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atwater58
04-09-2005, 08:11 AM
NFL Draft Preview: Offensive Linemen
By John Tuvey, Senior Editor
April 8, 2005 5:00 PM ET


With D'Brickashaw Ferguson opting to return to Virginia for one more season, Max Jean-Giles heading back to Georgia, and Miami's Eric Winston not coming out early after tearing up his knee last season, there may be more elite talent still in school than in the NFL Draft later this month. There's no Robert Gallery here, and it's highly probable only one lineman will be selected in the top half of round one.

However, as many as three or four more big fellas might get to shake hands with Paul Tagliabue before round one is complete, and there are plenty of beefy bodies whose names will be called out by Gene Washington on the first day. None are expected to make an immediate splash, but several long-term anchors could come out of this year's proceedings.


Alex Barron, Florida State
Height: 6-7
Weight: 320
Likely Draft Position: Mid-first round
Possible Destinations: Lions, Texans, Rams
NFL Comparison: Tra Thomas

Barron has everything the NFL wants in an offensive tackle: ginormous size, with a frame that already holds 320 pounds and could easily add 15 more; tremendous footwork and quickness; exceptionally long arms; and experience starting—nay, excelling—for a perennial powerhouse program. His athleticism has drawn comparisons to Orlando Pace and Walter Jones. So why isn't he considered the next Gallery? Despite all the positives, Barron is still viewed as somewhat of a project. He dominated defensive linemen in college, but he may lack the strength to do so at the pro level, and scouts have questioned both his aggressiveness and work ethic. Nonetheless, he's widely considered the premier pass blocker in the draft and is a classic boom-bust pick who could end up being the next Pace… or the next Tony Mandrich.


Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
Height: 6-6
Weight: 313
Likely Draft Position: Mid- to late first round
Possible Destinations: Texans, Rams, Falcons
NFL Comparison: Jordan Gross

If Barron is has the greatest potential of any lineman in this draft, Brown is the safest pick. He's not quite as big as Barron and has been accused of failing to finish his blocks, but he's a three-time All-Big 12 performer who consistently delivers what he is asked to produce. Brown did not allow a single sack during his final season at Oklahoma, winning the Outland Trophy as the nation's top interior lineman in the process. He's projected as more of a right tackle in the NFL, and of the top-ranked offensive linemen on the board he's the one most likely to contribute immediately. Several teams have "offensive lineman" as their secondary need, and if the top players at their primary position of need have gone off the board, Brown will likely be somebody's first-round consolation prize. It's unlikely they'll be disappointed.


Khalif Barnes, Washington
Height: 6-6
Weight: 305
Likely Draft Position: Late first round, early second round
Possible Destinations: Falcons, Jets, Ravens
NFL Comparison: Chris Samuels

Barnes is extraordinarily fast for a big fella, clocking a pair of sub-5.0 40s at the combine. He could use a little more bulk, however, and he's not yet strong enough to dominate NFL defensive linemen, but those are certainly facets of his game that could be added as he matures. He's got a bit of nastiness to him as well, and while a wrist injury ended his final season at Washington prematurely, his performance at the Senior Bowl moved him up back the board a bit. Barnes' speed could allow him to be an elite left tackle in the league, so long as he's willing to hit the weight room and bulk up.


Elton Brown, Virginia
Height: 6-5
Weight: 329
Likely Draft Position: Early to mid-second round
Possible Destinations: Patriots, Colts, BRONCOS
NFL Comparison: Alan Faneca

Not only is Brown massive, he also is one of the better pulling linemen in the draft; hence the comparison to Faneca. Brown could have left Virginia early, but his decision to stay was rewarded with a team captaincy and several All-American honors. Despite his ability to get to the second level of the defense, Brown isn't viewed as a great athlete and scouts are concerned about him not properly applying his sizeable frame against equally large defenders. Most reports indicate he'll be a better fit for a zone blocking team, which could move him up or down the draft board depending on how the early going shakes out.


David Baas, Michigan
Height: 6-4
Weight: 319
Likely Draft Position: Second round
Possible Destinations: Vikings, Bears, Packers
NFL Comparison: Marco Rivera

Baas is versatile enough to play center or guard, athletic enough to get into the second level, and strong enough to handle whomever he encounters. There is very little not to like about him, though scouts were concerned he bulked up too much before his final season at Michigan and lost some of his quickness; over the course of the season, Baas shed the weight and regained his speed. Baas isn't going to drop jaws with his athleticism, but as three straight All-Big Ten selections indicate he is entirely capable of getting the job done.


Chris Spencer, Mississippi
Height: 6-3
Weight: 309
Likely Draft Position: Second round
Possible Destinations: Bengals, Bills, Seahawks
NFL Comparison: Jeff Faine

Spencer is generally considered the best pure center in this year's draft, though fans of LSU's Ben Wilkerson would certainly have reason to dispute those claims. Spencer has the most upside, however, as his frame could add a bit more bulk and he's only played the position for one season. The two-time state powerlifting champion did not allow a sack during his collegiate career and could see time at guard if he's drafted by a team that already has a capable center.

Other linemen to watch: Jason Brown, C (North Carolina); Marcus Johnson, G/T (Mississippi); Chris Kemoeatu, G (Utah); Logan Mankins, G/T (Fresno State); Evan Mathis, G (Alabama); Michael Munoz, T (Tennessee); Claude Terrell, G (New Mexico); Adam Terry, T (Syracuse); Ben Wilkerson, C (LSU).

TheDave
04-09-2005, 08:19 AM
OK...I'm sold!

DBroncos4life
04-09-2005, 08:29 AM
I think a few of those guys are too tall. I don't know if it was heav or wabbit that pointed out Plummers passes at the line and how he can't see over taller Oline guys. Shorter tackles that could be moved inside maybe? Logan Mankins who they think would make a better guard is 6'3" 7/8 so pretty much 6'4". As others have pointed out Evan Mathis or Chris Kenoeatu fit the bill height wise. Chirs from what Im looking at is a little on the slow side of things though. I guess I would need to know who is better at zone blocking before I would guess on who we would get.

Billy Clyde Puckett
04-09-2005, 08:59 AM
I'm for taking a couple of guys a little later in the draft.

Maybe with one of the comp picks take Buenning from Wisconsin or Mankins from Fresno.

I would like to get Chris Meyers from Miami in the 6th but not sure if he will last that long. A little small, but technically sound and can save a roster spot because he can long snap.

Ballhawk
04-09-2005, 12:46 PM
OK...I'm sold!

LOL...bout time you came around!

TheDave
04-09-2005, 01:35 PM
LOL...bout time you came around!

I know... If Baas gets drafted by us i, fully expect some type of compensation by his agent... and if he sucks...God help me around here!

watermock
04-09-2005, 02:04 PM
Damn Dave, I figured you would of capped yourself by now.

Clockwork Orange
04-09-2005, 02:07 PM
I know... If Baas gets drafted by us i, fully expect some type of compensation by his agent... and if he sucks...God help me around here!

I'm with you on Baas. Barring someone unexpectedly falling into the Broncos laps at #25 who they simply cannot pass on, Baas looks like the best pick.

atwater58
04-09-2005, 02:21 PM
DAVID BASS

OVERVIEW
Bass is a typical Michigan blocker who is technically sound and versatile enough to play a variety of roles. He is a three-time All-Big Ten Conference pick and a finalist for Outland Trophy honors in 2004. He is steady and reliable. Baas is one of the toughest drive blockers in the game, using his strength and aggressive play to dominate the interior of the front wall. Bass also displays raw power, good intelligence and a tenacious nature.

An All-American coming out of Riverview (Fla.) High School, Bass was one of the most highly sought recruits in the country. He was forced to sit out the 2000 season after suffering a knee injury in fall drills. He saw action in six games at both guard spots in 2001. The "Baas Man" took over left guard duties the following year, starting thirty games there before shifting to center in the fourth game of the 2004 season. He is a three-time All-Big Ten Conference and two-time All-American selection, holding the distinction of garnering national postseason honors at two positions during his career.

The thing you constantly see on film is his ability to gain position and sustain blocks. Baas uses his hands with force, generating enough power to jolt defenders. His excellent hand placement ability allows him to mirror the defender, compensating for a lack of sustained speed. He showed in 2004 that he has the ability to trap and pull, but he still needs to improve his play when working in space. He is a very smart player, almost like a coach on the field.


ANALYSIS
Positives … Has a big, thick frame with room for a little more growth. … Worked hard to define his upper body muscles and developed a big back, thick chest, wide waist and good bubble in the process. … Has good thickness in his thighs and calves. … His arms also show good thickness and he possesses very strong hands to jolt. … While not known as a quick-twitch type, Bass is an above average athlete who has developed adequate balance. … Shows above average quickness and play speed in the short area. … Physical blocker with very good strength and enough agility to handle quickness inside. … Alert, focused and determined player. … Learns the playbook quickly and is very good for the program, evident by the drastic improvement of the team's ground game in 2004 after he shifted to center (team improved from 106.0 yards per game to 189.7 on the ground). … He makes excellent line adjustments and calls, having done that even when he played guard in the past. … In the short area, he shows good explosion coming off the ball. … Is rarely late to make the inside cut off and has more than enough hand quickness to recoil and reset in pass protection. … Plays with his feet and back flat, which has greatly improved his anchoring ability. … Also improved his balance and strength prior to 2004, resulting in him consistently neutralizing the bull rush (allowed only one sack in 2004 despite learning how to play center on the fly). … Shows very good pop with his hands, doing a good job of grabbing, pushing and steering his man wide. … Even when he bends at the waist, Bass shows good recovery agility to come off the ball well and generate good pop with his hands. … Very good position and angle blocker, playing with enough everage and technique to be effective on double moves. … Plays high in his stance, which allows him to make the reach blocks. … Shows very good hand placement to mirror and has the base and strength to anchor. … His above average pass set quickness lets him lock on and sustain while keeping his feet to slide and sustain in the small area. … Can pull in a small area, especially up the middle and is quite effective at locating and executing his blocks. … Uses his hands as well as any interior lineman in college football. … Gets very good hand placement to mirror and shows the quickness to keep his hands inside. … Has the strength to control and sustain when asked to position block. … Outstanding competitor who plays hard and makes good mental adjustments. … Classic product of the Michigan system -- a lineman with very good technique. … Plays with excellent awareness, instincts and reactions.

Negatives … When working upfield, he looks a little stiff on the move and needs to play taller working to the second level. … His lateral agility needs further improvement and he has just adequate lateral quickness. … Will struggle to make the outside block and with his change of direction on the move, as he is more of a waist bender than a knee bender. … Needs to do a better job of bending at the knees rather than the waist. Hee still manages to be effective on the pulls, but mostly in the short area. … Flashes decent explosion on down blocks, but needs to show more consistency. … When working in the second level and in space, he will lose balance and fails to recover (rarely used on pulls to the second level). … Fails to kick out with more consistency. … As for adjusting on a linebacker down field, this is one area that he struggles in, as he does not demonstrate the best change of direction agility to adjust on the move. … Looks a little bit robotic playing in space, as he does not show his normal quickness to position. … Will revert to waist bending when working in space.


INJURY REPORT
2000: Sat out the season with a knee ligament sprain.


AGILITY
5.02 in the 40-yard dash … 2.91 20-yard dash … 1.67 10-yard dash … 4.46 20-yard shuttle … 7.5 three-cone drill … 29.5-inch vertical jump … 9'9" broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times … 32 Ό-inch arm length … 10 5/8-inch hands … Right-handed … 37 Wonderlic score.


HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Riverview (Sarasota, Fla.) High School, playing football for coach John Sprague … USA Today High School All-America honorable mention … Added All-American honors by Super Prep Magazine and Prep Football Report … Named All-State and All-Area first-team as a senior … Received Offensive Lineman MVP honors as a junior and senior … Team captain in his senior year … Received All-Area honorable mention as a sophomore … Played in the Florida-Georgia All-Star Game and Florida-California All-Star Game … Graded out at 90 percent or better as he averaged seven pancake blocks per game his senior year and recorded a school-record 70 pancake blocks during his junior year … Earned four letters in track … Threw a career-best 53-11 shot put during his senior year … Three-time All-County and All-Area in the shot-put.


PERSONAL
Sports Management and Communications major … Enrolled in the Division of Kinesiology … Nickname is "Baas Man" … Born David Andrew Baas on 9/28/81 … Resides in Sarasota, Florida.

BLOCKING STATISTICS … Based on review of game film by our scouting department … SGP-season grade percentage … GM-games played … PLAY-amount of snaps played in … KB-key blocks (pancake/ knockdowns) … TDB-touchdown resulting blocks … DWF-downfield blocks … PRS-pressures allowed … SKA-sacks allowed … High Grade Game-best graded game for the season.

Mr. Trout
04-09-2005, 03:17 PM
I guess I could live with Baas at #25. He seems like he could kick some ass in the pros.

TotallyScrewed
04-09-2005, 05:13 PM
Can somebody explain how a big guy like Baas can have such great straight line speed and "struggle to make the outside block and with his change of direction on the move"? Obviously, they're different muscles/muscle training but he has quickness. Why can't he be trained to move better in space? Why hasn't this already been addressed?

I'd be VERY happy with E. Brown or D. Baas with the 25th pick. Denver needs O-line help in the worst way (this year!).

Mr. Trout
04-09-2005, 05:16 PM
I'm with you on Baas. Barring someone unexpectedly falling into the Broncos laps at #25 who they simply cannot pass on, Baas looks like the best pick.

I think I'm hoppin on the Baas wagon now. I believe that a first rounder should start or be starting by the end of the season. If we go for a safety, WR, or any other position they will probably not start and possibly could flop Baas is a sure thing and would be starting opening day IMO.

Mr. Trout
04-09-2005, 05:16 PM
Can somebody explain how a big guy like Baas can have such great straight line speed and "struggle to make the outside block and with his change of direction on the move"? Obviously, they're different muscles/muscle training but he has quickness. Why can't he be trained to move better in space? Why hasn't this already been addressed?

I'd be VERY happy with E. Brown or D. Baas with the 25th pick. Denver needs O-line help in the worst way (this year!).


Brown is staying in school for his SR. year

TotallyScrewed
04-09-2005, 05:44 PM
Brown is staying in school for his SR. year

This E. Brown??

Elton Brown, Virginia
Height: 6-5
Weight: 329
Likely Draft Position: Early to mid-second round
Possible Destinations: Patriots, Colts, BRONCOS
NFL Comparison: Alan Faneca

Not only is Brown massive, he also is one of the better pulling linemen in the draft; hence the comparison to Faneca. Brown could have left Virginia early, but his decision to stay was rewarded with a team captaincy and several All-American honors. Despite his ability to get to the second level of the defense, Brown isn't viewed as a great athlete and scouts are concerned about him not properly applying his sizeable frame against equally large defenders. Most reports indicate he'll be a better fit for a zone blocking team, which could move him up or down the draft board depending on how the early going shakes out.

Mr. Trout
04-09-2005, 05:45 PM
yep thats the one