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SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 09:12 PM
from PFT today:

POSTED 8:32 p.m. EDT, April 22, 2005



TITANS, CHARGERS POISED FOR MEGATRADE?



Before sending an e-mail telling us that we're a bunch of dumbarses, remember this:



We're just the messenger.



With that said, there's a rumor out there that the Titans and the Chargers could pull off a stunning draft day trade that would send quarterback Philip Rivers and a fourth-round pick to Tennessee in exchange for the No. 6 overall selection and quarterback Billy Volek.



But the Chargers repeatedly have said they won't be trading Rivers, especially in the wake of paying the back end of his two-tiered signing bonus last month. With that said, the Titans could easily absorb the cap hit, and they then could work out a long-term deal with starter Drew Brees, which would chop down his current cap number of $8 million plus.



And with Steve McNair ready to return for his eleventh NFL season, it doesn't make sense for the Titans to take on Rivers, who'd likely sit on the sidelines for yet another season.



Then again, Rivers is likely to have his butt glued to the bench in San Diego, and the chances of McNair getting injured are much greater than the likelihood of Brees getting busted to the point he can't play.



HOWARD HITTING THE ROAD?



A league source tells us that the Miami Dolphins have given cornerback Reggie Howard a "take a pay cut or take a hike" ultimatum, demanding that he reduce his 2005 salary.



Per the source, Howard has to date refused to alter the terms of his contract.



Howard was signed by the Fins in 2004. He previously played for the Panthers.



POSTED 8:07 p.m. EDT, April 22, 2005



HENRY HEADING TO PHILLY



We're hearing that the Philadelphia Eagles are poised to acquire running back Travis Henry from the Bills for a third-round pick.


Barring an unexpected development, the trade will happen on Saturday.



The rumored move is a surprise on the surface, since the Eagles already have running backs Bryant Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter on the roster. But Westbrook will be an unrestricted free agent next year, and Buckhalter is a member of the multiple season-ending knee injury club.



Most presumed that Henry would be shipped to the Cards, but the deal never was consummated.



POSTED 7:55 p.m. EDT, April 22, 2005



JAMES HAS LOST HIS EDGE?



Word around the league is that teams aren't interested in trading for Colts running back Edgerrin James due to concerns that six years of high mileage have left him with bad knees.



The Colts made waves in 1999 by drafting James ahead of running back Ricky Williams, for whom the Saints ultimately gave up their entire slate of picks.



And James played out his original deal, without any renegotiation or extension. A free agent for the first time in 2005, James was slapped with the franchise tag. He signed the one-year franchise tender before the Colts could revoke it -- and we've heard on multiple occasions since then that the team was indeed poised to do so.



Since then, the Colts have tried to trade James, but no one has shown serious interest, even though the Colts have made it known that they'd take less than a first-round pick in exchange. Our guess is that the Cardinals or the Bears could be interested, if either team ends up not selecting a tailback in round one on Saturday.



EAGLES HOPING TO SOAR



The Philadelphia Eagles want to package their first round pick (No. 31 overall) and the second-round pick (No. 34 overall) that they acquired in the A.J. Feeley trade in order to move up in round one of the draft, according to a league source.



The Eagles might be interested in receiver Matt Jones, and some think that Jones might be long gone before Philly is on the clock.



Stay tuned.



CINCY SLIDING BACK FOR THURMAN?



Although the Bengals have a history of drafting for need, even when a guy could have been had at a lower pick (see Jones, Levi), word is that Cincy is hoping to slide down from the seventeenth overall space in the draft in order to draft linebacker Odell Thurman of Georgia.

One potential trade partner could be the Seahawks, who'd like to move up.



Another possibility would be the Packers, if quarterback Aaron Rodgers falls past No. 15.



And then there's the Matt Jones factor. As Jones drops farther into the teens, one of the teams in the 20s might want to spring up and nab him.



Of course, the Bengals and the aforementioned Eagles could get together on this one, if Cincy is confident that Thurman can still be had at No. 31.



POSTED 5:33 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 5:47 p.m. EDT, April 22, 2005



BUCS LOOKING TO GO SANS SIMEON?



A league source tells us that the Tampa Bay Bucs are shopping veteran defensive end Simeon Rice -- and that the Chargers are interested.


No word yet on what the Bucs would want for Rice, whose performance hasn't lived up to his big-money contract over the past two seasons.



Rice also spoke out last season regarding a perceived lack of team discipline under coach Jon Gruden. Our guess is that, in lieu of dumping Rice at the team's first opportunity, the organization opted instead to lay low until the draft, where they now can snag some picks in exchange.



The real question at this juncture, however, is the net cap hit resulting from a trade. Rice received some pretty big bonus money a couple of years ago, but the difference between the unallocated portion of his boni and his 2005 salary might not be enough to cripple the already cap-strapped franchise.



CLAYTON HAS A BUM KNEE?



There's a rumor making the rounds that Oklahoma receiver Mark Clayton's standing in the draft could fall due to concerns regarding an injured knee.


We're not saying that Clayton has a bum knee. That's for the teams to decide based on the medial info. What we are saying is that there are concerns out there regarding his knee, and that these concerns could cause him to drop on Saturday.



Clayton generally has been regarded as a first-rounder, and the fourth receiver likely to be drafted, after Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, and Troy Williamson.



LITTLE RICKY ANOTHER TEXAS HEAD CASE?



At a time when his stock had climbed back into the top ten after a temporary slip into the teens, we're hearing that there are lingering concerns regarding Texas running back Cedric Benson.



Benson has been trying desperately to distance himself from another former Longhorn, 1998 Heisman winner Ricky Williams. Recently, Benson trimmed off his trademark dreadlocks in order to further separate himself from Williams.



But some teams still regard him as nothing more than Little Ricky Williams -- regardless of whether the Bears hold firm with their apparent plan to draft Williams with the No. 4 overall pick.



Benson is one of three supposedly elite running backs in the draft, along with Auburn's Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 09:16 PM
Three first round picks for the Chargers???? I don't care how weak they say this draft is that would be HUGE for them. That team is already young before that!

HEAV
04-22-2005, 09:26 PM
Rice being cut has been the rumor from my buddy in Tampa. Seems he could be free come June!

Sodak
04-22-2005, 09:26 PM
Three first round picks for the Chargers???? I don't care how weak they say this draft is that would be HUGE for them. That team is already young before that!

I wonder if they really have the cap room for 3 firsts...?

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 09:27 PM
There is also a rumor out there that Denver may package Mike Anderson and the Skins Third to get a very late 1st. But to me that seems extremely implausible. The value is no where near equivalent. Just thought id throw that out there though because i did read that even though it does seem very implausible and too wet dreamish to be realistic.

Crushaholic
04-22-2005, 09:29 PM
A high draft pick AND a QB the caliber of Billy Volek? Wow...I hope that rumor isn't true.

Play2win
04-22-2005, 09:30 PM
Can you imagine IF the Titans came away with Phillip Rivers, Mike Williams and Norm Chow?!? zowie!

BTW- two of my Top 10 ALL-DECADE draft team.

Play2win
04-22-2005, 09:44 PM
I just got to say the value, or what ever the #&@* you call it, that we got out of the WASHED-UP SKINS, was so off-the-cuff out of this world. I am still in dis-belief. I couldn't have thicken of a worse 'bad rumour' myself, if you paid me to. I guess the only THREE words I keep thinking of...

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2005, 09:45 PM
So has anyone actually explored the monetary implications of this deal? All of Rivers' signing bonus has now been paid, LT2 was made the highest paid RB last summer, Brees now has leverage over Spanos even if Volek comes back, and they have to sign the #6, 12 and 28th overall draft picks. That's probably going to be at least $35+M for just Rivers and the 3 1st round picks. It's not happening.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 09:48 PM
There is also a rumor out there that Denver may package Mike Anderson and the Skins Third to get a very late 1st. But to me that seems extremely implausible. The value is no where near equivalent. Just thought id throw that out there though because i did read that even though it does seem very implausible and too wet dreamish to be realistic.



Who would want Mike Anderson that bad?

Rascal
04-22-2005, 09:48 PM
I would puke if the chargers got Simeon Rice.

ludo21
04-22-2005, 09:49 PM
if the broncos due try and package a 3r and anderson to move back int he 1st rnd, that would be pointless, and negate the great trade they made to get where they are now..

i think the broncos should package anderson and a few picks to move up and take the fins spot... then mike williams?? i know crazy talk, but i cant resist, i want him soo badd

Rascal
04-22-2005, 09:49 PM
Who would want Mike Anderson that bad?

No kidding. All of the late first round holders are fine at RB. Why would somebody want to pay that much for a old RB on his last legs coming off an injury?

Rascal
04-22-2005, 09:50 PM
if the broncos due try and package a 3r and anderson to move back int he 1st rnd, that would be pointless, and negate the great trade they made to get where they are now..

i think the broncos should package anderson and a few picks to move up and take the fins spot... then mike williams?? i know crazy talk, but i cant resist, i want him soo badd

How is that pointless? I actually like it just don't see how it can be done. Basically we would have given up Mike Anderson for a 2006 first. uh...talk about rapping the skins and that other other team over.

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 09:52 PM
Who would want Mike Anderson that bad?

i dont know. He isnt that good to begin with. He has no more vision or burst. He did have a nice game against Seattle's scrubs in the preseason last year but other than that he is just a shadow of his 2000 self and he is like 32. We were close to dealing him last preseason to someone but then the injury struck. I dont believe Mike Anderson has more trade value than say a 6th round pick. Early 3rd + 6th (lets say even a 5th although i dont think anyone would value him that high) = woefully short of a late first. I just dont see how it is a viable scenario but i did read it out there. So we will see. That would be an even bigger rape than the Skins deal.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 09:57 PM
i dont know. He isnt that good to begin with. He has no more vision or burst. He did have a nice game against Seattle's scrubs in the preseason last year but other than that he is just a shadow of his 2000 self and he is like 32. We were close to dealing him last preseason to someone but then the injury struck. I dont believe Mike Anderson has more trade value than say a 6th round pick. Early 3rd + 6th (lets say even a 5th although i dont think anyone would value him that high) = woefully short of a late first. I just dont see how it is a viable scenario but i did read it out there. So we will see. That would be an even bigger rape than the Skins deal.


The only team in the last part of the draft that I would even think would do it would be the Colts. They trade James for something and they want a good CHEAP back to help them out. I think they could use some cap help there. But that is the only thing I could dream up.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:00 PM
The only team in the last part of the draft that I would even think would do it would be the Colts. They trade James for something and they want a good CHEAP back to help them out. I think they could use some cap help there. But that is the only thing I could dream up.

Maybe but a first is still a steep price for him. A second might be okay value wise. Heck if Shanny and CO can pull it off I'm voting them for President in 2008. Talk about a coup.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:02 PM
Maybe but a first is still a steep price for him. A second might be okay value wise. Heck if Shanny and CO can pull it off I'm voting them for President in 2008. Talk about a coup.



If we could pull off a second for MA, Pierce, and that third I would be shocked.

ro_50
04-22-2005, 10:03 PM
No disrespect to Mike Anderson, but who would want him at the cost of high draft pick.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:04 PM
Now that would be something I wouldn't oppose although I think we need Pierce because of Wilson having bad shoulders. The third from the Browns, Anderson, and Pierce for a first...I'd do it. All those winners of vbookie would be pissed LOL!!!

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 10:08 PM
If we could pull off a second for MA, Pierce, and that third I would be shocked.

Actually that i could see. Some team might want a 2 down MLB, some insurance at RB, we throw in the 76 pick we could get a late 2nd...maybe. We'd be moving up about 15 spots or so. Id take that. Pierce is not going to contribute meaningfully here. Money talks. You play who got paid. You dont give Ian 8.5 million and say "its an open competition among everyone". Al just got paid. D.J. is going to be in the starting lineup for the next decade. Coyer has all but squashed the idea of the 3-4 as a base defense. So Pierce isnt going to see the field unless someone gets hurt. Even if someone gets hurt, i bet Sykes is going to see the field before Pierce, so right now he doesnt contribute jack. Deal him tomorrow. Throw in MA, see if we can get anything. Only concern i have is that you lose MA and RD in one offseason, if Bell gets hurt again we are screwed at HB. But, if MA is in there as the starting HB, we are prolly screwed as well.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:12 PM
Good thing we got Q and Dayne??? heck turner could make me a 1000 yard rusher.

I'm still concerned about Wilson's durability though. Can sykes play MLB? If so then by all means do this trade (for a first or maybe an early second).

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:18 PM
Good thing we got Q and Dayne??? heck turner could make me a 1000 yard rusher.

I'm still concerned about Wilson's durability though. Can sykes play MLB? If so then by all means do this trade (for a first or maybe an early second).
That Steele guy could and so could Chuckwagon.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:22 PM
John "Ringo" Riggins says there's a deal almost done between Oakland and the Cards.

C-Wood and the #26,#38,#73 to AZ for #8 & #44.

Says we're targeting Merriman.

Heard by Crow on Sirus Radio.

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 10:23 PM
John "Ringo" Riggins says there's a deal almost done between Oakland and the Cards.

C-Wood and the #26,#38,#73 to AZ for #8 & #44.

Says we're targeting Merriman.

Heard by Crow on Sirus Radio.

You got hosed. I can only hope that is true.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:25 PM
John "Ringo" Riggins says there's a deal almost done between Oakland and the Cards.

C-Wood and the #26,#38,#73 to AZ for #8 & #44.

Says we're targeting Merriman.

Heard by Crow on Sirus Radio.

Well Sirus isn't exactly known for its accurate reporting...but DEAR GOD I HOPE THAT IS TRUE ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TARGETING MERRIMAN!!!!

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:27 PM
Well Sirus isn't exactly known for its accurate reporting...but DEAR GOD I HOPE THAT IS TRUE ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TARGETING MERRIMAN!!!!



I think Merriman will be good and if they still run the 3-4 it will help alot.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:29 PM
I think Merriman will be good and if they still run the 3-4 it will help alot.

I think he will be good to...but after losing Buchannon and C-wood who exactly is going to man their secondary?

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:30 PM
I think he will be good to...but after losing Buchannon and C-wood who exactly is going to man their secondary?



Hill and that OUadlusdg guy they drafted early a few years go ???

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:31 PM
Maybe but I still think they got hosed.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:32 PM
If this deal were to go down I'd suspect we'd sign Ty Law and see who was there at 44 possibly the guy from Howard or Michigan, can't think of either of their names right now.

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 10:32 PM
i really hope Al goes with this deal. What a rape.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:34 PM
I would love to see Law at this point in time then Woodson.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:39 PM
You got hosed. I can only hope that is true.


I dont think so. If you work it all out on the value chart we're getting 460 points (12th pick in the 2nd) value for Woodson, who having signed his tender gives us absolutely no leverage.

The 10.5 million in cap relief would be the biggest benefit.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:40 PM
It's perfectly in line with what the Chiefs gave up for Surtain.


Edit.. it's actually equivalent to the 14th pick in the 2nd.

#8 - 1400
#44 - 460

AZ - 1860

#26 - 700
#38 - 520
#78 - 200

Raiders - 1420

Woodson - 440, equivilant to the #46 pick overall.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:42 PM
It's perfectly in line with what the Chiefs gave up for Surtain.

even if that is true (think the raiders gave up a bit more) C-wood is better then surtain. I think C-wood and bailey are probably the best in the league.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:42 PM
It's perfectly in line with what the Chiefs gave up for Surtain.



How much of it comes for the P. Buch trade?

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:43 PM
It's perfectly in line with what the Chiefs gave up for Surtain.


Edit.. it's actually equivalent to the 14th pick in the 2nd.

#8 - 1400
#44 - 460

AZ - 1860

#26 - 700
#38 - 520
#78 - 200

Raiders - 1420

Woodson - 440, equivilant to the #46 pick overall.

While your math is right I think you failed to include that the value chart is thrown off by this draft...the value in this draft is in the 2nd and third rounds.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:51 PM
How much of it comes for the P. Buch trade?


I'm not sure I follow. The one pick we'd be "loosing" in the 3rd was not via the Texans it was our original 3rd, but we still come out of this with a high 1st, a slightly lower 2nd and down one 3rd.

CWood is good, very good in fact, but not worth 12% of this years cap. When I watch a team win the Super Bowl with some dude named Gay and one of their WR's checking TO and Pinkston, especially in light of how the rules are written, I'm not so sure how important a lockdown corner is.

It seems the successful teams have the "back 7" playing as a unit within a mainly zone system. Sure NE plays some bump at times, but the CB's bail out as soon as the ball is snapped and play quarters.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2005, 10:53 PM
I'm not sure I follow. The one pick we'd be "loosing" in the 3rd was not via the Texans it was our original 3rd, but we still come out of this with a high 1st, a slightly lower 2nd and down one 3rd.

CWood is good, very good in fact, but not worth 12% of this years cap. When I watch a team win the Super Bowl with some dude named Gay and one of their WR's checking TO and Pinkston, especially in light of how the rules are written, I'm not so sure how important a lockdown corner is.

It seems the successful teams have the "back 7" playing as a unit within a mainly zone system. Sure NE plays some bump at times, but the CB's bail out as soon as the ball is snapped and play quarters.



I wasn't sure what picks you guys had or got. I was thinking if some came for that trade then it could have hurt its value some. Thats all I was thinking but Im tired too.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 10:55 PM
I'm going to laugh my ass off if he is gone by the time they pick and have to get pacman.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 10:57 PM
While your math is right I think you failed to include that the value chart is thrown off by this draft...the value in this draft is in the 2nd and third rounds.


Why is that because Ratface traded down? That dude from Clemson can ball. Value Smalue, there was value to be had at 25.

The value is determined by what the team needs. Oakland desperately needs a pass rush, if Merriman can provide that, then his pick had some value.

Not to mention the value associated with having 10 million more dollars in cap space than you did before.

Rascal
04-22-2005, 11:01 PM
Why is that because Ratface traded down? That dude from Clemson can ball. Value Smalue, there was value to be had at 25.

The value is determined by what the team needs. Oakland desperately needs a pass rush, if Merriman can provide that, then his pick had some value.

Not to mention the value associated with having 10 million more dollars in cap space than you did before.

Actually I said before the trade that the 2nd and 3rd rounds were where the true value was.

Oakland will also need some CB's and it is not guaranteed you will Law who is still injured BTW.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 11:05 PM
Getting 2nd round value for a guy that you have no leverage in trading is a pretty good deal.

Actually Al should have to register as a sex offender after this offseason

PBuc was griping that he wanted to leave, the Texans overpay for him.

Jolley was our 3rd string TE, the Jets gave us high 3rd round value for him.

Now Denny is giving us 2nd round value for a guy that we have no leverage in negotiating with and freeing uop 10.5 million in cap room.

Calls will immediately be placed to Anthony Simmons' agent, Ty Law's agent, and Jacksonville's GM to see what it would take to get Donavan Darius in S&B.

SoCalBronco
04-22-2005, 11:10 PM
Why is that because Ratface traded down? That dude from Clemson can ball. Value Smalue, there was value to be had at 25.

The value is determined by what the team needs. Oakland desperately needs a pass rush, if Merriman can provide that, then his pick had some value.

Not to mention the value associated with having 10 million more dollars in cap space than you did before.

Bill, at this point in the offseason, the 10.5 million is essentially a sunk cost. If it is erased from the books there really isnt anyone on June 1st that is going to come free that i think is really special so its not like you were going to use that anyway. Its more or less irrelevant.

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 11:10 PM
Oakland will also need some CB's and it is not guaranteed you will Law who is still injured BTW.


Come on this is Al friggin Davis we're talking about.

He's not going to let the CB position completely go to ****. .. Hill was the contingency plan for PBuc, I'm going to speculate that Law is the contingency plan for CWood. If we deal CWood, we immediately become the most attractive landing spot because we will have the greatest amount of cap room left (or damn near it)

Raider Bill
04-22-2005, 11:15 PM
Bill, at this point in the offseason, the 10.5 million is essentially a sunk cost. If it is erased from the books there really isnt anyone on June 1st that is going to come free that i think is really special so its not like you were going to use that anyway. Its more or less irrelevant.

Ty Law and Anthony Simmons, off the top of my head, are 2 guys out there who would help. I'll agree, the pickings are slim, but come June 1st there's always a guy out there that supprises. Simeon Rice is rumored to be a June 1 casuality this year for example.

FADERPROOF
04-23-2005, 04:10 AM
Early Browns draft rumors...

Listening the radio currently before I head down to Columbus, Browns and Vikings ae talking trade right now. Vikings would send both of their 1st rounders to Cleveland in exchange for their 1st and possibly a later round pick as well(5th possible.)

Vikings then would grab either Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams in that spot, Browns would then take Texas OLB Derrick Johnson with the 7th overall pick.

RocBronc
04-23-2005, 04:30 AM
Early Browns draft rumors...

Listening the radio currently before I head down to Columbus, Browns and Vikings ae talking trade right now. Vikings would send both of their 1st rounders to Cleveland in exchange for their 1st and possibly a later round pick as well(5th possible.)

Vikings then would grab either Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams in that spot, Browns would then take Texas OLB Derrick Johnson with the 7th overall pick.


One of the most sensible rumors I've heard...

Broncoman13
04-23-2005, 04:39 AM
Nj, you do realize that Ty Law is injured right now right?? He couldn't hardly walk a few weeks ago..... even the CB starved Chefs told him to come back when he could walk.

As for Simeon being a June 1st cut..... if another washed up TB lineman is what you want to spend your "new" cap dollars on, by all means anty up! You won't find too me Bronco fans that will be quaking at the sight of your D.

Merriman in the first would be a very good pick, but I'm betting that Al would go after a guy like Erasmus James instead. He is a true DE and the Faid aren't going to run the 3-4 again.

NaptownChief
04-23-2005, 08:16 AM
The only team in the last part of the draft that I would even think would do it would be the Colts. They trade James for something and they want a good CHEAP back to help them out. I think they could use some cap help there. But that is the only thing I could dream up.



Polian isn't anywhere near that stupid....They would value Dominick Rhodes well ahead of old Mike Anderson coming off a ripped groin.

3 used jock straps and maybe one new duffle bag all Mike Anderson would bring in a trade right now.

DBroncos4life
04-23-2005, 08:20 AM
Polian isn't anywhere near that stupid....They would value Dominick Rhodes well ahead of old Mike Anderson coming off a ripped groin.

3 used jock straps and maybe one new duffle bag all Mike Anderson would bring in a trade right now.



Like I said that was then only thing I could homer when looking at the bottom teams.