#56 (finally) rolls around, who is it gonna be?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Vincent Jackson

Might be there when the Broncos pick on the 3rd if they pass on him, but Shanahan doesn't take the chance and drafts the big-bodied WR.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

i like vincent too...

approx. how many hours into the draft will the pick come?

[Ballhawk]

Another TE project, great.

[DBroncos4life]

Another TE project, great.



Whatever dude, Im sure the samething was said about Owens.

[DBroncos4life]

If we get Jackson its going to take more then Surtain to stop us.

[Taco John]

Hard to believe that Terrell Owens was picked 89th overall in the third round...

[DBroncos4life]

Hard to believe that Terrell Owens was picked 89th overall in the third round...



Yeah thats odd. He helped change the way that WR's are though....size wise. There where tall ones but never that size.

[Ballhawk]

Whatever dude, Im sure the samething was said about Owens.

Sorry I do not have the "lets see a local kid make good" glasses on when looking at this WR prospect. He has average hands, top speed only, no real burst for seperation, and runs about the worst routes of the top 15 WR prospects. What does he have? Athleticism and 3" in hieght.

If he was not 6'5" he would be a 5th rounder at best.

[ro_50]

I think Vincent Jackson will be gone by the 56th pick. I think its going to be Fabian Washington of Nebraska.

[DBroncos4life]

I think Vincent Jackson will be gone by the 56th pick. I think its going to be Fabian Washington of Nebraska.



Washington will go in the first round.

[Ratboy]

Ronald Bartell Jr. or Stanford Routt.

[DBroncos4life]

Sorry I do not have the "lets see a local kid make good" glasses on when looking at this WR prospect. He has average hands, top speed only, no real burst for seperation, and runs about the worst routes of the top 15 WR prospects. What does he have? Athleticism and 3" in hieght.

If he was not 6'5" he would be a 5th rounder at best.



This is coming from a Matt Jones fan???

[TheManeMan]

an Offensive Lineman or

Roddy White...

[Ballhawk]

This is coming from a Matt Jones fan???


Better speed, Better hands, Better RAC ability, Longsnapper, played against better competition and with all that yes may have had to move to TE.

[DBroncos4life]

Better speed, Better hands, Better RAC ability, Longsnapper, played against better competition and with all that yes may have had to move to TE.



Better comp AS A QB!!!!!!! Longsnapper that wouldn't have taken over Leachs spot.

Name: Matt Jones Number: 9
Height: 6-6 Weight: 242
Position: TE Pos2: WR
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.37
College: Arkansas
Projected Round: 1-2


Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6062
Weight: 242
40 Yrd Dash: 4.37
20 Yrd Dash: 2.54
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55
Wonderlic: 19
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 39 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'9"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Dates: 03/16/2005 03/30/2005
Height: 6062
Weight: 242
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.09
3-Cone Drill: 6.62



Name: Vincent Jackson Number: 81
Height: 6-5 Weight: 241
Position: WR Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.46
College: Northern Colorado
Projected Round: 3


Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6046
Weight: 241
40 Yrd Dash: 4.46
20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57
Wonderlic: 33
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 39
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Dates: 03/23/2005
Height: 6046
Weight: 241
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump: 10'9"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.00
3-Cone Drill:

Jackson scored much higher on the wonderlic the Jones and Jones is a QB.

[Finger Roll]

yeah I don't want to waist a 2nd on Vincent Jackson either.

[SoCalBronco]

i would be happy with jackson there.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I already told you - Marcus Johnson - OG - Ole Miss
They get Jackson in the third. The rest of the NFL doesn't know where Greeley is.

[Ballhawk]

Well lets see if Matt Jones goes before VJ in the draft and who goes on to have a better career.

Not here to argue, just do not feel VJ is not worthy of anything more than one of our comp picks.

[DBroncos4life]

Vincent Jackson Grade: 3.75
Position: WR
Class:
School: N. Colorado
Conference: Great West
Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 241
40 Time: 4.51
Grading System


BIO: Awarded All-Conference and All-America honors as a senior after leading the team in all receiving categories with 80/1,382/11. Multiple award winner the prior season after numbers of 66/1,462/21.

POSITIVES: King-sized receiver who may ultimately grow into a tight end or H-back. Offers the quarterback a nice target, uses his large frame to outmuscle opponents and displays both focus and concentration. Extends and then snatches the pass out of the air, displays good eye/hand coordination and is relatively effective running after the reception. Moves well laterally, finding the soft spot in the defense. Sells his routes, comes back to the quarterback and adjusts well to the errant throw. Physically beats down opposing defensive backs to make the reception. Experienced as both a punt and kick returner.
NEGATIVES: Lacks the deep speed, acceleration and more of an underneath or possession wideout. At times goes down easily after the catch.

ANALYSIS: Ultra-productive the past two seasons, Jackson offers good potential at a number of spots in the NFL. Could be used as a king-sized possession or slot receiver for an offense, and is also viewed as a .move. tight end. His ability to handle a big step up in competition will determine whether he is a practice-squad prospect or a final roster player.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round


Whats not to like there.

[Ballhawk]

NEGATIVES: Lacks the deep speed, acceleration and more of an underneath or possession wideout. At times goes down easily after the catch.

ANALYSIS: Ultra-productive the past two seasons, Jackson offers good potential at a number of spots in the NFL. Could be used as a king-sized possession or slot receiver for an offense, and is also viewed as a .move. tight end. His ability to handle a big step up in competition will determine whether he is a practice-squad prospect or a final roster player.


Whats not to like there.

In Bold, what not to like.

Do we really want to discuss wether a 2nd round pick is worthy of a roster spot or PS ???

[DBroncos4life]

In Bold, what not to like.

Do we really want to discuss wether a 2nd round pick is worthy of a roster spot or PS ???



WE HAVE TWO DEEP THREATS ON THIS TEAM. What is is Lelie and Watts for?

[DBroncos4life]

Vincent Jackson Grade: 3.75
Position: WR
Class:
School: N. Colorado
Conference: Great West
Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 241
40 Time: 4.51
Grading System


BIO: Awarded All-Conference and All-America honors as a senior after leading the team in all receiving categories with 80/1,382/11. Multiple award winner the prior season after numbers of 66/1,462/21.

POSITIVES: King-sized receiver who may ultimately grow into a tight end or H-back. Offers the quarterback a nice target, uses his large frame to outmuscle opponents and displays both focus and concentration. Extends and then snatches the pass out of the air, displays good eye/hand coordination and is relatively effective running after the reception. Moves well laterally, finding the soft spot in the defense. Sells his routes, comes back to the quarterback and adjusts well to the errant throw. Physically beats down opposing defensive backs to make the reception. Experienced as both a punt and kick returner.
NEGATIVES: Lacks the deep speed, acceleration and more of an underneath or possession wideout. At times goes down easily after the catch.

ANALYSIS: Ultra-productive the past two seasons, Jackson offers good potential at a number of spots in the NFL. Could be used as a king-sized possession or slot receiver for an offense, and is also viewed as a .move. tight end. His ability to handle a big step up in competition will determine whether he is a practice-squad prospect or a final roster player.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round


Whats not to like there.

[Ballhawk]

WE HAVE TWO DEEP THREATS ON THIS TEAM. What is is Lelie and Watts for?

I know a lot here want him so Im in the minority, but I just do not see him producing for at least 3 years.

The main thing you want out of a possesion WR (a complement to Lelie) is a guy that runs good routes and has great hands. VJ does not have the speed to create seperation inside and does not run routes well enough to get open.

What he does have is a big frame, but that wont cut it in the NFL.

[easymobee]

I like Vincent Jackson a lot, but we already have Darius Watts on the roster.

The same Darius Watts that would have been a starter for the opening game last year if it was decided in poll-form on the Mane.

I think we take Antonio Perkins in the 2nd. Good CB and Return Man.

If Jackson falls to the 3rd .... then maybe.

[Raider Bill]

David Bass, Adam Terry, or Josh Bullocks going off of Gosselin's top 100 (which is usually pretty close.)

[DBroncos4life]

I know a lot here want him so Im in the minority, but I just do not see him producing for at least 3 years.

The main thing you want out of a possesion WR (a complement to Lelie) is a guy that runs good routes and has great hands. VJ does not have the speed to create seperation inside and does not run routes well enough to get open.

What he does have is a big frame, but that wont cut it in the NFL.



He is 1 tenth of a second slower then Jones! His cone time was faster then Jones as well. He can't be covered by smaller CB and he is bigger then most LB's. I don't know how fast you think WR's have to be but he is a 4.4 guy.

[labronco]

i see us trading up. i don't think shanny can wait that long.

[DB-Freak]

He is 1 tenth of a second slower then Jones! His cone time was faster then Jones as well. He can't be covered by smaller CB and he is bigger then most LB's. I don't know how fast you think WR's have to be but he is a 4.4 guy.
Some players just cant translate their triangle numbers into the football field.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

i see us trading up. i don't think shanny can wait that long.

Man I hope not. If he's going to trade, move down again. #56 for a mid-3rd and an '06 2nd. But I'd rather he keep the pick.

[Maximus]

Vincent Jackson

Might be there when the Broncos pick on the 3rd if they pass on him, but Shanahan doesn't take the chance and drafts the big-bodied WR.
I love Vincent Jackson... I would not be surprised to see him go in the first. Maybe Parcells takes him with his second pick in the first or moves up in the second... Jackson has been getting lots of chatter on the NFL Network.

[DBroncos4life]

Some players just cant translate their triangle numbers into the football field.



It doesn't matter how fast he is anyways. Denver NEEDS a big body to keep drives alive. A guy thats going to move the chains by going over the middle. He also makes a great redzone threat. We have our guys to stretch the field in Lelie and Watts. We don't have a big body to do the things like Ed did. Easy Ed wasn't the fastest guy either but he did it in ways that caught guys off guard.

[Ballhawk]

It doesn't matter how fast he is anyways. Denver NEEDS a big body to keep drives alive. A guy thats going to move the chains by going over the middle. He also makes a great redzone threat. We have our guys to stretch the field in Lelie and Watts. We don't have a big body to do the things like Ed did. Easy Ed wasn't the fastest guy either but he did it in ways that caught guys off guard.

Best route runner we ever had.

What we need to keep drives going is better guards, so we do not keep coming up short on 3rd and 2 or less.

[DB-Freak]

It doesn't matter how fast he is anyways. Denver NEEDS a big body to keep drives alive. A guy thats going to move the chains by going over the middle. He also makes a great redzone threat. We have our guys to stretch the field in Lelie and Watts. We don't have a big body to do the things like Ed did. Easy Ed wasn't the fastest guy either but he did it in ways that caught guys off guard.
Not exactly putting down VJ or on spending a draft pick on him but the use of the triangle numbers to prove someone is better than someone seemed kind of funny.

Especially when the triangle number was worse than MJs.

[DBroncos4life]

Best route runner we ever had.

What we need to keep drives going is better guards, so we do not keep coming up short on 3rd and 2 or less.



And it took him time to get that good at it. If thats all that you have against him then its pretty weak. Route running can be taught.


OVERVIEW
Built like a tight end, Jackson has the foot speed to match up with any cornerback at any level of football. His size makes him almost impossible to match up with in one-on-one situations and is always a threat to turn a play into a touchdown, either as a receiver or a return specialist. The gifted athlete also played on the school's basketball team the last two seasons.

Jackson earned honorable mention all-state from the Rocky Mountain News as a senior at Widefield High School. He added first-team all-conference and all-area honors as he ranked third in the state (class 4A) in receptions (52), and also tallied 697 receiving yards with 13 touchdowns.

Jackson was a reserve receiver as a true freshman in 2001 at Northern Colorado. He caught nine passes for 259 yards (28.8 average) and two scores. Jackson also scored twice on 17 punt returns for 306 yards (18.0 average) and gained 264 yards on 11 kickoff returns (24.0 average). He started one of 14 games in 2002, finishing fifth on the team with 22 catches for 445 yards (20.2 average) and three scores. Vincent also returned 27 punts for 256 yards (9½ average) and 15 kickoffs for 379 yards (25.3 average).

In 2003, Jackson received national attention, earning All-America honors as he shattered school single-season records with 1,462 yards and 21 touchdowns on 66 receptions. His 1,462 yards surpassed the previous mark of 1,044 yards by Cedric Tillman in 1988. His 21 scoring grabs topped the old mark of 11, shared by Dillan Micus (1998) and Keith Grable (1999). Vincent also returned 19 punts for 166 yards (8.7 average) and 13 kickoffs for 321 yards (24.7 average). His 1,949 all-purpose yards broke the school record of 1,531 by Adam Matthews in 2002.

Jackson continued to assault the record books in 2004, again earning All-America honors while being named Great West Conference Offensive Player of the Year. He caught a school single-season record 80 passes for 1,382 yards (17.3 average) and 11 touchdowns, topping the previous mark of 78 catches by Kim Boerema in 1985. He also gained 296 yards on 25 punt returns (11.8 average) and 274 yards on 13 kickoff returns (21.1 average). His 1,952 all-purpose yards broke his 2003 school record.

Jackson rewrote most of the school's records during his 46-game career. He finished with 177 receptions for 3,548 yards (20.0 average) and 37 touchdowns, breaking the old marks of 168 catches by Boerema (1982-85), 2,507 yards by Tillman (1986-89) and 20 scores by Grable (1996-99). He returned 88 punts for a school-record 1,024 yards (11.6 average) and two scores, topping the previous mark of 967 yards by Earnest Collins (1991-94). Returned 52 kickoffs for 1,238 yards (23.8 average). Only Johnny Watkines (1,262, 1981-84) gained more yards on kickoff returns for the Bears. Jackson amassed 5,810 all-purpose yards, shattering the previous UNC career record of 4,104 yards by Adam Meadows (2000-03).


ANALYSIS
Positives: Possesses outstanding size, strength and quickness for his position … Shows average initial quickness off the snap, but uses his hand strength to defeat the jam … Gets a good push off the defender to quickly get into his route … Needs a little polish in his running stride, but can be sudden getting into the short area … Has very good hand quickness, showing the ability to uncover and extend for the ball … Natural hands catcher who will pluck and snatch away from the body's frame … Maintains concentration going for the ball in a crowd … His outstanding ball adjustment skills and ability to track the deep ball make up for his lack of blazing speed … Has the lower body power to break tackles and keeps his balance while building up speed to accelerate and take the ball to the house … He also has the flexibility and cutting agility to get to the off-target throws … Is best when working on slants, as he has the power to turn the short-area pass into a long gain … Shows good stick on post routes.

Negatives: Bit of a long strider who has to build up speed in order to accelerate … Despite his size, he does not show aggression as a blocker and did not see him spend much time mirroring, shading and controlling defenders on contact … Has good plant-and-drive agility, but needs to do a better job of coming back for the ball … Must improve his route running, as he usually reverts to taking soft angle cuts … Gathers himself and gears down a bit when attempting to get in and out of his breaks … Decent returner at the level he played in, but must develop a quicker burst in order to be effective returning kicks in the pros.


INJURY REPORT
2004 -- Bothered in spring drills with a lower-back bruise suffered during the previous basketball season.


AGILITY
4.46 in the 40-yard dash … 2.57 20-yard dash … 1.56 10-yard dash … 39-inch vertical jump … 32¾-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.

[Arkie]

He is 1 tenth of a second slower then Jones! His cone time was faster then Jones as well. He can't be covered by smaller CB and he is bigger then most LB's. I don't know how fast you think WR's have to be but he is a 4.4 guy.

Where did you see that Jackson had a faster cone time than Jones? Jones had a faster cone time than all the other receivers projected to go in the first round. Also, Jones is a sub-4.4 guy.

[Ballhawk]

Yes it took Eddie a while to get it down and it will take VJ a while to get it down also.

I do not want projects coming out of day one this year, period. No VJ, No McPhearson, no TE to make into a LT.

I want a solid Guard maybe two, a nickle/KR DB, a Punter and Walters.

We will have 2 #1s next year and room to manuver. Next year I want a Franchise LT and a Possesion WR in the 1st round and a Safety in the 2nd.

I am also resigned that I will get none of this, but it is what I would like to see.

[DBroncos4life]

Where did you see that Jackson had a faster cone time than Jones? Jones had a faster cone time than all the other receivers projected to go in the first round. Also, Jones is a sub-4.4 guy.



My bad I meant the 20 yard shuttle.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Vincent Jackson a lot, but we already have Darius Watts on the roster.

The same Darius Watts that would have been a starter for the opening game last year if it was decided in poll-form on the Mane.

I think we take Antonio Perkins in the 2nd. Good CB and Return Man.

If Jackson falls to the 3rd .... then maybe.

Watts is nothing like Jackson. Watts is a skinny scat WR. The first time you send him on one of those crossing routes through a set of fast linebackers, you would be scaping the pieces off the carpet for a week. Picture this - Watts throwing a block on Rodney Harrison. Wouldn't be a pretty picture.

[SoCalBronco]

Watts is nothing like Jackson. Watts is a skinny scat WR. The first time you send him on one of those crossing routes through a set of fast linebackers, you would be scaping the pieces off the carpet for a week. Picture this - Watts throwing a block on Rodney Harrison. Wouldn't be a pretty picture.

Yep, like Lelie, Watts is pretty lanky. We need a thickly built guy for the underneath game.

[DB-Freak]

Watts is nothing like Jackson. Watts is a skinny scat WR. The first time you send him on one of those crossing routes through a set of fast linebackers, you would be scaping the pieces off the carpet for a week. Picture this - Watts throwing a block on Rodney Harrison. Wouldn't be a pretty picture.
So you have seen it happen?

You are just basing this on because he is skinny. What else are you exactly basing this on?

DUring the season, Watts showed great flashes of a possession WR while he dropped a lot of passes due lapse of concentration.

He made several tough catches in the middle and acrobatic circus that you need in possession WRs. Also the guy is extremely shifty so he wouldnt take a lot of direct hits.

And when he does he just has to hang on to the ball.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

DUring the season, Watts showed great flashes of a possession WR while he dropped a lot of passes due lapse of concentration.


Oxymoron

[Raider Bill]

Bass, Terry or Bullocks... mail it in.

[DB-Freak]

Oxymoron
Maybe so but he showed potential of being one. I was just pointing at his lapses as a rookie.

You dont necessarily have to be big to be a possession WR.

Look at Marvin Harrison and Derrick Mason.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Don't have to be, but Darius is rail thin and the other guys you mentioned are much more compact and solidly built.

[DB-Freak]

Don't have to be, but Darius is rail thin and the other guys you mentioned are much more compact and solidly built.
just barely with mason . Not with Harrison Harrison is smaller.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493109
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1231
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1816

[ro_50]

Wow, I had no idea that Washington has shot up that fast. I thought he was a second round candidate.

[ChampBailey24]

Josh Bullocks!!!!

[DBroncos4life]

Josh Bullocks!!!!


Yes!

[DBroncos4life]

Wow, I had no idea that Washington has shot up that fast. I thought he was a second round candidate.



Thats what happens when you run a 4.25 40 at the combine.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

just barely with mason . Not with Harrison Harrison is smaller.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493109
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1231
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1816

I've looked at their numbers, and both ESPN and the Broncos teamsite have Watts at 6'2 and 188. That puts Mason a full 4 inches shorter and 2 lbs heavier. He's got 2 and 13 on Harrison, but do you want to tell me that Darius looks even close to being as solid as either of those two guys?

[DB-Freak]

I've looked at their numbers, and both ESPN and the Broncos teamsite have Watts at 6'2 and 188. That puts Mason a full 4 inches shorter and 2 lbs heavier. He's got 2 and 13 on Harrison, but do you want to tell me that Darius looks even close to being as solid as either of those two guys?
Not exactly with mason but definitely with Harrison. Harrison is a bit less denser and Im not sure where you can say about him being solidly built.

The guy maybe not be capable of being putting too much weight on but still I think he can put on more weight through Denver's training program.

Mason and Harrison are long time veterans while Watts is not.

[Play2win]

Watts is nothing like Jackson. Watts is a skinny scat WR. The first time you send him on one of those crossing routes through a set of fast linebackers, you would be scaping the pieces off the carpet for a week. Picture this - Watts throwing a block on Rodney Harrison. Wouldn't be a pretty picture.
Yeah, but Watts breaks peoples ankles, if not knees.

He moves, twists and cuts quicker more than many I have seen in this league. He makes his cuts with a reverse tangent, berring down on anybody that tries to cover him. This guy is a corkscrew, he will take it to the house more than once, and he won't take three years to find himself, like ASH did!!

[DBroncos4life]

I've looked at their numbers, and both ESPN and the Broncos teamsite have Watts at 6'2 and 188. That puts Mason a full 4 inches shorter and 2 lbs heavier. He's got 2 and 13 on Harrison, but do you want to tell me that Darius looks even close to being as solid as either of those two guys?



I think Herc is trying to tell you this. Watts is packing about 30 pounds a foot. Harrison is packing 29 pounds and Mason is 37 pounds. There is a certian pound to height thing but I don't know it. Its not that Watts can't make blocks or go over the middle its just not going to prolong his career any. There will be guys he can't block and guys he can block. He will always try his best though.

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah, but Watts breaks peoples ankles, if not knees.

He moves, twists and cuts quicker more than many I have seen in this league. He makes his cuts with a reverse tangent, berring down on anybody that tries to cover him. This guy is a corkscrew, he will take it to the house more than once, and he won't take three years to find himself, like ASH did!!

Don't hate him because he didnt go to USC ;D

[Play2win]

Don't hate him because he didnt go to USC ;D
What are you TALKING ABOUT?!?

I love ASH. I have been a proponent of ASH since he got here!!

My question is, we took him instead of (Mr. Miami) Ed Reed, yet you are such an ASH fan, isn't that eventually going to drive you literally INSANE?!?

[SpringStein]

Fingers crossed that Baas falls down the boards to #56.

[bpc]

I'm going out on a limb. If Baas is there, I would say we take him. I know he won't be sooooooo....

I'll have us taking Terrence Murphy, WR, Texas A&M. I would say he is a little Rod Smith with more wiggle. He has good speed, tries hard at blocking and can be an elite return man.

We'll go Guard, CB, QB in the 3rd.

I see us taking

2nd- Terrence Murphy WR
3a- Chris Spencer C
3b- Stanley Wilson CB
3c- David Green QB

[SoCalBronco]

What are you TALKING ABOUT?!?

I love ASH. I have been a proponent of ASH since he got here!!

My question is, we took him instead of (Mr. Miami) Ed Reed, yet you are such an ASH fan, isn't that eventually going to drive you literally INSANE?!?

No. Not at all. I wanted Lelie, Reed or Shockey at Pick no. 19 that year. We got Ash so i was happy. Shockey was already gone at no. 14. I am very happy with Ash just as i was at that point. That's my boy. He was a real home run hitter this year and he will be even better next year. The whole Reed thing doesnt faze me at all. We could have also drafted someone else in the 2002 first round who ended up being a bust. Thats football. Reed could have 20 INTs next year and id still be happy with Ash. I would have been happy with Reed as well.

[-Slap-]

If we landed Vincent Jackson @ 56 (which is a pipe dream because he'll be long gone), I wouldn't care what we did afterwards.

http://www.vincentjackson81.com/images/gall/Jackson-running-WWU.jpg

[Play2win]

No. Not at all. I wanted Lelie, Reed or Shockey at Pick no. 19 that year. We got Ash so i was happy. Shockey was already gone at no. 14. I am very happy with Ash just as i was at that point. That's my boy. He was a real home run hitter this year and he will be even better next year. The whole Reed thing doesnt faze me at all. We could have also drafted someone else in the 2002 first round who ended up being a bust. Thats football. Reed could have 20 INTs next year and id still be happy with Ash. I would have been happy with Reed as well.
Fair enough! ;D

[SoCalBronco]

If we landed Vincent Jackson @ 56 (which is a pipe dream because he'll be long gone), I wouldn't care what we did afterwards.

http://www.vincentjackson81.com/images/gall/Jackson-running-WWU.jpg

I have a feeling you'll be a happy man tomorrow, Slappy.

[Play2win]

Here is what I think is going to Happen-

We will take Baas. My god, that would be an excellent pick, with all the pick we have coming to us in the '06 Draft.

If not, The Adrian McPherson. I liken him to Julius Jones, had potential, messed up early, had to spend the next few years of his life rectifing for earlier mistakes. Took care of business, and strengthen his charactor. Does that translate to the PRO game, We'll see...

And, of course, if all else fails, go for V-Jack. we are the DENVER Broncos, after all, right?!?

[JCMElway]

Bass, Terry or Bullocks... mail it in.

If Baas is still there I will run around in the street screaming and jumping for joy!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

So you have seen it happen?

You are just basing this on because he is skinny. What else are you exactly basing this on?

DUring the season, Watts showed great flashes of a possession WR while he dropped a lot of passes due lapse of concentration.

He made several tough catches in the middle and acrobatic circus that you need in possession WRs. Also the guy is extremely shifty so he wouldnt take a lot of direct hits.

And when he does he just has to hang on to the ball.

Yep - I saw him turtle every time someone came his way. I have stood right next to him. My 10 year old has more meat on his calves. He can play the game, but he can't block and he can't ahndle the punishment he would take over the middle

[wabbit]

For the first time in a few years, I can't come up with one name most likely to become the Broncos' first pick.

A large part of that is likely the fact that even the Broncos don't know who they're going to draft, although i learned today that there are a dozen or so candidates, among which one will surface as the second, then the 3a, 3b & so on.

A lot of folks...Pat Saunders among them, believe there is a pass rusher coveted by the team that they believe may fall in their laps, but who that is is speculative...perhaps Demarcus Ware of Troy...the Paul Toviessi of 2005 if it happens in my opinion.

Jim Armstrong of the Post believes the Broncos will take a very hard look at QB at 3a, 3b & 3c. Armstrong believes the team will pull the trigger on a QB with one of those picks.

Vince Jackson is tempting...and the Broncos coaches have researched his potential pretty extensively, but what I heard today is that he's just too raw to risk a 2nd rounder.

If there in the third, however, the Broncos will likely take him, but Seattle, Tennessee, Pittsburgh & Miami have all expressed considerable interest in the Nothern Colorado product.

If there is a rough consensus...and only barely...it is that the second rounder will either be a D-lineman or a DB...with the hope that the sheer depth of this draft at DB delivers a steal of sorts at 56.

3a will likely be a WR, or, if a WR is taken at 56, then DB at 3a.

O-Line will have to wait for 3b at the earliest...more than likely the very last selection of the third round...UNLESS, a top prospect just falls in their lap

The Broncos are eyeing a Punter, but a name is hard to come by...someone mentioned Gary Cook of UNLV, but I know nothing about him.

Further, the Broncos are hinting the 6th round is the likely place where a punter would be considered, and only then if he tops their board at that time.

Mike Shanahan was all smiles today and only allowed a couple of questions...saying the team was still talking to other teams about possible trades, but also saying the Broncos are very happy with where they are positioned & are ready to make their picks.

That's about it...other than the damned print media sucking down the chips & cold cuts ebforeanyone else had even a punchers shot at anything.

Personally, I enjoyed the soggy potato chip pieces & dill pickles. I can only say at this late hour it is fortunate I do, in fact, live alone.

[SoCalBronco]

Thanks for that report Wabbit. Cant say i am too pleased with OL waiting till 3b at the earliest and DB in 2. I dont think we will see Jackson still there at 3a. Damn. But apparently, as you say, Shanny appears quite confident about where they are at so lets see where the chips fall. Thanks again for that very long and good report, wabbit.

[Atlas]

an Offensive Lineman or

Roddy White...

I like White over Jackson. White doesn't run great routes but he make big plays

[Play2win]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to wabbit again"

[-Slap-]

Vince Jackson is tempting...and the Broncos coaches have researched his potential pretty extensively, but what I heard today is that he's just too raw to risk a 2nd rounder.

If there in the third, however, the Broncos will likely take him, but Seattle, Tennessee, Pittsburgh & Miami have all expressed considerable interest in the Nothern Colorado product.

It would suck to see him go to Pittsburgh and I would vomit blood if he went to Miami.

[Clockwork Orange]

Bass, Terry or Bullocks... mail it in.

I've been on the Vincent Jackson bandwagon for some time, but I'd be very happy with David Baas or Josh Bullocks in round 2.

Here's to hoping you're right. :yep:

[RocBronc]

Vincent Jackson, IMO has a slight chance of being available... Baas, you're smoking weed (won't be there)

Bullocks is a reasonable choice... I see us going CB, WR OL or DL... as long as we don't go RB or LB, I just want good value...

[Broncoman13]

I think I've got it nailed now.

@#56 the Broncos select CB Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma.
@#76 the Broncos select WR Terrency Murphy, TxA&M.
@#97 the Broncos select OG Chris Kemoeatu, Utah
@#101 the Broncos select QB, Andrew Walter, Zona St.
@#200 the Broncos select WR Chad Owens, Hawaii
@#239 the Broncos select P Matt Payne, BYUWR

I agree, this leaves a few holes. We end up not addressing the DL though I originally had the Broncos taking Luis Castillo in the 3b slot. I also had the Broncos taking Frank Gore in the 3c slot originally, but Walters brings a lot to the table. The thing that makes me wonder about him is his mobility. If heard it said that he moves fairly well for a big guy, but in the two games (over the past 3 years) that I've seen him in he's looked like a statue. Maybe one of you westerners could shed some light on that aspect.

Also, in the 6th round I was somewhat torn. I think Matt Payne can be had as a FA, but he is certainly the Punter I'd like to bring into Denver so we have to burn that pick in the 7th. The guy that I'd personally like to draft at 200 (6th) is Matt Grootegoed. He may have problems finding a true position, but the dude has incredible instincts and is always in on the play. He'd be a ST ace year one and probably serve as an emotional presence in the locker room and sideline. Of course Chad Owens is a great player in his own right. I'd gladly settle for him, but considering we have drafted Perkins and Murphy earlier in the draft Owens seems somewhat unnecessary. Perkins and Murphy both would shore up multiple positions. Murphy being the home run threat as a Kick Returner and an excellent option at WR..... eventual replacement for Rod Smith. Mainly b/c he is developed more in terms of run support and blocking than most WR's b/c of A&M's style offense. Perkins is the perfect replacement for Herndon. He probably has a little bit better coverage skills though so I'm really hoping for this pick more than any other in this draft. Perkins also brings the NCAA's best Punt Returner Ever label to Denver. He has the ability to take 2 or 3 back per season! If he can come in and average 10 yards per return and take 2 back to the house he is worth a 2nd rounder, if he can play Nickel and produce returning he was worth our first and we found a stud!

[chanesaw]

For the first time in a few years, I can't come up with one name most likely to become the Broncos' first pick.

A large part of that is likely the fact that even the Broncos don't know who they're going to draft, although i learned today that there are a dozen or so candidates, among which one will surface as the second, then the 3a, 3b & so on.

A lot of folks...Pat Saunders among them, believe there is a pass rusher coveted by the team that they believe may fall in their laps, but who that is is speculative...perhaps Demarcus Ware of Troy...the Paul Toviessi of 2005 if it happens in my opinion.

Jim Armstrong of the Post believes the Broncos will take a very hard look at QB at 3a, 3b & 3c. Armstrong believes the team will pull the trigger on a QB with one of those picks.

Vince Jackson is tempting...and the Broncos coaches have researched his potential pretty extensively, but what I heard today is that he's just too raw to risk a 2nd rounder.

If there in the third, however, the Broncos will likely take him, but Seattle, Tennessee, Pittsburgh & Miami have all expressed considerable interest in the Nothern Colorado product.

If there is a rough consensus...and only barely...it is that the second rounder will either be a D-lineman or a DB...with the hope that the sheer depth of this draft at DB delivers a steal of sorts at 56.

3a will likely be a WR, or, if a WR is taken at 56, then DB at 3a.

O-Line will have to wait for 3b at the earliest...more than likely the very last selection of the third round...UNLESS, a top prospect just falls in their lap

The Broncos are eyeing a Punter, but a name is hard to come by...someone mentioned Gary Cook of UNLV, but I know nothing about him.

Further, the Broncos are hinting the 6th round is the likely place where a punter would be considered, and only then if he tops their board at that time.

Mike Shanahan was all smiles today and only allowed a couple of questions...saying the team was still talking to other teams about possible trades, but also saying the Broncos are very happy with where they are positioned & are ready to make their picks.

That's about it...other than the damned print media sucking down the chips & cold cuts ebforeanyone else had even a punchers shot at anything.

Personally, I enjoyed the soggy potato chip pieces & dill pickles. I can only say at this late hour it is fortunate I do, in fact, live alone.

Could that pass rusher by Justin Tuck?

[bloodsunday]

Better speed, Better hands, Better RAC ability, Longsnapper, played against better competition and with all that yes may have had to move to TE.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. The guy may have some work to do, but I think he is as good a prospect as Jones. You have no basis for what you just said other than combine stats. Fact is the guy has never played the position in a real game and he could have crappy hands, crappy route running, etc...

Jackson is well deserving of a #2 pick.

[bloodsunday]

F*** this draft if wabbit is even close to correct. I think we end up with some project (Routt) DB that is going to be behind Alexander and LeSeur (great value?). We'll probably end up with Fred Gibson, who is exactly the same receiver as Lelie, but maybe less polished? Then we'll get some 250 pound athletic lineman in the 6th round and send him to NFL Europe next seaon.

God dammit I'm freaked out now. I am going to hide in a closet and not come out until the damage is done.

S**T San Diego is going to go and get Simeon Rice and we'll have officially sealed the worst offseason of any AFC West team

[Mediator12]

F*** this draft if wabbit is even close to correct. I think we end up with some project (Routt) DB that is going to be behind Alexander and LeSeur (great value?). We'll probably end up with Fred Gibson, who is exactly the same receiver as Lelie, but maybe less polished? Then we'll get some 250 pound athletic lineman in the 6th round and send him to NFL Europe next seaon.

God dammit I'm freaked out now. I am going to hide in a closet and not come out until the damage is done.

S**T San Diego is going to go and get Simeon Rice and we'll have officially sealed the worst offseason of any AFC West team

Relax Dude. You have been fairly even keel till this.

Still Looks Possible with Wabbit's analysis.

2. Bullocks/Webster/Perkins
3. Jackson/
3b. Mathis/Mankins
3c. BPA

[plummershelper]

So with all of this talk by Williamson I believe about possibly taking a QB in the third does anyone think that Saban may be looking at getting Mauck back in a trade? If Miami is balking at taking a QB in the first, this may be their plan. Also, I believe someone postulated the idea of Mikey Anderson being shipped there as well, again following along the lines of Miami NOT taking one of their glaring needs. Could we be seeing a trade partner? I also remember hearing last year that Shanny was quite high on David Greene. Should be an exciting day.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Could that pass rusher by Justin Tuck?

Crap I hope not. The guy can't play the game. Turtles when a 175 pound back blocks him and stands with his hands on his hips when the play goes away from him.

[Chi3fsRock]

If we get Jackson its going to take more then Surtain to stop us.


And we have more than Surtain.

[plummershelper]

And we have more than Surtain.
Seriously, let it go. Go wank off in a pow wow with your own club of mullet loving freaks

[rbackfactory80]

I think Vincent Jackson will be gone by the 56th pick. I think its going to be Fabian Washington of Nebraska.
Are you kidding, Fabian will be gone in the first round, no doubt.

[rbackfactory80]

And we have more than Surtain.
You guys suck. The chiefs suck, have no wide outs, garbage secondary even with the overpaid Surtain, and the three stupid free agents you guys picked up will maybe propell you to a 4-12 season.

[Northman]

Im hoping for Elton Brown OG. :)

[Rohirrim]

Mark Bradley, WR, OK

[DBroncos4life]

And we have more than Surtain.



Yeah Burntfield and Burntee! That will stop us. ugh!~

[BombsOverBaghdad]

In order of preference:
2nd round (one of the following should be available)
a) David Baas OG
b) Mike Patterson DT
c) Erasmus James DE

3rd round
a) Vince Jackson WR
b) Evan Mathias G
c) Logan Mankins G
d) Brandon Browner S
e) Micheal Munoz OT
f) Antonio Perkins CB

Certainly am no expert (and have not followed it as much as in the past), but these are a few names that have intrigued me -- hopefully I have pegged at least the round these players will be drafted.

[bloodsunday]

Relax Dude. You have been fairly even keel till this.

Still Looks Possible with Wabbit's analysis.

2. Bullocks/Webster/Perkins
3. Jackson/
3b. Mathis/Mankins
3c. BPA

I just view these first 4 picks as making or breaking our offseason. I don't know much about prospects beyone the first 3 rounds. All the indications I have seen are that the prospects we like fall on the same lines as everything else:

1) Project DBs (Routt)
2) Injured DBs (Webster)
3) Project offensive lineman that fit our "system"
4) Tall, skinny WR that cannot avoid the Jam or get open in the redzone

We have plenty of each of these, so let's change it up a little, IMO.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

i would like to see (in order of favorites)

2. josh bullocks
vincent jackson

3. antonio perkins
adrian mcpherson
logan mankins
eric green
jovan haye