Denver wants out of Round One

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Others have probably seen this; I am interested in the OM board's take on this.
I for one. am hopeful that it is true.


Rumor (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

DENVER STILL WANTS OUT OF ROUND ONE



We continue to hear that the Denver Broncos are trying hard to get out of round one in 2005, and we've now learned that they're hoping to finagle an extra first round pick for next year in exchange.



A league source has confirmed that the Broncos are indeed making calls in an effort to slide down from the 25th overall pick, and per the source the team is asking for a 2006 first-rounder in exchange.



As we see it, if it's gonna happen, it'll happen on draft day, when a team who drafts next in the top half of round two sees a chance to spring back into round one and nail a guy whom they really want, like the Bills did in 2004, when they sent their second round pick to the Cowboys in order to get back into round one, snagging quarterback J.P. Losman.



So don't be surprised if next Saturday a trade is announced after the 24th name is announced in the first round, allowing the Broncos to drop down -- and to pocket a high-end pick in 2006.

[Atlas]

I think Denver needs picks this year not next year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I think Denver needs picks this year not next year.

Hell no! Get that extra 1st for next year if they can somehow swing it and go high next year when guys like Leinhart, Rod Wright, Ngata, Kiwanuka, etc. will all be in it.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Hell no! Get that extra 1st for next year if they can somehow swing it and go high next year when guys like Leinhart, Rod Wright, Ngata, Kiwanuka, etc. will all be in it.

I like this idea. Can we possibly pick up a #2 this year & a #1 next?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I like this idea. Can we possibly pick up a #2 this year & a #1 next?

That's what the trades have been lately.

Baltimore's 2003 2nd and 2004 1st for the Pats 2003 1st

Buff's 2004 2nd (and I think a 5th too) and 2005 1st for the Cowboys 2004 1st

[broncohaven]

I like that idea if we can still get an early second rounder to pick Matt Jones. Next year we're probably going to target a franchise QB, and if we have two firsts we'll be able to get into the top 10 picks.

[Play2win]

I like that idea if we can still get an early second rounder to pick Matt Jones. Next year we're probably going to target a franchise QB, and if we have two firsts we'll be able to get into the top 10 picks.
Maybe that's "The Plan"

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

This would not shock me, but it won't happen till time for the pick. For it to happen, I think someone would have to be in a free fall or some team is madly in love with Frye or Jones.

If Broncs could get an extra second or early third this year and a first next year, it would be a no brainer. Next years draft appears to be loaded except at QB.

With two seconds and two thirds this year Broncs should be able to get some nice quality players.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Next year we're probably going to target a franchise QB, and if we have two firsts we'll be able to get into the top 10 picks.


That's been my thinking since the end of last season. Next year is the year Shanahan will target Jake's eventual replacement. Short of everyone getting hurt, they aren't going to be in position to take a franchise QB. They've got to acquire future picks somehow that will give them the flexibility to move around in the '06 draft if that's the case.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This would not shock me, but it won't happen till time for the pick. For it to happen, I think someone would have to be in a free fall or some team is madly in love with Frye or Jones.


Heath Miller too

[SoCalBronco]

id still like to get some compensation in this year's draft so we can do something before 56.

[NFLBRONCO]

I'd like a extra 1 in a better draft do it Denver.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

At this point it looks like Lienhart is the only sure first round QB next year. A couple others like Whitehurst at Clemson could make the first round, but I don't see the next Elway, Manning or Brady in next years draft right now.

[pabst81]

Imagine if we could get a suck ass team to trade their 06' first round pick like a Miami or Chicago - That would give us a slight chance at Leinart in 06' being that he will more then likely be the first pick and either of those teams could indeed have the 1st pick in 06'. Why not? What's there to lose - we could even sweeten' the deal and throw in a 05' 4th. Fat chance eh, it's worth a message board disscussion though-

[pabst81]

If USC wins another championship which is very likely he would be the most accomplished QB to ever play college football- especially if he wins another Heisman- great QB's win championships IMO

[SoCalBronco]

I would not pick Leinart, no way. Very overrated. Ideally if we can get like maybe an early third this year and a first next year for our pick that would be great but i cant see who could be dumb enough to trade a first in next year's draft for a first in this year's piece of **** draft.

[NFLBRONCO]

I'd take a 4th and #1 in 06 for 25. The key is getting a #1 in a better draft. Of course until it happens its mute.

[Play2win]

I would not pick Leinart, no way. Very overrated. Ideally if we can get like maybe an early third this year and a first next year for our pick that would be great but i cant see who could be dumb enough to trade a first in next year's draft for a first in this year's piece of **** draft.

The only reason he's overrated is because he doesn't play for the U of M. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

No, he has been overrated since high school. I wasnt impressed with him then and i am not impressed with him now. Rodgers was light years better than him this year. I remember several games where Leinart did not look good at all. He looked like dog**** against Notre Dame for a long period of the game. He is an okay QB but nothing special. He has always had great talent around him, first at Mater Dei and now at USC. I have never been a fan of his, it has nothing to do with USC or Miami. USC has alot of players i would like to have for the Broncos, he is not one of them. In fact next year i hope our first rounder is on Darnell Bing so he can be our ballhawk FS if we dont get one this year.

[SoCalBronco]

By contrast, there are several Miami players i wouldnt want playing for the Broncos as well.

[Play2win]

No, he has been overrated since high school. I wasnt impressed with him then and i am not impressed with him now. Rodgers was light years better than him this year. I remember several games where Leinart did not look good at all. He looked like dog**** against Notre Dame for a long period of the game. He is an okay QB but nothing special. He has always had great talent around him, first at Mater Dei and now at USC. I have never been a fan of his, it has nothing to do with USC or Miami. USC has alot of players i would like to have for the Broncos, he is not one of them. In fact next year i hope our first rounder is on Darnell Bing so he can be our ballhawk FS if we dont get one this year.
I know, I'm just yanking your chain alittle bit. I tend to agree. Not for our system. Actually, even though I have not seen a ton of his game time action, Alex Smith I think could be the real deal. He definitely is a diamond in the rough and needs development, but his acuracy is uncanny. I would be very interested in see his development and progress during his NFL career.

[Play2win]

By contrast, there are several Miami players i wouldnt want playing for the Broncos as well.
Yeah, name one. I bet you can't do it!! ;D

[DBroncos4life]

I would take both second rounders from the Packers. I think there is some good talent in the second round this year.

[pabst81]

I'd like to see a scouting report on Leinart- he seems like he has a big arm but yea you have to consider that his teams have always been stacked. Who are the other highly rated QB's coming out in 06'?

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah, name one. I bet you can't do it!! ;D

Well from this year's draft:
QB Brock Berlin
C Joel Rodriguez

From next year's draft:
LB Leon Williams

There are several more, just give me time to think. ugh!~

[Ballhawk]

I would take a 1st next year and an early third this year. Could go after a franchise LT next year also. Socal help me out isn't there a couple real good LTs coming out next year?

[SoCalBronco]

I would take a 1st next year and an early third this year. Could go after a franchise LT next year also. Socal help me out isn't there a couple real good LTs coming out next year?

Yep. Eric Winston, Jon Scott, D'Brickashaw Ferguson maybe a few more.

[SoCalBronco]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2166&dateline=1113024927

Late First-Early Second.

Could go higher if there is a run on blondes, though. Her ass has really good upside.

[DBroncos4life]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2166&dateline=1113024927

Late First-Early Second.

Could go higher if there is a run on blondes, though. Her ass has really good upside.



man you are a perv ;)

[SoCalBronco]

man you are a perv ;)

;D

[SouthStndJunkie]

I'd take a 4th and #1 in 06 for 25. The key is getting a #1 in a better draft. Of course until it happens its mute.

I would want more than a 4th. Dallas got a 2nd in last years draft and a 1st in this years draft for their #22 pick last year.

I would want at least a low 2nd rounder or a high 3rd rounder this year and a first rounder in 2006 to part with the 25th selection this year.

SSJ

[Rohirrim]

I'll be interested to see how well Leinart does this season without Chow. I'm still in the "stay at 25 camp and go for Khalif", though. Lepsis could be a FA next year. IMO, this is prime time to bring in a LT and give him a year to get acclimated. Of course, if Khalif is gone by 25, there's really no point in staying there, especially if the Broncos could end up with two numbers twos (and an extra 1 next year) and take Adam Terry with one of them.

[TheDave]

He has always had great talent around him, first at Mater Dei and now at USC.

I had no idea he went to Mater Dei... Guess i need to stop throwing out all my alumni stuff...

[Ballhawk]

Yep. Eric Winston, Jon Scott, D'Brickashaw Ferguson maybe a few more.


Thanks :)

I am all for taking Walters this year I think. Our personel is really not suited for the WCO anymore, but for more of a vertical game with Tator being a home run threat.

1. Take Walter as future QB
2. Get a top notch Guard.
3. Next year go after the Franchise LT.
4. Get another top end Guard.

I Have just fixed the Offense for the future with a 1st, 2 2nds, and a 3rd round pick...brillant!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I would take both second rounders from the Packers. I think there is some good talent in the second round this year.

Are you actually serious?

[DBroncos4life]

Are you actually serious?



Yes I am. I think Hawthorne will be there. Castillo will be solid. Canty would be a first round pick had it not been for injuries. The top guards will be there as well as some pretty solid tackles. Just because you don't like this draft doesn't mean there isn't guys that will make an impact in the NFL.

[broncohaven]

I don't think we'll have any idea who the real QB prospects are until well into next year. I am not a fan of Leinart at all. I think he's the product of a system that is head and shoulders above the rest of the college teams right now.

[SoCalBronco]

Actually Herc, those two 2nds would be great. Next year's draft is much better, but i would gladly take 2 2nds in this draft for our current first. We would have 3 Two's and 2 Three's. We could do alot of damage. Alot. And i could see the Packers offering that to us. At no. 24 they fill an immediate need area, probably on defense and then to make sure they get Charlie Frye who they like alot, as a successor to Favre, they ask for no. 25 for their two 2's. And i would do that instantly. With our three second round picks, we could nab Evan Mathis, the guard from Alabama, Josh Bullocks to be our FS, and Wesley Britt to be our future RT after Lepsis moves on and Foster goes to the left side. I do agree with you that the DL talent around the mid to late parts of Round 2 has really thinned out but that's okay. Then at 3a we can take Vincent Jackson and 3b we can nab Antonio Perkins to be our return guy and some depth in the secondary.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Great, they'll make an impact, though none of them project as franchise players to build a team around. OTOH, Denver could get a future 1st in a deeper draft, with the possibility that the pick turns into a Top 10 pick or evern the 1st overall. Denver is never going to be in a position to draft that high unless the team completely falls apart, and in the one season under Shanahan that happened, they'll still only ended up in the 10th overall spot.

So one of Canty, Hawthorne, a guard or T and a future 1st, or 2 of that group?

[SoCalBronco]

Or instead, as DB has pointed out, if Hawthorne slips we can nab him with one of the packers picks, and we could get Canty also. 3 2s and 2 3s would be great.

[bloodsunday]

I would take both second rounders from the Packers. I think there is some good talent in the second round this year.
I like this idea, it comes pretty close to adding up in terms of value of the picks. Green Bay may be willing to move up and get more defensive help or a replacement for Favre. The only downside is that our first pick wouldn't be until #51.

[jebures]

Actually Herc, those two 2nds would be great. Next year's draft is much better, but i would gladly take 2 2nds in this draft for our current first. We would have 3 Two's and 2 Three's. We could do alot of damage. Alot. And i could see the Packers offering that to us. At no. 24 they fill an immediate need area, probably on defense and then to make sure they get Charlie Frye who they like alot, as a successor to Favre, they ask for no. 25 for their two 2's. And i would do that instantly. With our three second round picks, we could nab Evan Mathis, the guard from Alabama, Josh Bullocks to be our FS, and Wesley Britt to be our future RT after Lepsis moves on and Foster goes to the left side. I do agree with you that the DL talent around the mid to late parts of Round 2 has really thinned out but that's okay. Then at 3a we can take Vincent Jackson and 3b we can nab Antonio Perkins to be our return guy and some depth in the secondary.

I love your idea, Perkins would be perfect for our returner and would be an above average nickel or dime back

[DBroncos4life]

Great, they'll make an impact, though none of them project as franchise players to build a team around. OTOH, Denver could get a future 1st in a deeper draft, with the possibility that the pick turns into a Top 10 pick or evern the 1st overall. Denver is never going to be in a position to draft that high unless the team completely falls apart, and in the one season under Shanahan that happened, they'll still only ended up in the 10th overall spot.

So one of Canty, Hawthorne, a guard or T and a future 1st, or 2 of that group?



Just because the 10 sucks doesn't mean that the rest of the draft is bad. If we where picking in the top 10 then I wouldn't like it BUT WE DON'T so I have no problem with it. There are others that would go in the first as well. Henry has top ten talent but will fall to the second or third round. Perkins would be a first round pick if it wasn't so deep in CB this year as would McFadden. Roth has good value and may fall to the second and Patterson would be a top pick if he was taller. Im not going to change your mind but you will not change mine about this draft either.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Actually Herc, those two 2nds would be great. Next year's draft is much better, but i would gladly take 2 2nds in this draft for our current first. We would have 3 Two's and 2 Three's.

It still comes down to 5 Day 1 picks this year vs. 4 and the future 1st.

You're also looking at contract length. As it was pointed out by a poster at KFFL, Denver has not kept one of their 2nd round picks yet under Shanny. These guys get 4 year deals, compared to the 5 years and longer a 1st round picks is going to get instead.

[pabst81]

two late seconds for our first is not enough- Shany wouldn't do it- the Pack would have to throw in their 5th.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Just because the 10 sucks doesn't mean that the rest of the draft is bad. If we where picking in the top 10 then I wouldn't like it BUT WE DON'T so I have no problem with it. There are others that would go in the first as well. Henry has top ten talent but will fall to the second or third round. Perkins would be a first round pick if it wasn't so deep in CB this year as would McFadden. Roth has good value and may fall to the second and Patterson would be a top pick if he was taller. Im not going to change your mind but you will not change mine about this draft either.

That's only a legit argument if this was the only year that players slip, it happens every year. It will happen next year too.

[DBroncos4life]

Oh as far as projection goes I figured you of all people would know that means jack when it comes to the draft, otherwise Leaf would still be playing in the NFL. Busts and steals man thats what the draft is.

[DBroncos4life]

That's only a legit argument if this was the only year that players slip, it happens every year. It will happen next year too.



Whatever dude Im not going to go on and on about this.

[DBroncos4life]

I like this idea, it comes pretty close to adding up in terms of value of the picks. Green Bay may be willing to move up and get more defensive help or a replacement for Favre. The only downside is that our first pick wouldn't be until #51.



I was thinking more about Frye then anyone else.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I like this idea, it comes pretty close to adding up in terms of value of the picks.

Value charts don't do much. Nice to look at for fans, but don't really do much on draft day for a lot of trades.

The 2 bigger moves to get back into the 1st:

'03
Baltimore gave up their 2nd (#40 I believe) and a future 1st for #19.
Total value chart comparison (future picks are always valued as the last in the round):
1090 vs. 875

'04
Buff and Dallas
#42, 5th round pick (12th in the round), and a future 1st for #22:
1140 v. 780

[SoCalBronco]

Herc i think this may be the year that the equivalency charts might be an accurate indicator of what goes on. I do not think the teams that want to move down are going to get the kind of substantial premium in value as years before. Relative to who's trying to move down, there isnt a big market to move up this year, especially in Round 1. So that type of leverage like you had last year where Tommie Harris slipped down to Chicago at 14 and people were salivating over him allowed Chicago to tell us give us your 1 and 2b or no dice, without us laughing in their faces. So i dont think anyone is going to get raped moving up this year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Odd year drafts seem to suck, or at least be weaker, and the Pats still pulled value from the Ravens when they wanted back into the 1st in '03.

It's not a matter of what the draft looks like in terms of quality, it's a matter of who is there when Denver picks and who wants what. Heath Miller isn't the right example for what we're talking about in return for Denver, but the #1 TE on the board one pick before the Jets are on the clock is decent leverage, along with whoever the Pack decide to pass on.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Value charts don't do much. Nice to look at for fans, but don't really do much on draft day for a lot of trades.

The 2 bigger moves to get back into the 1st:

'03
Baltimore gave up their 2nd (#40 I believe) and a future 1st for #19.
Total value chart comparison (future picks are always valued as the last in the round):
1090 vs. 875

'04
Buff and Dallas
#42, 5th round pick (12th in the round), and a future 1st for #22:
1140 v. 780


Why the difference in value? Because the value chart does not factor in the 'want' factor. The team wanting to move up wants a particular player badly, making it more valuable to them and allowing the team giving up the pick to get much greater value.

SSJ

[SouthStndJunkie]

Even in a weaker draft, there will always be a team who covets a player and is willing to overpay to move up to get him. I am hoping Denver is just in the right place (25) at the right time, to take advantage of it.

SSJ

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That's right, "want" is something that those charts can never take into account, which is why the charts aren't really that indicative of a pick's value. There's always going to be a want factor in any draft day trade.

[DB-Freak]

It doesnt matter as long as you get Adrian Mcpherson.

[delany]

Odd year drafts seem to suck, or at least be weaker, and the Pats still pulled value from the Ravens when they wanted back into the 1st in '03.

It's not a matter of what the draft looks like in terms of quality, it's a matter of who is there when Denver picks and who wants what. Heath Miller isn't the right example for what we're talking about in return for Denver, but the #1 TE on the board one pick before the Jets are on the clock is decent leverage, along with whoever the Pack decide to pass on.

Incidently, leverage that would not have been there if Putz was not re-inked by the Broncos.

[Rohirrim]

Actually Herc, those two 2nds would be great. Next year's draft is much better, but i would gladly take 2 2nds in this draft for our current first. We would have 3 Two's and 2 Three's. We could do alot of damage. Alot. And i could see the Packers offering that to us. At no. 24 they fill an immediate need area, probably on defense and then to make sure they get Charlie Frye who they like alot, as a successor to Favre, they ask for no. 25 for their two 2's. And i would do that instantly. With our three second round picks, we could nab Evan Mathis, the guard from Alabama, Josh Bullocks to be our FS, and Wesley Britt to be our future RT after Lepsis moves on and Foster goes to the left side. I do agree with you that the DL talent around the mid to late parts of Round 2 has really thinned out but that's okay. Then at 3a we can take Vincent Jackson and 3b we can nab Antonio Perkins to be our return guy and some depth in the secondary.

Now that would be interesting! That could give the Broncos a draft like:
51. Adam Terry, LT, Syr (or Mike Patterson?) (I don't think Foster will ever move to the LT spot, IMHO).
56. Logan Mankins, G, FresSt. (or Josh Bullocks?) I think Mankins is a real Broncos-type guard - mean and nasty.
58. Vince Jackson, WR (PR), UNC
97. Craig Bragg, WR (KR), UCLA
101. Sean Considine, S, Iowa

I could live with this draft. No problemo. Add in the fact that you're not paying out the big money to a #25 pick and it's all good.

[bloodsunday]

Great, they'll make an impact, though none of them project as franchise players to build a team around.
Well this is a bad evaluation of this potential deal. The Broncos are not in a position to get franchise players at #25 anyway. There are some potential game breakers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and there is unlikely to be a consensus pick at #25, so what do we lose? We can take some players without "reaching" and add another pick to increase our depth.

[DBroncos4life]

I would think Denver could get Mankins, Hawthorne, Bullocks, Jackson and Perkins. We get our RG, FS, KR/PR, DT, and our red zone threat. Maybe we could get Payne and Incognito in the 6th and 7th as well.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Well this is a bad evaluation of this potential deal. The Broncos are not in a position to get franchise players at #25 anyway. There are some potential game breakers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and there is unlikely to be a consensus pick at #25, so what do we lose? We can take some players without "reaching" and add another pick to increase our depth.

Ahh. . . the comparison wasn't to Denver's #25 pick this year compared to 2nds in this draft. The comparison of the those 2 2nds vs. a 2nd a future 1st, was to that future 1st. As was evidence by Miami falling apart this past season, you never know where that future 1st could end up. Even if the future #1 ends up being a mid- to low 1st, coupled with Denver's 1st, can put you into position to acquire a franchise LT or DL.

[DBroncos4life]

Ahh. . . the comparison wasn't to Denver's #25 pick this year compared to 2nds in this draft. The comparison of the those 2 2nds vs. a 2nd a future 1st, was to that future 1st. As was evidence by Miami falling apart this past season, you never know where that future 1st could end up. Even if the future #1 ends up being a mid- to low 1st, coupled with Denver's 1st, can put you into position to acquire a franchise LT or DL.



Or maybe we get lucky and get our franchise DL in the second round.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Actually Herc, those two 2nds would be great. Next year's draft is much better, but i would gladly take 2 2nds in this draft for our current first. We would have 3 Two's and 2 Three's. We could do alot of damage. Alot. And i could see the Packers offering that to us. At no. 24 they fill an immediate need area, probably on defense and then to make sure they get Charlie Frye who they like alot, as a successor to Favre, they ask for no. 25 for their two 2's. And i would do that instantly. With our three second round picks, we could nab Evan Mathis, the guard from Alabama, Josh Bullocks to be our FS, and Wesley Britt to be our future RT after Lepsis moves on and Foster goes to the left side. I do agree with you that the DL talent around the mid to late parts of Round 2 has really thinned out but that's okay. Then at 3a we can take Vincent Jackson and 3b we can nab Antonio Perkins to be our return guy and some depth in the secondary.

I like it it; however, substitute Makins or Baas for Britt

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Now that would be interesting! That could give the Broncos a draft like:
51. Adam Terry, LT, Syr (or Mike Patterson?) (I don't think Foster will ever move to the LT spot, IMHO).
56. Logan Mankins, G, FresSt. (or Josh Bullocks?) I think Mankins is a real Broncos-type guard - mean and nasty.
58. Vince Jackson, WR (PR), UNC
97. Craig Bragg, WR (KR), UCLA
101. Sean Considine, S, Iowa

I could live with this draft. No problemo. Add in the fact that you're not paying out the big money to a #25 pick and it's all good.

This is a draft that I could get excited about! I guess it is a given that Jones would not last until the late 2nd round...............

[Finger Roll]

I'd rather trade up then down. I saw my Phoenix suns get burned when they traded away their 7th pick Leol Deng for the Bulls 2005 first round pick. We all know how that turned out. I just don't have the patients to trade away this years first round pick and wait another 365 days just to get a first round pick. I'm a win now kind of guy not win later. Their are some players that I really want in this draft guys like Mark Clayton, Poole, Ware, Johnson, Miller, Baas, Elton Brown, Barnes, Thomas Davis and plenty more if we decide to trade up.

[Clockwork Orange]

If there's a deal to be had for a 1st next year & a 2nd this year, sign me up. Hell, I'd settle for a 3rd this year just to get an extra 1st rounder next year.

With that deal we'd still have 5 1st day picks to work with this year as well as a pair of 1st rounders next year in a deeper draft.

[DBroncos4life]

I like the idea of trading for a 1st next year but you also have to figure that its going to be the 31st pick in the first round. Thats the only safe way of doing it. So worse thing Denver could end up with next year is the 31 and 30th pick in the first round. Trading with the Pack this year would give us 51,56, and 58. If we played our cards right we could walk away with three solid guys that gives still gives us a bright future.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

From the top 150 prospects from Great Blue North:
Prospects 32 thru 120 (in order)

Roddy White WR 6-1, 205 Ala-Birmingham
Luis Castillo DT 6-3, 305 Northwestern
*Thomas Davis FS 6-1, 220 Georgia
David Baas C-OG 6-4, 320 Michigan
Jason Campbell QB 6-5, 228 Auburn
Corey Webster CB 6-0, 200 LSU
*Ciatrick Fason RB 6-1, 207 Florida
Mike Patterson DT 6-0, 290 USC
Elton Brown OG 6-6, 330 Virginia (X)
Matt Jones WR 6-6, 242 Arkansas (QB)
*Odell Thurman LB 6-0, 233 Georgia
*Brodney Pool FS 6-1, 207 Oklahoma
Atiyyah Ellison DT 6-4, 305 Missouri
Marcus Johnson OG 6-6, 315 Mississippi (OT)

Alex Smith TE 6-4, 255 Stanford
Charlie Frye QB 6-4, 225 Akron
Kevin Burnett LB 6-3, 240 Tennessee (X)
Anttaj Hawthorne DT 6-3, 320 Wisconsin
*Ernest Shazor SS 6-4, 228 Michigan (LB)

Justin Tuck DE 6-5, 268 Notre Dame

Barrett Ruud LB 6-1, 240 Nebraska
*Chris Spencer C 6-3, 310 Mississippi
Chris Canty DE 6-7, 285 Virginia
Andrew Walter QB 6-5, 235 Arizona State
Eric Green CB 5-11, 200 Virginia Tech
Jonathan Babineaux DT 6-2, 280 Iowa
*Jovan Haye DE 6-3, 280 Vanderbilt

Kay-Jay Harris RB 6-1, 235 West Virginia
Bryant McFadden CB 6-0, 195 Florida State
*C.J. Mosley DT 6-3, 305 Missouri
Brandon Browner CB 6-3, 229 Oregon State
Evan Mathis OG 6-5, 310 Alabama
*Daryl Blackstock LB 6-3, 247 Virginia
*Josh Bullocks FS 6-0, 210 Nebraska
Sione Pouha DT 6-3, 325 Utah
Chris Kemoeatu OG 6-3, 335 Utah (O)
*Eric Shelton RB 6-1, 248 Louisville
Adam Terry OT 6-8, 325 Syracuse
*Chris Henry WR 6-4, 200 West Virginia
Donte Nicholson SS 6-1, 210 Oklahoma
*Vernand Morency RB 5-11, 215 Oklahoma State
Stanley Wilson CB 6-0, 185 Stanford

Logan Mankins OG 6-4, 307 Fresno State
Chris Colmer OT 6-5, 310 North Carolina State (X)
J.J. Arrington RB 5-9, 215 California (X)
Mike Nugent PK 5-10, 170 Ohio State
Brandon Jacobs RB 6-3, 265 S. Illinois
Alfred Fincher LB 6-1, 240 UConn
Adam Snyder OT 6-5, 315 Oregon
Courtney Roby WR 6-0, 190 Indiana
*Marion Barber RB 5-11, 220 Minnesota
*Rian Wallace LB 6-2, 240 Temple
Ronald Bartell CB 6-1, 210 Howard
Darrent Williams CB 5-9, 180 Oklahoma St
Robert McCune LB 5-11, 245 Louisville
*Ryan Moats RB 5-8, 210 Louisiana Tech
Terrance Murphy WR 6-1, 202 Texas A&M
Claude Terrell OG 6-2, 345 New Mexico
Lorenzo Alexander DT 6-12, 300 California
Kirk Morrison LB 6-1, 235 San Diego St
Vincent Jackson WR 6-5, 241 N Colorado
Jeremy Parquet OT 6-7, 320 S. Mississippi
Scott Starks CB 5-9, 175 Wisconsin
Eric Moore DE 6-4, 268 Florida State
Mark Bradley WR 6-1, 201 Oklahoma
Michael Boley LB 6-3, 240 S. Mississippi
Craphonso Thorpe WR 6-1, 190 Florida St
Wesley Britt OT 6-8, 315 Alabama
Fred Gibson WR 6-4, 195 Georgia
Nick Collins CB 5-11, 206 B-Cookman
Leroy Hill LB 6-1, 230 Clemson
Andre Maddox SS 6-1, 200 North Carolina St
Jordan Beck LB 6-3, 238 Cal-Poly

J.R. Russell WR 6-3, 205 Louisville
Cedric Houston RB 5-10, 226 Tennessee
Booomer Grigsby LB 6-0, 245 Illinois State
George Gause DE 6-4, 268 South Carolina

Darren Sproles RB 5-5, 185 Kansas State
*Frank Gore RB 5-10, 217 Miami (X)
Anthony Bryant DT 6-3, 335 Alabama
*Roscoe Parrish WR 5-10, 170 Miami

Dan Buenning OG 6-4, 315 Wisconsin
Bill Swancutt DE 6-4, 266 Oregon State
Domonique Foxworth CB 5-11, 180 Maryland
Lance Mitchell LB 6-2, 245 Oklahoma
Michael Munoz OT 6-6, 315 Tennessee
Craig Bragg WR 6-1, 200 UCLA
Justin Geisinger OG 6-4, 325 Vanderbilt

James Kinney LB 6-1, 240 Missouri

[BombsOverBaghdad]

After reviewing the second and third round names; frankly, (at least in my opinion), it is a no brainer ................. give me a trading partner.

[bloodsunday]

Ahh. . . the comparison wasn't to Denver's #25 pick this year compared to 2nds in this draft. The comparison of the those 2 2nds vs. a 2nd a future 1st, was to that future 1st.
My bad. I'd be okay with either deal. I am more inclined to look to this year's draft simply because I know more about this year's draft and am focused on making this season's roster better. There are going to be some good players available in the 2nd round (Jones?, Jackson, Baas, Patterson, Bullocks, Campbell, Frye) so why not have 3 second rounders and clean house. Second rounders are also much cheaper than 1st rounders.

[bendog]

If the source was shanny, he lies. (-: BTW, how's this work? In the nba they have protected picks in case a team really tanks and doesn't want to lose a lottery pick. But in the nfl, a team like Mia or Oak is quite capable of losing 15 games one season and winning 8 the next. I'd suck to give up the 25, and end up only moving up 8 or 9 slots the next year.

[bloodsunday]

If the source was shanny, he lies. (-: BTW, how's this work? In the nba they have protected picks in case a team really tanks and doesn't want to lose a lottery pick. But in the nfl, a team like Mia or Oak is quite capable of losing 15 games one season and winning 8 the next. I'd suck to give up the 25, and end up only moving up 8 or 9 slots the next year.
I've never heard of an NFL team trading for a protected pick, at least not a first rounder. There are conditional late round picks all the time, but even those are generally locked in terms of year. What is conditional is what round the pick is -- usually 4 - 7. If the Broncos make a deal for a 2006 first rounder, they are gettig that teams pick whether its 1 or 32.

[bendog]

That's what I understand, and why I thought the "rumor" to be purely bs.

[bloodsunday]

That's what I understand, and why I thought the "rumor" to be purely bs.
Well that depends on which rumor. Denver most likely wants to get out of round 1, I think that's probably a safe bet. The idea of who we'll trade with is just speculation and will likely depend on how the draft unfolds.

[Mile High Shack]

Well that depends on which rumor. Denver most likely wants to get out of round 1, I think that's probably a safe bet. The idea of who we'll trade with is just speculation and will likely depend on how the draft unfolds.
I personally don’t think we will trade out of round 1

At 25, it’s going to be hard for someone to want someone in this draft so bad they’d give up too much for it………

[bendog]

I just don't see shanny giving up a no 1 and not getting something this year. He might take a 02 this and an 02 next.

But, I don't see or know of any reason a team, hypothetically, couldn't trade their no 1 in 05, for the other teams no 1 in 06 AND condition the trade that if the 06 no 1 wasn't in the top 15 or so, they'd also get another pick. But when I look at that hypotheically, I just don't think many teams would be stupid enough to take that trade for the 25 pick.

[Mile High Shack]

I just don't see shanny giving up a no 1 and not getting something this year. He might take a 02 this and an 02 next.

But, I don't see or know of any reason a team, hypothetically, couldn't trade their no 1 in 05, for the other teams no 1 in 06 AND condition the trade that if the 06 no 1 wasn't in the top 15 or so, they'd also get another pick. But when I look at that hypotheically, I just don't think many teams would be stupid enough to take that trade for the 25 pick.
That is what I’m thinking……..#25 isn’t exactly sky high and is basically a 2nd round pick almost….

Unless someone drops that a team loves…………I can’t imagine anyone stupid enough to trade for our 1st round pick….

I’m not saying I’d wouldn't love it, but logically I just don’t see it.

[ØrangeÇrush]

When your trying to trade a future pick for a current one, you usually have to give up a pick a round higher than where you want back in. Example: You've burned your 3rd and want in again, it'll cost you next years 2nd. Thats the usual going rate. If you want back into the first round you've got to give up your 2nd and next years first..historically this bears out. Draft value chart is irrelavant when trading back into a round because your speculating what their next year position will be.

[bendog]

right. But to think the 25 is worth giving up a 15 or higher next year ... I don't see the logic. Not unless there's soem team that just has to have the guy available at 25. This year's draft goes down in talent bigtime after .... say 15, so .... it just doesn't make sense to me.

I think Shanny would love to trade the 25 for more picks though. Two 2's is dreaming. A high 2nd and a 3rd next year would maybe be acceptable.

[IbleedORANGEandBLUE]

i think that it is a long shot for someone to fall in love with a player to the point of giving up a few draft picks for him...plus, what makes it even more unlikely is that we would have to be picky about our trade partner...

if the patriots come knocking...i'd tell them to get the f*** out.

on the other hand, i think that the packers would be a good deal...their team is kind of falling apart, and they have a couple 2nd rounders to work with, they could give us one of them, and the #1 next year, in order to have two number one picks this year...that is just about the only deal i see happening

becuase all of the other teams behind us have no real pressing needs, and they have a "take the best player available" attitude. they have no interest in trading up.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Philly is sitting there with 2 - #2's and has a few needs (particularly at WR of we are to believe all that we have read).

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Williamson article (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2823814,00.html)

Broncos looking at trading down

By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer


As the Broncos prepare for this weekend's draft, they are exploring the possibility of trading down from their current spot of No. 25 in the first round.

According to several NFL sources, the Broncos have talked to multiple teams to see if they would be interested in trading up in the draft. Because a deal could be struck anytime, most trades involving draft picks are made during the draft.

Denver general manager Ted Sundquist wouldn't discuss any trade possibilities, but said the team is prepared to use its first-round pick.

"You would be wrong if you said we weren't willing to use our first-round pick," Sundquist said.

There is potential upside to trading down. Compensation could include a future No. 1 pick or a cluster of mid-round picks this weekend. Also, Denver would save signing bonus money. If the Broncos don't feel they have an immediate need, they could trade down in hopes of landing specific players they have rated highly, and expect to be available after the 25th pick is made.

Teams usually are willing to trade up in the latter part of the first round for a skill position player such as a quarterback. If Green Bay doesn't take Akron quarterback Charlie Frye at No. 24, teams might have increased interest in the Broncos' selection.

Denver has been known as a team that likes to stockpile picks. Last week, team owner Pat Bowlen said he knew nothing about the team possibly trading down but he noted the team does well with mid-round picks so the possibility of securing more picks is always worth entertaining.

[broncohaven]

And in other earth shaking news, Bill Williamson is reporting that the sky is blue, and the grass is green; unless it's brown.

[delany]

Williamson has connections at Minnesota, Seattle...and Green Bay (most obvious trade partner)...I wonder if one of his sources was one of those teams?

Or maybe he just read it like the rest of us on the net...