Plummer the starter for how long?

[KillerBronco#76]

Im just curious how long you guys think jake will be our starting quarterback and when you think were gonna replace him.


I personaly think this is the season that jake realy proves himself and i believe he's gonna be our starter for another 4 seasons after this one before we finaly replace him.

:boohoo:

[Clockwork Orange]

The Broncos, because of their multiple 1st rounders next year, are in a position to draft Jake's eventual replacement a year from now and give him time to learn the system without being thrown to the wolves.

Jake will be here at least 2 or 3 more years under that scenario.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

2006 will be his last year as the starter, and he will be cut on June 1, 2007. The replacement will come from this weekend (McPherson) or next year's 1st round.

[Ray Finkle]

2006 will be his last year as the starter, and he will be cut on June 1, 2007. The replacement will come from this weekend (McPherson) or next year's 1st round.


If it is McPherson, I am going to vomit....this guy couldn't beat out Chris Rix in college and had 3rd stringers from the NFL have better stats then him in the Arena league. ugh!~

[alkemical]

I'd rather take the QB from louisville

[Ray Finkle]

Stefan LeFors
QB War Room analysis
Strengths: Drew notice with a solid senior season. Makes smart decisions and is a leader. Good athlete with a lively, though not extremely strong, arm. He has excellent instincts. Poised in the pocket. Can tuck the ball and runs well when he must. A lefthander who led a high-powered offense.

Weaknesses: Is generously listed at 6-0.

Bottom line: Size and concerns about his ability to take a pounding will hold him back and might keep him out of the draft. If selected, LeFors will go in the final rounds.

Dan Pompei analysis
Is an undersized lefthander who had a strong senior season. Doesn't blow anyone away with physical skills, but knows how to win. Avoids interceptions, and completes a high percentage of attempts. Is accurate. Throws the ball where only his receiver can catch it. Shows excellent touch and timing. Throws a catchable ball. Runs an offense well. Is heady, tough and mobile. Shows good instincts and vision. Has only OK arm strength. Must wind up to make downfield throws. Would fit in a West Coast scheme. Could be a Jeff Garcia type of quarterback.

[DBroncos4life]

Im going to say hes a Bronco tell he retires.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think it's Jake or Swim.

[Rock Chalk]

Stefan LeFors
QB War Room analysis
Strengths: Drew notice with a solid senior season. Makes smart decisions and is a leader. Good athlete with a lively, though not extremely strong, arm. He has excellent instincts. Poised in the pocket. Can tuck the ball and runs well when he must. A lefthander who led a high-powered offense.

Weaknesses: Is generously listed at 6-0.

Bottom line: Size and concerns about his ability to take a pounding will hold him back and might keep him out of the draft. If selected, LeFors will go in the final rounds.

Dan Pompei analysis
Is an undersized lefthander who had a strong senior season. Doesn't blow anyone away with physical skills, but knows how to win. Avoids interceptions, and completes a high percentage of attempts. Is accurate. Throws the ball where only his receiver can catch it. Shows excellent touch and timing. Throws a catchable ball. Runs an offense well. Is heady, tough and mobile. Shows good instincts and vision. Has only OK arm strength. Must wind up to make downfield throws. Would fit in a West Coast scheme. Could be a Jeff Garcia type of quarterback.

Id jump on that as high as the 6th round. Never seen him play, but if that analysis is even remotely close to accurate, it seems to me like he might be a guy worth looking into.

As for Plummer, Id give him till 2006 and defer to Herc's wisdom of the cap and numbers and his opinion on when we let him go. I do think however, that Jake, if he does do something great in that time will restructure his deal to keep him on at least another year, maybe two, but only if we happen to win some f*cking playoff games between now and then.

[Taco John]

2006 will be his last year as the starter, and he will be cut on June 1, 2007. The replacement will come from this weekend (McPherson) or next year's 1st round.



Yep. Every sign shows the Broncos preparing for Plummer's tenure to expire in due time. Even if Plummer lights it up this year, I think the front office knows that he could turn around the year following and throw 20 INTs again. He's the equivalent of Kordell Stewart... When he's on, man he can really be on... But the amount of plates that need to be balanced in the air and breath being held in order to get him there is way to high a price to pay to extend Plummer past this contract. He is an excellent stop-gap after the Brian Griese disaster, but he's not the franchise guy that you can build a team around, and that's what Shanahan (and really, everybody) wants.

I figure Plummer has this year and next. After that, he'll end up on the circuit. It won't be personal. It'll be business. It's simply a cap reality that Plummer has to be either extended or cut then... And since we're already quarterback hunting, it appears that he's got a June 2007 date...

[ro_50]

I saw LeFors play in college and some here are high on him. But he's undersized, but he can move around and his arm strength is questionable to me. Remember, he played in John L Smith and Bobby Petrino's wide open offense. So his numbers could be skewd to be overwhelmingly impressive than they really are.

To me, he's a second day draft pick and could be a backup, but not a starter in the league.

[watermock]

I have no clue what you people are smoking, but hand me the pipe.

The fact is, we just got done handing the bank to Jake, for whatever reason, it must of been part of the plan, and then pushed back a ton of money in a SECOND redo of his contract. Thankfully, he STILL isn't being paid like a franchise QB, nor should he be after his antics last year that has Taco calling for his balls.

If the "plan" calls for Denver to move to get a franchise QB next year, they better get it right, because we can't afford 3 Jeremy LeSewers in this draft.

Bottom line is that Jake will be the QB for the forseeable future, or they wouldn't of handed him that huge roster bonus this spring, and redo his contract in the wash of the Pryce debacle. The Pryce situation really pushed Denver's hand regarding Plummer to free up at least a lame attempt to bring in three legged Goats from Cleveland and and a TOTAL DOG from New York. (I have to give Slappy props for that term...) I nearly peed my pants I thought it was "Quite Amusing".

And that is the payoff from the plan? Signing Gold for twice his worth, trading away our #1 pick, picking up 3 legged goats from Cleveland and a stray dog from New York, giving Jake a free pass and letting Pryce shop for a Casino somewhere when he hasn't demonstrated anything but the ability to pick up a paycheck for almost a year?

Hey, I can put on the Orange Sunglasses like everyone else, but "What the Hell is Going ON around here?"

Screwing Gibbs over was amusing, but it isn't going to address big needs on this team, and after picking LeSewer and Choad, the fact I don't have incredible confidence in our War room come Saturday isn't without foundation.

When we pick up the next Toviessi, LeSewer and Marcus Nash this weekend, don't blame me.

[MileHighMania]

McPherson... Kordell II is Jake's replacement? No way.

Jake is the starter for 2005 and 2006, without question. Who knows what happens with players getting cut or draft position, but barring a collapse in performance I see Jake starting through 2007.

[MileHighMania]

When we pick up the next Toviessi, LeSewer and Marcus Nash this weekend, don't blame me.

This is what I fear most... there's going to be 1 early pick that we all like and then a number of "who's he" picks.

[bloodsunday]

Id jump on that as high as the 6th round. Never seen him play, but if that analysis is even remotely close to accurate, it seems to me like he might be a guy worth looking into.
My list of prospects in this draft would be McPherson, Frye, LeFlors in that order. I don't think any of them will last until the 6th round. If we are looking for another late round practice squad guy to add to BVP and Mauck, then either Timmy Chang or Fitzpatrick from Harvard. I would be disappointed to see another developmental QB though. If we're going to take one, let's take on that will actually make the roster.

[bloodsunday]

When we pick up the next Toviessi, LeSewer and Marcus Nash this weekend, don't blame me.
Man, who pissed in your Wheaties? Seriously, this offseason has not been great, but they have made the most of limited resources. The draft is huge and there will be talent in 2 - 3. I am more afraid of trading back to 4 or 5 then I am picking at 2 and 3.

[bloodsunday]

Jake is the starter for 2005 and 2006, without question.
I know that as an organization we just committed a ton of money to Jake, but I think this whole regime is season to season at this point. If Denver comes out and goes 5 - 11 this season, Shanny may decide to walk away. Generally when that happens the new regime wants their own QB and I don't think Jake has done enough to earn the trust of someone else.

I know that sounds drastic and if our cap and draft positioning improve next year it could be unlikely. But the point is that Shanny is a competitor and losing kills him slowly, like one needle being poked into his skin each time. He is reaching a point, or maybe passed it already, where his legacy will be tarnished by the subpar performances, sans Elway. That may not be fair (I don't think it is), but that is how history will see it.

[broncohaven]

I think Jake's starting spot is secure for at least two more years. We're going to target a franchise QB in the draft next year, give him a year to sit and watch and then let him compete for the starting job with Jake in 2007.

[Tom A Hawk]

This is what I fear most... there's going to be 1 early pick that we all like and then a number of "who's he" picks.

I wouldn't sweat that.......Denver has a fairly impressive record of 2nd day and late round choices.

[DrFate]

Why are some of you guys so high on McPherson?

This guy never did anything in college. The league history is full of player with all kinds of ability and 10-cent-brains.

[Crushaholic]

I wouldn't sweat that.......Denver has a fairly impressive record of 2nd day and late round choices.

You're right about that. Denver has historically found the diamonds in the rough on Day 2.

I still think Mauck could make some noise as a future QB. His advanced age bothers me a little bit, though. I don't remember who on the Mane said this first, but next year will be the year we start concentrating on life without Plummer. I don't expect us to draft a QB this year, but I think we'll take one next year.

[bombquixote]

The Broncos, because of their multiple 1st rounders next year, are in a position to draft Jake's eventual replacement a year from now and give him time to learn the system without being thrown to the wolves.

Jake will be here at least 2 or 3 more years under that scenario.

yep. that's why this trade w/washington is so good: we get whomever we want in the first round next year, and presumably we'll grab the best qb. two years on the bench behind jake, and then hand him the reins.

[SoCalBronco]

Lefors is a very special QB. Completed 72 percent. He just knows where to go with the ball and is very mobile. He just tore up the Miami defense, made them look really awful. Ill take him at 3c and i dont care if the league thinks we are reaching.

[Ballhawk]

yep. that's why this trade w/washington is so good: we get whomever we want in the first round next year, and presumably we'll grab the best qb. two years on the bench behind jake, and then hand him the reins.

It all depends on where the 1st round picks are. I would hope to come away with a Franchise LT.

[longtimer]

Why are some of you guys so high on McPherson?

This guy never did anything in college. The league history is full of player with all kinds of ability and 10-cent-brains.

Its called physical skills!

There are a lots of so called franchise QB that were selected in the to ten of the draft that are busts with Mcpherson you get a chance to draft one that has better physical skills but in the 3rd round. sound like a great risk to reward thing to me. College does not always translate to the pros. Isn't there a stat that say only 10 to 12 players get a new contract that was taken in the first round by their original team. So why burn a 1st on QB when you could use a 3rd to get the same physical skill level. Less of a risk with your cap.

[Ballhawk]

Still believe the best QB to take in the third round is Walters. Tall 6'6", great arm and fierce competitor. Would have been a first rounder if not for the shoulder injury. Would fit right into a three year plan to become starter.

[DarkHorse30]

8 years....and then retire. He's not the best QB Denver has ever had, but he probably ranks in the top 3. You don't break 2 of John Elway's records for passing in your second year......without Shannon Sharpe or a pass-catching RB to dump it to.....and be called a "struggler".

I can see why fans are disgusted with Plummer's ints, but look at Elway's first few years back with Shanahan in 95. 26TDs and 14 picks....not THAT different than Plummer's first two years, including QB ratings and completion percentage. Now consider that Plummer had ONE reliable target (Rod Smith) while Elway always had at least 2-3.

I'm not thinking that Plummer is as good as Elway.......but I do think he has potential to be a very good QB in this system, largely because he can avoid sacks and make plays without many targets. As Putzier, Watts and Lelie get better, Plummer does the same.

Denver's offense is hard to learn, which is why it took John Elway about 1 1/2 years to learn it. Passing judgement on Plummer like he's not capable after only 1 1/2 years in a new system (his first exposure to "a system" as opposed to a crapshoot called the Cardinal way) seems a little short-sighted. Denver picked the best veteran they could find and he's doing a good job. Let's see what can happen as he really learns the system and begins to use it as a tool, rather than as a bunch of stuff to learn. Plummer remains a playmaker, just like the guy Denver thought they were getting.

The key will be learning how to take a sack instead of forcing a pass. Even though I could probably count at least 6 picks in 04 that hit his WR or TE square in the hands before being bobbled and lost, Plummer has to learn when to NOT push the envelope. I hated Griese when he would consistently take a sack of 5-6 yards instead of trying to make a play. Now we see the other side of that coin. 2nd and 15 always beats a pick....no matter how frustrating that might be to the idea of moving the ball consistently.

The difference, though, may be in the number of targets. Plummer had 15TDs to 7 picks in his first year here....when he had Shannon Sharpe as his #2 guy. Hitting Lelie last year on the long pattern is more difficult than hitting a wideopen Shannon Sharpe. Like I said, maybe the emergence of better targets will help Plummer get back to '03 stats.

[bombquixote]

It all depends on where the 1st round picks are. I would hope to come away with a Franchise LT.

true. but with two 1st round picks we can most likely trade up as far as we want. and from what i understand next year's draft is a good one for potential franchise qbs. LTs are a little easier to come by.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

true. but with two 1st round picks we can most likely trade up as far as we want. and from what i understand next year's draft is a good one for potential franchise qbs. LTs are a little easier to come by.

Not sure who might be a franchise QB next year. Only Leinhart shows up on everyone's radar, but there is debate about him. The way it looks now he is the only QB in the first round. Whitehurst at Clemson or Clemens at Oregon could sneak in if they have great years. Leak at Florida will look great if he learns Meyer's offense and could come out early. Young at Tex has great athletic ability, but he has to make tremendous gains in his consistency if he is going to play QB in the NFL.

[Crushaholic]

Still believe the best QB to take in the third round is Walters. Tall 6'6", great arm and fierce competitor. Would have been a first rounder if not for the shoulder injury. Would fit right into a three year plan to become starter.

Breaking some of Elway's Pac-10 records isn't too shabby. Maybe that will work...an Arizona State product backing up another Arizona State product...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Walters but he a totally different style than is currently in vogue. A pure pocket passer with a rocket arm.

[Ballhawk]

I like Walters but he a totally different style than is currently in vogue. A pure pocket passer with a rocket arm.

Well that would fit in with the young Burners we have at WR. Both Lelie and Watts can get seperation and would benefit from a Drew Bledsoe type QB. We would need to land that Franchise LT next year for him as well as some solid guards.

From what I understand he has decent movement but is not the elusive type QB.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

mcpherson has a cannon too though...he threw a ball 75 yards with pinpoint accuracy in his workout, standing still...the scouts were amazed.

he has the arm and the legs...complete package...have shanahan work with him for a couple-three years working on his reads and he will be a good one.

i like him in the third, but i bet someone pisses their pants and takes him in the second

[broncoholic4life]

I think Plummer will excel this year...he has all the players around him..and a top notch defense.

[ZachKC]

I think Plummer will excel this year...he has all the players around him..and a top notch defense.
Like uhhh, last year?