screw him

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

right now i am laughing at kelly herndon...(pictured here) :hitself:


he left us to start, and now he is going back to the nickel. hahahaha. tahts what he deserves for leaving...its karma. (im kinda bitter about FA's that decide to leave...i cant even begin to tell you how pissed i am about kenoy.)

hopefully he wishes he was back here...regrets are a bitch

[Spider]

right now i am laughing at kelly herndon...(pictured here) :hitself:


he left us to start, and now he is going back to the nickel. hahahaha. tahts what he deserves for leaving...its karma. (im kinda bitter about FA's that decide to leave...i cant even begin to tell you how pissed i am about kenoy.)

hopefully he wishes he was back here...regrets are a bitch
;D it happened to Ian Gold

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm sure all the extra 0's Kelly sees when he looks at his bank statement really soften the blow

[ro_50]

Football is a revolving door w/ players coming and going and: MONEY TALKS.

How can you pass up all of that money that the Hawks offered Herndon and Lions offered Kennedy money comparable to other safeties. I aint mad they left, that happens in football.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

if i were in football...if i had the chance to play for the seahawks/lions at $3 million/year (just a number) or i could play for the broncos for $2 million...i would choose the broncos, because i have plenty of money to get by on, plus teh chance at a super bowl...neither of those teams is getting a ring anytime soon. i guess you just have to ask yourself...for love or money?

if they want money, then thats on them

[RhymesayersDU]

It's so easy for you to say that, but it's a fact of life, you can never have enough money.

I can't wait for somebody to come in here saying they'd play for free.

/jerk off motion

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I thought this thread was about me.

[yavoon]

if i were in football...if i had the chance to play for the seahawks/lions at $3 million/year (just a number) or i could play for the broncos for $2 million...i would choose the broncos, because i have plenty of money to get by on, plus teh chance at a super bowl...neither of those teams is getting a ring anytime soon. i guess you just have to ask yourself...for love or money?

if they want money, then thats on them

u simply can't say that, football power fluctuates fast. u could go somewhere for love and then several FA signings bomb the teams cap and they're mediocre for 3 years followed by bad for another 3

[SoCalBronco]

/jerk off motion

Save this for tomorrow, hopefully.

[Taco John]

if i were in football...if i had the chance to play for the seahawks/lions at $3 million/year (just a number) or i could play for the broncos for $2 million...i would choose the broncos, because i have plenty of money to get by on, plus teh chance at a super bowl...neither of those teams is getting a ring anytime soon. i guess you just have to ask yourself...for love or money?

if they want money, then thats on them



Whatever. I love the Broncos, but if I was in the league I'm thinking about my family's long term security. Players only get a shot at this type of money during a very short window of opportunity. You've got to do what you can while you can to maximize your earnings while that window is open.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Save this for tomorrow, hopefully.

Whatever floats your boat on draft day. Guess we all know what happened last year after Tags announced the 17th overall pick.

[Play2win]

It's so easy for you to say that, but it's a fact of life, you can never have enough money.

I can't wait for somebody to come in here saying they'd play for free.

/jerk off motion

Zo Just did.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

when someone is earning millions no matter where they play, just a matter of how many millions, it sounds like latrell sprewell saying he has to worry about his family...Having a family to feed is a joke when you earn millions...you worry about that when you are making $20,000 a year...not 2 million. give me a break...maybe i am a little too idealistic, but players such as kennedy and herndon, who the broncos are the team that gave them their break in this league, i think you owe it to your team...they made an investment in you, both in money and time developing you. i guess it comes down to loyalty...agree or disagree doesnt matter to me, they could have stayed and still kept food on the table.

[yavoon]

when someone is earning millions no matter where they play, just a matter of how many millions, it sounds like latrell sprewell saying he has to worry about his family...Having a family to feed is a joke when you earn millions...you worry about that when you are making $20,000 a year...not 2 million. give me a break...maybe i am a little too idealistic, but players such as kennedy and herndon, who the broncos are the team that gave them their break in this league, i think you owe it to your team...they made an investment in you, both in money and time developing you. i guess it comes down to loyalty...agree or disagree doesnt matter to me, they could have stayed and still kept food on the table.

but they aren't guarenteed any of it. 2 million over 10 years sounds like plenty for a man ina lifetime and it probably is. 2 million over one year then blowing out a knee is actually not a whole lot of money.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

so you have to plan for injury? make as much money as you can while you are still healthy? then if you're lucky enough to make your money, only worry about happiness and winning super bowls in the twilight of your career?

2 million is 2 million...if you blow out a knee, they both went to college, they have degrees to fall back on.

[RhymesayersDU]

hahaha @ they have degrees to fall back on.

There's no such thing as student athletes.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

hahaha @ they have degrees to fall back on.

There's no such thing as student athletes.

i agree, but the still technically graduated...and thats all employers care about...

it really is a nonissue though, career ending injuries are not very common...and definitely not something you should count on

[Taco John]

when someone is earning millions no matter where they play, just a matter of how many millions, it sounds like latrell sprewell saying he has to worry about his family...Having a family to feed is a joke when you earn millions...you worry about that when you are making $20,000 a year...not 2 million. give me a break...maybe i am a little too idealistic, but players such as kennedy and herndon, who the broncos are the team that gave them their break in this league, i think you owe it to your team...they made an investment in you, both in money and time developing you. i guess it comes down to loyalty...agree or disagree doesnt matter to me, they could have stayed and still kept food on the table.



Birthday: 1988


That explains it. You should print out this thread, and put it somewhere that you'll find in ten years when you have to pay a mortgage, rent, and taxes. That way you could get the same laugh that everybody else is getting from your statements here...

[Taco John]

i agree, but the still technically graduated...and thats all employers care about...

it really is a nonissue though, career ending injuries are not very common...and definitely not something you should count on



Wow... The hits just keep coming...

With maturity, you eventually learn that in life you are best to hope for the best, but plan for the worst. It's not about "counting" on getting injured. It's about having a plan in the event that you do.

[ro_50]

You dont get it IBleedOrangeandBlue. This is about adults making decisions not based primarliy on the field success, but also their families and long term security. There is not a problem when a player wants to go play somewhere else if they offer more money.

And besides, The Broncos really elected to keep Walls over Herndon even though Kelly started the entire year while Walls was banged up.

[RhymesayersDU]

i agree, but the still technically graduated...and thats all employers care about...

it really is a nonissue though, career ending injuries are not very common...and definitely not something you should count on

Maybe they graduated, maybe not. Do we even know? They may have left school after two years. Even if they stayed for 4 years, they may not have graduated.

I would grab all the cash I could, if I were in the position. You'd be stupid not to.

[SoCalBronco]

Whatever floats your boat on draft day. Guess we all know what happened last year after Tags announced the 17th overall pick.


;D

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

It's so easy for you to say that, but it's a fact of life, you can never have enough money.

I can't wait for somebody to come in here saying they'd play for free.

/jerk off motion



-Zo Just did.

OK, Again AlonZO mourning Just Played his whole year for FREE!!

He Donated his whole season's salary to benefit Kidney patients!!

How Cool is THAT?!?

[ro_50]

Zo did donate the money he made after joining the Heat, but he still got a lot of money from his buyout from the contract he signed with the Nets in the Summer of 03, which was approximately $15 million.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

im 16, not 4....please dont talk to me like im a toddler, its not very respectful.

maybe i am asking a little too much of people...money is number one in people's hearts nowadays, and asking for people to choose over that im sure is too much.

i didnt mean to upset so many people with this thread, and i dont want you to think that i am hostile towards herndon or KK, and i realize it happens all the time in pro sports, i just think what happened to kelly is ironic.

with that said...there are guys out there who are willing to take pay cuts for their team, they would do anything for their guys as long as they stay apart of that group...and it is those guys that i appreciate most in sports. I dont think that is asking too much...but as you guys said...im just a stupid kid.

[Play2win]

Zo did donate the money he made after joining the Heat, but he still got a lot of money from his buyout from the contract he signed with the Nets in the Summer of 03, which was approximately $15 million.
OK, so not completely for free, but its the kind of move and gesture I am not used to from today's modern athletes.

Zo, more power to you. good move for doing something you didn't have to do.

[Northman]

Whatever. I love the Broncos, but if I was in the league I'm thinking about my family's long term security. Players only get a shot at this type of money during a very short window of opportunity. You've got to do what you can while you can to maximize your earnings while that window is open.


Yeeeep.

[Crushaholic]

There is very little loyalty in professional sports. Teams make decisions all the time to cut you, play you, or trade you like a piece of meat. Players certainly should have the right to determine what's best for them and their family, just like team management and coaching staff has the right to make decisions based on what's best for the team.

[DBroncos4life]

Whatever floats your boat on draft day. Guess we all know what happened last year after Tags announced the 17th overall pick.



I will plug in the web cam if we draft Bullocks!!!!

[RhymesayersDU]

Play2Win, I don't want it to seem like your comments are being ignored.

Zo has always been a class act, and his actions really don't surprise me. It is a huge gesture from one of the really good guys.

Back to the issue at hand, Crushaholic brought up a good point. Owners can cut somebody, and their contract is gone and they get zip. And thus, players have to go get as much as they can right now.

[SoCalBronco]

I will plug in the web cam if we draft Bullocks!!!!

rofl

[ro_50]

Zo is definately one of the good guys of the league. He has done so much for the local community and a warrior on the court.

[Jason in LA]

IHaveALongUserName,

I could see your point if the Broncos offered Herndon a big contract. But they didn't. If he had stayed a Bronco he would have made around $600K. But he signs with the Seahawks, gets $5 million upfront, and will average $3 million a year. The Broncos offer isn't even close. It would be totally insane if he had stayed a Broncos, and passed up a $15 million contract, to play for a one year deal at $600K. Herndon is set up for life now (if he's smart). With the Broncos he would have made a good amount for one year, but he wouldn't have been set for life.

If Herndon had stayed, Walls would probably have taken the starters job back from him (Herndon never won it in either year). If that happened, there goes any chance at getting a big contract. If Herndon stayed with the Broncos there would have been a good chance of him never getting a big contract.

It's silly to get mad at a player for taking a much better offer. If the Broncos had offered him a $14 million contract, and he took the $15 million instead, I could see your point. There isn't much of a difference. But $600K to $15 million? Dude, you are nuts.

Herndon did the right thing.

Would you work for your father, who you had a great relationship with, for $30K, if somebody else offered you $150K? Hell no. Your loyalties would fly out the window.

[Jason in LA]

One other point. The Broncos weren't very loyal to Herndon. He started the past two years, and he did give it his all. No question about that. How did they reward him? They offered him $600K for one year. Why would Herndon be loyal to the Broncos when they didn't take care of him?

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

no no no....i understand that perfectly

im not blaming him for it...if i said was mad, i lied...i just meant that i think its funny that now he wont even be starting in seattle, his supposed major reason for leaving.

our offer to kenoy was not nearly as cheap as the one to kelly, i thought we were being more than fair with him...but thats football i guess. Maybe he will come back like ian gold did?! ya never know

[Jason in LA]

I don't think anybody believes Herndon left for a starters job. He had it with the Broncos, and would have had a chance to keep it in training camp. Everybody knew he left for the money, which he should have. If he ends up a nickel back, he's probably the highest paid nickel back in the league. All that money will let him sleep well at night.

How much did the Broncos offer Kennedy? Was it really close to what he ended up getting with the Lions?

[GCKansas]

It is idealistic to think that a player will stay with a team for less money just because they owe that team something for giving them their start. The teams whether it be the broncos, chiefs, patriots or any other team have no loyalty to the players so why should the players not go where the money is. The patriots are a classic example with Troy Brown. That man gave it all to the team playing both ways because of all the injuries they had in the secondary and obviously played pretty well considering the results of their season and how did the patriots award him, by releasing him. You want a player to give up a more money to be loyal to that. Bottom line the NFL is a business and you go work where you are most wanted. It doesn't mean you didn't enjoy your job, it means you are doing what is best for youself.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

i have already said im being very idealistic...read up...you're clearly from kansas

i would not say there is no loyalty between teams and players, i think there definitely is...but you are right when you say it is a business

i would like us to go after troy brown

[Play2win]

Play2Win, I don't want it to seem like your comments are being ignored.

Zo has always been a class act, and his actions really don't surprise me. It is a huge gesture from one of the really good guys.

Back to the issue at hand, Crushaholic brought up a good point. Owners can cut somebody, and their contract is gone and they get zip. And thus, players have to go get as much as they can right now.
Thanks, man.

I remember ZO all the way back when he used to star at Georgetown.

[Play2win]

I don't think anybody believes Herndon left for a starters job. He had it with the Broncos, and would have had a chance to keep it in training camp. Everybody knew he left for the money, which he should have. If he ends up a nickel back, he's probably the highest paid nickel back in the league. All that money will let him sleep well at night.

How much did the Broncos offer Kennedy? Was it really close to what he ended up getting with the Lions?
Herndon comes back with the Broncos, he's #4 CB.

The best thing that happened to the Broncos this offseason, is that Kennedy left. Hate to say it, but its true, Addition by subtraction.

[Atlas]

right now i am laughing at kelly herndon...(pictured here) :hitself:


he left us to start, and now he is going back to the nickel. hahahaha. tahts what he deserves for leaving...its karma. (im kinda bitter about FA's that decide to leave...i cant even begin to tell you how pissed i am about kenoy.)

hopefully he wishes he was back here...regrets are a bitch

He left because Seattle gave him a huge contract and Denver didn't match it.

I don't blame him one bit.

[Atlas]

Herndan is a class guy that gives his all everytime he goes on the field. I wish him luck and I think we all agree he made the best decision.

[Jason in LA]

Bottom line, if Herndon had stayed with the Broncos for way less money, he'd be the dumbest SOB in the league. I wish the guy well. Hell, if I'm playing for the Broncos, who I have rooted for for 18 years, for only $600K for a year, and another team offered me $15 million, I'm taking the money. Herndon stays and he never sees a big contract.

[Alkazar]

im 16, not 4....please dont talk to me like im a toddler, its not very respectful.

maybe i am asking a little too much of people...money is number one in people's hearts nowadays, and asking for people to choose over that im sure is too much.

i didnt mean to upset so many people with this thread, and i dont want you to think that i am hostile towards herndon or KK, and i realize it happens all the time in pro sports, i just think what happened to kelly is ironic.

with that said...there are guys out there who are willing to take pay cuts for their team, they would do anything for their guys as long as they stay apart of that group...and it is those guys that i appreciate most in sports. I dont think that is asking too much...but as you guys said...im just a stupid kid.

Personally, I agree with you and I ain't no young buck either. The greed of the professional athlete today is, to me astounding. To everyone who claims these guys are "just looking out for thier families and providing for thier futures", thats just bull crap. People do that every day on salaries of $50,000 a year and less. Also, as someone else pointed out, these players have the benefit of a college education, if they fail to make the most of that, don't expect sympathy from me. I don't have the benefit of a full college education and yet I am doing on a meager income what they claim they need millions of dollars to do, and want me to help pay them for. I'm not saying the athlete is completely wrong for getting the most he can, but don't lie to me about, call it for what it is, greed.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

Personally, I agree with you and I ain't no young buck either. The greed of the professional athlete today is, to me astounding. To everyone who claims these guys are "just looking out for thier families and providing for thier futures", thats just bull crap. People do that every day on salaries of $50,000 a year and less. Also, as someone else pointed out, these players have the benefit of a college education, if they fail to make the most of that, don't expect sympathy from me. I don't have the benefit of a full college education and yet I am doing on a meager income what they claim they need millions of dollars to do, and want me to help pay them for. I'm not saying the athlete is completely wrong for getting the most he can, but don't lie to me about, call it for what it is, greed.

wow, im not alone after all...thanks alkazar. you are on the money, said my feelings better than i could have this whole time.

[Alkazar]

wow, im not alone after all...thanks alkazar. you are on the money, said my feelings better than i could have this whole time.
Heh heh, I'm just an old fashioned kinda guy and its nice to see some kids nowadays still have my kinda values, loyalty, good work ethics, etc. I don't mean to be throwing barbs at everyone else, I just get kinda ticked when these athletes get ultra-greedy, claim thier just trying to look out for thier families, and most of the fan base buys into it hook, line, and sinker. The fans buy the high priced tickets and complain about the price, but then gripe when we don't pay some high-on-himself, big mouthed player the multi-millions he wants, just so that he can go play a game, which in turn will raise ticket prices even further.