"a few players away", "the plan", and the negativity from the fans

[Broncoman13]

who whoa whoa, let's take a deep breath and analyze this instead of just saying "If you don';t agree with what the Broncos are doing, you're an idiot or a band fan."

1.) Our pass rush sucked - offseason result: Bringing in Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, and other Browns DL

Is this really the "improvement?" 2 first round busts, and 2 role players? Courtney Browns plays soft as hell and is often injured, Warren is a fat slob that shows up for 4 games a year. Sure, we're HOPING that a change in scenery is also a change in production, but do these changes honestly make people think that our pass rush WILL improve enough to feel confident about it?

2.) Lose Kelly Herndon - offseason result: Draft 3 CB's with with our 1st 3 picks in the draft.

Why? We have Lenny Walls and Champ Bailey as our current starters, drafted a few guys to compete for the nickel slot? There are a lot of questions with all of this. 1.) Why did we do it? Because of the Chiefs? Chargers? Raiders? Colts? There has to be some pass heavy team out there or division rival that makes us feel the need to be 5 deep at CB. 2.)Why not address some other needs in the draft? Where is a pick at DL? or offensive Guard? Safety? Why 3 cornerbacks when we DO have questions elsewhere in the draft?

3.) Trade Reuben Droughns - offseason result: Draft Maurice Clarett in 3rd round

I'll try to be unbiased as possible about this...we traded Droughns because he wanted a new contract, has Drew Rosenhaus as his agent, and this is now Tatum's time at RB. Mauirce may SEEM like a changed guy, but has there been anything concrete over the past couple weeks to make you really think that he won't get out of line? What if he has a good year, we'll be right back to where we were with Droughns with him wanting a new contract. We have Tatum, Q, Anderson already, why not wait until day 2 to select a RB? Fason, Houston, Barber? Guys that have produced at the college level without screwing up there college career and have actually played the past 2 seasons.

4.) Sign Ian Gold - offseason result: Move DJ Williams to SLB

Just great...not only do we overpay for Ian Gold, who left us in the first place, but we're once again compensating by moving a good WLB to strongside, ala John Mobley. Not only did we bend over to his contract demands, we bent over and took his demands of playing WLB as well. D.J. Williams is a potential ALL-PRO WLB, much like John Mobley was an ALL-PRO WLB, and Ian is just going to come in here and tell him to start bulking up and start learning how to play SLB. If it works out then great, DJ has a ton of talent and many think he'll be able to play SLB with the best of them, but is it a sure thing? NO.

These are just the big things that have gone on to the Denver Broncos this offseason. If you would look at these additions, you have to ask yourself if we really improved? I don't think we have, because every single one of those moves has a lot of questions marks by them, we didn't pull in a for sure lock this offseason, just a bunch of HOPE.

I personally don't blame guys for saying 6-10 or 7-9, because that's where we'll be if some of these risky moves don't pan out. Say the Cleveland DL still is a bust, or DJ can't perform up to his potential at SLB, then what? What if our CB's that we drafted don't live up to expectations in their first year and we get toasted in the air by Oakland, or Kansas City, or we make the playoffs and get toasted by Indianapolis again? Then what?

Blind homers are always nice to have, but don't criticize other people for not feeling the same way, these are all risky moves built on hope, and the reality is to take these moves with a voice of reason and caution.

HINDSIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're 1 for 5... not exactly passing!

[sirhcyennek81]

Whoa...Gold pans out, Walls on the way out, clarrett cut, rookies playing like all stars...who knew...

[Atlas]

It's funny how Denver has had Backtoback 10-6. They have added alot of players this year and are close to being an elite team but yet there is so much negativity surrounding the team. Spoiled F*$&#ing rotten is what we are.
Quoting myself is so wrong

[sirhcyennek81]

Especially when you were so right.

[Atlas]

Plummer has to play better if Denver is goingto win the West. There is no other way to look at it.

Plummer has played great

[sirhcyennek81]

You bored, atlas?

[Broncoman13]

Plummer has played great


Should I quote some of your MoC posts???

:~ohyah!:

[sirhcyennek81]

Broncos did improve where they needed to. I dont exactly understand why fans of this team are so negative. How can you not like what shanahan has done? Warren and Brown are basically in for extended tryouts, if they do not succeed, they are gone. simple. Myers and Ekuban are good rotational players, and you could have a decent third down rush line of Pryce, Brown, Ekuban and Palepoi. Someone will get there. Secondary gained youth and speed, and instead of two strong safeties in our defensive backfield, we now have a true free safety in ferguson. Gold is an upgrade over spragan, we lose size, but gain speed, and he changes how offenses view our defense. you have pryce and gold coming for the qb on the same side of the field, potentially pulling three blockers away from warren, brown and pope. i like this offseason, i liked this draft. Broncos are the most consistent team in the afc west, standing wise, time to make the jump, win the division and get a home playoff game at Mile High.

Oh man...i am prophetic...

[Rock Chalk]

We were as bad as anybody in the NFL in the red zone last year (except maybe Jacksonville) and we did nothing to address that.

Ron Dayne the goalline back. I love it. Ever seen him play?
Gotta love threads like these. Even Slappy was wrong a time or two. Granted, not on Dayne, but in the fact that we have greatly improved in the red zone. Mike Anderson turned out to be a decent goal line back and, you know, there was still the roll out, Rod Smith, Jeb and Stephen "one handed amazing catch" Alexander.

Oh, and add to the fact that 4 out of 5 guys on our O-line are kicking ass while the one guy that isn't kicking ass is still holding his own.

I don't know thaat they are more talented than last year, Droughns is doing well outside of Denver so he might be just a legitimate RB (well wishes Reub! Loved ya as a Bronc!), anyway, the point is, the team just seems to be playing better as a unit. Same wavelength. Smoking the same dealer's herb.

[Atlas]

Denver, since 2000, has been the most consistent of the afc went teams, finishing second damn near every single year. time to move up. Tired of this wildcard BS. Team has more talent on this roster then a 10-6 record. No excuses, get it done.

They are they are!!

[Atlas]

Should I quote some of your MoC posts???

:~ohyah!:

I posted that Clarret would shut up Chef fan after he hung a 100 on them. I stand by that remark. If Clarret started for Denver he would have hung 100 on the chefs. Can anyone disagree with that??? Tom the Milkman could put up a 100 on the Chefs if Denver signed him.

[-Slap-]

Oh Slap your going to hate this bump, along with a couple of others.
I could give a rat's ass. If you want to cherry pick a thread where I'm basically taunting the hell out of Jake for my own amusement, that's fine with me.

Until recently, I averaged several posts a day on this board. Some of them optimistic, some pessimistic, some indulging whatever my particular mood that day.

Threads like this are the closest you can come to grabbing anyone's interest around here (outside of the soft core porn), so I say go for what you know, scrub.

[Atlas]

just admiting you were wrong is suffice

[Rock Chalk]

I could give a rat's ass. If you want to cherry pick a thread where I'm basically taunting the hell out of Jake for my own amusement, that's fine with me.

Until recently, I averaged several posts a day on this board. Some of them optimistic, some pessimistic, some indulging whatever my particular mood that day.

Threads like this are the closest you can come to grabbing anyone's interest around here (outside of the soft core porn), so I say go for what you know, scrub.
Bah, if you cant laugh at your own idiocy, how can you laugh at others?

[-Slap-]

just admiting you were wrong is suffice
Just pointing out that cheap crap like this and your soft core avatars are about all you're able to contribute to this board.

If you weren't such a weasel, you might admit that the thread you bumped was the culmination of a week long pissing match between Jake and myself. So, go **** yourself, Atlas. Sell some more pickled eggs to the losers in your Tejas ****hole.

[baja]

I could give a rat's ass. If you want to cherry pick a thread where I'm basically taunting the hell out of Jake for my own amusement, that's fine with me.

Until recently, I averaged several posts a day on this board. Some of them optimistic, some pessimistic, some indulging whatever my particular mood that day.

Threads like this are the closest you can come to grabbing anyone's interest around here (outside of the soft core porn), so I say go for what you know, scrub.

Where is that thread where you are excited about the off season moves anyway?

[Atlas]

Just pointing out that cheap crap like this and your soft core avatars are about all you're able to contribute to this board.

If you weren't such a weasel, you might admit that the thread you bumped was the culmination of a week long pissing match between Jake and myself. So, go **** yourself, Atlas. Sell some more pickled eggs to the losers in your Tejas ****hole.

I didn't bump this thread Garcia did.

avatar smack is getting old anyhow

[-Slap-]

I didn't bump this thread Garcia did. loser
Well, you got the reaction you wanted, now you can go bump your dick in the corner, jackass.

RawAnus, this is the last ****ing thread where you have room to talk, so pipe the **** down.

[-Slap-]

Where is that thread where you are excited about the off season moves anyway?
I'm not your ****ing errand boy. Go look for one. Or don't. All the same to me.

[Atlas]

Well, you got the reaction you wanted, now you can go bump your dick in the corner, jackass.

RawAnus, this is the last ****ing thread where you have room to talk, so pipe the **** down.

RawAnus??? Aren't we in a foul mood tonight. Your so unpredictable. I wasn't making fun of your prediction I just posted it with a bunch of others. That is why Garcia bumped this thread so we could look back at what people said. So you were wrong it wasn't the first time. It's not that big a deal you need to relax

[baja]

I'm not your ****ing errand boy. Go look for one. Or don't. All the same to me.

Shoot the messenger if you like but I for one think it is a hoot to see these old "The sky is falling" threads.

You and several others blasted endlessly the FO's off season moves and now you want to get all pissy when someone brings back the reminder of just how wrong you and others were. Seems to me the thing to do might be to take your ribbing and be thankful you were dead wrong after all would you rather be 7 and 2 or right?

[Pezman]

Hell, I'll admit, I never thought this team was capable of a 12-4 season. In some ways, I still feel that way. We gotta get the big W over either the Cowboys, Chargers or Chefs if we expect to be considered legitimate in my mind. Should make for an interesting end.

[Atlas]

Hell, I'll admit, I never thought this team was capable of a 12-4 season. In some ways, I still feel that way. We gotta get the big W over either the Cowboys, Chargers or Chefs if we expect to be considered legitimate in my mind. Should make for an interesting end.

I think Denver is going to beat the Chefs. The Cowboys are beatable and the Chargers will already be eliminated from the Playoffs the last week of the season.

[Pezman]

I think Denver is going to beat the Chefs. The Cowboys are beatable and the Chargers will already be eliminated from the Playoffs the last week of the season.

All the more reason to fear all three IMO. Setup wins, especially considering that two of them are on the road, make for some ugly losses.

Lets hope we can take down at least KC in their pad and I'll feel better about our chances.

[Atlas]

All the more reason to fear all three IMO. Setup wins, especially considering that two of them are on the road, make for some ugly losses.

Lets hope we can take down at least KC in their pad and I'll feel better about our chances.

Winning is KC is going to be wonderful.

[Gcver2ver3]

Wow....I am amazed at how negative some of you were over the off-season

I was unaware of this board back then....but I LOVED our offseason moves and only thought the media disapproved.....

As quickly as I say that I also have to admit that after the Dolphin loss I was fit to be tied...I thought we sucked and would maybe go 5-11...

I wanted Shanahan fired and wanted Coyer fired also (this was also before I joined this board)....so I can't brag about being positive in May..... when I was suicidal in September.....

Great idea bumping this thread...it is making for some good reading....

[Dukes]

Winning is KC is going to be wonderful.

Almost as wonderful as staring at Kyla Cole everyday Ha!

[baja]

I was hoping like hell we would sign both Brown and Big money when we were pursuing them. I also loved the Gold signing. had a wait and see attitude about the three corners.

[Gcver2ver3]

I could give a rat's ass. If you want to cherry pick a thread where I'm basically taunting the hell out of Jake for my own amusement, that's fine with me.

Until recently, I averaged several posts a day on this board. Some of them optimistic, some pessimistic, some indulging whatever my particular mood that day.

Threads like this are the closest you can come to grabbing anyone's interest around here (outside of the soft core porn), so I say go for what you know, scrub.


Wow.....lighten up man...I don't think Atlas was trying to pick on you...

I think it is just some harmless fun of realizing how many of us felt about Denver ealier this year...

[baja]

I also wanted to keep Middlebrooks Oh well

[Dukes]

I also wanted to keep Middlebrooks Oh well

That reminds me, I haven't seen or heard of Engleberger in a while. Anyone know whats up with him?

[DB-Freak]

Let's wait until the season is over first.

[baja]

Let's wait until the season is over first.

Why the proof is in regardless of the rest of the season.

[Crushaholic]

That reminds me, I haven't seen or heard of Engleberger in a while. Anyone know whats up with him?

good question...and I don't have a good answer. If he's sitting on the bench as "depth", we are in pretty good shape. That guy is good...

[Atlas]

Almost as wonderful as staring at Kyla Cole everyday Ha!

Just another sleezy porn avatar that angers all the old timers around here.

[Atlas]

That reminds me, I haven't seen or heard of Engleberger in a while. Anyone know whats up with him?

He is getting playing time I see him on the field he just isn't making any plays.

[24champ]

Just pointing out that cheap crap like this and your soft core avatars are about all you're able to contribute to this board.

If you weren't such a weasel, you might admit that the thread you bumped was the culmination of a week long pissing match between Jake and myself. So, go **** yourself, Atlas. Sell some more pickled eggs to the losers in your Tejas ****hole.

:crazy: Somebody complaining about Atlas avatars? Wonder if Blart hacked into slap's account......just sayin.

[broncohaven]

This is great stuff. Slap, you're taking the OM a little seriously, I think. Try on a smile once in awhile. Sadly you're responses to this bumo have served only to solidify your assinine comments in May.

[maven]

Let's wait until the season is over first.

I agree completely. We're 7-2, not 12-4 or 13-3 or 14-2. There's still plenty to be played. I'm excited as is, but the season still has 6 games left. Now when first round byes are a realistic possibility, that's something to get real excited about.

Some of you cannot take criticism & that's pretty weak.

[SoCalBronco]

It was all part of the plan......:)

[TD4HOF]

Fascinating read for a newbie. I consider myself pretty fair-minded and not at all homer-istic, and I thought the moves were solid and that our D was going to be great. Quite a shock to see the training camp press fart a steaming load onto the Broncos, and now again with some fans. Really? The End is Near? I'll never believe Shanny's gone to crap until it actually happens, man. He got to where he is for a reason. Let's say it all together now, the best H-C in Denver Broncos history.

[Dukes]

the best H-C in Denver Broncos history.

I think that goes without saying

[Odysseus]

We are a few players away. Unfortunately those players happen to be Walter Payton, Johnny Unitas and Deacon Jones.

I wonder if we could get Deacon Jones to suit up? We had Jerry Rice? It would be hilarious to see the press conference.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/questions/deaconjones.html

Deacon Jones is a tough guy's tough guy. The Hall of Fame defensive end was the anchor of the Los Angeles Rams' "Fearsome Foursome," and never met a quarterback he liked. In fact, Jones is widely credited with inventing the term "quarterback sack."

An eight-time Pro Bowl selection, Jones revolutionized the role of the pass rusher and was named the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year in 1967 and 1968.

Page 2's Kevin Jackson caught up with Jones on Tuesday at the ESPY Celebrity Golf Classic, sharing a table with fellow tough guys Lee Majors, James Garner, Paul Hornung and Alice Cooper. We learned that Deacon hasn't lost one bit of his feistiness.

1. Who's the toughest athlete in sports today?

Jones: I'd have to....

[Odysseus]

Yes. They could have done a LOT better as well. Believe it!

I think a lot of the fixes on Special Teams (which are anticipated not actualized) should provide this team a little better stability whether the DL takes a crap or not this year.

I don't think this team is dominant but I think because they fixed some of their real depth issues they are going to be a little tougher down the stretch.

Jake is better than expected but it's far deeper than that.

Defense is tackling much better than last year. We had some of star players tackling like crap last year including Champ and Al Wilson.

Our Offensive line is better than last year with literally the same guys.

Our Defensive line is a LOT better than last year. Our annual incarnation of Defensive line seems to be pretty good.

Our Special Teams is a LOT better than last year.

Our Cornerbacks turned out to be starters.

Jake still needs a backup. BVP needs to get some seasoning, smarts and mentoring. He can stay in the background for the next five years for all I care. It's just good to have players on deck.

If you don't think Shanahan raised some of the same urgent issues the fans talked about you are mistaken. Shanahan wants all the players to know they can be replaced. You don't want to play for the Broncos just raise your hand. We'll find a suitable place for you. Broncos cleaned house in the off season and the one thing they fixed was attitude and it's refreshing.

[Dukes]

Jake is better than expected but it's far deeper than that.

Defense is tackling much better than last year. We had some of star players tackling like crap last year including Champ and Al Wilson.

Our Offensive line is better than last year with literally the same guys.

Our Defensive line is a LOT better than last year. Our annual incarnation of Defensive line seems to be pretty good.

Our Special Teams is a LOT better than last year.

Our Cornerbacks turned out to be starters.

Jake still needs a backup. BVP needs to get some seasoning, smarts and mentoring. He can stay in the background for the next five years for all I care. It's just good to have players on deck.

If you don't think Shanahan raised some of the same urgent issues the fans talked about you are mistaken. Shanahan wants all the players to know they can be replaced. You don't want to play for the Broncos just raise your hand. We'll find a suitable place for you. Broncos cleaned house in the off season and the one thing they fixed was attitude and it's refreshing.

Did you just quote yourself? Ha!

[Odysseus]

Did you just quote yourself? Ha!

I would never do that! That would be incredibly self serving and trite. :laugh:

[Dukes]

I would never do that! That would be incredibly self serving and trite. :laugh:

Hilarious!

[yavoon]

Vindication is for little children who want attention..

[bendog]

They suck. Next year maybe we can get vermile or that offensive guru the rams will stupidly fire.

[Merlin]

They suck. Next year maybe we can get vermile or that offensive guru the rams will stupidly fire.
Is about time we got great coaching with an eye for talent.

[bendog]

In all seriousness, I don't doubt for a minute that Wabbit was correct in thinking that the 'original' plan blew up in shanny's face. He wanted to move Trevor and use the cap for a guard and a pass rush guy and draft dline in the first, even if he had to move up. DW was obviously high on the board, so one has to give shanny credit. The Bwonco gambit seems like a 'second plan.' But, nothing like thinking on his feet.

Most importantly, it's difficult to argue with the fact that shanny and kubes have worked on Jake, and it's paying off.

Whether they can get to the superbowl ... I dunno.

[TotallyScrewed]

I'm not down on Jake at all. He's playing quite well...really well, but one poor performing Jake scenario hasn't been faced yet. How does Jake play when behind by 7-10 in the final quarter? I should say, they only faced that once this year...Miami. Hopefully, he has learned to trust players not named Smith. Hopefully players not named Smith are able to step it up. Hopefully, they won't face that situation with a good running game and strong defense, yet it is a possibility and the outcome IS really an unknown. We've seen what happens in the past...IJS

[bronco militia]

Hell, I'll admit, I never thought this team was capable of a 12-4 season. In some ways, I still feel that way. We gotta get the big W over either the Cowboys, Chargers or Chefs if we expect to be considered legitimate in my mind. Should make for an interesting end.


no doubt....so far so good. I may have to start thinking about what I want to eat with my crow....

>:'(

[Merlin]

I'm not down on Jake at all. He's playing quite well...really well, but one poor performing Jake scenario hasn't been faced yet. How does Jake play when behind by 7-10 in the final quarter? I should say, they only faced that once this year...Miami. Hopefully, he has learned to trust players not named Smith. Hopefully players not named Smith are able to step it up. Hopefully, they won't face that situation with a good running game and strong defense, yet it is a possibility and the outcome IS really an unknown. We've seen what happens in the past...IJS
Actually, he alrady faced that against SD in the second game of the season, and Denver won scoring 10 pts in the latter half (both Dayne and Jake did a very nice job, not to mention the D).

[NFLBRONCO]

no doubt....so far so good. I may have to start thinking about what I want to eat with my crow....

>:'(


I for one have been impressed with this years team. I think we are different then years past but, we still must prove it in remaining games. I predicted we would gom 6-1 in last 7.

I'm not sure our draft needs change from last few years. OL DL WR FS are still needed. Pryce has a huge cap number in 06 and Warren is a FA so I expect we lose one but, maybe we lose two so DL remains high on our list until these issues are resolved.

[TotallyScrewed]

Actually, he alrady faced that against SD in the second game of the season, and Denver won scoring 10 pts in the latter half (both Dayne and Jake did a very nice job, not to mention the D).

I forgot about that one but really they weren't down by 7 in the fourth quarter and Bailey really turned the tide and turned-on the defense of record. True??

ESPN..."Champ Bailey won the game. Let's call it like it is," defensive end Trevor Pryce said. "It shows how one play can make such a big difference."
...
Dayne, meanwhile, was a surprise star -- coming off the bench after spending the first game on the inactive list and most of this one watching Mike Anderson run.

On the winning drive, Dayne ran for 13, 8, 3, 3 and 1 yards. Then, on fourth-and-1 from the San Diego 33, he took a pitch around left end for 10 to set up Elam's kick.

"It was a no-brainer to me, and our confidence level was there," coach Mike Shanahan said of the fourth-down gamble. "There was no doubt in my mind that we were going to go for it."


But reality is Jake didn't meltdown.
^5

[BroncoBuff]

http://www.sweatymountain.com/smilies/p.gif

[Merlin]

Bailey really turned the tide and turned-on the defense of record. True??... But reality is Jake didn't meltdown.

True, which is why I did mention the D (especially since they won it in the second half). However, the question was how would Jake handle it this yr, and as you noted in the end, "Jake didn't meltdown". As long as he manages himself, I think he is one of the better QBs in the game, especially in Denver's type of O.

[FADERPROOF]

HINDSIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're 1 for 5... not exactly passing!

Hey, I could care less if I was 4 out of 5, if I missed the Clarett pick being a bust then it would've been all for nothing.

Sadly, that was the easiest to predict, everyone said that I was just being biased and not giving this "changed man" a chance, but I kept saying that this is my unbiased take on him and low and behold...he's on the unemployment line.

Never cross THE Ohio State University.

[Bronx33]

Winning is KC is going to be wonderful.

I totally agree, and i think the cheffies are a bit worried about their once a year pretend SB win for smack talk in 06. (WE SPLIT! WE SPLIT!) we su** but WE SPLIT!. (not this year you sparkle jockey red homos)

[ludo21]

I LOVE Bringing back threads like these :)

Notice jake said everything we thought at first, DW a returner, rooks can learn for a year and so on.

BUT they have BLOWN UP and played TREMENDOUS!!! AWESOME!! :miltia:

[Bronx33]

I LOVE Bringing back threads like these :)

Notice jake said everything we thought at first, DW a returner, rooks can learn for a year and so on.

BUT they have BLOWN UP and played TREMENDOUS!!! AWESOME!! :miltia:


Folks simply hated the gold signing, i personally liked it.

[Alkazar]

Rhymesayers, get rid of that avatar, its a disgrace to the Orange and Blue!

[Dukes]

Folks simply hated the gold signing, i personally liked it.

I think most were angry about the huge check he got. More so than him actually coming back

[Bronx33]

I think most were angry about the huge check he got. More so than him actually coming back

Special teams has not been an issue like last year, i say money well spent.^5

[orange 4 life]

wow.
i had forgot all about this thread.

at this point we need to all stay together and appreciate the position we're in.
who was right and who was wrong really isnt important, and the season is far from over.

i know alot of people are counting sunday as a win before we play, but i for one am nervous, and simply BECAUSE everyone is already counting it as a win.
that and the fact that the staff is ALSO preparing for dallas, so i wouldnt expect a very creative gameplan.

for those wanting to see plummer "take over", this may be the week.
the gameplan should be fairly vanilla, and the jets for all their faults do pretty well against the run.

as for the comments about what jake will do when he's down, we've seen that already.
not this season (except to some degree against san diego, but that was of course largely champs interception), but we've seen it.
we went down three scores to san diego and were it not for that pick and the later watts drop he had the comeback completed (despite two picks that were right off our own receivers hands).

against atlanta, our defense caved in in the second quarter, and despite that, plummer threw for 500 yards and had us to where we could cut it to 6 were it not for watts' drop in the endzone.

against oakland he took us down the field for the winning score- dropped ball and blocked kick.

against j-ville he drove us down the field in the final minutes- griffin fumble

against cleveland the year before he completed the long pass to lelie and we won in the games final seconds.

he's shown what he can do when the game is on the line.
he's also shown that he can shake off a bad play and come right back with confidence.
whether you started the season with confidence in plummer or not isnt the point. the point is that we can all have confidence in him now.
time to take care of business sunday, and time for all of us fans to get together, get orange, and get loud.

:Broncos:
jake

[Odysseus]

Never cross THE Ohio State University.

If you see him pushing carts down by the Wal-Mart whack him in the head with a snowball.

What's he going to do? Run after you?


thwack Clarett sux! Better yet use an ugly stick. It won't hurt nothing.

[Atlas]

I think most were angry about the huge check he got. More so than him actually coming back

Most people were angry because it was Gold they hated him. Calling him midget ect.. ect.. ect.. some how it got personal.

[BroncoInferno]

In all seriousness, I don't doubt for a minute that Wabbit was correct in thinking that the 'original' plan blew up in shanny's face. He wanted to move Trevor and use the cap for a guard and a pass rush guy and draft dline in the first, even if he had to move up. DW was obviously high on the board, so one has to give shanny credit. The Bwonco gambit seems like a 'second plan.' But, nothing like thinking on his feet.

Most importantly, it's difficult to argue with the fact that shanny and kubes have worked on Jake, and it's paying off.

Whether they can get to the superbowl ... I dunno.

To be fair though, I don't think any team goes into the offseason with an iron-clad, can't miss plan. There are too many variables and unknowns for that. A team has to know that some of what they would like to do is not going to work, and make contingency plans. Seems to me that even if particularly aspects of "the plan" did not work, that they were prepared for that possibility and did not panic, and in the end made a series of very solid moves. Looks like Shanny has gotten his mojo back.