You will have 14 opportunities during the regular season to win games.

[crazyhorse]

But you can forget about winning against the Chiefs.

Knowing that the road through the AFC West will go through KC is a great reason to trade your 2005 draft away.

I have come to the realization that "The Plan" has likely always been to plan for next year. Cuz you obviously arent going anywhere this year. I see the logic there, but it's somewhat gutless on the part of the Denver Broncos organization. I would probably still try to win this year.

Makes it tough on the season ticket holders though, for sure.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is the year we get that elusive sweep. Sir Tain and The Red Knight will storm Castle Invesco!

[missingnumber7]

Hittin the bottle a little early this year aren't we?

[Paladin]

I doubt it.

[Tredici]

I see the yearly "We's Goin' To The Super Bowl" optimism of the eternally spotted minded Chief fans have arrived early this year.

[crazyhorse]

Hittin the bottle a little early this year aren't we?

It is April for gods sake.

[crazyhorse]

I see the yearly "We's Goin' To The Super Bowl" optimism of the eternally spotted minded Chief fans have arrived early this year.

Naw. I never do that. I have seen to many Superbowl seasons turn into nothing. But I do have my "Broncos ass whipping" sunglasses on.

[bronco militia]

I see the yearly "We's Goin' To The Super Bowl" optimism of the eternally spotted minded Chief fans have arrived early this year.


I thought they got started late this year...

But the chiefs always win the OFFSEASON SUPER BOWL!!

back to back champs...again!!

:woowoo:

[Rock Chalk]

So, you got a good but aging corner in surtain.

How you gonna stop Tatum? You cant. Just like you couldnt stop little ass Q, or Portis.

[Mile High Shack]

don't feed the trolls

[crazyhorse]

So, you got a good but aging corner in surtain.

How you gonna stop Tatum? You cant. Just like you couldnt stop little ass Q, or Portis.

Uh huh. Run Q up in there again and see what happens. Who is Tatum? ;)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So, you got a good but aging corner in surtain.

How you gonna stop Tatum? You cant. Just like you couldnt stop little ass Q, or Portis.

45-17

29 is hardly "aging."

[Mile High Shack]

45-17

29 is hardly "aging."
Congrats on your superbowl win in December last year

[Rock Chalk]

Uh huh. Run Q up in there again and see what happens. Who is Tatum? ;)

Who's Tatum?

The guy that is going to make you pricks look stupid....again.

[Nuggets4]

don't feed the trolls

Quoted for truth.

[Rock Chalk]

45-17

29 is hardly "aging."
For a corner, thats aging.

Two years from now he will be converted to safety.

two years after that Surtain will be out of the league.

So you guys got an aging corner.

[Ballhawk]

I have no problem with KC improving, this is their last stand and it won't be enough.

I am just hoping that the AFC West can pull a sweep on the Redskins!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Who's Tatum?

The guy that is going to make you pricks look stupid....again.

Not if Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight have anything to say about it! And Surtain is a very good run support CB.

[crazyhorse]

Who's Tatum?

The guy that is going to make you pricks look stupid....again.

He's not that dude that ran for like 80 yards and fumbled at the 1 yard line? Is he?!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

For a corner, thats aging.

Two years from now he will be converted to safety.

two years after that Surtain will be out of the league.

So you guys got an aging corner.

That is ridiculous! James Hasty played corner at a high level until he retired.

Yeah, most corners are converted to safety at 31. God you're an idiot.

[crazyhorse]

I am just hoping that the AFC West can pull a sweep on the Redskins!!

"THE PLAN"!

[Taco John]

Not if Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight have anything to say about it!



Considering that one can't pass a physical, and the other one is average, I don't know what anyone cares what they'd say about it.

The only thing the Chiefs have done all offseason worth mentioning happened today.

[RaiderH8r]

But you can forget about winning against the Chiefs.

Knowing that the road through the AFC West will go through KC is a great reason to trade your 2005 draft away.

I have come to the realization that "The Plan" has likely always been to plan for next year. Cuz you obviously arent going anywhere this year. I see the logic there, but it's somewhat gutless on the part of the Denver Broncos organization. I would probably still try to win this year.

Makes it tough on the season ticket holders though, for sure.
Oh for f!ck's sake here we go. It's just like here in DC, the Skins are SB champs every April, but come August they're crying the blues about next year. This is the fate of KC Chorfs.

You guys didn't even get a whiff of the playoffs last year and now it's all talking **** about sweeping the big bad Broncos. One year ago at this time Goonther was the second coming of your savior and this year it's Surtaint. Big f!cking deal, you guys are still 9-10 real starters away from a contending defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Considering that one can't pass a physical, and the other one is average, I don't know what anyone cares what they'd say about it.

The only thing the Chiefs have done all offseason worth mentioning happened today.

I don't know what you're talking about. Bell passed our physical with flying colors. The Giants failed him because of "shoulder arthritis." You can find arthritis in the joints of most NFL players.

Sammy Knight is average yet has the most interceptions in the NFL over the last 8 years. Right.

[Atlas]

Considering that one can't pass a physical, and the other one is average, I don't know what anyone cares what they'd say about it.

The only thing the Chiefs have done all offseason worth mentioning happened today.

You forgot they also signed that injured LBer

[Rock Chalk]

That is ridiculous! James Hasty played corner at a high level until he retired.

Yeah, most corners are converted to safety at 31. God you're an idiot.

I didnt say anything about most corners or James Hasty. I'm talking about Surtain here, follow the conversation dickwad.

The only reason he is considered as good as he is is because MIami had a kick ass D-line all those years that allowed him to make plays, that and Sam Madison on the other side of the field kinda helped.

With KC's crap line, Surtain will suffer about the same fate as Bartee and the rest of that f*cked up secondary in KC.

As for the idiot comment, I'll take my chances that of the two people in this conversation, Im not the idiot.

[crazyhorse]

Considering that one can't pass a physical, and the other one is average, I don't know what anyone cares what they'd say about it.

The only thing the Chiefs have done all offseason worth mentioning happened today.

I disagree TJ. I believe that Knight is not just better than average, I believe he's a better pick up than is Bell. I think he will be the John Lynch for the Chiefs.

[crazyhorse]

I didnt say anything about most corners or James Hasty. I'm talking about Surtain here, follow the conversation dickwad.

The only reason he is considered as good as he is is because MIami had a kick ass D-line all those years that allowed him to make plays, that and Sam Madison on the other side of the field kinda helped.

With KC's crap line, Surtain will suffer about the same fate as Bartee and the rest of that f*cked up secondary in KC.

As for the idiot comment, I'll take my chances that of the two people in this conversation, Im not the idiot.

You're both idiots. Let's be fair here.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I didnt say anything about most corners or James Hasty. I'm talking about Surtain here, follow the conversation dickwad.

The only reason he is considered as good as he is is because MIami had a kick ass D-line all those years that allowed him to make plays, that and Sam Madison on the other side of the field kinda helped.

With KC's crap line, Surtain will suffer about the same fate as Bartee and the rest of that f*cked up secondary in KC.

As for the idiot comment, I'll take my chances that of the two people in this conversation, Im not the idiot.

Uh, you said "29 is aging for a corner." That statement covers all corners in the NFL, does it not?

Hahahahahaha! Crap line? Our front seven had more sacks than the Miami front seven last season. I think we will be just fine with Surtain.

Looks like you ARE the idiot.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I disagree TJ. I believe that Knight is not just better than average, I believe he's a better pick up than is Bell. I think he will be the John Lynch for the Chiefs.

That's how I've been treating his signing. And he's more of a ballhawk than Lynch ever was. Not to mention more durable.

[Taco John]

I don't know what you're talking about. Bell passed our physical with flying colors. The Giants failed him because of "shoulder arthritis." You can find arthritis in the joints of most NFL players.

Sammy Knight is average yet has the most interceptions in the NFL over the last 8 years. Right.


8 years? Who cares what he's done in 8 years... It's the last two years that the guy fell off... Mostly because he's so slow and can't get to the tackle quick enough... Here's a DB who used to be good for 80 tackles a season... This last season, he registered 52. The guy is an improvement over what you had, but that improvement is so marginal that it's barely worth mentioning....

Of course, those pathetic 52 tackles beats the 6 that Kendrell Bell had last season... A linebacker in his fifth year who is already failing physicals for arthritic shoulders!? ROFL! What an improvement!

Patrick Surtain is the only move of consequence that you've made to improve your defense, and the best part about it is that Eric Warfield is going to get thrown on more... So how is that such a fantastic improvement?

[crazyhorse]

That's how I've been treating his signing. And he's more of a ballhawk than Lynch ever was. Not to mention more durable.

He hasn't seen the spotlight as has Lynch. Lynch was on a great defense in Tampa.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

8 years? Who cares what he's done in 8 years... It's the last two years that the guy fell off... Mostly because he's so slow and can't get to the tackle quick enough... Here's a DB who used to be good for 80 tackles a season... This last season, he registered 52. The guy is an improvement over what you had, but that improvement is so marginal that it's barely worth mentioning....

Of course, those pathetic 52 tackles beats the 6 that Kendrell Bell had last season... A linebacker in his fifth year who is already failing physicals for arthritic shoulders!? ROFL! What an improvement!

Patrick Surtain is the only move of consequence that you've made to improve your defense, and the best part about it is that Eric Warfield is going to get thrown on more... So how is that such a fantastic improvement?

Um...Knight had 98 tackles and 4 interceptions last year. Pretty much on par for most of his career. He hasn't fallen off at all. If you're going by SOLO tackles, yes he had 52, but that's more than your beloved John Lynch had.

Kendrell Bell failed the GIANTS physical, not ours. His injuries were mostly related to off-the-field issues anyway.

Eric Warfield's going to have his best season as a pro in 2005. Why? He's not going to be covering #1 WRs anymore.

[Mile High Shack]

Chiefs..superbowl champs April 2005

[Mile High Shack]

Um...Knight had 98 tackles and 4 interceptions last year. Pretty much on par for most of his career. He hasn't fallen off at all. If you're going by SOLO tackles, yes he had 52, but that's more than your beloved John Lynch had.

Kendrell Bell failed the GIANTS physical, not ours. His injuries were mostly related to off-the-field issues anyway.

Eric Warfield's going to have his best season as a pro in 2005. Why? He's not going to be covering #1 WRs anymore.

too bad most #5 WRs can beat him

[eddie mac]

Never mind the smack. There's at least a couple of Chief fans on here who deserve a good slap. But rather than turn to violence at my age I'll let Tatum, Rod, Jake, Trevor, Al, DJ, Champ and John accomplish that in September and in December!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Never mind the smack. There's at least a couple of Chief fans on here who deserve a good slap. But rather than turn to violence at my age I'll let Tatum, Rod, Jake, Trevor, Al, DJ, Champ and John accomplish that in September and in December!

Yeah, I've had more than enough offseason speculation this year already. I want to see these guys on the field doing what they do best: play great defense.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah, I've had more than enough offseason speculation this year already. I want to see these guys on the field doing what they do best: play great defense.

STFU boob, if it wasn't for your stupid smack talk you would have nothing to offer on this message board...you THRIVE on offseason speculation and April superbowls

everyone needs an idiot to kick around to help their self esteem

[Crushaholic]

I think he will be the John Lynch for the Chiefs.

Heavily and unjustifiably fined? Not to mention wrongly considered one of the dirtiest players in the game? Good luck with that one... :pity:

[DBroncos4life]

Enjoy this last great run KC fans because after this year the team will be nothing. Shields will be gone, Roaf will be gone, Holmes will be gone. The team is getting older with no real youth at skill positions besides LJ. If you fail this year you fall to the bottom of the NFL for YEARS!!!!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Enjoy this last great run KC fans because after this year the team will be nothing. Shields will be gone, Roaf will be gone, Holmes will be gone. The team is getting older with no real youth at skill positions besides LJ. If you fail this year you fall to the bottom of the NFL for YEARS!!!!!

Maybe not for years, but I do agree this is probably our last good chance for awhile.

But we will still have some good young talent to build on. I'd like to see the Chiefs trade Tony Gonzalez for picks after this year.

[Taco John]

If you're going by SOLO tackles, yes he had 52, but that's more than your beloved John Lynch had.



John Lynch wasn't on one of the worst defenses to suit up in NFL history. Sammy Knight just joined one.

[bronco militia]

this thread may be too lame for the butt...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

John Lynch wasn't on one of the worst defenses to suit up in NFL history. Sammy Knight just joined one.

He's only going to make it better. And who knows what the draft will bring.

Did you have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of denial when it was time for the Chiefs to find an offense at the turn of the millenium, too?

[DBroncos4life]

Maybe not for years, but I do agree this is probably our last good chance for awhile.

But we will still have some good young talent to build on. I'd like to see the Chiefs trade Tony Gonzalez for picks after this year.


Well bob it would depend on the coach that KC brings in.

[Taco John]

this thread may be too lame for the butt...




Same story different year... The Chiefs improve marginally, and they're all over the place acting as if they're making moves... How many years in a row have we heard about it now?

Like the Redskins, the Chiefs seem to win the Superbowl every Summer...

[orange crusher]

He's not that dude that ran for like 80 yards and fumbled at the 1 yard line? Is he?!

I think you've got him confused with Dainty Hall returning kicks against Sandy Eggo.

[elsid13]

Maybe not for years, but I do agree this is probably our last good chance for awhile.

But we will still have some good young talent to build on. I'd like to see the Chiefs trade Tony Gonzalez for picks after this year.

I’m curious (no smack intend yet) what young talent are you talking about? I can not think of anyone in my mind that as opposing fan that I’m concerned about, like the KC Oakland and SD fans should be concerned about like Bell or DJ

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I’m curious (no smack intend yet) what young talent are you talking about? I can not think of anyone in my mind that as opposing fan that I’m concerned about, like the KC Oakland and SD fans should be concerned about like Bell or DJ

Larry Johnson
Brian Waters
Kris Wilson
Samie Parker

If we kept Tony Gonzalez and LJ and drafted a stud WR that would be MORE than enough to build an offense around. Tony G is only 28.

Defensively there's Jared Allen, Scott Fujita, Junior Siavii, Keyaron Fox.

[DBroncos4life]

Larry Johnson
Brian Waters
Kris Wilson
Samie Parker

If we kept Tony Gonzalez and LJ and drafted a stud WR that would be MORE than enough to build an offense around. Tony G is only 28.

Defensively there's Jared Allen, Scott Fujita, Junior Siavii, Keyaron Fox.


tg is 29. Parker did as much as Luke, and you don't hear us hyping him up!

[Taco John]

Defensively there's Jared Allen, Scott Fujita, Junior Siavii, Keyaron Fox.


Wow. Whenever someone mentions the names of a bunch of roleplayer nobodies from one of the worst defenses of all time, I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wow. Whenever someone mentions the names of a bunch of roleplayer nobodies from one of the worst defenses of all time, I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

We're talking about young talent here. Especially Jared Allen.

[Mile High Shack]

We're talking about young talent here. Especially Jared Allen.

young yes...

good no...

suck ass.....yes

[Bob's your Information Minister]

young yes...

good no...

suck ass.....yes

Jared Allen had 9 sacks as a rookie.

[Mile High Shack]

Jared Allen had 9 sacks as a rookie.

ask Bronco fans about Mike Croel

[DBroncos4life]

We're talking about young talent here. Especially Jared Allen.


Did Hicks have a superstar year then go back to avg? Yep pretty sure the same could happen to Allen.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Did Hicks have a superstar year then go back to avg? Yep pretty sure the same could happen to Allen.

Not as a rookie.

Hicks got 14 sacks one year because pretty much everyone else on the D-line had a career year that season. The Chiefs D had 50 something sacks that year.

And to be fair Hicks had 9 sacks under GROB one year as well, so he's not all that bad.

[Taco John]

Putting pressure on the quarterback was never a problem with the GROB defense... Fundamentals like tackling were.

And as far as Jared Allen goes, I'll remain skeptical of an Idaho State defensive end until he's established himself as anything other than a promising Idaho State defensive end.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And as far as Jared Allen goes, I'll remain skeptical of an Idaho State defensive end until he's established himself as anything other than a promising Idaho State defensive end.

That's not what you said on the planet last November...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=104946

[elsid13]

The question for Allen will be what happen now that everyone has tape on him and knows what he likes to? Personnel I like the young talent on Denver better then anyone else in the AFC West.

[crazyhorse]

Surely you can find someone better than the leagues best rookie sacker to dog on.

[Ballhawk]

Surely you can find someone better than the leagues best rookie sacker to dog on.

KC was the best 7-9 team ever...Happy :kiddingme

[crazyhorse]

KC was the best 7-9 team ever...Happy :kiddingme

Yeah. I guess so.

How many of their 14 games do you think the Broncos will win next season?

[Ballhawk]

Yeah. I guess so.

How many of their 14 games do you think the Broncos will win next season?

Even if we do not win against KC that still leaves us 17 games left to play ???

[jbiel]

Crazyhorse, why are you such a little queer. You talk so damn tough and have these little smartasss remarks all the time. Is it just me, or are you one of those little 145 pounders and your experience in organized sports consists of gymnastics and track? Dude, thats cool though if posting this crap makes you feel better about yourself. I am just worried about you in the long run.

[crazyhorse]

Crazyhorse, why are you such a little queer. You talk so damn tough and have these little smartasss remarks all the time. Is it just me, or are you one of those little 145 pounders and your experience in organized sports consists of gymnastics and track? Dude, thats cool though if posting this crap makes you feel better about yourself. I am just worried about you in the long run.

I weigh 106 pounds and can beat your ass with my left hand.

[jbiel]

yep,

I think Crush Girl could kick your ass. You're about as mature as a 14 year old.
Go ahead and post a little smart remark back, I won't be viewing it.

peace brotha

[Taco John]

That's not what you said on the planet last November...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=104946



How does that change anything that I said? I thought he was fun to watch for one game, and was reminded by you that he actually sucked that game... So I don't know... I don't know how it changes even a comma of what I wrote previously.

[bpc]

OMG. A little early to start talking aren't we?

Listen. KC sucks. They are overated as hell every year. The only reason they won the division two years ago and gave anybody any hope was because of three blatant clip blocks. Had the Ref's not had blinders on, KC would be the perenial doormatt for the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders every year instead of 5 out of the last 6 years.

Sad but true.

Who cares if you signed an often injured K. Bell... or traded for big money Surtain. And how old is Sammy Knight?

No matter how much dressing you pour, your never going to turn chicken $hit into chicken salad.

Enjoy another season of being our bi!ches.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Gotta love the false bravado from the fans of a team with 1 winning season in the last 5. Makes you feel like you're talking to a Special Ed kid though.

[crazyhorse]

I won't be viewing it.

peace brotha

Peace..........if you decide to look one more time.

[Spider]

But you can forget about winning against the Chiefs.

Knowing that the road through the AFC West will go through KC is a great reason to trade your 2005 draft away.

I have come to the realization that "The Plan" has likely always been to plan for next year. Cuz you obviously arent going anywhere this year. I see the logic there, but it's somewhat gutless on the part of the Denver Broncos organization. I would probably still try to win this year.

Makes it tough on the season ticket holders though, for sure.
and they say using birth control is a bad thing ........

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Enjoy another season of being our bi!ches.

That's funny. The only team that was anyone's bitch last year was the Broncos.

Seems like the only way the Chiefs could get any respect around here is if they beat Denver by 4 touchdowns. Oh wait, nevermind.

[bpc]

And where did that get you?

Watching the playoffs from home. Good to see the Chiefs always get their big wins out of the way in December so they can either a. fall on their own sword during the playoffs, usually at home, or b. plan great vacations away from the $hit hole known as Kansas City.

[crazyhorse]

and they say using birth control is a bad thing ........

My mom did use birth control.

I wasn't havin' it. I was destined to be here. I am a part of .....

"The Plan".

[dbroncos31]

I see the yearly "We's Goin' To The Super Bowl" optimism of the eternally spotted minded Chief fans have arrived early this year.
this reminds me of last year. though the chiefs do actually have some players that could, if they remain healthy, maybe be contributors. notice the maybes and coulds. i think that the chiefs will be a decent team next year. maybe 9-7, 10-6 with a couple of breaks. but i'd hold off on the "Super Bowl" talk. Knight is not gonna be as good as you think. Surtain will be like Bailey, but a little worse. meaning he'll be burned a few times, maybe more. i think Bell will be on IR or be severely banged up by week 7. TrInt will have another ok season. your receivers suck.

[DBroncos4life]

That's funny. The only team that was anyone's bitch last year was the Broncos.

Seems like the only way the Chiefs could get any respect around here is if they beat Denver by 4 touchdowns. Oh wait, nevermind.



Well atleast we didn't drive down the field take a timeout on the 1 yard line to score a TD when we where down by 20 points, but whatever floats your boat! The score of that game should have been 45 to 20 but hey you guys sure showed us!

[bpc]

BTW, like it or not, our blow loss to you guys didn't end our season. Can you say the same for your blowout loss at our place?

The Chiefs season was over before it ever started.... actually, in all honesty, the Chiefs season was over the previous December when Portis cut through their defense like a hot knife through butter. The Chiefs were never the same after that.

[dbroncos31]

Well atleast we didn't drive down the field take a timeout on the 1 yard line to score a TD when we where down by 20 points, but whatever floats your boat! The score of that game should have been 45 to 20 but hey you guys sure showed us!
yeah i knowe. the chiefs were everyone's bitch last year. have an offense who needs a boost? put the chiefs on your schedule. they only got mildly decent near the end of the season. but damn, i could prolly score a couple of rushing TDs against your defense.

[DBroncos4life]

yeah i knowe. the chiefs were everyone's bitch last year. have an offense who needs a boost? put the chiefs on your schedule. they only got mildly decent near the end of the season. but damn, i could prolly score a couple of rushing TDs against your defense.



Well I wish we would have went into hurry up O when the game was over just to make the score look better but what can you do.

[Tredici]

45-17

29 is hardly "aging."

It's funny what number combinations get the Chef fans all warm and fuzzy.

9-7 seems a bit more relevent "overall".