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TheManeMan
04-08-2005, 05:38 PM
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Troy Williamson
WR, South Carolina
Redskins?
Vikings?
Apr. 8 - His name continues to get hotter and his chances of slipping into the top 10 are good. Though he was told last fall he would be a second-round choice, Williamson improved his speed into the 4.3 range and has sent his name flying up the draft board. The upside for him may be the Vikings at No. 7, but it's not out of the question for the Redskins to give him serious consideration at No. 9.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Mike Williams
WR, USC
Bears?
Bucs?
Apr. 8 - After a Thursday visit with the Redskins, Williams is still hoping for a top-five selection and it's not out of the question for the Bears to consider him strong at No. 4. Williams would love the thoughts of going to the Bucs at No. 5 because he's from the Tampa area and knows that the Bucs' offensive coaches like him. More teams at the top of the draft rate Michigan's Braylon Edwards as the top receiver and maybe the top player in the draft, but Williams is looking for that one team that wants him more than Edwards.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Ronnie Brown
RB, Auburn
Dolphins
Apr. 8 - Since the NFL combine, Brown has been projected to go to the Dolphins with the No. 2 overall pick. However, things are getting interesting. There is a push from the coaching staff to look at one of the top quarterbacks, Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers. This is another push from people in the organization to look at Michigan WR Braylon Edwards, perhaps the best player in the draft.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Alex Smith
TE, Stanford
?
Apr. 8 - Twice on Thursday, Smith's name got confused with the Utah quarterback, Alex Smith. There were reports the tight end was visiting the Detroit Lions, but several radio stations got confused and reported it was the quarterback. That led to bad speculation that the Lions were considering a trade up to get the Utah quarterback. Not happening. The Lions are interested in the tight end Alex Smith, possibly in the second round. The other problem developed when there was confusion on a national chat session in which some chatters thought they were questioning the Utah quarterback.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Khalif Barnes
OT, Washington
Texans
Panthers
Jaguars
Apr. 8 - With only three offensive tackles expected to go in the first round, Barnes knows he's a valued commodity. Most of the interest in Barnes is coming from teams in the middle of the first round, such as the Texans, Panthers and Jaguars. Expect Barnes, Barron and right tackle Jammal Brown of Oklahoma to go between 10 and 20.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Charlie Frye
QB, Akron
Packers
Apr. 8 - Because he's worked out and interviewed so well, Frye still has a chance to slip into the lower part of the first round. Frye knows he's competing against Jason Campbell of Auburn for the Packers' attention in the lower part of the first round. Frye has been hearing favorable things from the Packers, but they still have to determine whether they have the ability to take a backup quarterback with their first pick.
--John Clayton
TheManeMan
04-14-2005, 01:45 AM
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Braylon Edwards
WR, Michigan
49ers?
Apr. 13 - The first negotiating session with the 49ers only helped Edwards' chances of being the No. 1 pick, says ESPN.com's John Clayton. Edwards is one of three players the 49ers will speak to about a contract in the next couple of days. The other two are quarterbacks -- Alex Smith of Utah and Aaron Rodgers of Cal.
Eli Manning got a seven-year, $54.29 million deal last year from the Giants as the first pick. Teams generally build in a quarterback premium because of the value of the position, but that doesn't mean Edwards would sign at a discount. It means the 49ers know Edwards costs less because he's not a quarterback. The 49ers do not want to pay significantly more than the Giants paid Manning, which helps Edwards.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Antrel Rolle
CB,
Miami?
Titans?
Apr. 13 - Rolle has confidence. Even though he hasn't had a visit or spent a lot of extra time with the Titans, who have the No. 6 pick, he decided to accept an invitation and attend the draft in New York City. The NFL usually invites only four to six players based on where they are projected to go. The league realizes how tough it is on a player who slips too far in the first round to sit in a side room and watch other players go ahead of him. Rolle doesn't care. He's confident he's going to go in the top 10 and could go as high as No. 6.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
DeMarcus Ware
DE/LB, Troy
Cowboys?
Apr. 13 - Talk about a player shooting up the charts. Word out of Dallas is he might go as high as No. 11, reports John Clayton. The Cowboys may like him more than Shawne Merriman, but it's a close debate. Ware and Merriman would fit in at linebacker in the Cowboys' new 3-4. Ware also has the ability to play defensive end in a 4-3. Playmaking defensive players like him are rare and the Cowboys really like him.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Houston Texans
No. 13 pick?
Apr. 13 - A lot of people think the Texans will draft an offensive lineman because of their attempt to sign Rams left tackle Orlando Pace. They are misreading things, according to John Clayton. The Texans aren't desperate for offensive line help. They like right tackle Todd Wade and still believe Seth Wand will develop into a good left tackle.
The Texans would love to have a running back such as Cadillac Williams or Cedric Benson fall to them at No. 13. They would also like to get a wide receiver, particularly Troy Williamson. The only way they take a tackle in the first round is if he rates out better than other players and is the best player on the board. Tackle isn't a need pick for them.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Cleveland Browns
No. 3 pick?
Apr. 13 - Browns general manager Phil Savage may have to consider a possible trade down with the Bucs (to No. 5) if Aaron Rodgers falls to them. The Browns are believed to like Alex Smith more than Rodgers. If Smith is there at No. 3, they'd take him. If only Rodgers is there, they might have to take wide receiver Braylon Edwards. However, if Edwards is gone, the Browns aren't taking a running back, and might trade down with the Bucs and take a defensive player.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Thomas Davis
S, Georgia
Bengals?
Rams?
Apr. 13 - Davis is clearly the best safety in the draft and should go in the first round between pick No. 17 (Cincinnati) and No. 19 (St. Louis). A few teams, though, could rate him a little higher because they think he can make the transition to linebacker. Davis won't beat out Derrick Johnson of Texas or the versatile linebacker-defensive ends such as Shawne Merriman or Demarcus Ware, but the linebacking possibilities only increase his value.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Odell Thurman
LB, Georgia
Patriots?
Bengals?
Apr. 13 - With concerns about veteran Tedy Bruschi's future, the Patriots are hoping to draft Thurman at the bottom of the first round, according to John Clayton. Thurman is a sideline-to-sideline linebacker who makes plays.
The Bengals also like him, but would have to trade down from No. 17 to get him. Thurman has the skills to do a lot of the specific things needed in Bill Belichick's system. Due to the release of Roman Phifer, the Patriots need a linebacker who can handle pass coverage.
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Cedric Benson
RB, Texas
Bears?
Cardinals?
Texans?
Apr. 12 - Benson is hearing favorable reports about him in Chicago, which has the No. 4 pick. He does have some concerns, however. If he slips to No. 8 and the Cardinals trade for Travis Henry, Benson could drop all the way to No. 13.
The Texans would be wild about that possibility. Though the team is content to have Domanick Davis as its feature back, Benson would be the ideal runner who can pound the ball 20 to 25 plays a game. The Texans plan to go to a more ball-control offense with shorter passes and more runs to protect quarterback David Carr.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Cadillac Williams
RB, Auburn
Bears?
Vikings?
Apr. 12 - Cadillac has been ahead of Ronnie Brown his entire college career, but he's having to hit the road to jump Brown in the draft. Most people expect Brown to be the first running back taken, but Cadillac will stay on the move to convince teams. The Bears have a delegation to give him a slight workout on Thursday. He's also going to visit with the Vikings this week, according to John Clayton.
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David Pollack
DE, Georgia
Chiefs?
Apr. 12 - The Chiefs hope that Pollack will fall to them at No. 15, reports John Clayton. The abundance of defensive ends who might also play linebacker make that a possibility. The opinion on Pollack varies up and down the first-round draft board. He's one of the great play-making defensive players in this draft. Some teams, though, prefer others at that spot who have some better size.
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Heath Miller
TE, Virginia
Bengals?
Jets?
Steelers?
Apr. 12 - Had he not had a sports hernia operation in January, Miller probably would be a top-15 and possibly a top-10 choice. He expects to run a 4.8 once he's healthy in May, and everyone knows he's the best tight end in this draft.
Here's a worry for him, though, and it has nothing to do with his injury. If the Bengals (who draft 17th) and Jets (26th) pass on him for defensive positions, Miller could fall all the way to Pittsburgh at No. 30. Seven of the eight teams between 22 and 29 have top-level tight ends or re-signed tight ends and aren't going to draft one unless it's a matter of taking the best player available.
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Alex Smith
QB, Utah
49ers?
Lions?
Apr. 11 - Smith has gained a lot of momentum over the past week, and ESPN.com's John Clayton is hearing he could end up being the No. 1 pick. However, there are two uncertainties holding that possibility back. First, coach Mike Nolan has the final say on the first pick and he may be leaning toward Aaron Rodgers. Second, a contract needs to be reached before the draft. Some in the 49ers' organization love his upside and think he could end up being better than Rodgers, who is more polished.
The Lions went to great lengths last Wednesday to surreptitiously bring in Smith for a visit. Team officials told local reporters that it was Stanford tight end Alex Smith who was in for a visit, but have since been forced to admit it was the Utah quarterback. Were the Lions simply exercising due diligence, in the event Smith slips to them? Or, as rumored, is coach Steve Mariucci smitten with the young quarterback? No matter the answer, incumbent Joey Harrington can't be thrilled with the Smith flirtation.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Trade?
Apr. 11 - Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen recently visited Utah quarterback Alex Smith and Cal quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and it appears the 49ers, Dolphins and Browns have a possible trading partner if they are willing to make a sweetheart deal to move out of their top-three spots. The Bucs consider Smith and Rodgers top-level quarterbacks.
Although no trade talks have begun, the Bucs' late push to visit the QBs creates some options for the top three teams. Going off the trade charts used by most teams, the normal cost of moving from No. 5 to No. 1 would be top-10, first-round pick. To move from No. 5 to No. 2 would be a top-12 pick. To move from No. 5 to No. 3 would be a second-round pick, something the Bucs could easily do.
--John Clayton
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Carlos Rogers
CB, Auburn
Redskins?
Apr. 11 - Washington, which needs a cornerback to replace the departed Fred Smoot, has focused on Antrel Rolle of Miami and West Virginia's Adam "Pac Man" Jones. But the Redskins are now concerned that both those corners could be gone by the time their choice arrives and are closely examining Rogers.
--Len Pasquarelli
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Shawne Merriman
LB-DE Maryland
Lions?
Cowboys?
Vikings?
Apr. 11 - He should have an interesting week with visits scheduled to Dallas and Detroit. The Lions could be looking for him at No. 10 as a defensive end with great speed and pass-rushing ability. The Cowboys have the next pick and are looking for a big linebacker. Merriman is 274 pounds and faster than ever. He's also hoping that the many Maryland alums at the Minnesota Vikings, including coach Mike Tice and defensive line coach Brian Baker, have the pull to get him as high as No. 7.
--John Clayton
TheManeMan
04-15-2005, 09:26 PM
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Alex Smith
QB, Utah
49ers
Bucs
Apr. 15 - Smith's agent, Tom Condon, held a three-hour meeting with the 49ers Thursday. The meeting included a lot of details and discussion, but one fundamental problem hurts Smith's chances of being selected by the 49ers, says ESPN.com's John Clayton. Smith, as is expected of the top pick in the draft, wants a contract higher than what Eli Manning received last year. That deal was six years, $45 million once you eliminate the hard-to-reach escalators and include $20 million in guarantees.
The 49ers want their first-round pick to come in slightly less than Manning. Condon will have a Friday meeting with the team before leaving town, but it's going to be hard to change the position. That gives Aaron Rodgers, who appears willing to accept the 49ers' philisophy, the best shot at going No. 1. Michigan receiver Braylon Edwards would come in for much less than both quarterbacks.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Trade?
Apr. 15 - The Bucs are operating as though they have a chance to get Utah quarterback Alex Smith if he drops to the second pick, according to John Clayton. The debate is whether to give up a second-round choice to move up from No. 5 to No. 2. Smith is the quarterback the Bucs want after seeing him work out last week. The Dolphins are studying him to be the No. 2 pick if they don't trade out. The Dolphins want draft choices. They can get one in the Patrick Surtain deal with the Chiefs, but they should get a better draft choice from the Bucs.
The second aspect to the Bucs' move to possibly get Smith is what they are doing at running back. The Bucs contacted the Bills about acquiring halfback Travis Henry. The Bucs might be willing to come up with the right player – not a draft choice – that would entice the Bills to make a trade. If the Bucs could acquire Alex Smith and Henry in two separate trades, they certainly would be big winners in this draft.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Cadillac Williams
RB, Auburn
Bears
Vikings
Apr. 15 - Bears coach Lovie Smith, offensive coordinator Ron Turner and general manger Jerry Angelo flew to Auburn to work out Williams Thursday. The interesting part of the workout is that Ronnie Brown was on campus and the Bears didn't ask to see him, although he did drop over to say hello. Williams worked mostly on catching the ball, which he did very well during the workout, reports John Clayton. The Bears are taking either a wide receiver or running back with the No. 4 selection in the first round.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Maurice Clarett
RB, Ohio State
Raiders?
Apr. 15 - According to John Clayton, there appears to be some sixth-round interest in Clarett following his workout a couple weeks ago. The Raiders might be a team that would consider him, and he is hearing from other coaches who are interested. Clarett has repaired the damage from the NFL combine, where he quit working out after getting bad times in the 40-yard dash. Though his dream of being a first-day choice may have vanished, Clarett looks as though he will be drafted.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Mark Clayton
WR, Oklahoma
?
Apr. 15 - Clayton is hearing he should be in the top 20, but he's a little surprised he isn't hearing his name a little higher. He's done everything perfect this offseason. His workouts were good. He had the best Senior Bowl among the offensive players. He's a complete receiver from a winning team.
With so many offensive linemen and defensive linemen expected to go between 10 and 20 in the first round, it's pushed Clayton down a little lower than expected. Clayton is expected to be the fourth receiver taken after Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams and Troy Williamson.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Ron Fields
DE, Mississippi State
?
Apr. 15 - One player who could get evaluated more closely as a result of Luis Castillo's positive steroid test is Fields, who is considered one of the better pure nose tackles in the draft, says John Clayton. Castillo is considered the best potential nose guard in the draft, but Fields isn'tt too far behind. If Fields could slip ahead of Castillo, it could jump him into the second round.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Aaron Rodgers
QB, Cal
49ers
Apr. 14 - Odds of Rodgers going No. 1 shot to maybe as high as 90 percent following Wednesday's negotiating session between the 49ers and Rodger's agent, Mike Sullivan, reports John Clayton. The 49ers started getting word out that they left the meeting feeling as though they could get a deal well before the draft.
On Thursday, Tom Condon, agent for Utah quarterback Alex Smith, flies to San Francisco to have his first negotiating session. The 49ers would like to have the first pick signed by early next week. This is a three-way race among Rodgers, Smith and Michigan receiver Braylon Edwards, but Rodgers has jumped into a big lead.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
No. 2 pick
Apr. 14 - The Dolphins appear to be getting serious about trading with the Bucs down to the No. 5 pick, according to John Clayton. If the Dolphins stay at No. 2, they might take Auburn halfback Ronnie Brown, but they are excited to know they could have a trading partner with the Bucs.
The problem is going to be price. It's not certain that the Bucs would give Miami a second-round pick. It might be hard for the Dolphins to settle for a third-rounder moving down three spots. Quarterback Alex Smith might be a candidate if they stay at No. 2.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Cedric Benson
RB, Texas
Bears
Cardinals
Texans
Apr. 14 - Benson accepted an invite to attend the draft, even though he's not sure if he's the first, second or third running back off the board. The NFL likes to make sure invited players don't slip too far, and it's starting to look like Benson will be picked after Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams.
Brown is already set to go to New York, but Cadillac is not scheduled to be there. If the Bucs don't take a running back at No. 5, one of the backs will likely fall to the Texans at No. 13.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Frank Gore
RB, Miami
Eagles
Bucs
Jaguars
Cardinals
Apr. 14 - With the tailback class unsettled after the so-called "Big Three" in the first round, teams are beginning to take a much harder look at the former Hurricanes star as a possible second-rounder, according to ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli. Gore seems whole again after two knee surgeries, has worked hard to lose the weight he gained earlier this spring, and has rehabilitated himself nicely in the eyes of scouts. He is a terrific pure runner with great vision and balance and has regained some of his spring.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Matt Roth
DE, Iowa
Colts
Steelers
Chargers
Apr. 14 - Several teams, most recently the Colts, have had Roth in for private workouts and he has improved his times in several drills. Always known for his big motor, Roth has demonstrated better quickness off the ball in recent weeks, says Len Pasquarelli. He will be a good fit in a one-gap defense, like the Colts play, and a few 3-4 teams feel he might be able to stand up and play linebacker in some situations.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Anttaj Hawthorne
DT, Wisconsin
?
Apr. 14 - The Thursday confirmations that the former Badgers star was one of four prospects who tested positive for marijuana at the combine two months ago won't help his already-flagging stock. Hawthorne was viewed only a few months ago as the top tackle prospect in the draft. Now he's just about fallen off the radar screen for some teams and might have dropped to the third round.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Thomas Davis
S, Georgia
Bengals
Apr. 14 - Don't buy into the rumors coach Marvin Lewis will take the best defensive tackle available to him to help solve his team's problems against the run. Len Pasquarelli is hearing the Bengals aren't in love with any of the tackle prospects and Lewis wouldn't mind getting a real thumper at safety, a guy who could play down in the box, as part of the remedy to his porous run defense. Like most teams, the Bengals are dubious about Davis' range in pass coverage, but like his toughness and athleticism enough to seriously consider him.
PLAYER WHAT THE SKINNY
Richie Incognito
C/OT, Nebraska
Knee
Apr. 14 - During a recent workout, the versatile Incognito re-injured the knee that he originally sprained during the combine sessions. There is no structural damage but, given the two sprains in such a short stretch, any team that chooses Incognito may have to be very cautious with him. There are a few teams that feel he might not be cleared to go full-out until training camp. Even with that, scouts love his toughness and a few general managers feel he can move outside and play at tackle.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Fabian Washington
CB, Nebraska
Rams
Chiefs?
Broncos?
Jaguars?
Apr. 14 - He's getting around the country fast because he is so fast. His 4.29 40-yard dash has everyone buzzing and could have shot his stock into the first round, says John Clayton. Washington might be the rawest of the top cornerbacks, but he's fast and still developing.
Once Friday comes, he will have spent almost two weeks on the road visiting teams. He was happy to hear teams such as the Chiefs, Jaguars and Broncos are looking seriously at drafting a corner in the first round. The Rams called and scheduled him for a visit and may consider him in the first round if they can't get the players they are targeting.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Eric Shelton
RB, Louisville
?
Apr. 14 - Shelton received very favorable responses from teams that received an erroneous background check that said he was convicted of aggravated assault in 1999 and had a marijuana possession charge in 2001, reports John Clayton. The company, Infomart, faxed retractions to the 18 teams it services. As it turned out, the teams he visited questioned the report because he came across as a good kid. Now, the issue is behind him and his background is clean.
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Luis Castillo
DT, Northwestern
?
Apr. 14 - It was going to be a longshot for Castillo to slip into the first round, although a couple teams at the bottom of the first were looking at him. He handled his steroid suspension correctly by sending a letter to 32 teams explaining he was trying to speed the recovery of an elbow injury.
The only problem for him is teams might reevaluate his incredible combine workout. Weighing 303 pounds, Castillo ran a 4.79 40-yard dash and had a 34½ inch vertical jump. Because he was on steroids, teams could adjust those numbers slightly and take him in the second round.
TheManeMan
04-17-2005, 09:28 PM
Ronnie Brown
RB, Auburn
Dolphins
Browns
Apr. 17 - According to the San Diego Union Tribune, Ronnie Brown likely will be the first running back taken in the draft. Scouts believe Brown's versatility is what separates him from other backs in this class. Auburn used him as a blocker at fullback, as a receiver in the slot, and as a ball carrier at tailback.
"If I was a GM and I was building a team to win the Super Bowl next year, I'd take [Carnell] Williams," a respected running backs coach told the newspaper. "But if I had a three-year plan, I'd take Brown. He's bigger and stronger and can catch the ball. He didn't have the yards running, but that had a lot to do with a lack of opportunities. I think he's going to be a better runner in the long run."
Since the NFL combine, Brown has been projected to go to the Dolphins with the No. 2 overall pick. However, things are getting interesting, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports. There is a push from the coaching staff to look at one of the top quarterbacks, Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers.
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Apr. 17 - The Steelers need depth everywhere and might even find a starter in the draft if that player happens to be a speedy receiver or a right tackle, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports.
While the Steelers have few holes in their lineup – even though they lost several starters to free agency – unless they find some depth they might not be able to withstand a large amount of injuries, something they did last season and still won their division.
"We have a good team but it's a team we can still add to and improve," director of football operations Kevin Colbert told the newspaper. "That's really our whole outlook. Chances are, kids from this draft will upgrade our team. Where, I don't know."
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Apr. 17 - According to the Chicago Tribune, it will be a surprise if Bears GM Jerry Angelo doesn't go for one of the team's two biggest needs – wide receiver or running back – with the fourth selection in the draft.
San Francisco has Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards under consideration for its No. 1 overall pick, but the Bears might prefer USC's Mike Williams anyway.
Auburn's Ronnie Brown, who emerged as the top running back prospect, could go to Miami (No. 2) or Cleveland (No. 3). The next best running backs are believed to be Texas' Cedric Benson and Brown's college teammate, Carnell "Cadillac" Williams.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Apr. 17 - For the third year in a row, the Bengals are expected to take an offensive player with their top pick in the draft, the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. The Bengals' 17th overall pick in the first round could be used on offensive tackles Alex Barron of Florida State or Jammal Brown of Oklahoma; tight end Heath Miller of Virginia; or a wide receiver like Oklahoma's Mark Clayton or South Carolina's Troy Williamson.
"We need to score more touchdowns," coach Marvin Lewis told the newspaper.
The Bengals also might trade down from No. 17 in order to acquire more picks later on. "Not every player at every position fits what we're looking for," said Lewis. "We're trying to hone in on who makes us better and for a long time. We've got guys here for two, three, four, five years. We're not graduating guys. We can look long range."
Rascal
04-17-2005, 10:30 PM
Fabian Washington in the first? Yuck.
Atlas
04-17-2005, 11:10 PM
Fabian Washington in the first? Yuck.
He has been moving up the boards since the combine.
wabbit
04-17-2005, 11:30 PM
...and is listed prominantly on the Bronco big board among the top CBs being considered for this draft
..along with Antrel Rolle (fat chance), Carlos Rogers (definate maybe), Justin Miller, Corey Webster of LSU, Marlin Jackson of Michigan (has a yellow tag...the others are white), Fabian Washington of Nebraska & Antonio Perkins (Oklahoma I think...not sure)
There were others not yet up, but those were the ones I saw
I was looking for Oregon State's Brandon Browner since Shanahan really likes those big tall types, but he wasn't there...maybe just not listed yet
SoCalBronco
04-17-2005, 11:33 PM
...and is listed prominantly on the Bronco big board among the top CBs being considered for this draft
..along with Antrel Rolle (fat chance), Carlos Rogers (definate maybe), Justin Miller, Corey Webster of LSU, Marlin Jackson of Michigan (has a yellow tag...the others are white), Fabian Washington of Nebraska & Antonio Perkins (Oklahoma I think...not sure)
There were others not yet up, but those were the ones I saw
I was looking for Oregon State's Brandon Browner since Shanahan really likes those big tall types, but he wasn't there...maybe just not listed yet
ugh!~ God this is going to be one depressing first round. Ill hurl if its a corner...except for Rolle ofcourse :homer: who would be a great cover safety.
No more damn high round corners Shanny!!!
wabbit
04-17-2005, 11:40 PM
I'm with you SoCal...but it's starting to look a lot like...Corner
Atlas
04-17-2005, 11:45 PM
I'm with you SoCal...but it's starting to look a lot like...Corner
Yeah Baby!!!!!! http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/clem/galleries/m-footbl/2003/duke/16-lg.jpg
SoCalBronco
04-17-2005, 11:46 PM
I'm with you SoCal...but it's starting to look a lot like...Corner
Damn. Oh well, if it is going to be corner at no. 25, we might as well go with Atlas's boy, Justin Miller if he is still there. Apparently somewhat underrated with good skills, he is also a dynamic returner. I really really hate corner at 25, but if we are going to go there, Miller adds the most value to the team so far as coverage plus return abilities. Shanny is really going to have to really impress me with 2, 3a and 3b if i am going to feel good after Day 1 if we go with a corner that high with all our other needs.
SoCalBronco
04-17-2005, 11:47 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1113797601
Ok, im feeling better now.
Atlas
04-17-2005, 11:48 PM
Damn. Oh well, if it is going to be corner at no. 25, we might as well go with Atlas's boy, Justin Miller if he is still there. Apparently somewhat underrated with good skills, he is also a dynamic returner. I really really hate corner at 25, but if we are going to go there, Miller adds the most value to the team so far as coverage plus return abilities. Shanny is really going to have to really impress me with 2, 3a and 3b if i am going to feel good after Day 1 if we go with a corner that high with all our other needs.
Everything is going to be alright :twokisses
watermock
04-17-2005, 11:54 PM
Sounds like the Wabbit has been sneaking around the War Room while backs are turned.
While Fabio's straight line speed is impressive, he's got serious problems including the fact he's a cornhusker.
This draft is deep at corner, but I want one with at least a decorum of kickass. IMO, the day of the Safety has come and gone. I'm totally sold on physical corners you can slowly put to pasture as they age.
I would love to get Rolle and put him in as a cover safety.
Honestly, I think we are looking at a nightmare if Lynch is expected to shut the door when there are freaks like Moss and LT2 bouncing around our neighborhood. I like King Carlos if he's hanging around close to 25.
At least we got a third for Berry. I'm still livid we didn't re-up that guy when we had the chance. How Denver can pull treasure off the scrap heap like Berry, Droughns and Predator, with a few more projects like Warren, Brown and even Ron Dayne, it's amazing that we continue to pick crap in the middle rounds. At least this year, we won't have to do much on the second day. I still can't figure out the Darius Watts pick in the second round last year. Don't we allready have a skinny WR?
Clockwork Orange
04-18-2005, 03:39 AM
If we go corner in round 1, it's got to be Justin Miller. Rolle would be ideal, but that's a pipe dream at best.
We've been talking for some time now about needing playmakers on defense and a serious upgrade on special teams. Miller is both.
I'm not wild about the idea of a corner in round 1 either, but if that's the way they're heading, Miller looks like the best bet.
Hercules Rockefeller
04-18-2005, 03:59 AM
He has been moving up the boards since the combine.
Yeah, because he ran a 4.29 at the Combine. That's who Denver should draft in the 1st, someone who was a late 2nd at best pre-Combine because he ran real fast in front the scouts in Indy.
Hercules Rockefeller
04-18-2005, 04:01 AM
ugh!~ God this is going to be one depressing first round. Ill hurl if its a corner...
My fist is probably going through the closest object if they take a corner. I'll just make sure I'm not within striking distance of my TV or computer monitor.
Denver will take Baas the O lineman with 25 if they stay there and he is available.
Remember I picked Lelie, Foster and DJ Williams right. :)
Clockwork Orange
04-18-2005, 04:56 AM
Denver will take Baas the O lineman with 25 if they stay there and he is available.
Remember I picked Lelie, Foster and DJ Williams right. :)
I really, really hope you're right again.
We've got a shot at the best player at his position in the draft, a position that will be a need shortly. Baas gets a year to learn the system, Nalen departs, Hamilton moves to center, Baas slides in at guard.
It makes too much sense, thus it probably won't happen.
I really, really hope you're right again.
We've got a shot at the best player at his position in the draft, a position that will be a need shortly. Baas gets a year to learn the system, Nalen departs, Hamilton moves to center, Baas slides in at guard.
It makes too much sense, thus it probably won't happen.
If Shanny feels like gambling we could even trade down and still get him.
Clockwork Orange
04-18-2005, 05:13 AM
If Shanny feels like gambling we could even trade down and still get him.
I like that idea even better. But in order to trade down, you have to have someone who wants to move up.
Matt Jones may be the answer to our prayers. Some team selecting below us may be head over heels for him and get afraid that someone's gonna snatch him up.
Either that or someone slips (like Kenechi Udeze last year), other teams can't believe he's still there and start clamoring to move up enough to grab him.
Move down a few spots, pick up an extra 3rd rounder, draft Baas. Now that's a plan. :thumbsup:
bloodsunday
04-18-2005, 06:06 AM
Justin Miller, Corey Webster of LSU, Marlin Jackson of Michigan (has a yellow tag...the others are white), Fabian Washington of Nebraska & Antonio Perkins (Oklahoma I think...not sure)
I'd rather take Matt Jones than any of these guys. Let's not start another Matt Jones thread :), I'm just saying that I am not sold on picking a CB that has question marks. There is such a big drop off after the top 3 that I'd rather get a value pick in the 2nd or 3rd round.
There is a puncher's chance that Carlos Rogers falls to us, and I'd be okay with that. Otherwise, let's pass on the 1st round DB.
bloodsunday
04-18-2005, 06:09 AM
Matt Jones may be the answer to our prayers. Some team selecting below us may be head over heels for him and get afraid that someone's gonna snatch him up.
Green Bay could be another partner. If they hear that a QB like Frye or Campbell might be gone by #51, they could get nervous and make a deal. There is another thread on this so I won't go into detail, but it wouldn't suprise me if they have interest in the #25 to get a defender and future QB in round 1.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=25059&page=1&pp=25
Rascal
04-18-2005, 07:13 AM
You can forget about trading with Greenbay. They need to find at least 2-3 starters out of the draft this year. They need a safety, defensive end, some linebackers, Farve's replacement, and OL depth. Not to mention both Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport are both FA's next year.
They need the 51 and 57 or whatever it is to get current starters not Farve's backup.
I expect them to get Baas at 51 if he still available. I think they will pick the best safety or defensive end in round 1. If they go Baas at round 1 then I think they will pick Bullocks at 51.
bloodsunday
04-18-2005, 07:16 AM
You can forget about trading with Greenbay. They need to find at least 2-3 starters out of the draft this year.
Exactly, with the #24 and #25, they could get two starters. They appear desperate to get a replacement for Favre so they may make this move just out of desperation if they don't think Frye or Campbell will last to #51.
I'm not saying it happens, I don't even know if its probable. I am just throwing a dart. I could make sense depending on how the first round unfolds and how the paranoia makes a team feel.
Rascal
04-18-2005, 07:18 AM
But is the 51st high enough to make up for the trade? We would probably need a third in addition to a 2006 first rounder.
The give us the 51st, the 89th, and next years first and I would jump on it.
bloodsunday
04-18-2005, 07:20 AM
Read the other thread to get all the info. They have the #51 and #58 picks. Based on the Gil Brandt's pick value chart, our #25 for #51 and #58 adds up to equal value.
Rascal
04-18-2005, 07:23 AM
I know both 51 and 58 are enough, but I doubt they will want to give up both with as many holes as they have. Plus I would rather get one second and first in next years draft anyway.
bloodsunday
04-18-2005, 07:30 AM
I know both 51 and 58 are enough, but I doubt they will want to give up both with as many holes as they have. Plus I would rather get one second and first in next years draft anyway.
Well if they want the 25, they would have to be willing to give up both, under that scenario. It is possible to go 1 #2 and next year's #1 as well. I'd prefer to go with a team that has a higher #2 if that's the case (I don't want to wait until #51 to make a pick), but that's me.
TheManeMan
04-18-2005, 09:56 PM
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Moving up
?
Apr. 18 - There were rumors over the weekend that the Vikings, who hold the seventh and 18th slots in the first round, were dangling those picks to San Francisco in an effort to acquire the draft's top pick. Minnesota officials declined to discuss those rumors. ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli is hearing that Minnesota was trying to move up, but not necessarily into the No. 1 spot. The rumblings were that the Vikings were shooting for a top-five pick, perhaps the second (Miami) or third (Cleveland) choice overall, to ensure landing one of the premier wide receiver prospects.
The feeling is that the Minnesota brass prefers Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards over Mike Williams of Southern California. A deal-up with either the Dolphins or Browns might make more sense. According to the points system that most teams use, and which assigns a value to every pick in the draft, Minnesota doesn't have enough ammunition, at least not with its two first-round choices, to land the top pick.
The seventh pick in the draft is worth 1,500 points and the 18th spot carries a value of 800 points. That's 2,400 total points. The top choice is valued at 3,000 points. So, if Minnesota and San Francisco were to swap, the deal would have to be sweetened. On the other hand, the Miami pick, second overall, is worth 2,600 points. The third pick, held by the Browns, is worth 2,200 points. So a trade with those teams is certainly possible.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Alex Smith
QB, Utah
49ers
Bucs
Apr. 18 - Continued contract talks with the 49ers haven't changed Smith's philosophy, reports John Clayton. Smith wants the traditional increase from the No. 1 contract given last year to Eli Manning (six years, $45 million including $20 million in guarantees). The 49ers believe the Manning contract was too good and want the deal to be under Manning's.
Tuesday or Wednesday will be decision time. 49ers coach Mike Nolan insists he will take the best player regardless of a contract. Smith's agent, Tom Condon, will review the numbers and come back with a counter proposal today, but if no deal is reached by Tuesday or Wednesday, the 49ers face a decision. Do they draft him without a contract and face a potential holdout or do they move on to Aaron Rodgers or other players in the draft?
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Braylon Edwards
WR, Michigan
49ers
Apr. 18 - Today will be the first time the 49ers will spend a lot of time testing out the signing ability of Edwards, reports John Clayton. Extensive talks should take place. The 49ers are also talking to Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Trade
Apr. 18 - Joe Gibbs would like to add another threat on offense. Troy Williamson of South Carolina would be a nice fit with the No. 9 pick, but Gibbs is also concerned about keeping defensive coordinator Gregg Williams equipped. Remember, the Redskins lost cornerback Fred Smoot and middle linebacker Antonio Pierce.
One option being proposed by the Raiders is gaining some interest, according to John Clayton. The Raiders are willing to trade cornerback Phillip Buchanon, an former first-round choice. Buchanon would cost a draft choice and maybe a player, but that trade would give the Redskins the flexibility to take an offensive player at No. 9 or trade down a little in the first round and get an offensive player.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Matt Jones
WR, Arkansas
Eagles
Steelers
Bucs
Apr. 18 - It appears increasingly likely that the former Razorbacks quarterback will be chosen in the first round, says Len Pasquarelli, and that it might be one of the Keystone State teams that grabs a player who is arguably the most intriguing prospect in the draft. Philadelphia conducted a stealthy personal workout with Jones late last week, with the team's offensive brain trust auditioning him. There are even rumors the Eagles brought along one of their backup quarterbacks to throw to Jones. The Eagles feel that Jones can play either wide receiver or tight end and that he would provide insurance in the event Terrell Owens is a training camp holdout.
Pittsburgh is seeking a replacement for the departed Plaxico Burress. Jones could offer a the Steelers a player with similar physical dimensions to Burress and even more straight-line speed. Pittsburgh, of course, has had a terrific track record in converting former college quarterbacks, such as Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle El, into excellent wide receivers. The Bucs love Jones but will only get a shot at him if he falls to the second round because Tampa Bay will not use the fifth overall choice in the draft on him.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
No. 31 pick
Apr. 18 - Although most prognosticators are penciling in a wide receiver (maybe Matt Jones) because of the potential holdout of Terrell Owens and the likely release or trade of Freddie Mitchell, receiver might not be the Eagles' first choice, according to John Clayton.
Don't be surprised if the Eagles draft an offensive tackle. Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan are in their 30s. Both have injury concerns from their long tenure in the league. Though the Eagles used a first-round pick on Shawn Andrews last year and played him at guard, they need more help along the offensive line.
PLAYER WHAT THE SKINNY
Marcus Spears
DE, LSU
Cowboys
Chiefs
Chargers
Ravens
Apr. 18 - Not the flashiest end in the draft, because he isn't a pure, upfield pass rusher, but arguably the steadiest "edge" defender in the talent pool. Isn't a "tweener" like some of the prospects at end, plays the run tough, and is nearly recovered now from offseason knee surgery. Another guy moving up the board and there are a ton of teams, especially in the middle portion of the first round, that need help at end.
PLAYER WHAT THE SKINNY
Corey Webster
CB, LSU
Rising
Apr. 18 - Had he skipped his senior season and entered the 2004 draft, Webster almost certainly would have been a first-round pick. Surgery last summer, and nagging injuries during the '04 campaign, clearly cost him some status in this year's draft. But the stock of the talented corner, who possesses a nice mix of both size and speed, is back on the upswing again. reports Len Pasquarelli.
There is a chance, depending on how many cornerbacks go off the board early in top part of the opening stanza, that Webster could sneak into the first round. At this point, he looks like no worse than a second-round pick. Remember, this is a guy who is more talented than former teammate Randall Gay, who started for the Patriots in the Super Bowl last year.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Fabian Washington
CB, Nebraska
Jets
Patriots
Colts
Apr. 18 - The Jets, in particular, have a growing interest in the Cornhuskers speedster, who has run 40 times in under 4.3 and who will definitely benefit from the anticipated run on cornerbacks in the top part of the first round, according to Len Paquarelli. Starter Donnie Abraham is seriously contemplating retirement and, even if the Jets sign free agent Andre Dyson (Tennessee), who visited with New York officials over the weekend, they still want to get younger at cornerback. The Pats visited with Washington a few weeks ago and, while more likely to go for a combination-type defensive back, such as Michigan's Marlin Jackson, are said to be infatuated by his blistering speed.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Carlos Rogers
CB, Auburn
Redskins
Apr. 18 - Most mock drafts have Antrel Rolle or Adam "Pac Man" Jones going as the first two cornerbacks, but don't underestimate the value of Rogers, says John Clayton. A couple teams in the top 10 have him as their No. 1 cornerback, which could put him in the top 10 if the right teams are in position to draft a corner.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Jammal Brown
OT, Oklahoma
Steelers
Rams
Apr. 18 - It's widely held that Brown is the premier strongside tackle in this draft and both teams have a need at the position. Even if his back miraculously heals, there is no way Kyle Turley is returning to St. Louis, and he probably will be released as a June 1 cap casualty.
Pittsburgh lost starter Oliver Ross to Arizona in free agency and for now, second-year veteran Max Starks, a third-round choice in 2004 who played sparingly as a rookie, is penciled in as the starter. According to Len Pasquarelli, some Steelers aides aren't as enamored of Starks as is head coach Bill Cowher. Pittsburgh can afford to go a lot of ways with its first choice and the Steelers have never been shy about investing a No. 1 choice on an offensive lineman. Browns is steadily rising up draft boards.
Arkie
04-18-2005, 10:17 PM
Matt Jones may be the answer to our prayers. Some team selecting below us may be head over heels for him and get afraid that someone's gonna snatch him up.
Move down a few spots, pick up an extra 3rd rounder, draft Baas. Now that's a plan. :thumbsup:
According to "THE SKINNY," the Eagles, Steelers, and Bucs are interested.
Philadelphia conducted a stealthy personal workout with Jones late last week, with the team's offensive brain trust auditioning him. There are even rumors the Eagles brought along one of their backup quarterbacks to throw to Jones. The Eagles feel that Jones can play either wide receiver or tight end and that he would provide insurance in the event Terrell Owens is a training camp holdout.
Pittsburgh, of course, has had a terrific track record in converting former college quarterbacks, such as Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle El, into excellent wide receivers.
The Bucs love Jones but will only get a shot at him if he falls to the second round because Tampa Bay will not use the fifth overall choice in the draft on him.
Denver is 5 spots ahead of Pittsburgh, 6 spots ahead of Philadelphia, and 11 spots ahead of Tampa Bay.
Fifteen years from now, we will be like, "Remember when we had the chance to draft Matt Jones, but we traded our pick to Philly?"
Atlas
04-18-2005, 10:43 PM
Yeah, because he ran a 4.29 at the Combine. That's who Denver should draft in the 1st, someone who was a late 2nd at best pre-Combine because he ran real fast in front the scouts in Indy.
Hopefully he'll be gone by the time Denver selects. I have no trust in him whatsoever
Atlas
04-18-2005, 10:45 PM
Denver will take Baas the O lineman with 25 if they stay there and he is available.
Remember I picked Lelie, Foster and DJ Williams right. :)
That's amazing. I picked Lelie NO way in hell did I see Foster.
Mr. Trout
04-19-2005, 12:17 AM
ugh!~ God this is going to be one depressing first round. Ill hurl if its a corner...except for Rolle ofcourse :homer: who would be a great cover safety.
No more damn high round corners Shanny!!!
You can't blame shanny for picking corners because it seems we always need them... A lot of teams bust...especially picking in the twentys....a corner would not be a bad choice...I just hope they take somebody who can have a good or adequate rookie season and eventually start. Justin Miller has a lot of tools even though he was supposedly arrested
Mr. Trout
04-19-2005, 12:23 AM
Sounds like the Wabbit has been sneaking around the War Room while backs are turned.
While Fabio's straight line speed is impressive, he's got serious problems including the fact he's a cornhusker.
This draft is deep at corner, but I want one with at least a decorum of kickass. IMO, the day of the Safety has come and gone. I'm totally sold on physical corners you can slowly put to pasture as they age.
I would love to get Rolle and put him in as a cover safety.
Honestly, I think we are looking at a nightmare if Lynch is expected to shut the door when there are freaks like Moss and LT2 bouncing around our neighborhood. I like King Carlos if he's hanging around close to 25.
At least we got a third for Berry. I'm still livid we didn't re-up that guy when we had the chance. How Denver can pull treasure off the scrap heap like Berry, Droughns and Predator, with a few more projects like Warren, Brown and even Ron Dayne, it's amazing that we continue to pick crap in the middle rounds. At least this year, we won't have to do much on the second day. I still can't figure out the Darius Watts pick in the second round last year. Don't we allready have a skinny WR?
Could you please explain why you would want to move Rolle to a cover safety. He has obviously excelled at corner which is a more important position. He will not be available when we pick anyway. You leave talented athletes at the position at which they excel.
Mr. Trout
04-19-2005, 12:25 AM
I do agree with you that we need an impact player in round one. I have always thought that a first rounder should have the chance to start in their rookie year or at least be starting at the beginning of their second year.
TheManeMan
04-19-2005, 01:03 PM
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Alex Smith
QB, Utah
49ers
Bucs
Apr. 19 - The 49ers appear to want Smith, but the latest development is that the No. 1 pick is up for auction, reports ESPN.com's John Clayton. With no deal in sight for Smith after four days of negotiations, Niners coach Mike Nolan has contacted the nine teams below him and is trying to see if he can get the right trade.
His strategy is simple. For days, he's been hearing about teams interested in trading for Smith or Michigan receiver Braylon Edwards. With the top pick, the 49ers control who goes where, so Nolan wants the calls to come through San Francisco.
The Bucs want Smith, but they aren't going pay a ransom to move to No. 1. The Vikings might be willing to offer their second first-round choice to move up for Edwards, but they might want a good draft choice in return from the 49ers.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Aaron Rodgers
QB, Cal
?
Apr. 19 - Where Rodgers will fall if he's not taken No. 1 is the best question in the draft. Clearly, he won't go to Chicago at No. 4, Minnesota at No. 7, Washington at No. 9 and Detroit at No. 10 because all of those teams have quarterbacks. The Dolphins don't appear to want him at No. 2, although they would consider Alex Smith at that spot. Cleveland may also pass on him at No. 3, but he would be tempting if Smith and Braylon Edwards are gone. The Bucs at No. 5 and Titans at No. 6 might take him for value, but there is no guarantee.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
No. 3 pick
Apr. 19 - Things will get interesting if the Browns can't get quarterback Alex Smith and wide receiver Braylon Edwards. If they don't like Aaron Rodgers with the third pick, what do they do? With Lee Suggs, Reuben Droughns and William Green on the roster, it would be unlikely the Browns would take a running back, speculates John Clayton.
It might be too high for them to take wide receiver Mike Williams. Trading down would be tough because Smith and Edwards are the guys teams want to move up to acquire. Tough spot. The Browns must just have to surprise teams and take a defensive player, maybe linebacker Derrick Johnson or cornerback Adam "Pac Man" Jones.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Trade
Apr. 19 - The Broncos have made it clear they would love to bail out of the No. 25 pick. They will consider a lot of options, says John Clayton. Their preference would be getting a first-round pick in next year's draft, but they will consider moving down into the second round for a team looking at the next wave of quarterbacks (Jason Campbell of Auburn and Charlie Frye of Akron).
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Derrick Johnson
LB, Texas
49ers Apr. 19 - It's possible Johnson could end up being the first defensive player selected, or he could slip, according to John Clayton. The Browns love him, but won't take him at No. 3. One team rates him in the second round, but it prefers linebackers who take on blocks.
Johnson's game is speed and running around blockers to make plays. If you like the speed and playmaking, Johnson is the guy. Others who like their linebackers more physical in taking on linemen downgrade him.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Erasmus James
DE, Wisconsin
Lions
Apr. 19 - James is definitely on the Lions' short list of defensive players, reports John Clayton. The Lions would like to add a pass rusher after the retirement of Robert Porcher and James fits perfectly into their 4-3 scheme as an end. While most people think Derrick Johnson is the Lions' pick, James could make a late push or could go there if Johnson is off the board before the No. 10 pick.
TheManeMan
04-20-2005, 11:34 AM
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
No. 9 pick
Apr. 20 - Contrary to popular oponion, the Redskins did not acquire the No. 25 pick to free themselves up to take wide receiver Troy Williamson at No. 9. The move was all about cornerbacks, according to ESPN.com's John Clayton. Getting the No. 25 pick gives Joe Gibbs a chance to take an offensive player lower in the first round, possibly quarterback Jason Campbell of Auburn. At No. 9, the Redskins will concentrate on cornerbacks, specifically Carlos Rogers and Antrel Rolle.
It's not out of the question for the Redskins to trade down and get more picks. Their two first-rounders are their only selections during the first day. The Redskins need a cornerback replacement for departed Fred Smoot. If the Redskins don't like what they see at No. 9, they will trade down and take a cornerback later.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Carlos Rogers
CB, Auburn
Redskins
Titans
Cardinals
Apr. 20 - Rogers came out the big winner during all the maneuvering of Tuesday. His value is clearly in the top 10, and he has a good chance of going to Washington at No. 9, if not higher, according to John Clayton. Rogers has always been among the top-three corners, but the Redskins now have him rated ahead of Antrel Rolle of Miami and West Virginia's Adam Jones. The biggest fear for the Redskins, according to ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, is that Arizona, picking one spot ahead of them, could grab Rogers. He's also a possibility at No. 6 to Tennessee.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Jason Campbell
QB, Auburn
Redskins
Apr. 20 - It's interesting that Campbell has gotten on the Redskin's radar. Joe Gibbs has been re-tooling the Redskins' offense since last season. He didn't like the lack of big-play ability from the wide receivers, so he traded Laveranues Coles and shopped Rod Gardner in a trade. Now, he's looking to see if Campbell or maybe even Charlie Frye can be a luxury option to compare against Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell. It's not as though Gibbs has to have Campbell. He already has two quarterbacks. Getting the No. 25 pick gives him the ability to look and compare, and if he doesn't like what he sees, he can switch off and take a wide receiver.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Troy Williamson
WR, South Carolina
Texans
Vikings
Apr. 20 - After acquiring cornerback Phillip Buchanan for a second- and third-round pick, the Texans could feel better about taking a wide receiver at No. 13, and Williamson would be their dream pick. They can consider offensive linemen such as Alex Barron or Jamal Brown, and will look again at pass rushers such as Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware, speculates John Clayton, but Williamson makes sense.
The Texans have added hope of getting Williamson if the Redskins don't take a receiver at No. 9. Williamson could go at No. 7 to Minnesota, but that could be Mike Williams' spot if he's available. The nice part of Williamson going to Houston is that owner Bob McNair is a South Carolina alum.
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
Moving down?
Apr. 20 - There have been plenty of rumors this week about Minnesota moving up from its current No. 7 slot to grab one of the top wide receivers. Over the last couple days, though, the Vikings have actually begun to explore a lot more trade-down scenarios, reports Len Pasquarelli. In fact, one Vikings source said Wednesday that a move back in the draft is the more likely option.
Two more points of clarity: Despite reports to the contrary, the Vikings never contacted San Francisco about trying to acquire the top pick in the draft. It was the 49ers who initiated those talks. Also, the Vikings are steadfast in wanting to hold onto their second choice in the first round, the No. 18 spot. That was never offered to teams in any trade-up discussions.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Luis Castillo
DT, Northwestern
?
Apr. 20 - John Clayton is hearing there may be as many as five teams that have Castillo on their first-round boards, even though he tested positive for steroids at the NFL combine. What makes him unique is that he's a pure nose tackle who could be a great run-stopper in a 4-3, too. The number of teams toying with the 3-4 enhances his value. Though some teams have downgraded him, most don't think the steroid test shows some character flaw. They just think it was a mistake in the pressure to get ready for the combine with an elbow injury.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Barrett Ruud
ILB, Nebraska
Colts
Patriots
Apr. 20 - The former Cornhuskers star lacks great size, but Len Pasquarelli says that won't stop either of these two teams from considering him in the late stages of the first round. Ruud is a very active, extremely productive defender, and he fits nicely into the defensive schemes of both Indianapolis and New England. The Colts have not re-signed their starting middle linebacker, Rob Morris, and New England, even after signing veteran Monty Beisel as a free agent, is still trying to find a linebacker who has the same skills-set as Tedy Bruschi.
PLAYER WHAT THE SKINNY
Ron Fields
DE, Mississippi State
Rising
Apr. 20 - Everyone thinks that the only defensive linemen who will benefit from so many teams switching to a 3-4 front are the "tweener" guys at end or linebacker. Not true, according to Len Pasquarelli. There are teams moving to the 3-4 that are desperate for pure nose tackles, as well, and Fields is the best of the bunch. He is a 315-pounder who will clog the middle, command double-teams, eat up blockers and allow linebackers to flow to the ball. A lot of draft boards rated Fields a third-round prospect. The re-emergence of the 3-4, however, and the needs that has created, probably will get him into the second round.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Elton Brown
OG, Virginia
Steelers
Giants
Eagles
Bucs
Apr. 20 - The massive road-grader is beginning to rehabilitate himself with a lot of teams after sliding earlier in the month, according to Len Pasquarelli. All four teams listed have brought in Brown for personal visits and both the Giants and Eagles put him through workouts.
"If teams just look at the tape, they will see that I am a power-type guard who can consistently move people out of the hole," Brown told Pasquarelli. "The last three months, when I've been hurt, some things have gone wrong for me. But that doesn't erase four years of being a good player."
Brown, who was forced out of the Senior Bowl by an injury and who could not finish his "pro day" workout after he pulled up lame, may not have maneuvered himself back into the first round. But he has stopped the slide and the teams that are looking for "swing" linemen, guys who can play guard and tackle, are back onto him in a big way. At 330 pounds, he's tough to overlook.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Stanford Routt
CB,
Houston
Broncos
Apr. 20 - Routt's value has shot through the roof, according to John Clayton. He runs a 4.33 and he's visited nine teams. Don't be surprise if he somehow ends up in Denver. He has sprinter speed. He's one of the hottest prospects at cornerback in the second round.
TheManeMan
04-21-2005, 11:30 AM
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Braylon Edwards
WR, Michigan
Redskins
Apr. 21 - The newest suitor for Edwards in a trade up is the Washington Redskins. The Vikings have cooled a little on moving up from No. 7, but they will still shop until Saturday. The Redskins made several calls to teams at the top of the draft and even checked out to see Edwards interest in coming to Washington. The Redskins have No. 9 and No. 25. Though it's more likley they will end up staying at the picks, Joe Gibbs is trying to come up with a big play late.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Justin Miller
CB, Clemson
Raiders
Apr. 21 - The Raiders trade to No. 26 with the Redskins is a clear sign the Raiders are targeting cornerback Justin Miller. After trading Phillip Buchanan, the Raiders need a corner and a returner. Miller answers both questions. The problem could be if Miller goes earlier than No. 26. It's possible. The Jaguars are also looking at a cornerback. Fabian Washington might end up going No. 21, but Miller will also be considered.
WHO INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Secondary
Apr. 21 - The Jets move into the second round will give them a chance to fill out their secondary. They need a corner in the second round, but they will also heat up talks to sign veteran cornerback Andre Dyson. Stanley Wilson might be that second-round corner. The safety could end up being Josh Bullocks of Nebraska. They've been studying him closely over the past couple of months.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Troy Williamson
WR, South Carolina
Vikings
Apr. 21 - Williamson could beat out USC's Mike Williams for the precious No. 7 spot with the Minnesota Vikings. The Vikings like Williamson's speed. Though it's not a lock that they would take Williamson over Williams, it's becoming more of a possibility the closer we get to the draft.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Thomas Davis
S, Georgia
Chiefs
Saints
Rams
Apr. 21 - Add Kansas City to the growing list of teams that would consider making Thomas Davis of Georgia a linebacker. The Georgia safety is still high on the board at New Orleans for the same reasons. The Rams would like to draft him as a safety.
PLAYER INTERESTED THE SKINNY
Cedric Benson
RB, Texas
Bears
Apr. 21 - The Bears keep talking as though Benson is their choice at No. 4. The Bears brass may have the ratings of the backs different than most. It would appear Ronnie Brown might be the No. 3 back on their board behind Benson and Cadillac Williams. More teams have Brown No. 1
WHO WHAT THE SKINNY
No. 12 and No. 28 picks
Apr. 20 - Only one year removed from trading the rights to No. 1 pick Eli Manning, the San Diego Chargers are setting up scenarios to be big players in the first round again. This time they want to emerge with an offensive and a defensive player.
The team is leaning toward keeping the No. 12 pick, but is listening to offers. One team above them has made an intriguing offer, while three teams have contacted them wanting to move up.
A more likely scenario is starting to develop at No. 28. Though the other team and the player are unknown at the moment, the Chargers are considering an exchange for a veteran defensive end and a draft choice.
If the Chargers can land the defensive end and the draft choice, they can concentrate on offense with their first pick.
