Arena Football League player dead from spinal injuy

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005-04-10-arena-lucas-death_x.htm

Former NFL player Lucas dies in Arena League game
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Former NFL defensive lineman Al Lucas died Sunday from a presumed spinal cord injury sustained while trying to make a tackle for the Los Angeles Avengers during an Arena Football League game, the team said.

Ex-NFL player Al Lucas died from an apparent spinal cord injury suffered while playing in an Arena League game for the L.A. Avengers.
By Bill Haber, AP

Lucas was taken to California Hospital and all attempts to revive him were unsuccessful, team physician Dr. Luga Podesta said in a statement.

Members of the team were prohibited from speaking to the media after the game. A call to a California Hospital spokesman was not returned.

"It is with great sadness that we confirm the passing of Al Lucas. At this time, the thoughts and prayers of the entire Avenger organization are with his wife and family," team owner and chief executive officer Casey Wasserman said in a statement.

The 26-year-old Lucas was injured during a first-quarter kickoff return against the New York Dragons.

Television replays showed Lucas bending down to make a tackle. The Dragons' ball carrier and a blocker tumbled over his head and back, with the blocker's leg appearing to hit Lucas in the head. Lucas did not move after falling to the ground.

The 6-foot-1, 300-pound lineman played two seasons (2000-01) for the Carolina Panthers, recording 49.50 tackles in 20 games. He attended Troy State from 1996-99 and won the Buck Buchanan Award his senior season as the top defensive player in Division I-AA. In 43 games at Troy State he had 255 tackles and 11.50 sacks.

He was selected to the Arena League's All-Rookie team in 2003 while playing for Tampa Bay.

"Al Lucas played arena football with passion and integrity. The entire AFL family extends its deepest sympathies to Al's wife and family as well as his friends, family and teammates," commissioner David Baker said in a statement.

Lucas was married to De-Shonda Lucas and had a daughter, Mariah.

[FADERPROOF]

man that sucks...

[Maximus]

It's just a reminder of how dangerous this sport is. Next time we gripe about players getting too much money, we need to remember how easy it is for a life to end on the field.

Next time you see John Lynch lower his head and get fined $75,000 remember... the players in this article.

[Tredici]

Nothing like a Raider fan to throw a cheap shot. Too bad there isn't a fine for that. It would be more fitting to remember Darryl Stingley wouldn't it?

Condolences to the Lucas family.

[FADERPROOF]

Nothing like a Raider fan to throw a cheap shot. Too bad there isn't a fine for that. It would be more fitting to remember Darryl Stingley wouldn't it?

Condolences to the Lucas family.

Yep, that's the type of class that Max brings to the table.

26 years old is too young, couldn't imagine being gone within the next 4 years of my life. Prayers are with the Lucas family.

[Maximus]

**** both of you... Stingley happened. Stingley also ducked his head. You idiots just can't get past the :homer: factor!

The bottom line is you idiots complained about the NFL fine for Lynchs' helmet to helmet hit but now you don't want to acknowledge that the same type of tackle could kill him too... ??? Not to mention Dallas Clark ??? You donkey fans know nothing about class!

[Tredici]

**** both of you... Stingley happened. Stingley also ducked his head. You idiots just can't get past the :homer: factor!

The bottom line is you idiots complained about the NFL fine for Lynchs' helmet to helmet hit but now you don't want to acknowledge that the same type of tackle could kill him too... ??? Not to mention Dallas Clark ??? You donkey fans know nothing about class!

Don't even try the class crap. Poor Lucas got run over in a kickoff. It had nothing to do with a helmet lowered tackle. You were a little **** to bring it up, now live with it.

Call me a Homer. This thread was about a young man who lost his life playing a game. Not for cheapass smack.

[Maximus]

My original comment wasn't about homerism you idiots started that ****. The original comment is about reflection. Think about it next time there is an argument on OM about a helmet to helmet hit or about a player trying to secure money for his family... You live with your comments bud. You clearly took my comments out of context!

[DB-Freak]

My original comment wasn't about homerism you idiots started that ****. The original comment is about reflection. Think about it next time there is an argument on OM about a helmet to helmet hit or about a player trying to secure money for his family... You live with your comments bud. You clearly took my comments out of context!
Agreed Max

[FADERPROOF]

**** both of you... Stingley happened. Stingley also ducked his head. You idiots just can't get past the :homer: factor!

The bottom line is you idiots complained about the NFL fine for Lynchs' helmet to helmet hit but now you don't want to acknowledge that the same type of tackle could kill him too... ??? Not to mention Dallas Clark ??? You donkey fans know nothing about class!

A guy just died, I would say that its the wrong thread to take a jab at the Broncos and get into a helmet to helmet debate.

Show some damn remorse for someone that just lost his life, you heartless prick.

[DB-Freak]

A guy just died, I would say that its the wrong thread to take a jab at the Broncos and get into a helmet to helmet debate.

Show some damn remorse for someone that just lost his life, you heartless prick.
No actually he brings up a good point.

He showed his sympathy and brought up a very valid point or two .

[RhymesayersDU]

I think he was merely bringing up Lynch as an example, not taking shots at the Broncos per se.

And I think the point is fair. These guys can get seriously injured at any time.

[FADERPROOF]

So Max's intentions were to bring up that football players can get injured while playing football?

Wow, thanks for that great unknown information.

[Maximus]

Listen dummy its not a jab it's about you as a fan thinking about the dangerous nature of the game... As I said think about it next time there is a fine handed out and you get caught up in a tizzy about the fine... etc. Lynch or anyother player could easily end up in the same situation. Wrong thread no... It's the right thread for my comment. You and your buddy are just taking it out of context Dickhead!

[DB-Freak]

So Max's intentions were to bring up that football players can get injured while playing football?

Wow, thanks for that great unknown information.
No more like pointing out people trying to defend the kind of hits lynch make.

Players could get injured or die just by playing the rules and we dont need helmet to helment hits in additions to that.

[Maximus]

No more like pointing out people trying to defend the kind of hits lynch make.

Players could get injured or die just by playing the rules and we dont need helmet to helment hits in additions to that.

Exactly. I've been on OM for about 4 years and I have never taken a jab in circumstances like this. Some people get too sensitive.

[clean]

"Perhaps no one was ever better at such destruction than Tatum. A three-time Pro Bowl selection, he was one of the most feared hitters in the game. He and his teammates in the secondary -- especially cornerback George Atkinson and safety Skip Thomas, who went by the nickname "Dr. Death" -- ran a weekly pool. The first member of the secondary to knock a receiver cold won the money. Tatum collected the pot more than a few times."

"A few years ago, representatives of Tatum proposed a reconciliation with Stingley to be televised on Fox. Stingley was all for it until late Globe sportswriter Will McDonough called and told him Tatum was coming out with a new book and wanted to use the interview to boost sales."


http://www.thirdside.org/stories_26.cfm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0896960609/ref%3Dnosim/gnugk100-20/103-5430731-7565441

[Maximus]

"Perhaps no one was ever better at such destruction than Tatum. A three-time Pro Bowl selection, he was one of the most feared hitters in the game. He and his teammates in the secondary -- especially cornerback George Atkinson and safety Skip Thomas, who went by the nickname "Dr. Death" -- ran a weekly pool. The first member of the secondary to knock a receiver cold won the money. Tatum collected the pot more than a few times.

A few years ago, representatives of Tatum proposed a reconciliation with Stingley to be televised on Fox. Stingley was all for it until late Globe sportswriter Will McDonough called and told him Tatum was coming out with a new book and wanted to use the interview to boost sales."


http://www.thirdside.org/stories_26.cfm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0896960609/ref%3Dnosim/gnugk100-20/103-5430731-7565441

Where's the outrage for this post. Tatum did what he did... I watched the Raiders vs Patriots game live and I never felt the same... Everytime a player goes down I think about Darryl Stingley.

What's the point of your post... Cheap shot or Reflection?

[clean]

What's the point of your post... Cheap shot or Reflection?

Just copying and pasting the facts, ma'am.

[Tredici]

My original comment wasn't about homerism you idiots started that ****. The original comment is about reflection. Think about it next time there is an argument on OM about a helmet to helmet hit or about a player trying to secure money for his family... You live with your comments bud. You clearly took my comments out of context!

First of all, I'm not a bud. Second of all, even though we can barely comprehend football being drooling Bronco fans, we have the ability to know the nature of the game and the risks that are taken everyday. Third, if you just want to be reflective, there is no need to SPECIFICALLY metion John Lynch. That was nothing but a little Fadefan smack which you couldn't resist. Since we all KNOW the DANGERS of the game, it was a gratutious addition. Wouldn't expect you to sack up and admit it wasn't necessary.

[FADERPROOF]

First of all, I'm not a bud. Second of all, even though we can barely comprehend football being drooling Bronco fans, we have the ability to know the nature of the game and the risks that are taken everyday. Third, if you just want to be reflective, there is no need to SPECIFICALLY metion John Lynch. That was nothing but a little Fadefan smack which you couldn't resist. Since we all KNOW the DANGERS of the game, it was a gratutious addition. Wouldn't expect you to sack up and admit it wasn't necessary.

Exactly, he saw an opportunity to take a jab at a Bronco player, and went after it.

[SoCalBronco]

Rip.

[Maximus]

Exactly, he saw an opportunity to take a jab at a Bronco player, and went after it.

I'm not going to argue it... What I posted had nothing to do with taking a shot at Lynch... If I wanted to take a shot at him I would have done better than that. Fact of the matter is that you're an over sensitive wuss... Would it have made a difference if I said Donovan Darrius? Hell yeah cause he's not a donkey so, thats ok???

The point is Lynch is a perfect example so I used him! There is a whole line of smack that I could be running right now but, that isn't my intention.

[Maximus]

First of all, I'm not a bud. Second of all, even though we can barely comprehend football being drooling Bronco fans, we have the ability to know the nature of the game and the risks that are taken everyday. Third, if you just want to be reflective, there is no need to SPECIFICALLY metion John Lynch. That was nothing but a little Fadefan smack which you couldn't resist. Since we all KNOW the DANGERS of the game, it was a gratutious addition. Wouldn't expect you to sack up and admit it wasn't necessary.

1. I know that you're not a bud ( per se )

2. This is a Bronco board so I brought up a relevent player that was involved in a dangerous situation on the field what's the big deal? If there was a Raider Player that was in the same situation I would have mentioned him but, there weren't any that came to mind. Both of you over reacted.

[Mtbrncofn]

What a tragedy. Condolences go out to his family.

This definitely was not an oppurtune time to mention the Lynch hits. :nono:

[Maximus]

What a tragedy. Condolences go out to his family.

This definitely was not an oppurtune time to mention the Lynch hits. :nono:

Most definitely a tragedy... Now change the name to Donovan Darrius is it still a bad time to bring up his dangerous hit???

Fugging hypocrites all of you!

[-Slap-]

Most definitely a tragedy... Now change the name to Donovan Darrius is it still a bad time to bring up his dangerous hit???

Fugging hypocrites all of you!

Go **** yourself, **********.

[Mtbrncofn]

Most definitely a tragedy... Now change the name to Donovan Darrius is it still a bad time to bring up his dangerous hit???

Fugging hypocrites all of you!


4321~

[FADERPROOF]

Most definitely a tragedy... Now change the name to Donovan Darrius is it still a bad time to bring up his dangerous hit???

Fugging hypocrites all of you!

Actually Donovan Darius would be a better example considering he nearly took Robert Fergusons head off last year, or Rodney Harrison might be a better one as well considering he's been fined the msot for illegal hits, or even Darren Woodson would be since his hit on Darrell Jackson 2 years ago nearly paralyzed him.

But no, you had to say John Lynch and bring up we that shouldn't defend him because he could kill someone with his hits. That was a jab at him and at Bronco fans, just too bad you don't have the balls to admit it.

[kappys]

Most definitely a tragedy... Now change the name to Donovan Darrius is it still a bad time to bring up his dangerous hit???

Fugging hypocrites all of you!

Yes. Which is why your post was completely classless.

[Mtbrncofn]

Go **** yourself, **********.


Another thing I love about Slap....he never minces words. :thumbsup:

[Tredici]

1. I know that you're not a bud ( per se )

2. This is a Bronco board so I brought up a relevent player that was involved in a dangerous situation on the field what's the big deal? If there was a Raider Player that was in the same situation I would have mentioned him but, there weren't any that came to mind. Both of you over reacted.

Like I said. I knew you couldn't man up and admit it was a gratuitious shot. Now it's a "relevent player". You would have mentioned the Raider player but John Lynch (who is healthy came to mind) but Stingley (who is paralyzed, didn't).

Spin Baby Spin.

Nobody here needs any "reflective" advice from anyone else, we all understand the violent nature of the game. Pompous ass.

Again, this is a thread about a young man who lost his life.
I didn't over react. I just didn't let you get away with some total bull**** that didn't belong on this thread.

[Nuggets4]

Wow....Raiders fan and Maurice Clarett's towel boy are on the same side on this issue. Shocking.

R.I.P. to the Lucas family.

[Maximus]

Yes. Which is why your post was completely classless.

I'm classless... Thats a laugh here's classless

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=24345&page=1&pp=40&highlight=johnny+cochran

[Tredici]

I'm classless... Thats a laugh here's classless

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=24345&page=1&pp=40&highlight=johnny+cochran

Yes. This is without class.

The topic of this thread is concerning a young man who died.

RIP Al Lucas. Please forgive the disrespect perpetuated by the Raider Fan. He can't seem to help himself.

[-Slap-]

I'm classless... Thats a laugh here's classless

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=24345&page=1&pp=40&highlight=johnny+cochran

So, why hang around here, you skeevy, little, walking-through-the-backdoor ****?

This thread is Max in a nutshell. Backbiting, classless bastard.

[Maximus]

Yes. This is without class.

The topic of this thread is concerning a young man who died.

RIP Al Lucas. Please forgive the disrespect perpetuated by the Raider Fan. He can't seem to help himself.I'm not disrespecting Al Lucas... You are if you don't think that the types of hits that Lynch & Darrius made last season won't be on his familys' mind if they watch football ever again.

[FADERPROOF]

I'm not disrespecting Al Lucas... You are if you don't think that the types of hits that Lynch & Darrius made last season won't be on his familys' mind if they watch football ever again.

Your opening comment on this was "This is just a reminder on how dangerous this sport is," personally Al Lucas deserves more than just being a reminder for people.

You don't think it's disrespectful that you acknowledged this young mans death as just a reminder on how dangerous the sport is?

[Maximus]

Your opening comment on this was "This is just a reminder on how dangerous this sport is," personally Al Lucas deserves more than just being a reminder for people.

You don't think it's disrespectful that you acknowledged this young mans death as just a reminder on how dangerous the sport is?

No Denfan we're all guilty of watching the game and getting so involved with the Knock him out mentality that sometimes we need to remember that this can be the result. There was a young HS kid in Roch, NY who was killed last year while playing from the same type of hits that we celebrate.

Both lynch & darrious made very dangerous hits ( Dangerous not cheap ) and we could be easily talking about either one of them. The league didn't fine them because they wanted too... They deemed the hit Dangerous ( Not Cheap )

[Maximus]

Actually Donovan Darius would be a better example considering he nearly took Robert Fergusons head off last year, or Rodney Harrison might be a better one as well considering he's been fined the msot for illegal hits, or even Darren Woodson would be since his hit on Darrell Jackson 2 years ago nearly paralyzed him.

But no, you had to say John Lynch and bring up we that shouldn't defend him because he could kill someone with his hits. That was a jab at him and at Bronco fans, just too bad you don't have the balls to admit it.

All of these are note worthy. In lite of this current situation, why should anyone defend a hit that the league saw as a finable offense? And hell yeah I had to say lynch because ( Again ) this is a bronco board... If It were a Jaguar Board or Patriots board I would have brought up their players.

[SoCalBronco]

All of these are note worthy. In lite of this current situation, why should anyone defend a hit that the league saw as a finable offense? And hell yeah I had to say lynch because ( Again ) this is a bronco board... If It were a Jaguar Board or Patriots board I would have brought up their players.

Why do i find it difficult to believe if it were a Raider board, following this line of logic, you would have brought up Tatum.

[Maximus]

Why do i find it difficult to believe if it were a Raider board, following this line of logic, you would have brought up Tatum.

If you were on our Board and brought up Tatum I wouldn't act like he didn't make some dangerous hits like some of these self righteous goofs!
Matter of fact on this thread I haven't tried to defend the Stingley Hit... It was un-necessary. The point is people only want to reflect when someone dies or gets paralyzed... but, when there is a fine for the types of hits that happened last season... people are quick to say the league is pussified... ETC... Take up a collection and then they have the temerity to post a RIP on a thread like this.... Hypocracy at its best! :moody:

I'm done I know what I meant and I'm starting to digress!!!

[minibronco]

thought i already posted about this:

One more tidbit that I know doesn't fit in this thread but I don't want to open a new one due to the limited number of Arena Football fans here in this forum.

http://www.laavengers.com/2005roster/AL-LUCAS.jpg

Al Lucas of the Los Angeles Avengers (AFL) suffered a spinal injury in this morning's game. Revival attempts in the hospital failed: he died at the age of 26.

[Arkie]

The 26-year-old Lucas was injured during a first-quarter kickoff return against the New York Dragons.

Television replays showed Lucas bending down to make a tackle. The Dragons' ball carrier and a blocker tumbled over his head and back, with the blocker's leg appearing to hit Lucas in the head. Lucas did not move after falling to the ground.


Special teams are the most dangerous part of the game. There aren't any controversial hits in this play. What a tragedy!

[Jason in LA]

Go **** yourself, **********.

I bet Slap will get a lot of reps over this comment.

Lynch shouldn't have been mentioned. Max may have a point, but some times it's better to leave it alone than to be right about something.

Max, and everybody else in this debate, just let it go. Let this thread die and all will be forgotten. Who cares who is right or wrong. It doesn't matter at this point. All that matters is one person, who had a wife and child/children, is gone. Lets all pray that his family is taken care of.

[Jason in LA]

I just noticed that I have an avitar of a very questionible hit. I guess I really can't be the voice of reason here.

[ro_50]

Sad, my prayers go out to the Lucas family.

[FADERPROOF]

If you were on our Board and brought up Tatum I wouldn't act like he didn't make some dangerous hits like some of these self righteous goofs!


If we were on your board, most people would have the class and dignity to just say "prayers are with the Lucas family" or something along those lines, it takes a true asshole to brush off the mans death as being JUST a reminder that people can get seriously hurt while playing football, and begin an unecessary argument in the thread as well.

Good job Max, your true colors keep showing.

[Crushaholic]

Condolences to the Lucas family on the loss...

[Maximus]

If we were on your board, most people would have the class and dignity to just say "prayers are with the Lucas family" or something along those lines, it takes a true asshole to brush off the mans death as being JUST a reminder that people can get seriously hurt while playing football, and begin an unecessary argument in the thread as well.

Good job Max, your true colors keep showing.

Mere assumptions... I don't have to say it on a message board... You show how stupid you really are... LA is right!

[bendog]

Tredici may not be your bud, maximum, but you're certainly a pussy.

[Mile High Shack]

Max got owned on this thread

trying to talk smack on a thread about a guy who died is totally classless

[Tredici]

I'm not disrespecting Al Lucas... You are if you don't think that the types of hits that Lynch & Darrius made last season won't be on his familys' mind if they watch football ever again.

Spin Baby Spin.

Al Lucas was participating in a kickoff return. Two players went over him and one of them hit him in the head with his leg. Seems to me it had very little to do with helmet contact or an illegal tackle. It was a freakish accident - much more similar to Mike Anderson having his groin torn on what should have been a routine Special Team play. Or Ray Lewis trying to get on Sportscenter by deliberately headhunting players like Keith Burns during Special Teams play.

We all know it is a physically violent game. We all know bodily harm can be done. We all know the NFL tries to protect the players from themselves and each other in what is reasonable play and what is not.

We should respect Al Lucas playing a sport he loved and paying the ultimate price. That is what this thread is for - remembering that. Not for chastising opposing fans about why there are fines levied in the NFL. If you still haven't figured that out, well denial and delusion are part of the human condition, too.

If you felt the need to unnecessarily explain the dangers of the sport by mentioning NFL players who have absolutely nothing to do with the situation which caused a young man to lose his life in playing Arena Football perhaps you could've started a speculation thread.

[DB-Freak]

MAx wasnt jabbing at the Broncos or trying to downgrade anyone here.

He brought up a good point and a pretty serious one relating to risks of playing in the NFL.

He pointed out people who defend hits like Lynch and complain about players who are all about the "money". Max was just saying think.

IT wasn't a jab at the Broncos. It was a jab at people who defend illegal and dangerous actions.

[FADERPROOF]

It was a jab at people who defend illegal and dangerous actions.

Which had NOTHING to do with this mans death, which is why people are upset with his comments. It wasn't the thread to start the jabs and debates, a person jsut died playing the sport he loves to play, and instead of saying "condolences", he takes a jab and specifically brings up John Lynch.

That's classless.

[DB-Freak]

Which had NOTHING to do with this mans death, which is why people are upset with his comments. It wasn't the thread to start the jabs and debates, a person jsut died playing the sport he loves to play, and instead of saying "condolences", he takes a jab and specifically brings up John Lynch.

That's classless.

It didnt have anything to do with his death.

But it is related in a way about playing this sport and how serious it can be at times.

It's just a reminder of how dangerous this sport is. Next time we gripe about players getting too much money, we need to remember how easy it is for a life to end on the field.

Next time you see John Lynch lower his head and get fined $75,000 remember... the players in this article.

Here Max talks about this being reminder how dangerous this sport and points out about the fans who gripe and he uses Lynch as an example because we are Broncos fans and he wants to relate it to us.


**** both of you... Stingley happened. Stingley also ducked his head. You idiots just can't get past the factor!

The bottom line is you idiots complained about the NFL fine for Lynchs' helmet to helmet hit but now you don't want to acknowledge that the same type of tackle could kill him too... Not to mention Dallas Clark You donkey fans know nothing about class!

ANd he also points about fans who defend the hits.

And people who cant comprehend or are too serious about this rivalry got pissy at his comment. All he was saying was think.

You guys took this as a cheap smack.

[Mile High Shack]

lynch's hit and the hit that paralyzed the guy in the arena game is like comparing onions to apples

[DB-Freak]

lynch's hit and the hit that paralyzed the guy in the arena game is like comparing onions to apples
Not really...........

but even if you look at it that way, saying think before you do something isnt much of a jab or smack either.

[Mile High Shack]

Not really...........

but even if you look at it that way, saying think before you do something isnt much of a jab or smack either.

why did he bring up Lynch then....if not to raise the ire of Bronco fans?

[DB-Freak]

why did he bring up Lynch then....if not to raise the ire of Bronco fans?

You dont think of it as a fit example to get your point across? I mean in a forum full of Bronco Fans.

Should he have brought up Roy Williams or Donavin Darius instead?

THen it wouldnt have raised the ire of Broncos fans?

And wouldnt have raised an ire in my opinion too.

But wouldnt you find something funny and yet sad about that?

[FADERPROOF]

why did he bring up Lynch then....if not to raise the ire of Bronco fans?

Dont bother with him Shack, just look at the guys username and that should tell you that he's just not worth arguing with.

[Meck77]

We all know it is a physically violent game. .


Without a doubt. This is definetly a tragic situation. Being that the snowstorm kept alot of fans home from Colorado Crush game yesterday the security guards allowed the fans to move wherever we wanted to. I was lucky enough to sit right along the wall yesterday and let me tell you it was pretty wild. If you are not paying attention it is easy to get wacked by a player or ball etc. Infact we had a player get slammed into the wall and almost onto our laps. It took a few of us to stop the guy from going into the seats!

Anyone that says Arena ball isn't real obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. The game may be different but the effort and collisions are just as hard as the NFL and when you add a wall into the equation it is down right violent sometimes.

The interaction with the coaches and players is also pretty cool. We were able to talk to some of our guys during the game and they even joked around with us between plays. On the flip side we were definetly talking some smak to the Soul Players. I'd imagine there are alot of LA Avenger fans in shock right now who knew Lucas being that the Arena league is definetly a "Family" type environment between the fans and the teams.

Infact even some of the Colorado Crush fans we hang out with are going to ask the Crush to do a moment of silence for Lucas at the next home game here in Denver and some other members are coming up with other ideas of showing support to Lucas's family.

If anyone is interested you can find the discussion here. Someone posted an email to the LA avengers and other info.

www.clubcrush.com Click on messageboard.......and you'll find the discussion.

FYI...you do not have to register to the board in order to post as a guest if you have something to say.

RIP Lucas

[DB-Freak]

Dont bother with him Shack, just look at the guys username and that should tell you that he's just not worth arguing with.

And a closet raider fan too right?

You keep em coming DF.

I love humor.

[Northman]

No more like pointing out people trying to defend the kind of hits lynch make.

Players could get injured or die just by playing the rules and we dont need helmet to helment hits in additions to that.


Dennis Smith, Steve Atwater, and Ronnie Lott made a living, a very long living playing the same way that Kenoy and John play and they ended up just fine. the fact is accidents happen it doesnt matter if it is helmet to helmet hits or not so Max's point is irrelevant to this.

[DB-Freak]

Dennis Smith, Steve Atwater, and Ronnie Lott made a living, a very long living playing the same way that Kenoy and John play and they ended up just fine. the fact is accidents happen it doesnt matter if it is helmet to helmet hits or not so Max's point is irrelevant to this.
MAx pointed out people who defended actions like that and griped about players.

Not Lynch and his hits.

Next time we gripe about players getting too much money, we need to remember how easy it is for a life to end on the field.


The bottom line is you idiots complained about the NFL fine for Lynchs' helmet to helmet hit but now you don't want to acknowledge that the same type of tackle could kill him too

Funny thing is people raised an ire about the lynch thing not his other comment about people griping players wanting money.

[FADERPROOF]

And a closet raider fan too right?

You keep em coming DF.

I love humor.

I alreasdy said that you're not worth arguing with.

[DB-Freak]

I alreasdy said that you're not worth arguing with.

Yes yes there is always an excuse.

[Northman]

MAx pointed out people who defended actions like that and griped about players.

Not Lynch and his hits.



Funny thing is people raised an ire about the lynch thing not his other comment about people griping players wanting money.


Fact is though CNT i can walk out in my front of my Apt. complex and get hit by a car and die. i think everyone here knows how fast a life can end some of us have seen it up close. we gripe about players complaining because THEY ( being the players ) dont know how good they have it and yet still complain. the fact is people are killed in many more ways other than on a football field. again, his point is really irrelevant to the individual at hand and was nothing more a pot shot at one of our players. and how bout it? Tatum ended someone's career and yet has NO REMORSE about it. lets talk about that? how surprising Max didnt bring that up.

[DB-Freak]

Fact is though CNT i can walk out in my front of my Apt. complex and get hit by a car and die. i think everyone here knows how fast a life can end some of us have seen it up close. we gripe about players complaining because THEY ( being the players ) dont know how good they have it and yet still complain. the fact is people are killed in many more ways other than on a football field. again, his point is really irrelevant to the individual at hand and was nothing more a pot shot at one of our players. and how bout it? Stingly ended someone's career and yet has NO REMORSE about it. lets talk about that? how surprising Max didnt bring that up.
Max's point wasnt about how death can come at any moment and never was.

And about the player's life we have never been in one so we just cant hundred percent assume. And it was about people grip players who play for the money and such not just players who want more money and complain.

Max pointed out people who defended dangerous hits and such and brought Lynch just as an example since this is a forum of Bronco fans and of course what better example to give. And would it really make a difference if he gave a different example? Stingly? Roy Williams? Donavin Darius? If it did, that would be just sad. And when Stingly was brought up did Max defend his action?

Max shows more compassion then people who defend the clearly dangerous hits.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Max shows more compassion then people who defend the clearly dangerous hits.
Are you one of his relatives or something? Bringing up Lynch's hit is nothing more than a cheap shot at the Broncos and Bronco fans. His quote below is nothing but pure BS!

RIP Lucas!

This is a Bronco board so I brought up a relevent player that was involved in a dangerous situation on the field what's the big deal? If there was a Raider Player that was in the same situation I would have mentioned him but, there weren't any that came to mind. Both of you over reacted.

[Northman]

Max's point wasnt about how death can come at any moment and never was.

And about the player's life we have never been in one so we just cant hundred percent assume. And it was about people grip players who play for the money and such not just players who want more money and complain.

Max pointed out people who defended dangerous hits and such and brought Lynch just as an example since this is a forum of Bronco fans and of course what better example to give. And would it really make a difference if he gave a different example? Stingly? Roy Williams? Donavin Darius? If it did, that would be just sad. And when Stingly was brought up did Max defend his action?

Max shows more compassion then people who defend the clearly dangerous hits.



Now i know your way out of your league here. first of all, you have no proof or evidence to support that John Lynch goes out on the football field to INTENTIONALLY hurt someone. those dangerous hits your whining about? have been going on for over 3 decades if not more. furthermore, im stating right now that it is virtually impossible NOT to hit part of a helmet when making a tackle. i know this cause i played the game and played the position. got news for you CNT, this is football. it is a physical sport and people get hurt so get over it. if it is too much for you too handle then dont watch. there's always golf in your near future.

[DB-Freak]

Are you one of his relatives or something? Bringing up Lynch's hit is nothing more than a cheap shot at the Broncos and Bronco fans. His quote below is nothing but pure BS!

RIP Lucas!
Originally Posted by Maximus
This is a Bronco board so I brought up a relevent player that was involved in a dangerous situation on the field what's the big deal
Anyone in his situation would have at least brought up lynch. I dont see the big deal either.

If there was a Raider Player that was in the same situation I would have mentioned him but, there weren't any that came to mind. Both of you over reacted.
Obviously his first part was untrue but I couldnt think of Stingly right at the moment either unlike the lynch and Roy williams events which are much more recent. And second he didnt praise and applaud Stingly's action either.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Anyone in his situation would have at least brought up lynch. I dont see the big deal either.


Obviously his first part was untrue but I couldnt think of Stingly right at the moment either unlike the lynch and Roy williams events which are much more recent. And second he didnt praise and applaud Stingly's action either.

So the relative part is answered (have to be one to know his "situation").

No, he didn't praise anyone after he pulled his foot out of his mouth.

[DB-Freak]

Now i know your way out of your league here. first of all, you have no proof or evidence to support that John Lynch goes out on the football field to INTENTIONALLY hurt someone. those dangerous hits your whining about? have been going on for over 3 decades if not more. furthermore, im stating right now that it is virtually impossible NOT to hit part of a helmet when making a tackle. i know this cause i played the game and played the position. got news for you CNT, this is football. it is a physical sport and people get hurt so get over it. if it is too much for you too handle then dont watch. there's always golf in your near future.
Haha

I played the sport too so that doesnt have much bearing

Did I or Max ever say about Lynch's intentions?

You have ignored practically every point I made here and made a completely irrelevant statement. Max pointed out people who defended the hits.

Also I am well aware of those hits and now they are illegal for a reason. Accidents can happen here and there but defending and supporting those hits are questionable.


Head to head hits arent hitting just part of a helmet either. And it is not impossible to not hit the head either.

Just to let you know you should stay on point.

[minibronco]

REACTION TO THE TRAGIC DEATH OF AL LUCAS
April 10th, 2005



AVENGER OWNER & CEO CASEY WASSERMAN

“It is with great sadness that we confirm the passing of Al Lucas. At this time, the thoughts and prayers of the entire Avenger organization are with his wife and family.”


ARENA FOOTBALL LEAGUE COMMISSIONER DAVID BAKER

“On behalf of the AFL, we are all heart broken. Al played with passion and integrity and the entire AFL family extends its deepest sympathies to Al’s wife and family as they find a way to work through this and recover from it. We offer our prayers to the Avenger organization though this difficult time. This day puts the game in perspective.”


AVENGER TEAM PHYSICIAN DR. LUGA PODESTA

“During the game today, Al Lucas suffered a presumed spinal cord injury and was brought to California Hospital where all attempts to revive him were unsuccessful. He was pronounced dead at 1:28 p.m. today.”


AVENGER HEAD COACH ED HODGKISS

“My thoughts and prayers go out to Al’s family. It is just devastating. I’m just praying for him and his family.

“After the game, I took the team inside the locker room and told them. It was the hardest thing that I ever had to do.”


AVENGER OL/DL SEAN McNAMARA

“There is nothing you can say. It never entered my mind that this was possible. Right now you just think about his family and hope they are alright. I am going to miss him.”


AVENGER OFFENSIVE SPECIALIST TONY LOCKE

“I wish this was a bad dream I could wake up from. He was one of the happiest, most giving guys and the moral leader of this team. He was the first guy that I met when I got here. He cared more about this game than anyone I know. Let’s pray for his family.

“I knew it was pretty serious, but we did not know the outcome until we got into the locker room after the game. I’m at a loss for words, sorry.”


AVENGER FB/LB LONNIE FORD

“Al was a great teammate. When he was laying on the ground I was thinking that could be any one of us. My heart goes out to his wife and family. I’m just shocked right now.

“Al was a great player. He had a great energy and brought an attitude to this team.

“I was on the sideline when it happened. Everything just stopped. That’s why we need to cherish the moments that we have.”


NEW YORK DRAGON QUARTERBACK AARON GARCIA

“Today's events give us a lot of perspective. Our thoughts and prayers are with the Lucas family and the Avenger family."


TAMPA BAY STORM HEAD COACH TIM MARCUM

"It has come with great shock and sorrow that I have heard of the passing of Al Lucas. On behalf of the Storm, our hearts go out to his wife and family. Al was a magnificent competitor and was a critical part of our 2003 ArenaBowl championship team. He was an outstanding teammate and influence in the locker room. He will be severely missed."


GEORGIA FORCE WR/LB-OS CHRIS JACKSON

"We used to go to Bible study together. It's just a terrible tragedy. Something like this is completely out of our minds as a worst-case scenario. A season-ending injury or career-ending injury, but never this. Never, never this."


CAROLINA PANTHER DEFENSIVE LINEMAN MIKE RUCKER

"You definitely would never forget a guy like that. He was a great dude, always playing around, always a kid at heart."

[-Slap-]

Are you one of his relatives or something? Bringing up Lynch's hit is nothing more than a cheap shot at the Broncos and Bronco fans. His quote below is nothing but pure BS!

RIP Lucas!

Max was totally out of line and ClarettNextLPs whole M.O. on this place is to play devil's advocate, especially taking up worthless causes or supporting pariahs.

Tiresome.

[FADERPROOF]

Max was totally out of line and ClarettNextLPs whole M.O. on this place is to play devil's advocate, especially taking up worthless causes or supporting pariahs.

Tiresome.

Exactly why I said it's no sue in arguing with ClarettnextTD, he has a gimmick here of playing aggitator and defender of all the wrong things just to piss people off and get under their skin, he's become the new WaffleBoy around here and it's just sad that he'd rather keep his gimmick up rather than pay some respects to a man that just lost his life playing football.

It got rather tiresome with me considering I was the main focus of his obsession with getting people upset, now I just try to brush him off as much as possible.

[watermock]

My take is that he got caught at the wrong place at the wrong time. I haven't heard the autopsy, but it's pretty obvious he broke his neck on a freak play.

I suffered three concussions playing in Jr. High at SS and one broken clavicle. I was smallish and this one guy (He had a freaking BEARD), I bounced off his thigh pad with my helmet and quivered for a few minutes. I also had a concussion in baseball pitching when I ran into my catcher full tilt on a mini-popup. At any rate, the hit I took against some Ron Dayne lookalike in Jr. High put me out cold when I hit his knee/thigh pad. So it's a rough sport. It's very tragic he died.

But when a smartass comes in here representing a team that has hosted Stingley, SeaBass, Alzado the Roid King, Romo the decapitator, Barrett Robbins and most recently, some unemployed ex-raider that decided to try and take out Sigfried and Roy,(among countless other trash Oakland/L.A. has brought in) like Clarence Kay it's just plain embarrasing.

All teams have bad eggs, but Oakland seems to seek them out. Denver usually manages to get rid of them at the earliest convenience.

[DBroncos4life]

Maybe you should have brought up the DD hit on Ferguson. He lost the feelings in his legs. HE was hurt real bad.

[Mtbrncofn]

It didnt have anything to do with his death.

But it is related in a way about playing this sport and how serious it can be at times.



Here Max talks about this being reminder how dangerous this sport and points out about the fans who gripe and he uses Lynch as an example because we are Broncos fans and he wants to relate it to us.



ANd he also points about fans who defend the hits.

And people who cant comprehend or are too serious about this rivalry got pissy at his comment. All he was saying was think.

You guys took this as a cheap smack.

You have got to be kidding me. It was cheap smack. If it wasn't, how come he used Lynch as an example? To get in a cheap shot at the rival fans.

The whole thing was just classless anyway. To start raggin' on hits on a condolence thread is just ****ty.

That whole Clarett thing must be poisoning your brain altogether. :nono:

[Maximus]

You have got to be kidding me. It was cheap smack. If it wasn't, how come he used Lynch as an example? To get in a cheap shot at the rival fans.

The whole was just classless anyway. To start raggin' on hits on a condolence thread is just ****ty.

That whole Clarett thing must be poisoing your brain altogether. :nono:

Funny how a only a few people are able to see the truth of what happened in this thread... Everyone is acting as if I said... I don't care about Al Lucas... All the focus here is on my use of lynch in a condolence thread yet at the same time It has been said that I could have used Donovan Darrius or Jack Tatum and that would have made a difference. The sad part is... Had I chosen a different player there would not have been a reaction, just as there was no reaction to the comments about Johnny Cochran being called a P.O.S. but, again I'm classless ( Totally Laughable ) If you want more examples of your misplaced righteousness do a search on Barrett Robbins. Where was the outrage when your fellow donk fans made comments about a man who was at deaths door. Totally pitiful some of you carry this Raider vs Denver thing way too far. You don't know where real conversation starts and bull**** ends.

Another person felt that I should have said condolences or RIP and that would have made things better. All I have to say to that is... Which one of you can see into my heart? I don't need to post those things on a message board. Some of you let this whole message board thing go to your head ( Denfan38 or fadeproof ) You think you know what ole Maximus feels, you tried this **** on the thread about the pope dying and this is where your estrogen level is getting the best of you!

Someone said to Clarett "Are we relatives"... It made me wonder also he was dead on with his assessment of where I was going with this whole thing. The problem here is I made a strong point and used a reference that came from constant bickering on this board... My point was to relate to the majority of people for reflection purposes only.

We get so caught up in arguing about boarderline hits that we forget why the league started to police helmet to helmet or Un-Necessary hits in the first place Someone said my comments had no relevance... I beg to differ in the article Chucky Mullins was mentioned. If anyone remembers Chucky Mullins died from the Injuries (Spinal Cord ) caused by helmet to helmet contact. The same type of contact that lynch was fined for ( leading with the crown of the helmet ) Al Lucas died from a spinal cord injury... I hope you all can see the point!

[Tredici]

We get so caught up in arguing about boarderline hits that we forget why the league started to police helmet to helmet or Un-Necessary hits in the first place Someone said my comments had no relevance... I beg to differ in the article Chucky Mullins was mentioned. If anyone remembers Chucky Mullins died from the Injuries (Spinal Cord ) caused by helmet to helmet contact. The same type of contact that lynch was fined for ( leading with the crown of the helmet ) Al Lucas died from a spinal cord injury... I hope you all can see the point!

Again, you are reaching for a point.

The helmet to helmet issue has no reference here except you trying to make the connection to save face.

Lucas died due to a freak accident on a special teams play. I've already explained this simply enough to be understood by a 3rd grader.

There is no similarity in the Lynch hits to the accident suffered by Lucas.
You are jumping to the spinal cord injury to justify what you couldn't resist in a bit of misplaced rival smack.

Again, no one expected you to man up and admit it was the wrong thread to start needless speculation in, or that anyone here is stupid enough for you to have to tell us it's a dangerous sport. You wanted to chastise Bronco fans and now act indignant because it was not necessary in this thread and you got called on it.

At this point you are just seeking attention so this is my last post on this thread.

--And yet Again. RIP in Al Lucas. I'm sure you will be missed and remembered by many.

[Maximus]

Again, you are reaching for a point.

The helmet to helmet issue has no reference here except you trying to make the connection to save face.

Lucas died due to a freak accident on a special teams play. I've already explained this simply enough to be understood by a 3rd grader.

There is no similarity in the Lynch hits to the accident suffered by Lucas.
You are jumping to the spinal cord injury to justify what you couldn't resist in a bit of misplaced rival smack.

Again, no one expected you to man up and admit it was the wrong thread to start needless speculation in, or that anyone here is stupid enough for you to have to tell us it's a dangerous sport. You wanted to chastise Bronco fans and now act indignant because it was not necessary in this thread and you got called on it.

At this point you are just seeking attention so this is my last post on this thread.

--And yet Again. RIP in Al Lucas. I'm sure you will be missed and remembered by many.

Save face... I can care less about saving face. I could say that you're trying to justify your hypocracy. The point is for the umpteenth time... Think about what your cheering for and bitching about... While Lucas' death was a fluke accident... There were many others mentioned in the article that weren't some were caused by helmet to helmet contact... Just like the contact that was initiated by Lynch. There was a reason that he was fined.

Funny you don't seem to want to address the donovan darrius scenario.... It's all about lynch!!!! Take the donkey colored glasses off and think! For petes sake nobody said anything about him playing dirty. It's about players putting themselves and others in a dangerous position.

[Maximus]

Again, you are reaching for a point.

The helmet to helmet issue has no reference here except you trying to make the connection to save face.

Lucas died due to a freak accident on a special teams play. I've already explained this simply enough to be understood by a 3rd grader.

There is no similarity in the Lynch hits to the accident suffered by Lucas.
You are jumping to the spinal cord injury to justify what you couldn't resist in a bit of misplaced rival smack.

Again, no one expected you to man up and admit it was the wrong thread to start needless speculation in, or that anyone here is stupid enough for you to have to tell us it's a dangerous sport. You wanted to chastise Bronco fans and now act indignant because it was not necessary in this thread and you got called on it.

At this point you are just seeking attention so this is my last post on this thread.

--And yet Again. RIP in Al Lucas. I'm sure you will be missed and remembered by many.

For those who skipped the article and continue to say that this has no relevence to this thread!


In 1963, Kansas City rookie running back Stone Johnson died 10 days after he broke his neck in an exhibition game against the Houston Oilers. In the game played at Wichita, Johnson was hurt while blocking on a kickoff return.

In 1960, New York Titans tackle Howard Glenn injured his neck during a play in the first half and died soon afterward.

Washington Redskins tackle Dave Sparks and Chicago Cardinals tackle Stan Mauldin died of heart attacks after games. Sparks died in 1954 three hours after a game, while Mauldin collapsed in the locker room in 1948.

Two college football players died from neck-related injuries in the past 15 years. Mississippi defensive back Chucky Mullins died from injuries sustained on Oct. 28, 1989. Mullins was paralyzed when he broke his neck tackling Vanderbilt tailback Brad Gaines and died 18 months later on May 6, 1991, in a Memphis, hospital.

Washington defensive back Curtis Williams was injured exactly 11 years later attempting to tackle Stanford running back Kerry Carter. He was paralyzed from the neck down and died May 6, 2002.

Three incidences mentioned in the article 2 of which I have seen... and know for a fact were helmet to helmet!