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watermock
04-28-2005, 10:31 AM
These opinions are only mine and not a reflection of the Orange Mane.

Forget the Draft. We got a great special teamer in Williams and a possible star in Clarett. Maybe.

Now to the core of the apple.

As much as people want to dance around it, everything starts with Jake. I said it was a sideways move, but....we paid his roster bonus, he's here for the next few years. For better or worse, he is our QB, no matter how much Taco whines about it. Jake is Jake. Freaking Deal with it. He's got good legs, isn't a dumbass, and tries hard. If we can keep him from throwing lefthanded passes to defensive linemen we will be fine.

RB: This area really concerns me. So many variables here, it's hard to sort out. I have zero confidence in TaterTot, I think his shoulder should of been put back together in the offseason. Clarett seems willing and bright eyes like he's ready to rumble. Or is that the lawyer in him at this point. We will see.

I think we will me Droughns, but have some depth here. I don't see a niche for Mike Anderson, and Q is a joke IMO. The great Dayne is still in the mix. I have never been so confused about the RB spot, but we have some horses. One will step up.

OL:

This is another mixed bag. Again we bring another rag tag bunch to the line. Lepsis was better than people realize, but not dominant. Hamilton was solid but not dominant. Nalen showed some wear and tear, but was solid. Neil is in a wheelchair, and Cooper filled in, but isn't the answer. Foster looked decent but not dominating at RT, but still has upside. Mock says leave him where he is and get a top notch LT in the draft next year. Leave well enough alone, that leads me to:

Linebacker!

This is where the condom meats the road, or something like that. Mock is very happy here. Gold was overpaid, but brings good effort. We know that Big Al is a team leader, DJ is a monster, and we have Predator, Pierce and Sykes in the wings. Our strongest suit. Not to mention our DC is a Backer coach. This won't be a problem at all.

DL:

Who the hell knows, if anyone does, let me know. It might be better than it looks right now. We will see if C. Brown can get out of his wheelchair. Regardless, Warren is a big ass to set down the point of attack and can be motivated by a 9 volt battery in his butt. (is that legal?)

Regardless, the line has a ton of talent. The obvious keys are if Pryce is as healthy as he says, and if C. Brown can come back from a bad foot injury. In any case, we have a good rotation. I'm more hopefull for the DL in quite a while. We better have a good one, because....:

Here comes our Secondary!

First, I think Champ is so overpaid, he's like a Michael Jackson guest. That said, he holds solid at his spot. I never was sold on Walls, and he is on the last year of his contract. Sam Brandon never even saw the field. Roc Alexander was toasted by Reggie Wayne. Lynch is old and slow. Kennedy is gone. We have 38 unproven corners on the roster.

Tefonahan tried to adress this whole mess, but it's still a mess. I don't know if Willie Nellies knee will get back, or the midget we drafted, or if Browner can cover a toaster oven. This is a huge problem, and give Shanahan some credit for trying to address it with Champ and a bunch of picks. I'm just not sure he has stopped the bleeding. Not till we can intercept Manning or put him on his back.

WR:

When I saw Rod Smith return a punt for a touchdown, I freaked out. What a Champion. That said, we get a litte runt corner who should, hopfully take that out of the mix.

Rod Smith is Ring of Fame IMO. Couple spats with his girlfriend, otherwise, he's the real soul of the Broncos. I think he has one or two left in him.

Lelie seems to be waking up and might start to understand that it's anyone ball, he has to still learn to fight for the ball, especially with the Jakester tossing it around. Go get the damn ball dawg. It's like asking Beezlebug to bring back his string.

All I think of Watts is he was a reach, a twig, and has bad hands. I have no use for him whatsoever. There, I said it.

Putz will continue to work hard and well, that's the Putz. I just hope his blocking is improving so he can stay on the field instead of House and the Great White Hape.

Coaching and Ownership:

It's hard to blame Bowlen. Yeah, he has to keep his trophy wife and team winning, but do you think he's hurting? I think he's great.

Teflonahan: Well, I dunno, he is starting to look more like Shula every day. However, I don't see anything about him to tell me that he isn't still pushing. Despite our stuggles, I still consider him a top 5 coach. We are spoiled honestly. I watch the HornHeads and Mike Tice. enough allready.

Coyer. Old School to the max. I wasn't a big fan, and he's stubborn, but knows what works. Resilient isn't the word for this guy, but he might need a frash mind next to him. Maybe Burnsie?

Kubiak: I can barely type. I think his red zone schemes are totally idiotic, he brings in cold players for his stupid formations, and is generally a nice guy. He needed to be fired years ago. He's hooked to the hip with Shanahan, but that is my opinion on him. He has literally NO CLUE how to adjust at halftime. Our red zone is horrific. Kubiak is a fine person, and decent coach, and I guess that he's just following orders from above, but damn dude, get a ****ing clue. There is more to life than Patrick Hape and the 5 wide. Why does our entire offense that marches down the field suddenly change into a rendition of the death dirge? I'm calling out names here like Stalin. I'm tired of it.

Maybe Big Mo Clarett can change things.

That's it for now. Thanks for putting me on ignore.

SoCalBronco
04-28-2005, 10:37 AM
Great post Mock.

TheReverend
04-28-2005, 10:39 AM
I think you're too into your cats.

Tatum will be a break away back until he gets hurt (hopefully thats an if) and I think our 2ndary is a LOT more solid than you give credit too... they just need to that DLine to give quarterbacks less than 4 minutes in the pocket and I think we fixed that. Its all detroit from here

orange crusher
04-28-2005, 10:48 AM
Good analysis Mock. I do think Watts has better hands than a lot of people think though. The kid was just going through some first year jitters.

DB-Freak
04-28-2005, 10:50 AM
Good analysis Mock. I do think Watts has better hands than a lot of people think though. The kid was just going through some first year jitters.
Watts does have great hands I mean really good ones ........ Last year was more like concentration issues. He was great with Marshall.

Rohirrim
04-28-2005, 10:56 AM
Funny AND informative. What more can be said. I look forward to much more Nintendo in seasons to come. I especially like the "cold players in stupid formations" part.

watermock
04-28-2005, 11:08 AM
Watts does have great hands I mean really good ones ........ Last year was more like concentration issues. He was great with Marshall.

Excuses are like assholes like me. I think he was a real reach in round 2, but hopefully I'm wrong.

And Yes, Bezzlebub is cooking on his electric blanket. Oh, I forgot to turn him over, he's overdone...

DB-Freak
04-28-2005, 11:12 AM
Excuses are like assholes like me. I think he was a real reach in round 2, but hopefully I'm wrong.

And Yes, Bezzlebub is cooking on his electric blanket. Oh, I forgot to turn him over, he's overdone...
Excuses?

Its a common thing with WR. At least three years motto.

You thinking him being a reach doesnt matter much since its your own opinion.

watermock
04-28-2005, 11:22 AM
When he snags a low pass across the middle and takes it to the house let me know. We all saw him drop passes. Rookie Jitters?

The NFL doesn't have time for Rookie Jitters.

After 3 years? I hope you understand that anything but a first rounder comes into a contract year after 3 years. And that is assuming he pans out. When I see the guy, I see Todd Pinkston.

Mediator12
04-28-2005, 11:24 AM
When he snags a low pass across the middle and takes it to the house let me know. We all saw him drop passes. Rookie Jitters?

The NFL doesn't have time for Rookie Jitters.

When Jake hits him in stride let me know. All I remember is the guy having to leave his feet, turn in mid air, and reach back for balls all last year.

Rock Chalk
04-28-2005, 11:35 AM
When Jake hits him in stride let me know. All I remember is the guy having to leave his feet, turn in mid air, and reach back for balls all last year.
I remember him dropping a pass in the end zone that would have won the game and it was right in his hands.

Selective memory I guess.

watermock
04-28-2005, 11:38 AM
"All I remember is the guy having to leave his feet, turn in mid air, and reach back for balls all last year."

Welcome to Jakesville. Like I said, get used to it.

watermock
04-28-2005, 11:43 AM
I remember him dropping a pass in the end zone that would have won the game and it was right in his hands.

Selective memory I guess.

In all fairness, the pass was low and behind him, a tougher catch than it appears, but he HAS to make that catch. Low and behind trying to make a basket catch isn't what this cat was designed for.

Still, he has to go on his knee or something to adjust. I'm not bashing the rookie as much as you people think, but I think we could of done better at that pick.

"Puts the orange glasses on"

"Watts was a great pick and has excellent speed, he's just developing into an all-pro!"

Rock Chalk
04-28-2005, 11:45 AM
In all fairness, the pass was low and behind him, a tougher catch than it appears, but he HAS to make that catch. Low and behind trying to make a basket catch isn't what this cat was designed for.

Still, he has to go on his knee or something to adjust. I'm not bashing the rookie as much as you people think, but I think we could of done better at that pick.

"Puts the orange glasses on"

"Watts was a great pick and has excellent speed, he's just developing into an all-pro!"

Whatever, the ball was in his f*cking hands and he dropped it. Low and behind hell, he adjusted well and the ball was in his hands. NFL receivers dont drop balls in their hands in the end zone when the game is on the line.

watermock
04-28-2005, 11:47 AM
Brian Griese was sitting out there and we just let him get signed by Gruden for peanuts.

Ballhawk
04-28-2005, 12:45 PM
Good accurate post Mock...except for a few areas.

WR- Watts was a rookie and I do not think he had a bad year. Lelie had a case of the drops his rookie year also. He has the ability to create seperation, we all saw that. Hopefully he will get back to the fundamentals and use his hands to snatch the ball instead of letting it hit his hands.

TE- Alexander will be an improvement over House for third downs.

CB- Still think the three we drafted have more atheticism than Walls or Herdon, who Coyer turned in to solid starters...we will see what he does here.

RB- I never worry about this spot. Dayne and MC should both benefit from the zone blocking, so we will be above average both talent and depth wise.

OL- Major concern, but at least our top backup at OT is no longer House.

DL- Sorry can't help dont know how this will play out, but like you I feel we have more upside on the line than we have had in quite a while.

QB- Really hoping Mauck takes the next step and unseats DK from #2.

Orange4Life
04-28-2005, 12:47 PM
I think Watts will be ok. He dropped some crucial balls last year. But he was a rookie and he was the most productive rookie WR we have had in years and years. He may have been a reach last year but thats not his fault. I'm willing to give him another year before I throw him to the fire.

bilrob
04-28-2005, 02:48 PM
Discussing the frailties of a couple of players is not important just now. A little more experience and practice will cure these mal functions. What is pertinent is what Moc mentioned in the original post, our illustrious OC. He is feckless!! Shanny has a great play book, established and proven over many years, its just that Kubiac doesn't know how to use it properly. The FO has drafted personel to fit a system, carefully solicited FA's for their talents. Kubiac is a decent QB coach and this is where he belongs, not as OC! Shanny should take over the job himself or find someone who has a little imaganation, especially in the RED ZONE It is obvious to me that our competition has figured out Kubiac and can predict what he will call is most circunstances. They read him like a book. Shanny has to correct this problem. We have the talent for another Super Bowl run if it is used right.

watermock
04-28-2005, 05:53 PM
Who said I threw Watts into Krystalnight with the books from Einstein. I just think me need some meat because Jake can't chuck it very well deep. Anyone who payed attention saw in 2003 several plays where we didn't connect with a long play, that looked like more than a hope and a prayer the Pope would live to be 90. We prayed, and we came up short.

God Dammit I am mad Minnesota passed on BMW. Now Mooch has him. It's days later and I'm still pissed off. BMW would of been the perfect fit for our offense.

Anyway, everyone who gives a crap about what I think, I have upgraded our team from 9-7 to 10-6. I also reserve the right to change my mind like a woman.

There were more good moves than our hungry fans realize. We got some depth on the OL, we threw more CBs at the problem, our LB's look excellent and have depth, and the Cleveland fab 4 should at least make print. We have tons of DL, we just need to get them out of the whirlpool.

Our secondary is our secondary. We have about 50 of those guys running around. We need to take a few on the back of the neck and slap them around to wake them up. It's totally open game with the secondary. Throw them in a cage or something, let Burnsie be the ref.

Hogan11
04-28-2005, 06:02 PM
I think Watts will be ok. He dropped some crucial balls last year. But he was a rookie and he was the most productive rookie WR we have had in years and years. He may have been a reach last year but thats not his fault. I'm willing to give him another year before I throw him to the fire.


Another year or two really......Lelie was on the doorstep of being thrown into the fire by most last year at this time and he snapped out of it......if Ash can do it, then so can Watts.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2005, 06:46 PM
I just don't know how people can get down on a rookie WR. I don't think any Jags fans are calling for Reggie Williams head and he worse stats then Watts. Watts finished 2nd in the AFC for rookie WR's as well. Like all players there will be growing pains. Its a part of football. Also again how do posters here know that other teams wouldn't have taken him shortly after we took him? Anywas I like Watts and he will improve this year.

Rascal
04-28-2005, 07:08 PM
Offense:
I think we need to find a replacement for Rod Smith soon. He isn't going to be able to keep on contributing like he has. Watts and Lelie are to much alike...we need somebody who can go over the middle and get that crucial catch on third down.

Everything else for position players on offense if fine. That line is a different question. Despite a lot of people here I have little to no confidence in Cooper Carlisle. The guy has horrible technique and gets beaten to the point of attack way to often. Hamilton isn't much better but I give him the benefit of the doubt since he is technically a center. Nalen is on his last legs and this could be his last. We have two holes at guard basically (cooper's who should be a backup, and Hamilton's when Nalen retires). Myers might be the answer for one but who knows at this point. We need to sign a vet cause the backups are horrible. PJ Alexander...please.

Woudn't mind a replacement for Jake in the fold but I think we have bigger problems (insert OL and WR here).

Defense:
Like Mock said I think the talent on the d-line is there more so then in year's past. Let's see how this season goes and re-evaluate.

LB's...the strength of the team. Leave it alone.

Secondary: Walls is probably gone next year if he has anything close to a decent year. Hopefully one of the guys we've picked up recently will replace him. Lynch is playing on borrowed time and Fergy is a question mark at this point. We must either develop a replacement for Lynch of Fergy this year or pick up a FA to fill at least one of those positions next year.

Coaching...can Kubes. I don't know how many times last year Shack and I were predicting what plays we would be running....we were probably batting about 66%.
Coyer...keep the man till proven otherwise...besides I like him.

ST: Hopefully one of these three punters will be worth a damn and Williams is 1/2 of what Dante Hall is.

WaffleBoy
04-28-2005, 07:20 PM
Great post Mock.

Homer. Jake couldn't take advantage of a crappy Colts defense or the Chefs defense.

The Boy Wonder :super:

watermock
04-28-2005, 07:41 PM
Waffle, I named you. Your not a bad fan, just a stupid one.

Waffle, when you come to the mane, your swiming with the sharks. It's not a fishtank, it's a boiler-room.

If I have ever offendend anyone, rest assured, it was intentional.

Mock has called the last two seasons exactly.

Vikings go 11-5 and win the Norris Division...

Hey wait a second, where am I?

This team might be better or worse. With the rule changes, we hope and pray. Maybe Big Mo can make a diference in the red zone.

We certainly do scramble the chips don't we.

The Broncos Riule!! I get mad at them like a father with his kid.

Go HornHeads!....oops

Go Broncos!!

SoCalBronco
04-28-2005, 07:47 PM
Homer. Jake couldn't take advantage of a crappy Colts defense or the Chefs defense.

The Boy Wonder :super:

So how many straight home AFC title games have the steelers lost?

Rascal
04-28-2005, 08:18 PM
Are you still swallowing 1/2 a pint per day from Big Ben or have you sucked him dry yet?






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