigator.

You sound like a bitter ex-wife. Give me a break. 11 sanctions against the athletic department isn't enough for you? Are you smoking stupid pills?

The whole athletic department is in ruins, and your on my ass? God your an idiot.

[Garcia Bronco]

'Your an Idiot'.....you can't call some an idiot and mis-spell the phrase.

come on

[Odysseus]

Cry some more.

Clarett brought your team a national title and you hate him.

Now that, sir, is the very definition of a bad fan.

My point exactly.

[watermock]

.....you can't call some an idiot and mis-spell the phrase.

Nice try Garcia.

If you want to get technical, you started without a capital, then you misspelled, then you castrated the post into jibberish. Go sit in the corner.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nice try Garcia.

If you want to get technical, you started without a capital, then you misspelled, then you castrated the post into jibberish. Go sit in the corner.


Right.....ummmm....but I wasn't calling anyone an idiot.

[Taco John]

He won't beat out Tatum.



I hope it's a battle and the best guy wins. And I hope Tatum can last an entire season, win or lose.

[Rock Chalk]

I hope it's a battle and the best guy wins. And I hope Tatum can last an entire season, win or lose.
I dont think Clarett has a chance in hell of beating out Tatum. Not this year. Talent wise he "may" be better, I dont really know, but I know Tatum has the system down and knows he can run in the NFL. Clarett has been out of football for two years and has a large learning curve ahead of him.

That being said, if Tatum goes down, I fully expect for Clarett to be able to step in and take up the role of Denver RB stud.

[DBroncos4life]

you know Im glad that he is having fun and doing well but this Clarett talk is getting old fast. Im glad that the media made him bigger then the team and he hasn't even gained a yard yet. I know that this isn't his fault but he better watch it or all this will drive a wedge between him and the team.

[FADERPROOF]

You sound like a bitter ex-wife. Give me a break. 11 sanctions against the athletic department isn't enough for you? Are you smoking stupid pills?

The whole athletic department is in ruins, and your on my ass? God your an idiot.

Mock,

I know you're ****faced right now, but please try to stick with me.

Football and basketball are two different sports, the NCAA only found sanction against the football team and none of which were allegated by Clarett, the rest of the sanctions came against the basketball team.

You're trying to compare apples to oranges here to see if anything sticks, when it doesn't.

Go back to drinking, beating women, and clan meetings...you're a lot more knowledgable of those than you are about football.

[Clockwork Orange]

you know Im glad that he is having fun and doing well but this Clarett talk is getting old fast. Im glad that the media made him bigger then the team and he hasn't even gained a yard yet. I know that this isn't his fault but he better watch it or all this will drive a wedge between him and the team.

I don't forsee this driving a wedge between Clarett and the team so long as he continues to say and do the right things. He's not doing anything to call attention to himself, the media is just putting the spotlight on him because of his notorious past. The Broncos had to know that this is how it would be when they drafted him.

Thus far Clarett has come off as humble, grateful and a team guy. If he continues down that path there will be no problems. If he doesn't, well, then you could be on to something.

[FADERPROOF]

My point exactly.

Sorry to make you aware of this, but your posts NEVER have any points.

[Northman]

You sound like a bitter ex-wife. Give me a break. 11 sanctions against the athletic department isn't enough for you? Are you smoking stupid pills?

The whole athletic department is in ruins, and your on my ass? God your an idiot.


All i know is for someone to call someone else stupid when the said subject can't distinguish penalties from a basketball program to a football program is hilarious. When you can figure it out that Clarett made accusations against the football program come back and play with the big kids ok?

[FADERPROOF]

All i know is for someone to call someone else stupid when the said subject can't distinguish penalties from a basketball program to a football program is hilarious. When you can figure it out that Clarett made accusations against the football program come back and play with the big kids ok?

Mock is also the one who claims that he isn't obsessed with it, when he hasn't gone 3 posts in this thread without bringing up that OSU has 11 sanctions against them.

[DB-Freak]

This issue has been beaten to death.

I see we still wanna threw in some kicks in there while it's down.

All I gotta say is

Fu....... I mean Boooo O$U, GOOOO MoC.

[Ray Finkle]

Actually, just to clarify with you guys, i do have Renee as my adopted Cheerleader but the girl in the av is Chrissy Moran. :thumbsup:


I am just shocked you found a pic of her with her clothes on....

[watermock]

I think Big Mo is in there for the red zone and relief. I don't see TaterTot getting pushed out, but a nice bump in the ass won't hurt. I'm praying for the dynamic duo, we well see how it works out.

[Needa Pass Rush]

FADERPROOF, formerly known as..... ??????? Why didn't you ask for FAIDERPROOF? Was it already taken?

[BigPlayShay]

I hope it's a battle and the best guy wins. And I hope Tatum can last an entire season, win or lose.

The questions about Tatum's durability are unwarranted if you ask me. Kid came back and played with pins in his finger. Then with some other nagging injuries did not get playing time because Griffin and Droughns were doing fairly well.

Then he close out the season semi-starting and playing with a separated shoulder. The kid is tough. Portis would not have played with these type of injuries. If he were healthy when Griffin started to sputter, he would have started the rest of the season and Droughns would still be a fullback.

[DBroncos4life]

The questions about Tatum's durability are unwarranted if you ask me. Kid came back and played with pins in his finger. Then with some other nagging injuries did not get playing time because Griffin and Droughns were doing fairly well.

Then he close out the season semi-starting and playing with a separated shoulder. The kid is tough. Portis would not have played with these type of injuries. If he were healthy when Griffin started to sputter, he would have started the rest of the season and Droughns would still be a fullback.


I agree. Tatum lost time because of the finger and he had to make up for it. The two guys ahead of him played well at times then Bell got his turn. He didn't miss any or much time because of the injuries. I remember many here that told me he was done for the year though I said he would still play. He's tougher then most give him credit for and he will get the tough yards that Portis never would have.

[clarker]

I've never talked bad about the guy for that season, I know he was a big part in our NC season and I'd like to remember him forever for that season, but it's just not the way it's going to happen considering all that happened after that NC year.

And in that game, our QB Craig Krenzel was a much bigger part in winning that game than Clarett was, Clarett gets credit helping us get to that Fiesta Bowl, but Will Smith, Tim Anderson, Mike Doss, our LB's, and Craig Krenzel were bigger parts in that game.

You don't follow college football, therefore you don't know all that went down between Clarett and OSU in the past 2 years, but if not liking Clarett makes me a bad OSU fan then I feel comfort in knowing that EVERY OSU fan is a bad fan.You don't have to follow college ball to know what went on with Clarett and Ohio State. All you had to do is watch Sportscenter, every thing that kid did was the 1st or 2nd story of Sportscenter for 2 years.

And if Clarett doesn't run down Sean Taylor, Ohio State loses that game.

[Nuggets4]

Mock,

I know you're ****faced right now, but please try to stick with me.

Football and basketball are two different sports, the NCAA only found sanction against the football team and none of which were allegated by Clarett, the rest of the sanctions came against the basketball team.

You're trying to compare apples to oranges here to see if anything sticks, when it doesn't.

Go back to drinking, beating women, and clan meetings...you're a lot more knowledgable of those than you are about football.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FADERPROOF again.

[Atlas]

He's got Louis Wright's old number. Hope he does it proud.


He has Garrison's Hearst old number I hope he does it prou........ Ah nevermind

[Odysseus]

Sorry to make you aware of this, but your posts NEVER have any points.

Maybe when you get a little older and wiser. I'm sure it will all come into focus for you.

[Odysseus]

I dont think Clarett has a chance in hell of beating out Tatum. Not this year. Talent wise he "may" be better, I dont really know, but I know Tatum has the system down and knows he can run in the NFL. Clarett has been out of football for two years and has a large learning curve ahead of him.

That being said, if Tatum goes down, I fully expect for Clarett to be able to step in and take up the role of Denver RB stud.

Rep!

[watermock]

http://66.49.247.155/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1116665315

Atlas, at my age I'm not even sure I could handle that nazi. Stop teasing me dammit. Besides, she looks too much like one of mock's kittens.

Anyway, regarding Clarett, give him a break. Take away his Whizzinator first, then let he learn how to play in our offense. Just be patient with the kid.

[Odysseus]

how is that some days you can come across as one of the better posters on this board yet others you seem more like Kheinz? thats what is truly amazing to me. Nyah!

Rep.

Good Mock? Evil Mock? I am used to good Mock but that other guy..... thwack

[watermock]

There is no good mock. He's a loving caring person. This is bad mock, and your an ignorant tool.

Good Mock did make me a sandwich of cottage bread, halo swiss, prime roast beef, mesquite turkey, heilemans mayo and sun ripened tomato, but I still hate him.

[watermock]

there is no good or bad.

You can coat things any way you want. I can't make you think shiat is fudge, and Ice Cream the devil.

It's all about defintion and the power of the mind to bend what it wants to see into reality. A good enough salesman can sell you that turd you just pinched as your beautiful heir.

Well, maybe you can tell a turd from a newborn, but you get the point.

[watermock]

Has anyone even had a clue why I act the way I do?

Thunder rolling in, time to get Beezer inside...

[Odysseus]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FADERPROOF again.

I repped Faderproof as well.

[watermock]

The questions about Tatum's durability are unwarranted if you ask me. Kid came back and played with pins in his finger. Then with some other nagging injuries did not get playing time because Griffin and Droughns were doing fairly well.

Then he close out the season semi-starting and playing with a separated shoulder. The kid is tough. Portis would not have played with these type of injuries. If he were healthy when Griffin started to sputter, he would have started the rest of the season and Droughns would still be a fullback.

Total bullshiat.

I'm happy because Tatertots shoulder is going to pop out by week 4. I caught a ton of grief about Q being the feature back. Now it's not even a wimper.

FaiderProof is just mad because is cooked his OSU progarmme. Well sorry dude, it's cooked, and Mo Clarett had nothing to to with it, right? Make up your stinking mind you moron. If your a proper OSU idiot, you blame MoC, what is funny, you blame ME.

Shouldn't we just give you a dumbass award?

I didn't create Mo Clarett, I didnt create all the NCAA violations that OSU has to contend with. Thats all your crap. Why are you throwing your crap on me?
Iowa's programme is spotless. God your a moron.

[-Slap-]

You don't have to follow college ball to know what went on with Clarett and Ohio State. All you had to do is watch Sportscenter, every thing that kid did was the 1st or 2nd story of Sportscenter for 2 years.

And if Clarett doesn't run down Sean Taylor, Ohio State loses that game.

^5

[Nuggets4]

Has anyone even had a clue why I act the way I do?

http://alcocity.ru/images/catalog/465_b.jpg

[DB-Freak]

http://alcocity.ru/images/catalog/465_b.jpg
Too expensive.

Picture of Mocks table right now.

http://www.40ouncebeer.com/pics400/colt45bottles5.jpg

[Mediator12]

Too expensive.

Picture of Mocks table right now.

http://www.40ouncebeer.com/pics400/colt45bottles5.jpg

Dude, mock makes his own! Think he pays for alcohol when he can make it for free! Why else does he sit around all day posting? He is continously tasting new stock.

[clean]

Too expensive.

Picture of Mocks table right now.

http://www.40ouncebeer.com/pics400/colt45bottles5.jpg

Cheaper:

[baja]

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~nhaskell/files/mexico/a%20tequila%20shot%20for%20my%20mom.jpg


Mock with a little fore play.

[Odysseus]

What a Mockery! Mock getting Mock Jacked!

[FADERPROOF]

You don't have to follow college ball to know what went on with Clarett and Ohio State. All you had to do is watch Sportscenter, every thing that kid did was the 1st or 2nd story of Sportscenter for 2 years.

And if Clarett doesn't run down Sean Taylor, Ohio State loses that game.

A game that went into double OT was decided on a fumble recovery in the 3rd quarter?

I've already stated that I have always given Clarett credit for his role on that championship team, it's the stuff that happened afterwards that made me and every Buckeye fan dislike the guy.

But tell me why I should like a guy that tried taking down our football program? Because he was on the team that won a national championship? I don't respect the guy, I don't like the guy, and no matter what he does in the NFL, it's not going to change.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

FP thwack The rest of the OM

I've heard if you're not with me you're against me, but this is pathetic. Hey Mock, see the proper use of you're versus your. :poke:

[baja]

FP thwack The rest of the OM

I've heard if you're not with me you're against me, but this is pathetic. Hey Mock, see the proper use of you're versus your. :poke:

noone is home

[SoCalBronco]

A game that went into double OT was decided on a fumble recovery in the 3rd quarter?

I've already stated that I have always given Clarett credit for his role on that championship team, it's the stuff that happened afterwards that made me and every Buckeye fan dislike the guy.

But tell me why I should like a guy that tried taking down our football program? Because he was on the team that won a national championship? I don't respect the guy, I don't like the guy, and no matter what he does in the NFL, it's not going to change.

So your saying there's no chance of you changing your handle to DenFan20? :)

[SoCalBronco]

nice video interview with Shanny and Maurice on Week 1 of the passing camp.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=771

[Atlas]

A game that went into double OT was decided on a fumble recovery in the 3rd quarter?

I've already stated that I have always given Clarett credit for his role on that championship team, it's the stuff that happened afterwards that made me and every Buckeye fan dislike the guy.

But tell me why I should like a guy that tried taking down our football program? Because he was on the team that won a national championship? I don't respect the guy, I don't like the guy, and no matter what he does in the NFL, it's not going to change.

Faderproof. Maybe you need too lighten up on Clarret a little. The Post article said that NCAA officials tried to call Clarret about those allegations and he never called them back. I think Clarret was pissed when he said what he did and honestly I think what he said was true. But when push came to shove he didn't want to throw Ohio State under the bus. He could have but he didn't. All he wants to do is remember the good times at Ohio State and get on with his NFL career. Maybe you should do the same. He is a Bronco, He is a former Buckeye, He helped your team win a national championship.

That doesn't sound too bad to me.

[ozomulsion]

The day DenFan lightens up on Clarrett is the day you switch your interests to men clad in bikini briefs.

[Raiders Rock]

Clarett speaks: "Ive finally got some guys i can call my teammates"


Yea.... wait til he rats the first one out when he doesn't get his way or something happens on the team he does not approve.

This guy bit the hand that fed him more than once, and he will again.

[Odysseus]

Yea.... wait til he rats the first one out when he doesn't get his way or something happens on the team he does not approve.

This guy bit the hand that fed him more than once, and he will again.

Boxers? Briefs? Naaaw. Definitely tighty whitees.

It's too bad their isn't audio on this thing. I bet some of you guys sound like you been sucking on helium.

[Circle Orange]

*sniffle* he belongs, he FEELS...

*sniffle snaffle snuf* /dabs tissues to wet eyes/

Nothing like love...

[anthonypacino]

I am a huge OSU fan since I was about 8 yrs old, (long story) and I too was very angry with Clarett after the national championship like every other OSU fan, I thought if he would have stayed in college OSU could have repeated they almost kept the entire starting off and def. Now after a few years looking back on it yeah it sucked that he left and brought all this unwanted attention to the school but hey he was a kid a 19-20 year old kid, I made plenty of screw-ups when I was 20, LeBron James was one of his close friends seeing him make all that money and having the media telling everyone that he should have won the Heisman if he wasn't a freshman and that he could play in the NFL right away...it all went to his head and he reacted...OSU won the title, they are still playing football in Columbus no NCAA penalties, yeah I was mad but I can't hold it against him forever I am just happy that Shanny finally realized the talent pool from Ohio State and picked someone up the last Buckeye I can remember Denver having on the team was Butler Bynote!!!

[FADERPROOF]

Faderproof. Maybe you need too lighten up on Clarret a little. The Post article said that NCAA officials tried to call Clarret about those allegations and he never called them back. I think Clarret was pissed when he said what he did and honestly I think what he said was true. But when push came to shove he didn't want to throw Ohio State under the bus. He could have but he didn't. All he wants to do is remember the good times at Ohio State and get on with his NFL career. Maybe you should do the same. He is a Bronco, He is a former Buckeye, He helped your team win a national championship.

That doesn't sound too bad to me.

They'll never be any lightening up from me about Clarett, what he did was irreconsilable(and this is what the vast majority of Buckeye fans all say as well.)

The thing is, OSU gave him opportunities to turn it around and come back to us, it's not like we just shut the door on the guys face when he needed the University to back him. He was suspended for a year after his police reports came up false, OSU wanted him on a 6 game suspension but the NCAA ruled over it and suspended him for the year. Once the season was over, OSU allowed him to workout with the team in all voluntary workouts and training programs, figuring that he'd be back for his Junior year. Maurice even claimed that he wanted to come back to OSU and wasn't intending on challenging the rule to go to the NFL a year earleir than allowed, "I want to be a Buckeye next year," was his statement.

So what happened? The second Maurice that the chance to challenge the rule, he did, going against all that he was telling everyone about coming back to college next year. He won, then lost and now his collegiate eligibility was gone, so he couldn't come back to OSU as he was not an amateur anymore.

Then he goes to ESPN and allegates a group of serous sanctions that OSU did for him while he was at OSU and tries to play the victim as he looks to take our program down. That was the last straw, because no one person is bigger than Ohio State to Buckeye fans, and we'll defend our University over anyone's word of mouth. I still don't know his motives about it, maybe it was because he was resentful that he wasn't playing football, maybe he just wanted to keep his name out in the public, maybe he was actually telling the truth, but it does seem a bit strange that the person that first made all these allegations on the school just wants it to be "in the past," once the NCAA says that they didn't find any proof of his statements and that they re done with the investigation. If anything, it should be OSU that just wants it in the past, and I hope it does eventually become over with, but Clarett still has left a cloud over the school because even though the NCAA has set us free without any of his sanctions being proven, people are still saying things about OSU and how they cheat, and believe Clarett, and hope we do get caught with something eventually.

To me, he lied, not one thing came up proven as the NCAA said they thoroughly investigated the program, and now he just wants to drop and put it in the past. We'll never know, because the NCAA is done investigating our football program, but they wouldn't have if Maurice didn't accuse OSU of those sanctions in the first place.

He was a great player when he was on the field for us and he helped us win a national championship. Although outside of stripping Sean Taylor he was a non-factor in the Fiesta Bowl, we wouldn't have gotten a chance to play for it without his play in the regular season. I can recognize that and I thank him for playing well for us, but he put himself in a situation where Buckeye fans had to pick his side or the OSU side, and I'm certainly sticking with OSU.

[DB-Freak]

They'll never be any lightening up from me about Clarett, what he did was irreconsilable(and this is what the vast majority of Buckeye fans all say as well.)

The thing is, OSU gave him opportunities to turn it around and come back to us, it's not like we just shut the door on the guys face when he needed the University to back him. He was suspended for a year after his police reports came up false, OSU wanted him on a 6 game suspension but the NCAA ruled over it and suspended him for the year. Once the season was over, OSU allowed him to workout with the team in all voluntary workouts and training programs, figuring that he'd be back for his Junior year. Maurice even claimed that he wanted to come back to OSU and wasn't intending on challenging the rule to go to the NFL a year earleir than allowed, "I want to be a Buckeye next year," was his statement.

So what happened? The second Maurice that the chance to challenge the rule, he did, going against all that he was telling everyone about coming back to college next year. He won, then lost and now his collegiate eligibility was gone, so he couldn't come back to OSU as he was not an amateur anymore.

Then he goes to ESPN and allegates a group of serous sanctions that OSU did for him while he was at OSU and tries to play the victim as he looks to take our program down. That was the last straw, because no one person is bigger than Ohio State to Buckeye fans, and we'll defend our University over anyone's word of mouth. I still don't know his motives about it, maybe it was because he was resentful that he wasn't playing football, maybe he just wanted to keep his name out in the public, maybe he was actually telling the truth, but it does seem a bit strange that the person that first made all these allegations on the school just wants it to be "in the past," once the NCAA says that they didn't find any proof of his statements and that they re done with the investigation. If anything, it should be OSU that just wants it in the past, and I hope it does eventually become over with, but Clarett still has left a cloud over the school because even though the NCAA has set us free without any of his sanctions being proven, people are still saying things about OSU and how they cheat, and believe Clarett, and hope we do get caught with something eventually.

To me, he lied, not one thing came up proven as the NCAA said they thoroughly investigated the program, and now he just wants to drop and put it in the past. We'll never know, because the NCAA is done investigating our football program, but they wouldn't have if Maurice didn't accuse OSU of those sanctions in the first place.

He was a great player when he was on the field for us and he helped us win a national championship. Although outside of stripping Sean Taylor he was a non-factor in the Fiesta Bowl, we wouldn't have gotten a chance to play for it without his play in the regular season. I can recognize that and I thank him for playing well for us, but he put himself in a situation where Buckeye fans had to pick his side or the OSU side, and I'm certainly sticking with OSU.

Well....

he tried didn't he?

Doesn't that count for something?

[FADERPROOF]

Well....

he tried didn't he?

Doesn't that count for something?

Tried with what?

[DB-Freak]

Tried with what?

That was supposed to be "at least he tried didn't he." so my bad.

I mean he tried to bring that scum pile of a program called O$U down, but it didn't work. Just can't beat the system.

J/K

I was referring to Atlas' effort to somewhat lessen your feelings toward Clarett.

[SoCalBronco]

DF, I think you will soften up a little once you see him making big plays for the Broncos.

[Pendejo]

Fadeproof...I don't mean any harm or anything...but you're going to be conflicted as hell the first time Clarett throws up 100 yards rushing with the Donks.

How will you deal with that kind of ordeal? On one hand you hate the guy...on the other if rushes for that many yards the Donks most likely win the game.

A catch-22 for you?

[FADERPROOF]

DF, I think you will soften up a little once you see him making big plays for the Broncos.

My stomach certainly soften up after how much I'll be throwing up after seeing him in a Broncos jersey.

[FADERPROOF]

That was supposed to be "at least he tried didn't he." so my bad.

I mean he tried to bring that scum pile of a program called O$U down, but it didn't work. Just can't beat the system.

J/K

I was referring to Atlas' effort to somewhat lessen your feelings toward Clarett.

Well, we certainly don't run a clean program like Marshall does or anything :laugh:

[FADERPROOF]

Fadeproof...I don't mean any harm or anything...but you're going to be conflicted as hell the first time Clarett throws up 100 yards rushing with the Donks.

How will you deal with that kind of ordeal? On one hand you hate the guy...on the other if rushes for that many yards the Donks most likely win the game.

A catch-22 for you?

Very much so, I just gotta roll with the punches I guess and take my lumps even if it means that Clarett will be successful in the NFL...just don't expect me to root for the guy.

[Pendejo]

Very much so, I just gotta roll with the punches I guess and take my lumps even if it means that Clarett will be successful in the NFL...just don't expect me to root for the guy.

No offense man...but I hope the guy goes off for like 1,500 and 10 this season. It'd be fun to watch you vent...cripes you might be so out of your head by week 10 that you'd take to pissing in your trash can.

The hatred is pure in you.

[DB-Freak]

No offense man...but I hope the guy goes off for like 1,500 and 10 this season. It'd be fun to watch you vent...cripes you might be so out of your head by week 10 that you'd take to pissing in your trash can.

The hatred is pure in you.

One of the best things in this site.

[FADERPROOF]

No offense man...but I hope the guy goes off for like 1,500 and 10 this season. It'd be fun to watch you vent...cripes you might be so out of your head by week 10 that you'd take to pissing in your trash can.

The hatred is pure in you.

Just curious, but were you in the chats the night that we drafted him? I was in a whole 'nother realm after that and I was just flipping out, you would've laughed your ass off.

[SoCalBronco]

I am a huge OSU fan since I was about 8 yrs old, (long story) and I too was very angry with Clarett after the national championship like every other OSU fan, I thought if he would have stayed in college OSU could have repeated they almost kept the entire starting off and def. Now after a few years looking back on it yeah it sucked that he left and brought all this unwanted attention to the school but hey he was a kid a 19-20 year old kid, I made plenty of screw-ups when I was 20, LeBron James was one of his close friends seeing him make all that money and having the media telling everyone that he should have won the Heisman if he wasn't a freshman and that he could play in the NFL right away...it all went to his head and he reacted...OSU won the title, they are still playing football in Columbus no NCAA penalties, yeah I was mad but I can't hold it against him forever I am just happy that Shanny finally realized the talent pool from Ohio State and picked someone up the last Buckeye I can remember Denver having on the team was Butler Bynote!!!

DF, why cant you have a viewpoint like this? This guy here also got screwed by Maurice. He also recognizes that Maurice prolly cost them a good chance to repeat in 2003, but he is willing to put it behind him. Anyway, i will wait till around August or September and see how you feel then.

[FADERPROOF]

DF, why cant you have a viewpoint like this? This guy here also got screwed by Maurice. He also recognizes that Maurice prolly cost them a good chance to repeat in 2003, but he is willing to put it behind him. Anyway, i will wait till around August or September and see how you feel then.

I don't now the guy personally, but I'm pretty certain that I'm a much bigger dick than he is that doesn't let things go as easily.

[FADERPROOF]

the last Buckeye I can remember Denver having on the team was Butler Bynote!!!

Not sure if he came after Butler, but I believe Tito Paul was the last Buckeye on the Broncos.

Minnesota is the top of the crop when it comes to OSU guys on an NFL team, Cris Carter, Robert Smith, Korey Stringer, Antione Winfield, the Vikings have consistenly had a big time player from OSU on their team.

[Ballhawk]

Just curious, but were you in the chats the night that we drafted him? I was in a whole 'nother realm after that and I was just flipping out, you would've laughed your ass off.

I did not even pay attention after that pick. I refuse to put any energy into wailing against the pick. I realize that this was a Turner pick, and I doubt Mo even sees the field for 2 years, at which point he will be traded to Washington for Lamar.

Anyways we should all be rooting for Bell to be the next great Denver back!

[Raiders Rock]

Hey Proof, come on over to the Darkside my Tarheel friend , you will be much happier.

RR

[FADERPROOF]

Hey Proof, come on over to the Darkside my Tarheel friend , you will be much happier.

RR

I couldn't do that, if anything I'll either be a Browns or Bucaneers fan, but Raider adn Chiefs are a no-go.

[anthonypacino]

Not sure if he came after Butler, but I believe Tito Paul was the last Buckeye on the Broncos.

Minnesota is the top of the crop when it comes to OSU guys on an NFL team, Cris Carter, Robert Smith, Korey Stringer, Antione Winfield, the Vikings have consistenly had a big time player from OSU on their team.

I completly forgot about Paul guess he wasn't around long enough to register,yeah the Vikes have kept up with the players the Patriots had a few over the years also

[FADERPROOF]

I completly forgot about Paul guess he wasn't around long enough to register,yeah the Vikes have kept up with the players the Patriots had a few over the years also

Tito Paul's dubious distrinction was him being credited with the guy who lost out first game in the 1998 season to the Giants, we were 12-0 at the time and Paul got burnt constantly during that game. Other than that game, I wouldve never remember him even being on the Broncos.

Patriots have an interesting arsenal especially with Ty Law and Tom Brady, who played for Michigan. Still love those Super Bowls when they have a Michigan guy in Tom Brady toss a TD pass to an OSU guy in Mike Vrabel, makes for some sweet irony.

And finally it's about time that there's another OSU fan on this site, I've had to represent the scarlet and gray by myself over here for the past couple years.

[anthonypacino]

I have taken crap for years about my devotion to the Bucks cause I am a Colorado native everyone expects me to be a CU fan, It is really hard find a place here to watch the games on Sat usually all by myself but lately I have been meeting more transplants from Ohio who attended THE university, but then when they find out that I am a Bronco fan I catch hell from them too!! I went to the Hall of Fame last year for Elway's induction and boy those Browns fans are still pissed at Elway and Denver. I got so much crap yelled at me I thought that Modell was the most hated man in Ohio!

[Ballhawk]

I have been a Bucks fan since Jimmy Jackson played basketball there. I would not even start to presume I have as much insight into the team as DF does tho.

I will say that if we win Texas and Iowa early we will be playing in Pasadena this year and I will be there :)

[FADERPROOF]

I have taken crap for years about my devotion to the Bucks cause I am a Colorado native everyone expects me to be a CU fan, It is really hard find a place here to watch the games on Sat usually all by myself but lately I have been meeting more transplants from Ohio who attended THE university, but then when they find out that I am a Bronco fan I catch hell from them too!! I went to the Hall of Fame last year for Elway's induction and boy those Browns fans are still pissed at Elway and Denver. I got so much crap yelled at me I thought that Modell was the most hated man in Ohio!

I live here in Cleveland, imagine the things I have to go through by just walking outside my house with a Broncos jersey on. They'll ALWAYS hate us no matter what, I've learned that through years and years of having to hear **** about it.

[FADERPROOF]

I have been a Bucks fan since Jimmy Jackson played basketball there. I would not even start to presume I have as much insight into the team as DF does tho.

I will say that if we win Texas and Iowa early we will be playing in Pasadena this year and I will be there :)

My bad ballhawk, I haven't seen you in college football discussion so I just figured I was the only Buckeye fan on OM currently.

I liked Jackson a lot, I was always partial to Lawrence Funderburke as my favorite player during those 1992-1994 years that we were dominant. OSU is looking strong here again in basketball finally, we return just about everyone and Tha Matta is doing well in recruiting so OSU should be pretty well off in the next year or so.

As for football, I'm not that concerned with Texas and Iowa, because we have them early in the season and both are home games for us. The big game will be THE game, we have to travel to Ann Arbor this year to play Michigan in the Big House, and we know all too well about being undefeated when we're playing Michigan, so that will be HUGE game if both teams live up to the top 10 expectations this year.

I really want it to be OSU vs. USC in the Rose Bowl, bring back that old Rose Bowl rivalry of Pac-10 vs. Big 10, but have this one for the national title. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but hat would just be the ultimate hype.

[watermock]

It's time for CU to stop dragging it's ass on the carpet. There is no reason for CU to suck.

As far as OSU players on the HornHeads, I disavow all connections entirely. Those were the dark ages, we have now reached the Idiot Era with pencilhead.

Still, the Used Car Salesman is heading off into the sunset, Moss is gone, Pimp Daddy is gone, and now we get to deal with a New York Jew set on making his own personal Kingdom up here. Wilf I think the clowns name is. The Fowler joke was really funny. That guy tried to sell a failed flight simulation company for 300 million when it wasn't worth a dime. His other area of experience was selling styrofoam cups to 7-11. Leave it up to a Liberal bunch of Morons to push of Taylor, who lives in Sioux Falls, only 200 miles away, and a Viking fan, for some New Jersey Land Developer. It's such classic stupidity in Minnesota it's literally comedy. This is the state that brought you Walter Mondale.

[watermock]

Iowa is going to string OSU up by the nuts. Matt Roth might just show up for a steroid induced rant.

Look out.

[FADERPROOF]

Iowa is going to string OSU up by the nuts. Matt Roth might just show up for a steroid induced rant.

Look out.

Not in our house, I'd be worried if the game was at Kinnick but Iowa doesn't come out of Columbus with a win.

[anthonypacino]

Roth caused OSU some trouble last year but without him and OSU QB situation under control it will be an entertaing game to watch and an OSU victory!

[anthonypacino]

Howcum the Michigan sideline doesn't have ice anymore...the kid that knew the recipe graduated!!1

[Ballhawk]

Penn St may surprise this year too, I think they are returning all of last years starters. The Big 10 may be the toughest conferance this year hands down, Michigan may end up 4th, would love to see that!

[FADERPROOF]

Penn St may surprise this year too, I think they are returning all of last years starters. The Big 10 may be the toughest conferance this year hands down, Michigan may end up 4th, would love to see that!

As of right now, it looks like Iowa, OSU, and Michigan will all be ranekd in the top 10, that is going to be a battle!

[FADERPROOF]

Roth caused OSU some trouble last year but without him and OSU QB situation under control it will be an entertaing game to watch and an OSU victory!

Yep, Northwestern, Wisconsin, and Iowa all caught us when we didn't know who our QB was and how to get the ball to Ted Ginn, and OSU went 5-1 once we named Troy Smith the starter and started utilizing Ginn.

[anthonypacino]

Yeah they started to roll after Smith took over but I still remember the offense stalling too much Ross's inability to run didn't help either and soon I think they tried to rely on the big play too much they tried going deep to Ginn or Holmes every series. Zwick looked better later in the year after Smith's troubles now I heard that Eric Haw is in trouble too. I wonder if Smith will start this year or are we going to have another Germaine/Jackson thing happening?

[SoCalBronco]

So how is Louis Irrizary doing? :)

[FADERPROOF]

So how is Louis Irrizary doing? :)

He's in jail, where Willie Williams should be.

[Ballhawk]

I wonder if Smith will start this year or are we going to have another Germaine/Jackson thing happening?

Hated that rotational thing. Germaine got destroyed by FSU in the bowl game, not that we were a team designed to play on turf. FSU had a great DLine and Germaine looked like a deer in headlights.

[SoCalBronco]

He's in jail, where Willie Williams should be.

Actually Louis is no longer in jail. I am anticipating that he will be welcomed back into the OSU family any day now cause right now you guys TEs are nothing special.

[FADERPROOF]

Yeah they started to roll after Smith took over but I still remember the offense stalling too much Ross's inability to run didn't help either and soon I think they tried to rely on the big play too much they tried going deep to Ginn or Holmes every series. Zwick looked better later in the year after Smith's troubles now I heard that Eric Haw is in trouble too. I wonder if Smith will start this year or are we going to have another Germaine/Jackson thing happening?

Lydell Ross has about the worst vision that I've ever seen out of a RB, it was get the ball and run straight with him, he'd never be patient to wait for a hole to open up.

From everything that OSU has said, Troy Smith is our startign QB no matter how good Justin Zwick does in the opening game against Miami(OH). Smith's suspension will be up then and he'll get the start for the Texas game, and until he shows that we should make a change, OSU plans on sticking with him.

Haw is suspended for 2 games, maybe 3, but he is suspended for quite sometime. Antonio Pittman will be the new starting RB for us with Russell Anderson and Maurice Wells backing him up.

[FADERPROOF]

Actually Louis is no longer in jail. I am anticipating that he will be welcomed back into the OSU family any day now cause right now you guys TEs are nothing special.

I doubt it actually, Tressel hasn't ahd any contact with him from what I hear and it looks like we won't accept him back.

[watermock]

I had no clue Iowa might be ranked an opening top 10. I don't believe it for one second. We generally drag kids off the back of a plow by the scruff of the neck and tell them to go kill the QB.

Anyone have the preseason top 25? Usually Iowa comes out of left field. Lisa is going to be pumped!

[FADERPROOF]

I had no clue Iowa might be ranked an opening top 10. I don't believe it for one second. We generally drag kids off the back of a plow by the scruff of the neck and tell them to go kill the QB.

Anyone have the preseason top 25? Usually Iowa comes out of left field. Lisa is going to be pumped!

Preseason top 25 won't come out until July-August sometime, but all the things I've seen from college football sites and espn analysts have Iowa anywhere from 7-10 for the preseason polls.

[Ballhawk]

Here is a real early one from Fox

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3342530

#3 Iowa
#4 OSU
#13 Mich
#14 Purdue

[FADERPROOF]

Here is a real early one from Fox

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3342530

#3 Iowa
#4 OSU
#13 Mich
#14 Purdue

Not a bad list, I would say that Michigan is too low at 13, they'll be a top 10 team(which will be even better for when we beat them.)

[Arkie]

54. West Virginia 2004 Record: 8-4 Big East
O.K., O.K., so this is too low for a program that has been consistently strong over the last few years. However, you don't get better by losing most of your top talent. From the graduation of QB Rasheed Marshall and some of the best offensive linemen to the early departure of CB Adam "Pac Man" Jones and WR Chris Henry, this should be a rebuilding year.
Biggest offensive loss: QB Rasheed Marshall Biggest defensive loss: CB Adam Jones

Hilarious!

Where's Anubis?

[watermock]

Jeepers!

Go Hawkeyes! We pushed alot thru the Draft last year.

Mock's kittens go to Iowa. They are going to have fun!

As Usual, it's a matter of beating Michigan.

I just want my kittens to have fun. Lisa might make the Olympics.

It's hard to beat out Black women, but she might still get a spot. Hard tho.

I posted a pic of Lisa a month ago, she's pretty strong.

[FADERPROOF]

54. West Virginia 2004 Record: 8-4 Big East
O.K., O.K., so this is too low for a program that has been consistently strong over the last few years. However, you don't get better by losing most of your top talent. From the graduation of QB Rasheed Marshall and some of the best offensive linemen to the early departure of CB Adam "Pac Man" Jones and WR Chris Henry, this should be a rebuilding year.
Biggest offensive loss: QB Rasheed Marshall Biggest defensive loss: CB Adam Jones

Hilarious!

Where's Anubis?

Anubis is a UVA fan, not a WVU fan.

And that sucks what they said about WVU, not only do I like WVU because of a cousin that goes there, but I have them in my preseason top 25 :laugh:

[Arkie]

My bad. I was just surprised to see a good team listed down there with all the cupcakes!

[FADERPROOF]

My bad. I was just surprised to see a good team listed down there with all the cupcakes!

I don't see WVU being down that far, I mean...they play in the Big East for **** sake! If WVU somehow manages to lose more than 4 games this year, they really suck because outside of Pitt, there's no one in the Big East that should really compete.

[orange 4 life]

Cry some more.

Clarett brought your team a national title and you hate him.

Now that, sir, is the very definition of a bad fan.

now wait a second.
wasnt it you that said the only bad fans were the ones that called others bad fans?

frankly, i dont think calling people out for their behavior is a problem.

hell, if i need to be called out, by all means do it.

the bad fans are the ones who dont passionately and CONSTANTLY stand by their team.
pointing out when people arent doing that is okay in my book.

jake

[orange 4 life]

sorry to go so far backwards.
i sure am late to this party!!

[FADERPROOF]

now wait a second.
wasnt it you that said the only bad fans were the ones that called others bad fans?

frankly, i dont think calling people out for their behavior is a problem.

hell, if i need to be called out, by all means do it.

the bad fans are the ones who dont passionately and CONSTANTLY stand by their team.
pointing out when people arent doing that is okay in my book.

jake

No worries Jake, I never take what Alec says seriously, he has a case of "talking out of ass" syndrome.

If not liking Clarett makes me a bad Buckeye fan, then I guess about every Buckeye fans are bad fans because we all pretty much just don't like the guy.