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PatsWin2002
04-19-2005, 09:18 AM
CNN breaking news


White smoke, bells signal selection of new pope

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- White smoke rose from a Sistine Chapel chimney and bells rang Tuesday, signaling the selection of a new pope.

Thousands of people in St. Peter's Square clapped and waved flags as the smoke billowed over Vatican City.

Suspense built as the throng waited for the symbolic ringing of bells, at which point the crowd broke into a roar of jubilation.

The 115 cardinals' morning ballots were burned at about 11:50 a.m. (5:50 a.m. EDT).

After each pair of votes, the ballots were burned in a stove at the Sistine Chapel, with the white smoke in the evening announcing to observers outside that a pope has been elected.

Black smoke had come from the chimney after the two morning votes.

Chemicals are added to the ballots to turn the smoke white or black.

The cardinals taking part in the conclave to elect a successor to Pope John Paul II began their first full day of voting after holding Mass in their living quarters at 7:30 a.m.

Locked away in the Sistine Chapel, the cardinals let it be known that no candidate won their first vote Monday evening, hours after a historic religious ceremony watched around the world.

As black smoke billowed Monday from a chimney atop the Sistine Chapel, the crowd of thousands outside cheered. (Full story)

"It was very exciting," said Richard Wall, an American in the crowd. "We had some drama tonight."

At first, the smoke's color appeared gray, and some thought it may have been white. But it quickly turned black. Also, John Paul II had decreed that white smoke be accompanied by the ringing of bells, to avoid a repeat of the confusion after his election in 1978.

Monday evening's smoke was emitted shortly after 8 p.m., about 2 1/2 hours after the chapel's doors were closed, marking the beginning of the conclave.

The closing of those large wooden doors ended an hour-long ritual that the Vatican televised live for the first time ever.

Oath of secrecy
Clad in crimson robes, shoulder capes and hats, the 115 cardinals from 52 countries walked from the Hall of Blessings into the Sistine Chapel as "The Litany of Saints" was sung.

Once the cardinals were inside, a choir and the cardinals themselves sang the invocation of the Holy Spirit, "Veni, Creator Spiritus."

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals and considered a leading candidate for pope, recited a prayer and a message that included these words: "After having celebrated the divine mysteries, we now enter into conclave to elect the Roman pontiff, the whole church united with us in prayer."

Ratzinger led the group in an oath of secrecy, and each cardinal individually stepped up to a Book of Gospels, placed his hand on it and took another similar oath.

The cardinals also vowed to follow the rules listed by Pope John Paul II in the "Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis," which laid out specific steps for the electoral process, including seclusion "in suitable places" within the Vatican and the use of secret ballots.

At the end, the master of the Pontifical Liturgical Celebration said "extra omnes" -- meaning "everyone out" -- signaling those not participating in the conclave to leave the Sistine Chapel. He then closed the doors, and the televised broadcast came to an end.

The cardinals then had a private meditation and one of them gave a speech before the ballots were handed out.

If the Vatican's plans succeed, there will be no indication of how the deliberations proceed, or who may be surfacing as leading "papabile," or candidates, before a new pontiff is selected.

The term conclave means "with a key" -- meaning the process takes place behind lock and key.

To win, a candidate needs two-thirds of the votes. If three days pass with no pope chosen, the cardinals will take a day of reflection and prayer before resuming balloting. And, under rules established by John Paul II, if no one has the required two-thirds majority after about 12 days, the cardinals can switch to a simple majority.

Speculation rife
There has been a great deal of speculation about who may be chosen to succeed John Paul II, who died April 2 at the age of 84, but cardinals have been mum.

Some taking part in the conclave said they are looking for a leader who presents a hopeful vision, who can "generate some dynamism and some optimism within Catholicism," CNN Vatican analyst John Allen said.

The first clues to the process of finding a successor were sought during the homily or sermon delivered by Ratzinger at Monday's public Mass.

"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," Ratzinger said.

Allen said Ratzinger delivered a "very blunt" message for the church to "stay true to itself."

That was a strong indication that Ratzinger, 78, wants a "traditionalist" elected the next pope, Allen said.

John Paul was widely credited with extending the reach of the papacy. He spoke more than a dozen languages and set an unprecedented pattern of pastoral travel, drawing huge crowds all over the world.

He was also strictly traditional on issues of sexuality and the role of women in the church, which won him support among some Catholics but alienated others. Similar disagreement exists over the next pontiff's stances on issues such as birth control, stem cell research and the ordination of female priests.

The conclave will select the man who will be the 265th pontiff, although he will be the 263rd person to hold the post. One man, Benedict IX, served as pontiff three separate times nearly a millennium ago.

Nuggets4
04-19-2005, 09:29 AM
Exciting stuff to see. It'd be incredible to be there right now.

Nuggets4
04-19-2005, 09:48 AM
From CNN:

Joseph Ratzinger of Germany has been elected the 265th pontiff today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people gathered in St. Peter's Square. He has chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.

Hulamau
04-19-2005, 09:55 AM
A real hardliner and former junior Nazi :-)He wont be around too long at 78.

delany
04-19-2005, 09:55 AM
so much for the Church entering the new millennium

Mile High Shack
04-19-2005, 09:55 AM
vbookie bets are payed off now

congrats to the winners (I was one of them..woo hoo)

delany
04-19-2005, 09:58 AM
vbookie bets are payed off now

congrats to the winners (I was one of them..woo hoo)

congrats!

Can we bet on when he will die now?

Hulamau
04-19-2005, 09:58 AM
so much for the Church entering the new millennium


Yeah the new pope represents a new century alright, the 13th century!

PatsWin2002
04-19-2005, 10:09 AM
Joseph Ratzinger of Germany has been elected the 265th pontiff today by the College of Cardinals.

Cool!

I love Cliff Claven!

sirhcyennek81
04-19-2005, 10:22 AM
Benedict XVI. News says this is controversial...then again...anything conservative...news says its controversial...

SoCalBronco
04-19-2005, 10:50 AM
vbookie bets are payed off now

congrats to the winners (I was one of them..woo hoo)

i bet on tettamanzi and ratzinger so i got something. Looks like St. Malachy was right again. Damn. That means only one more pope after him.

Bronco_Beerslug
04-19-2005, 10:52 AM
vbookie bets are payed off now

congrats to the winners (I was one of them..woo hoo)
I had Joe at 7-1 too! :contract:

Rascal
04-19-2005, 10:55 AM
i bet on tettamanzi and ratzinger so i got something. Looks like St. Malachy was right again. Damn. That means only one more pope after him.

What did he say?

FADERPROOF
04-19-2005, 11:03 AM
i bet on tettamanzi and ratzinger so i got something. Looks like St. Malachy was right again. Damn. That means only one more pope after him.

Until what? And please don't say the apocolypse or I'll be force to catch a flight to SoCal just to beat your ass.

Mile High Shack
04-19-2005, 11:04 AM
What did he say?

apparently the world is going to end after the next pope...(not this one, but the one after this one)

of course how I read it, it seemed that any of the ones that had a chance to win, the "prophecy" could be turned any which way around to fit it.

good thing I don't believe in that :)

Mile High Shack
04-19-2005, 11:05 AM
Until what? And please don't say the apocolypse or I'll be force to catch a flight to SoCal just to beat your ass.
I don’t think Catholics believe in that, do they? I thought only the evangelicals did

Mr. Trout
04-19-2005, 11:14 AM
When does the vcash get updated? Anybody know?

Mile High Shack
04-19-2005, 11:16 AM
When does the vcash get updated? Anybody know?

it already did

ND Bronco Fan
04-19-2005, 11:33 AM
Black smoke, White smoke........too much like the movie for "The Rock" for me. Throw tradition aside its time for one of these...........

Bronco Yoda
04-19-2005, 11:49 AM
i bet on tettamanzi and ratzinger so i got something. Looks like St. Malachy was right again. Damn. That means only one more pope after him.

the dark Pope in 2012....

Mile High Shack
04-19-2005, 12:03 PM
the dark Pope in 2012....
You mean like the dark side of the force?

FADERPROOF
04-19-2005, 12:33 PM
I don’t think Catholics believe in that, do they? I thought only the evangelicals did

I hope people don't, only gullible idiots that buy into everything would believe that.

sutoazul
04-19-2005, 12:58 PM
how is this new pope related to the ´´pope of the olives´´ or something like that.... please someone explain!!

ak1971
04-19-2005, 01:36 PM
how is this new pope related to the ´´pope of the olives´´ or something like that.... please someone explain!!

Its all a bunch of ...If the pope would have been the one from Brazil or Nigeria they would have said it was his skin tone. Since he took the name Benidict, they say that this is the prophecy. People can always read into anything and make it true...Just like after 9/11 people were running around saying Nastradamus predicted it.....

SouthStndJunkie
04-19-2005, 03:36 PM
I had Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany rated as a Day 2 prospect...4th round at best.

His age (78) and slow 40 time really hurt him. He did okay in the cone and shuttle drills, but his 7 inch vertical leap will be a liability. He was not able to do any reps @225 on the bench, but did order one of his henchman to try and he did 12 reps.

He has very few off-field issues and that is a plus.

I envisioned him as SS on the papal level, but the Vatican sees him as a corner.

SSJ

TheManeMan
04-19-2005, 03:54 PM
Hilarious! Thats classic dude...