King Says Shanahan Wanted Matt Jones If We Had a No 1 Pick

[Bronco_Beerslug]

On PTI. Peter King just now saying that. I would have liked that too!

[Ballhawk]

Seems like Shanny had a good feel for the draft. No Mock I saw had Jones going earlier than 25th, yet Shanny felt he would not be there and traded out. Good Job Shanny!

[Arkie]

The Great Blue North (http://www.gbnreport.com/2005projection.htm) had Matt going #23 to Seattle. I knew he would go higher than the media/fans had anticipated. It seem like all the teams that wanted him were trying to figure out when to pick him before somebody else would.

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

Matt Jones would have fit great in Denver....now wait and watch the JAGS misuse him and we will send them our 4th rounder for him ....

[Dukes]

Ya well Peter King also said that Plummer would be league MVP before last season began............

[Drek]

He directly quoted Shanahan as saying that he'd be salivating over Jones if he still had a first.

Couldn't have liked him that much, we didn't move up after him in a draft where everyone wanted to bail out.

[Arkansas Bronco]

We didnt have anything to move up with. We sure dont want to trade washingtons #1 for next year and ours #1 for next year wouldnt be enough so we would have to add more and come out behind. I wanted Jones also but i didnt see anything we had to move up for him... On the other hand i wish we would have traded up a bit in the 2nd and grabbed D. Cody.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I called that. I knew Shanny would see Jones as a weapon in our offense. Glad we traded out because I would have been pissed seeing him go to Jax had we had the 25 pick.

SSJ

[cbs1177]

No one wanted Matt Jones more on our team than I but since he went at 21, i feel better on the other hand I can't figure out why we needed to draft three CB in a row. does Shanny feel that insecure about getting a decent CB

[stoxman]

Make that 4 CB or S projections and yes, if you had wasted 2 number ones on the likes of Middlebrooks and O'Neal then follow up with stiffs like LaSEWER and Schoate--you'd probably feel a tad insecure on your abilities to draft the position.

I like the mindset though--let all these blazers duke it out with my Browner kicking Sam Brandon to the curb!

[Jason in LA]

I've never been sold on Jones. At this point he's just a workout warrior. How many times have we seen these workout warriors move way up the draft boards because of a great combine, but then flop as a pro? Jones had decent reports coming out of the Sr. Bowl, where they actually played football. If he was so great wouldn't they have seen it there, instead of at the combine. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on a guy like that.

Maybe this guy turns into a good player. I'm not saying he won't. I'm just pointing out that there have been other cases just like Jones that didn't work out.

[Arkie]

What is the definition of a workout warrior? Matt Jones is a great football player. Matt Jones is CLUTCH.

Nick Saban coached against Matt four times. Saban said, "I think Arkansas probably won more games because of Matt Jones' contributions than maybe any other team in our league relative to any single player affecting their team as much as he did. I was really, really looking forward to the day that No. 9 graduated for Arkansas so we wouldn't have to play against him anymore."

Mack Brown, Texas HC, faced Jones twice. Brown said, "Matt Jones made, probably, more plays himself to single-handedly win a ball game than any other QB I've ever seen in any ballgame in my career. Time after time, when they had to have it, he delivered. My hat is off to that young man"

[Drek]

We didnt have anything to move up with. We sure dont want to trade washingtons #1 for next year and ours #1 for next year wouldnt be enough so we would have to add more and come out behind. Word has it Jacksonville really wanted to trade down, so I bet if we kept our first we could have moved up and it'd have only cost us our second, probably could have recouped a 3rd or a 4th and 5th too. After the trade obviously that was out of the question without giving our #1 next year and a 3rd or better this year, clearly not worth it.

[Antilles]

Word has it Jacksonville really wanted to trade down, so I bet if we kept our first we could have moved up and it'd have only cost us the 'skins 3rd.

of course if we had kept our first we wouldn't have had the skins 3rd...

[bronco militia]

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[Taco John]

Personally, I don't buy King's take. I've heard three or four different names now at who Shanahan had wanted, and among the most credible with me was the person who told me to buckle up and get ready for Shanahan to draft DBs early and often. It turns out, that's exactly what Shanahan did...

I will give King this... We could have just as easily made an offensive pick like Jones at #1, and still draft the way we did the rest of the way.

[bendog]

Yeah, but it'd have been true to shanny's form to take a reach with a late no1 in a weak draft. I think King has no clue, and is just making something up that has a true ring to it. A db in the first? With the new rules, I think it's all about pass rush.

[Jason in LA]

What is the definition of a workout warrior? Matt Jones is a great football player. Matt Jones is CLUTCH.

Nick Saban coached against Matt four times. Saban said, "I think Arkansas probably won more games because of Matt Jones' contributions than maybe any other team in our league relative to any single player affecting their team as much as he did. I was really, really looking forward to the day that No. 9 graduated for Arkansas so we wouldn't have to play against him anymore."

Mack Brown, Texas HC, faced Jones twice. Brown said, "Matt Jones made, probably, more plays himself to single-handedly win a ball game than any other QB I've ever seen in any ballgame in my career. Time after time, when they had to have it, he delivered. My hat is off to that young man"

A workout warrior is a guy that isn't projected really high until after his workouts. Matt Jones was an unknown until he had a great workout.

The things Saban said about Jones is true, for a college QB. But Jones won't be a QB on the pro level. Who knows if he can make the transition. His talents worked well in college, but may not work well in the pros.

Again, I'm not saying that Jones won't be good, I'm just saying that it's a big risk to spend a first round pick on a guy just because he had great workouts. Using a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be a low investment. But as a first rounder he's going to get paid a lot to play a position he hasn't played before. That's a big risk.

[TheNextStep]

Personally, I don't buy King's take. I've heard three or four different names now at who Shanahan had wanted, and among the most credible with me was the person who told me to buckle up and get ready for Shanahan to draft DBs early and often. It turns out, that's exactly what Shanahan did...

I actually heard that Denver had their sights set on both Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt, both of whom ended up going to the Raiders. I have no idea the truth to that... but the thought that we stole a couple of guys the Broncos wanted sure does appeal to me.

[bendog]

I believe wabbit said Fabian Washington was on our board.

btw, I think the kid will have a rough training camp

http://www.fabianforte.com/

[bloodsunday]

What is the definition of a workout warrior? Matt Jones is a great football player. Matt Jones is CLUTCH.

Nick Saban coached against Matt four times. Saban said, "I think Arkansas probably won more games because of Matt Jones' contributions than maybe any other team in our league relative to any single player affecting their team as much as he did. I was really, really looking forward to the day that No. 9 graduated for Arkansas so we wouldn't have to play against him anymore."

Mack Brown, Texas HC, faced Jones twice. Brown said, "Matt Jones made, probably, more plays himself to single-handedly win a ball game than any other QB I've ever seen in any ballgame in my career. Time after time, when they had to have it, he delivered. My hat is off to that young man"
Well Matt Jones isn't playing QB in the NFL. It's tougher win single-handedly and keep your head in the game when you don't touch ball every play. He could be a force, but a project nonetheless.

[Mediator12]

Williams was their first target in the second. Washington may have been a target if they kept that first rounder. Routt, who the heck knows, except the fact that the five fastest guys at CB went to the AFC west.

[bloodsunday]

I actually heard that Denver had their sights set on both Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt, both of whom ended up going to the Raiders. I have no idea the truth to that... but the thought that we stole a couple of guys the Broncos wanted sure does appeal to me.
I think Denver wanted those guys, but they apparently wanted any DB with speed. They took 3 of the 5 fasted DBs in the draft. I think they may be a bit happier with the guys they got because they all have better size than Washington. All of them are projects, IMO, so it doesn't really matter who got whom. Its a matter of developing them into NFL players now.

If anything you should be happing knowing that your acquisition of Moss was directly responsible for our draft, IMO. :woowoo: But you know what, I have a little confidence since we picked up Green Bay's former DB coach and had a chance to draft some players that we think stack up against Moss. Walls is a guy that gave Moss a hard time 2 years ago in the dome. Walls has the size and enough speed to hang with Moss, he just has to be on the field.

[TheNextStep]

I think Denver wanted those guys, but they apparently wanted any DB with speed. They took 3 of the 5 fasted DBs in the draft. I think they may be a bit happier with the guys they got because they all have better size than Washington. All of them are projects, IMO, so it doesn't really matter who got whom. Its a matter of developing them into NFL players now.

If anything you should be happing knowing that your acquisition of Moss was directly responsible for our draft, IMO. :woowoo:

Williams doesn't have better size than Washington. (not meant in 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' fashion, just sayin'...)

I do agree with you that both of our teams drafted guys who are going to need development. I personally think that Washington is the most NFL ready of the 5, but that's in part because Williams is just so freakin' short.

[Mile High Shack]

Williams doesn't have better size than Washington. (not meant in 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo' fashion, just sayin'...)

I do agree with you that both of our teams drafted guys who are going to need development. I personally think that Washington is the most NFL ready of the 5, but that's in part because Williams is just so freakin' short.

he's the same size as pac man jones

[TheNextStep]

he's the same size as pac man jones

And pac man jones is short.

[Mile High Shack]

And pac man jones is short.

and pacman jones was the first CB taken, that's all my point is, I know he is short

[TheNextStep]

and pacman jones was the first CB taken, that's all my point is, I know he is short

Hang on a second here... they aren't the same size. NFL.com lists Jones (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jones_adam) as 5'11"... and Williams (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/williams_darrent) at 5'8"

That's not remotely the same size.

[Mile High Shack]

Hang on a second here... they aren't the same size. NFL.com lists Jones (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/jones_adam) as 5'11"... and Williams (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/williams_darrent) at 5'8"

That's not remotely the same size.

ok then, it is someone else taken higher

either that or I'm insane, which could be a distinct possiblity

[Arkie]

I've seen Pacman listed at 5'-9" before.

[Mile High Shack]

I've seen Pacman listed at 5'-9" before.

that's what I thought

[Ballhawk]

Pacman is listed at just under 5'10 and Williams at just over 5'8.5" Pacman has a little over an inch heigth. Pacman has a more muscular build tho at around 200lbs.

[bendog]

let's be grateful shanny didn't have high enough pick to get him! We'd prolly have taken him no 1 overall (-:

[Mile High Shack]

let's be grateful shanny didn't have high enough pick to get him! We'd prolly have taken him no 1 overall (-:

get ready for two first round corners on our team next year

[Mediator12]

Not that it really matters but the combine had Jones at 5'10 1/4 and Williams at 5'8" 7/8. Seriously, a little over an Inch difference.

[TheNextStep]

ok then, it is someone else taken higher

either that or I'm insane, which could be a distinct possiblity

Yeah, you're insane. Darrent Williams was the shortest player taken to that point of the draft. The closest in height that was taken before him was J.J. Arrington, at 5'9"

Other 5'8" or shorter players were taken a little later:
Round 3 - Ryan Moats (RB), Scott Starks (CB)
Round 4 - Darren Sproles (RB, 5'6")
Round 5 - Eric King (CB)
Round 6 - Chad Owens (WR, 5'7")
Round 7 - Anthony Davis (RB, 5'7")

Don't worry about the insanity thing, though... it could be worse. You could have no life and go through NFL.com's draft tracker looking up height measurements for every player in the draft...

[Mile High Shack]

Not that it really matters but the combine had Jones at 5'10 1/4 and Williams at 5'8" 7/8. Seriously, a little over an Inch difference.

does an inch make the much of a difference?

[TheNextStep]

does an inch make the much of a difference?
Oh, God... I don't like the direction this conversation is heading...

I can just see Sassy's eyes lighting up, fingers itching to crack a joke...

[Mediator12]

does an inch make the much of a difference?

No. I just did not make that clear enough. Williams is not projected to be outside anyway. Strictly a top Slot CB and Returner. Foxworth and Paymah will battle it out for the outside nickle backup positions.

The Slot is a much needed postion in today's pass happy NFL. That guy will be playing roughly 55% of the snaps, More than the MLB of most teams.

[Mile High Shack]

No. I just did not make that clear enough. Williams is not projected to be outside anyway. Strictly a top Slot CB and Returner. Foxworth and Paymah will battle it out for the outside nickle backup positions.

The Slot is a much needed postion in today's pass happy NFL. That guy will be playing roughly 55% of the snaps, More than the MLB of most teams.
That is what I was thinking, he could take care of receivers like the white boy from Indy (dangit, can’t think of his name, I had him in fantasy football). Do you think Shanny and Coyer will have a problem with his attitude?

edit...name is Stokley

[Mile High Shack]

Oh, God... I don't like the direction this conversation is heading...

I can just see Sassy's eyes lighting up, fingers itching to crack a joke...
LOL, yeah, actually after I read it I expected Tred to jump on it

[Jason in LA]

Well Matt Jones isn't playing QB in the NFL. It's tougher win single-handedly and keep your head in the game when you don't touch ball every play. He could be a force, but a project nonetheless.

That's pretty much it. Jones is a project. I wouldn't want to spend a first round pick, and pay that money, for a project.

[bendog]

I don't see the comparisons. Oak traded up to get a starter after trading the short corner they had. Den traded down, and took a guy to play special teams and maybe develop into a nickle/slot guy.

[stoxman]

MH Shack: That white boy you might be referring to is none other than Brandon Stokely???

[Mile High Shack]

I don't see the comparisons. Oak traded up to get a starter after trading the short corner they had. Den traded down, and took a guy to play special teams and maybe develop into a nickle/slot guy.

there really isn't a comparison......I'm just saying, Williams is short, but not "that" short

[Arkie]

There's like 2.5 million new Jags fans because of Matt Jones. I checked out the message boards (http://www.jaguars.com/mb/default.aspx?f=6) at jaguars.com. Most of the threads on the front page are about Matt Jones. They are making thierown fans hate Matt Jones. This guy's sig sums up some of the regular fans' feelings...


EVERYONE SHUT UP ABOUT MATT JONES YALL ARE STARTING TO MAKE ME HATE HIM

JAG FANS, DO YOU EVEN THINK THAT IF WE HAVN'T PICKED MATT JONES THAT THE ARKANSAS SO CALLED JAGS FANS WILL BE HERE.THEY AREN'T HERE FOR THE JAGS THEY ARE ONLY HERE FOR MATT JONES. IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE PICKED HIM THEN THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE.

ARKANSAS JAG FANS ARE WEARING OUT MATT JONES WELCOME.

[TheNextStep]

I don't see the comparisons. Oak traded up to get a starter after trading the short corner they had. Den traded down, and took a guy to play special teams and maybe develop into a nickle/slot guy.

Actually, Norv has already stated that his starters are Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asomugha and that both Washington and Routt will be used in nickel and dime situations.