Patrick Surtain to Chefs???

[WoodMan]

Cornerback Mario Edwards didn't take long to find a new NFL home. The Pascagoula native signed a contract with the Miami Dolphins, team officials announced this week. Terms were not disclosed.
Edwards is expected to fill the departure of former Southern Miss standout Patrick Suratin. THE DOLPHINS ARE WORKING OUT A DEAL FOR THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS TO ACQUIRE SURTAIN.
Edwards played last year with the Tampa Bay Bucs after spending his first four seasons with the Dallas Cowboys. He graduated from Pascagoula in 1995, and played at Florida State from 1996 - 2000.
(From the Gulfport Sun Herald.)

[RhymesayersDU]

Surtain is just a poor man's Roc Alexander.

:homer:

LOL

[WoodMan]

Looks like the Chefs have finally began to figure out that thefir defensive backfield really sucks.

[bendog]

DUELING THREADS STARTED BY THE SAME CHEF FAN!!! Ban him, TJ, ban him.

[WoodMan]

DUELING THREADS STARTED BY THE SAME CHEF FAN!!! Ban him, TJ, ban him.
Sorry man, I'm just a natural screw up, but certainly no Chefs fan.

[Dukes]

I'm all for competition in the division, but at the same time it would be nice to see a LOUSY chefs D this year!!!

[Old Dude]

I'm all for competition in the division, but at the same time it would be nice to see a LOUSY chefs D this year!!!

That's like asking the sun to rise in the east.

[NaptownChief]

Looks like the Chefs have finally began to figure out that thefir defensive backfield really sucks.


Fortunately the Chiefs realize they had one of the worst pass defenses in the league and are attempting to fix it...I am much happier with that approach than if they did something like trade for a complete D Line that finished dead last in the league against the rush. ???

[Garcia Bronco]

Chokes don't want to give up their second for him like the phins want. Chokes can't give up their 3rd...but they'll most likely part with a 4th. Phins won't do it. Chokes have a deal in place with (un)Surtain. I'll bet that he doesn't end up there...and if he does...he'll get abused...because corners don't matter anymore. And the Choke d-line is still pathetic which is where the need new players...not their secondary. But that my opinion.

[bronco militia]

Fortunately the Chiefs realize they had one of the worst pass defenses in the league and are attempting to fix it...I am much happier with that approach than if they did something like trade for a complete D Line that finished dead last in the league against the rush. ???


uh yeah...having the worst defense in the league two years running is something to hang your hat on.


It's still early and the broncos offseason moves might be desperate, but so far the chief offseason is down right puzzling.

[Tom A Hawk]

Looks like the Chefs have finally began to figure out that thefir defensive backfield really sucks.

yup, and we didn't have to give our best RB to get him

[Master___Pain]

yup, and we didn't have to give our best RB to get him

The fish did not want LJ?

[bronco militia]

The fish did not want LJ?


zing!


hehehe

[PatsWin2002]

If I had a nickel for every time I've seen this thread title on all the boards this offseason.....

I have to remember that he's not actually there yet....nor is Law. Ha!

[Tom A Hawk]

The fish did not want LJ?

They probably would like to have him, but a deal can be done without him.

I bet you wish you had a backup as good as Priest

[Traveler]

I am much happier with that approach than if they did something like trade for a complete D Line that finished dead last in the league against the rush. ???

But they didn't rank dead last in the AFC in total defense! Please tell everyone who holds that distinction please!! And the answer is.......

[NaptownChief]

It's still early and the broncos offseason moves might be desperate, but so far the chief offseason is down right puzzling.


What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...Sounds like a team trying make a substantial upgrade to a very poor defense to me, not puzzling at all....Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.

[Master___Pain]

They probably would like to have him, but a deal can be done without him.

I bet you wish you had a backup as good as Priest

The Preist of seasons past, yes!

[Tom A Hawk]

What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...Sounds like a team trying make a substantial upgrade to a very poor defense to me, not puzzling at all....Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.

especially when you already have a "shut down" corner (however he did get owned by Kennison), you would think a shut down d line would be next.

[Tom A Hawk]

The Preist of seasons past, yes!

still better than anyone you have at RB today

[Saulbadguy]

Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.
Unless you are a Broncos fan.

Sounds like Taco has done some high quality spinning as of late.

[bloodsunday]

What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...
Sounds like you're wearing red and yellow glasses. These guys are upgrades for you, but they carry baggage as well. Bell is a head case, failed a physical with the Giants, and was just about kicked out of Pittsburgh. Don't act like you just picked up Ray Lewis. Knight is good, but nothing special. The Surtain deal isn't done yet and KC will probably give up more than they care to in order to get him (2nd rounder and a contract extension). And Hall is not even good enough to have been traded from Cleveland to Denver.

[bloodsunday]

still better than anyone you have at RB today
I disagree. Our backs are healthy. Do you think its Priest or the O-line? I recall LJ and Blaylock running wild after Priest went down.

[bronco militia]

What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...Sounds like a team trying make a substantial upgrade to a very poor defense to me, not puzzling at all....Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.

you call those moves substantial? Granted neither have the broncos, but come on... bwahahaha...

anyway, it's still early.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I bet you wish you had a backup as good as Priest

When your backup FB gains 1240 in a dozen starts, it's probably not going to be that hard to find a similar level of production from someone else.

[NaptownChief]

you call those moves substantial? Granted neither have the broncos, but come on... bwahahaha...

anyway, it's still early.


Just the top safety on the free agent market and the top LB(granted an injury risk but still the top talent) on the market...I realize it isn't as sexy as getting two of the biggest draft bust in the last 5 years but I will have to live with that.

[bloodsunday]

Just the top safety on the free agent market and the top LB(granted an injury risk but still the top talent) on the market
That doesn't make them great players. That actually makes them candidates to be over paid. Denver has learned that lesson the hard way.

[bloodsunday]

I realize it isn't as sexy as getting two of the biggest draft bust in the last 5 years but I will have to live with that.
If we wanted the biggest draft busts, we could just raid your roster. What do you want to let go of Ryan Simms?

[bronco militia]

Just the top safety on the free agent market and the top LB(granted an injury risk but still the top talent) on the market...I realize it isn't as sexy as getting two of the biggest draft bust in the last 5 years but I will have to live with that.

Sammy Knight is an improvement....for the chiefs..

IMO, Kennoy Kennedy was about the best available, but that's not saying much when you consider what was out there after the first round of cuts.


Barb, is that you?

[FADERPROOF]

What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...Sounds like a team trying make a substantial upgrade to a very poor defense to me, not puzzling at all....Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.

Only in the eyes of Chief fans are those players TOP players in the league.

[FADERPROOF]

Just the top safety on the free agent market and the top LB(granted an injury risk but still the top talent) on the market...I realize it isn't as sexy as getting two of the biggest draft bust in the last 5 years but I will have to live with that.

Falcons were the ones that signed Ed Hartwell, Chiefs swung and missed and had to go with option #2 in Kendrell Bell.

[watermock]

It's pretty funny for Chef Fan to slam the C. Brown signing when K. Bell is also Mr. Injury.

The fact of the matter is the Chef offense is getting long in the tooth. Priest hasn't been the same since our own Poole collared him, and their WR corps is still very thin. Bringing in Knight and Surtain isn't going to shakeup the world.

Bell might wind up your best signing, if he can get healthy.

The fact of the matter is that Eddie Kennison doesn't have any more room for another team on his arm, Priest is almost done and Johnson will never be more than Ron Dayne.

Dick4Meal is going to leave after this year, and you will STILL have King Carl screwing things up. Didn't you just re-sign that idiot? Things almost came together for Kansas City a few years ago. Their window is shut.

The key this year is to get into a immobile Drew Brees.

[NaptownChief]

It's pretty funny for Chef Fan to slam the C. Brown signing when K. Bell is also Mr. Injury.



Not that funny considering Bell played at a Pro bowl level when healthy and Brown hasn't done squat healthy or not.

[Saulbadguy]

Falcons were the ones that signed Ed Hartwell, Chiefs swung and missed and had to go with option #2 in Kendrell Bell.
We were actually in negotiations with Hartwell AFTER we signed Bell.

[Saulbadguy]

Fact is, the Broncos have signed one of the worst defensive lines in the league.

Thing is though, they won't be starting. The best thing the Broncos done has signed some competition for starting spots. I wouldn't call any move the Broncos have made "substantial" thus far, except signing Ian Gold. I think he is a decent player, and can start. Otherwise, they just got a bunch of scrubs.

I wouldn't call Kendrell Bell or Sammy Knight scrubs. They aren't consistently in the pro-bowl (snicker), but they aren't the busts that Ron Dayne or Courtney Brown are.

[FADERPROOF]

Fact is, the Broncos have signed one of the worst defensive lines in the league.

Thing is though, they won't be starting. The best thing the Broncos done has signed some competition for starting spots. I wouldn't call any move the Broncos have made "substantial" thus far, except signing Ian Gold. I think he is a decent player, and can start. Otherwise, they just got a bunch of scrubs.

I wouldn't call Kendrell Bell or Sammy Knight scrubs. They aren't consistently in the pro-bowl (snicker), but they aren't the busts that Ron Dayne or Courtney Brown are.

But if you look at both of our teams last year, we dont need to make real big substantial moves, you guys do.

[FADERPROOF]

Not that funny considering Bell played at a Pro bowl level when healthy and Brown hasn't done squat healthy or not.

So thats why the Stelers said, "Let's give Larry Foote a contract extension and let Kendrell Bell walk."

Bell's stellar play on the bench, along with Larry Foote stepping up just fine led him out the door.

[Saulbadguy]

But if you look at both of our teams last year, we dont need to make real big substantial moves, you guys do.
Yup..you guys don't need anything. The Chiefs, Raiders, Colts, Falcons, and Bengals agree heartily. :)

[FADERPROOF]

Yup..you guys don't need anything. The Chiefs, Raiders, Colts, Falcons, and Bengals agree heartily. :)

Did I say anything? No, I said SUBSTANTIAL.

Kansas literacy kicks in full gear yet again.

[Saulbadguy]

Did I say anything? No, I said SUBSTANTIAL.

Kansas literacy kicks in full gear yet again.
According to the orangemane scorecard, i'd have to disagree. You guys need a pass rush. I'll also let you continue to hold your false hope in Jake Plummer.

[bloodsunday]

but they aren't the busts that Ron Dayne or Courtney Brown are.
Quit baggin' on Dayne like we are touting that as a Super Bowl making move. We signed him for the veteran minimum, about 500K. ~Popps~ It matters about as much as you signing that FB.

[FADERPROOF]

According to the orangemane scorecard, i'd have to disagree. You guys need a pass rush. I'll also let you continue to hold your false hope in Jake Plummer.

Yes we need a pass rush, , you guys need an entire defense, see the difference?

[bloodsunday]

So thats why the Stelers said, "Let's give Larry Foote a contract extension and let Kendrell Bell walk."

Bell's stellar play on the bench, along with Larry Foote stepping up just fine led him out the door.
Bell is not welcome back in Pittsburgh, not even for a hometown deal. The Steelers thought he was a cancer in the locker room and that he didn't work hard enough to get back from injury. That is a fact that any Steeler fan will attest to, I know plenty of them.

Brown may not have played in a Pro Bowl yet, but the amount of our investment in him is proportionate to that. In my evaluation, the deals offer about the same amount of risk when you consider ability, salary, and bonus. KC is out the signing bonus even if Bell never plays a game.

[Saulbadguy]

Yes we need a pass rush, , you guys need an entire defense, see the difference?
I'll take your pass rush, and raise you a QB, a RB, and a can of PAM.

MA is the only proven RB on your roster. Jake is still Jake.

[Saulbadguy]

Quit baggin' on Dayne like we are touting that as a Super Bowl making move. We signed him for the veteran minimum, about 500K. ~Popps~ It matters about as much as you signing that FB.
I said that before. None of the Broncos moves have been big, except the Ian Gold deal. I don't have much of an opinion on that, but I saw MANY Orangemaners felt they overpaid for him. The rest (Clevelands D-Line, Ron Dayne) have been basically been signing backups. Who knows, it may inspire the current players to step up, but I doubt it.

[ncjmirabile]

Considering Denver didn't invest much in the players they signed and the potential the have it is worth the risk.

[FADERPROOF]

I'll take your pass rush, and raise you a QB, a RB, and a can of PAM.

MA is the only proven RB on your roster. Jake is still Jake.

Yes Jake is still Jake, the same guy that has won 20 games in the past 2 years for us.

MA is the only proven RB on our roster, so what was TD before he proved himself? How did the unproven RB in orlandis Gary do for us when TD went down? How did the unproven Mike Anderson do when Gary went down? How did the unproven rookie Clinton Portis do for us? How did the unproven fullback Reuben Droughns do fo us?

You really don't think we'll have a running game? Tatum will be it this year, if not then someone else will be.

[Saulbadguy]

Yes Jake is still Jake, the same guy that has won 20 games in the past 2 years for us.

MA is the only proven RB on our roster, so what was TD before he proved himself? How did the unproven RB in orlandis Gary do for us when TD went down? How did the unproven Mike Anderson do when Gary went down? How did the unproven rookie Clinton Portis do for us? How did the unproven fullback Reuben Droughns do fo us?

You really don't think we'll have a running game? Tatum will be it this year, if not then someone else will be.
Your running game this year was good, but not great. In pasts years it was great, with C-Po, and TD. I suspect it will be another "good" year, but that just sets up Jake to actually have to throw the ball once in awhile. Jake "won 20 games in the past 2 years for you"..but of course he didn't do that by himself. Face it, Jake Plummer will never be a pro-bowl level QB. Perhaps if you find a great back in Tatum Bell, you won't have to ask much of Jake, and then you would be successful. Until then, i'll stick with the smart money and say he will underpeform this year, again.

[Tom A Hawk]

Yes we need a pass rush, , you guys need an entire defense, see the difference?

Just think, that shabby worn out, broken down, no good defense put the best slam on the Donks they have had in years........The O took you to the woodshed as well.

[Tom A Hawk]

Yes Jake is still Jake, the same guy that has won 20 games in the past 2 years for us.

MA is the only proven RB on our roster, so what was TD before he proved himself? How did the unproven RB in orlandis Gary do for us when TD went down? How did the unproven Mike Anderson do when Gary went down? How did the unproven rookie Clinton Portis do for us? How did the unproven fullback Reuben Droughns do fo us?

You really don't think we'll have a running game? Tatum will be it this year, if not then someone else will be.

I will ask the question asked of me about Priest..........is it the RB's, or the O line?

[bloodsunday]

MA is the only proven RB on your roster.
Well, we've proven we don't need a proven back. That part is in the bag.

[bloodsunday]

Until then, i'll stick with the smart money and say he will underpeform this year, again.
How does a 7 - 9 team with "Super Bowl" aspirations tell us about underperforming? Get serious.

[FADERPROOF]

Your running game this year was good, but not great. In pasts years it was great, with C-Po, and TD. I suspect it will be another "good" year, but that just sets up Jake to actually have to throw the ball once in awhile. Jake "won 20 games in the past 2 years for you"..but of course he didn't do that by himself. Face it, Jake Plummer will never be a pro-bowl level QB. Perhaps if you find a great back in Tatum Bell, you won't have to ask much of Jake, and then you would be successful. Until then, i'll stick with the smart money and say he will underpeform this year, again.

Face it, I never said Jake was going to be a Pro Bowl QB. He is system guy that does well with people around him, thats what I knew when we first signed him, and we're doing pretty good with him this year as well. If our offense asks him to carry us in his back, then we're in trouble, but as long as we have a good offense then I foresee him having a pretty good season.

So, if you admit that our running game was good this year, like it has been every year since 1995, then why "raise me a RB?" You're just being dumb now, it's expected now I guess since you've turned into a troll as of the past couple months, but it's fun watching your reach for this.

[FADERPROOF]

I will ask the question asked of me about Priest..........is it the RB's, or the O line?

Probably a mixture of both, but when did it matter as long as the yards are being gained?

[bloodsunday]

The rest (Clevelands D-Line, Ron Dayne) have been basically been signing backups. Who knows, it may inspire the current players to step up, but I doubt it.
At least 3 of those Cleveland "backups" will play considerably, and Brown and Warren will start. Ekuban will be a significant part of the rotation. So, I'm not sure what your talking about.

Sure these moves aren't significant in terms of investment and big $$$ names, but I can tell you that at least a few national figures believe that it was worth while. The Broncos didn't give up much and got a few guys with "home run" potential. This was also part of the "plan" as OrangeMane members like to describe it. The Broncos have taken their share of risks on players like K Bell and been burned enough to know that lower risk moves are a better option.

[Tom A Hawk]

How does a 7 - 9 team with "Super Bowl" aspirations tell us about underperforming? Get serious.

I might spin that to say, how does a team that went to the playoff get pounced by the same team two years in a row after they go out and get a shutdown corner? (which was designed to not repeat the same incident as the year before) Looks like to me, both teams underperformed to fans expectations.

[Saulbadguy]

How does a 7 - 9 team with "Super Bowl" aspirations tell us about underperforming? Get serious.
We underperformed as well last season. We are in the same bag.

[Saulbadguy]

Face it, I never said Jake was going to be a Pro Bowl QB. He is system guy that does well with people around him, thats what I knew when we first signed him, and we're doing pretty good with him this year as well. If our offense asks him to carry us in his back, then we're in trouble, but as long as we have a good offense then I foresee him having a pretty good season.

So, if you admit that our running game was good this year, like it has been every year since 1995, then why "raise me a RB?" You're just being dumb now, it's expected now I guess since you've turned into a troll as of the past couple months, but it's fun watching your reach for this.
Last year he was terrible. 20 interceptions. Spin that all you want, but he did not play well last year.

[Tom A Hawk]

Probably a mixture of both, but when did it matter as long as the yards are being gained?
:thumbsup: I am going to agree with you on that

[bloodsunday]

Your running game this year was good, but not great. In pasts years it was great, with C-Po, and TD. I suspect it will be another "good" year, but that just sets up Jake to actually have to throw the ball once in awhile.
Of course Jake will have to throw once in a while, what kind of ignorant comment is that? Every offense throws the ball, even the Ravens. Don't act like a moron if you want credibility here.

True, our running game was not as good as the past, but hey that's just by our standards. There are many teams that would take our running game over theirs. Besides, if you watched Tatum Bell play last season, he has scary potential. He is as fast as Portis, but more physical. Be afraid, be very afraid....

Hell even Q torched your S**T hole defense.

[FADERPROOF]

Last year he was terrible. 20 interceptions. Spin that all you want, but he did not play well last year.

Terrible? Tied the Broncos record for TD passes and broke the Broncos record for passing yards is a terrible year?

Yes he tossed too many INTs and we need that cut down a bit, but to say he had a terrible year is just reaching big time.

[wabbit]

Surtain will be a terrific pick-up for KC...assuming it happens, but even so, the Cheifs will learn the same lesson the Broncos did last year.

If you don't have at least one good cover Safety...at least, serviceable talent on the other side & a pass rush...the best CB in the world can't help you.

We know...we have him

[bronco militia]

Last year he was terrible. 20 interceptions. Spin that all you want, but he did not play well last year.

Jake Plummer had 20 trINT's and one fumble=21 turnovers.


trINT Green had 17 trINT's to go along with his 4 fumbles=21 turnovers...

what's your point?

oh yeah...

trINT Green sucks too

[Saulbadguy]

Jake Plummer had 20 trINT's and one fumble=21 turnovers.


trINT Green had 17 trINT's to go along with his 4 fumbles=21 turnovers...

what's your point?

oh yeah...

trINT Green sucks too
Heh. You actually want this argument? Trent Green=95.2 passer rating, Jake PlummINT=84.5 passer rating.

[royr17]

Uh oh guess time to watch you donkos, Surtain is a top 5 corner and there are reports that the Chiefs are goin after Charles Woodson too, oh wouldnt that be just sweet to get Surtain and Woodson on draft day, could you say Super Bowl here we come.

[Saulbadguy]

Surtain will be a terrific pick-up for KC...assuming it happens, but even so, the Cheifs will learn the same lesson the Broncos did last year.

If you don't have at least one good cover Safety...at least, serviceable talent on the other side & a pass rush...the best CB in the world can't help you.

We know...we have him
I agree. We need help with every defensive position. So far we've gotten it. We also need the current players to get better. Hopefully through signing some more low/middle-tier FA's, and through the draft, we can ignite a fire under some of our current players asses to get up and play.

That and a little luck. :D

We've been saying this for a few years now..if our defense could be DECENT, (top 10-20), we'd be a Super Bowl caliber team. Our offense has shown no signs of slowing down.

[Saulbadguy]

Uh oh guess time to watch you donkos, Surtain is a top 5 corner and there are reports that the Chiefs are goin after Charles Woodson too, oh wouldnt that be just sweet to get Surtain and Woodson on draft day, could you say Super Bowl here we come.
I'm going to count on Surtain being a Chief. Other than that, we could be screwed.


Woodson? No way. Like I said before, there are NO deals between Carl and Al. Nothing.

[bloodsunday]

trINT Green had 17 trINT's to go along with his 4 fumbles=21 turnovers...
Damn, that is not very good. I had no idea he turned the ball over that many times. Trent is a robot as well, Jake at least has some play making ability. Trent Green wouldn't survive a season in our offense.

But as Denver fans, we can't run from it, Jake's play must improve next season. Even Jake knows that. What's good to know is that while his stats have been pretty good, he has room to improve. That coinsides with better play from our receivers and TEs and better pass blocking as well.

[bloodsunday]

could you say Super Bowl here we come.
You said that last year. So this year are you going to improve it all the way to 8 - 8?

I would love it if you landed Woodson. He is over priced and a huge question mark in terms of character and attitude.

[Master___Pain]

Heh. You actually want this argument? Trent Green=95.2 passer rating, Jake PlummINT=84.5 passer rating.

I wonder what the passer rating difference is between 20 picks and 17? Point being the tournovers are the same and probably just as costly.

Which Qb won more games last year? I forgot.

[bendog]

Surtain will be a terrific pick-up for KC...assuming it happens, but even so, the Cheifs will learn the same lesson the Broncos did last year.

If you don't have at least one good cover Safety...at least, serviceable talent on the other side & a pass rush...the best CB in the world can't help you.

We know...we have him

Unless Sims and Salvi make KC look like Jacksonville midwest, they're done once Dec sets in. EOS.

[Saulbadguy]

Btw...:)

[bloodsunday]

We've been saying this for a few years now..if our defense could be DECENT, (top 10-20), we'd be a Super Bowl caliber team. Our offense has shown no signs of slowing down.
Well there's more to it than that. There are some good teams in the AFC. The window of opportunity is a strange thing. With new faces you have to hope for chemistry, to avoid injuries, luck in the schedule, etc.... Recent NFL history is filled with crazy examples of teams under or over performing.

Truth be told, I think your team was a little shell shocked from the Denver loss last season. Jake kept you in the game or that loss could have been 21 pts or more.

If you land a CB, then on paper the Chiefs should content for the AFC West. :woowoo: Problem is at the end of the season that paper is usually not worth wiping your butt with.

[Saulbadguy]

Which Qb won more games last year? I forgot.

I'd have to get back to you on that. Last time I heard, a team wins and loses games.

[bloodsunday]

Heh. You actually want this argument? Trent Green=95.2 passer rating, Jake PlummINT=84.5 passer rating.
Next time a W or L is assigned based on passer rating, this will matter to me. The point made is valid, both QBs turned the ball over a lot.

[bronco militia]

Damn, that is not very good. I had no idea he turned the ball over that many times. Trent is a robot as well, Jake at least has some play making ability. Trent Green wouldn't survive a season in our offense.

But as Denver fans, we can't run from it, Jake's play must improve next season. Even Jake knows that. What's good to know is that while his stats have been pretty good, he has room to improve. That coinsides with better play from our receivers and TEs and better pass blocking as well.

while trINT had just as many turnovers but a better passer rating (since when do us Donks give a **** about a passer rating after watching Elway all those years?), but Plummer threw the same amount of TD's with 63 less pass attempts.

either way, both QB's need to have better 2005's for their teams to advance.

The Chiefs need to get on the ball and maybe sacrifice the future to get this team deep in the palyoffs. The window of opportunity is closing on the chiefs faster every day with Dicky V's lame duck status.

[bloodsunday]

I'd have to get back to you on that. Last time I heard, a team wins and loses games.
How convenient.

[bloodsunday]

The window of opportunity is closing on the chiefs faster every day with Dicky V's lame duck status.
Well not only that, but their offense is aging to. On top of that, they have mortgaged themselves with some big contracts this offseason.

[bendog]

while trINT had just as many turnovers but a better passer rating (since when do us Donks give a **** about a passer rating after watching Elway all those years?), but Plummer threw the same amount of TD's with 63 less pass attempts.

either way, both QB's need to have better 2005's for their teams to advance.

The Chiefs need to get on the ball and maybe sacrifice the future to get this team deep in the palyoffs. The window of opportunity is closing on the chiefs faster every day with Dicky V's lame duck status.
It's this year or never. Roaf is 35 and shields has maybe one more. LJ is now their best back.

[royr17]

To tell you the truth I dont really want Charles Woodson and would rather have Ty Law, but it would be great if we got Surtain and Law or Surtain and Woodson, that would improve that secondary tremendously and allow Warfield to move to nickel.

[Saulbadguy]

Well there's more to it than that. There are some good teams in the AFC. The window of opportunity is a strange thing. With new faces you have to hope for chemistry, to avoid injuries, luck in the schedule, etc.... Recent NFL history is filled with crazy examples of teams under or over performing.

Truth be told, I think your team was a little shell shocked from the Denver loss last season. Jake kept you in the game or that loss could have been 21 pts or more.

If you land a CB, then on paper the Chiefs should content for the AFC West. :woowoo: Problem is at the end of the season that paper is usually not worth wiping your butt with.
Agreed 100%

What is that in your avatar?

[bloodsunday]

I might spin that to say, how does a team that went to the playoff get pounced by the same team two years in a row after they go out and get a shutdown corner? (which was designed to not repeat the same incident as the year before) Looks like to me, both teams underperformed to fans expectations.
yeah except your stupid ass fans like to block that out when you criticize us. Making the playoffs is a more successful season then not going 7 - 9. The aspirations for your team were much higher which also makes it more damaging.

[bloodsunday]

Agreed 100%

What is that in your avatar?
The Mighty Mighty Boss Tones Album Cover.

[bronco militia]

Well not only that, but their offense is aging to. On top of that, they have mortgaged themselves with some big contracts this offseason.

I don't agree....considering what happened the last two years on defense, Peterson hasn't done nearly enough.

but it's still early.

[Saulbadguy]

Next time a W or L is assigned based on passer rating, this will matter to me. The point made is valid, both QBs turned the ball over a lot.
Alright.

Both QB's have won 20 games in the last 2 seasons. I feel so dirty saying that, because its essentially MEANINGLESS.

How many games did Archie Manning lose? Was he a good QB?

[Saulbadguy]

The Mighty Mighty Boss Tones Album Cover.
Reminds me of the Gonzaga bulldog.

[Rascal]

So did they actually make the trade or is this more of the chief fans clinging to hope only to have it flip them off and kick them off the edge?

[bendog]

yeah, now IF they'd have gotten hartwell AND Bell AND okeafer AND surtain ....

but they're riding on Simms and Salvi's fat asses. Of course, we're riding on big money and the freak who can't stay healthy

[bronco militia]

Alright.

Both QB's have won 20 games in the last 2 seasons. I feel so dirty saying that, because its essentially MEANINGLESS.

How many games did Archie Manning lose? Was he a good QB?

who wants to be good when you can be great?

[bloodsunday]

To tell you the truth I dont really want Charles Woodson and would rather have Ty Law, but it would be great if we got Surtain and Law or Surtain and Woodson, that would improve that secondary tremendously and allow Warfield to move to nickel.
Man aiming for two high ticket corners is a bit much. I would say with high confidence that if you land Surtain, that will be it. The Chiefs are probably floating Woodson and Law rumors as a position to negotiate with Miami.

Do you really want $50 million tied up in a position that has been held limp by the NFL's rules?

[DBroncos4life]

Here is a thread from the haven saying the Bears maybe offering a 2nd round pick for Surtian. Sorry if this made it here already.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=73160&highlight=bears

[royr17]

Man aiming for two high ticket corners is a bit much. I would say with high confidence that if you land Surtain, that will be it. The Chiefs are probably floating Woodson and Law rumors as a position to negotiate with Miami.

Do you really want $50 million tied up in a position that has been held limp by the NFL's rules?

Ok we could get Law cause remember, the June cuts are coming up, and the chiefs are likely to cut Morton, Bartee, and possibly Woods or Wesley so that would open up cap room for Law.

[bloodsunday]

Since we're trading embarassing images...

http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img7655704.jpg

... man that was a good game. I got to witness and laugh at the hysteria first hand.

[Sarcastro]

Here is a thread from the haven saying the Bears maybe offering a 2nd round pick for Surtian. Sorry if this made it here already.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=73160&highlight=bears

It would have came out in the media by now if that had any validity to it.

[bloodsunday]

Ok we could get Law cause remember, the June cuts are coming up, and the chiefs are likely to cut Morton, Bartee, and possibly Woods or Wesley so that would open up cap room for Law.
That doesn't matter. The Chiefs FO won't go after two high priced corners. They aren't looking to become the Ravens defense, they are just trying to get better. Signing both would be too much and I guarantee it doesn't happen.

[Sarcastro]

Since we're trading embarassing images...

http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img7655704.jpg

... man that was a good game. I got to witness and laugh at the hysteria first hand.

I have always wondered, was that more embarassing for you guys or for us? Did Larry get a medal after blowing you guys for 150 yards last year, or was it Kennison that got the medal? Maybe it was our defense that got a belt for sacking Plummer six times. Could it have been McCleon for intercepting the Snake twice? We are not that wealthy of team. I don't know if we had enough belts to go around after the 45-17 victory.

[DBroncos4life]

It would have came out in the media by now if that had any validity to it.



That maybe true but I would be shocked if teams don't start throwing 3rd rounders at him soon.

[Sarcastro]

That doesn't matter. The Chiefs FO won't go after two high priced corners. They aren't looking to become the Ravens defense, they are just trying to get better. Signing both would be too much and I guarantee it doesn't happen.

Something I found odd was in the Foxsports article on the Carlos Hall trade they said we were still shopping to trade for a another DE. The only two I can think of are Howard and Pryce, and Pryce looks to be just about a one in a million shot. Furthermore, you would have to think the Chiefs couldn't afford to sign more then one more high priced FA.

[bloodsunday]

I have always wondered, was that more embarassing for you guys or for us?
Nice try. You got a can of WHOOP ASS put on you that day. That is about as bad as it gets -- 5 TDS, 220 yds? Don't spin that sucker. It was especially sweet considering Kennison's comments.

[Sarcastro]

Nice try. You got a can of WHOOP ASS put on you that day. That is about as bad as it gets -- 5 TDS, 220 yds? Don't spin that sucker. It was especially sweet considering Kennison's comments.

I am sure you were proud when Portis started parading around in that belt like a jackass. Need I remind you? Scoreboard.

[DBroncos4life]

I am sure you were proud when Portis started parading around in that belt like a jackass. Need I remind you? Scoreboard.



So score board the second game in 05 means more then the score board in the second game in 04? I see how things work with you. How about we talk about records last year. 7-9 vs 10-6.

[bronco militia]

embarrassing
?...I thought it was funny as hell...and invesco hasn't rock n' rolled like that since then.

[ZachKC]

embarrassing
?...I thought it was funny as hell...and invesco hasn't rock n' rolled like that since then.
I was wondering where the crowd noise ran off to last September.

[bronco militia]

I was wondering where the crowd noise ran off to last September.

since Sharpe and CP left, this fanbase is begging for a franchise type player.....

[ZachKC]

since Sharpe and CP left, this fanbase is begging for a franchise type player.....
That doesn't mean you leave the noise at home on game days

[bronco militia]

That doesn't mean you leave the noise at home on game days

true, but that's just the way it is now.....

[rbackfactory80]

What is so puzzling about it? They brought in a top safety, a top linebacker, added some quality depth at DE and still plan on paying for a top CB...Sounds like a team trying make a substantial upgrade to a very poor defense to me, not puzzling at all....Now trading and signing the complete defensive lines that was one of the worst in football last year is very puzzling no matter how you look at it.

Yeah but what does it really matter? Look at Denver. We brought in Bailey and Lynch. Without a line that gets pressure your corners are ineffective. When building a defense you build from the line out, Carolina, Jacksonville. Now Denver has a line and watch how much more effective our secondary will be next year.

[rbackfactory80]

Yeah but what does it really matter? Look at Denver. We brought in Bailey and Lynch. Without a line that gets pressure your corners are ineffective. When building a defense you build from the line out, Carolina, Jacksonville. Now Denver has a line and watch how much more effective our secondary will be next year.

Trevor Pryce and Courtney Brown and ends, your saying that is not a pass rush. The Broncos have always stopped the run.

[royr17]

That doesn't matter. The Chiefs FO won't go after two high priced corners. They aren't looking to become the Ravens defense, they are just trying to get better. Signing both would be too much and I guarantee it doesn't happen.

It more then likely wont, but if it did, it would be very very very hard to beat the chiefs this season.

[bloodsunday]

I am sure you were proud when Portis started parading around in that belt like a jackass. Need I remind you? Scoreboard.
a jackass that light up the chiefs swiss cheese team. Scoreboard is right.

[bloodsunday]

I was wondering where the crowd noise ran off to last September.
The crowd noise has been an issue since we got the new stadium. I've been to a few games since then and its getting back to the level where it should be.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Woo!

[Steve Shields]

embarrassing
?...I thought it was funny as hell...and invesco hasn't rock n' rolled like that since then.

The MAIN reason it was funny was the K.C. CHUMPS and their idiot fans were talking **** a mile a minute about the CHUMPS,and Quitterson was running his mouth as well and both the K.C. CHUMPS and their idiot fans and Quitterson got totally pimped slapped like the true bitches they are!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[ZachKC]

The crowd noise has been an issue since we got the new stadium. I've been to a few games since then and its getting back to the level where it should be.
I went to a game last year and was suprised.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The crowd noise has been a problem since '99. The move to Invesco had nothing to do with it, though it is a nice scapegoat.

[Garcia Bronco]

Last year he was terrible. 20 interceptions. Spin that all you want, but he did not play well last year.


Horse **** over half of those were after they hit receivers in the hands. 2-3 of the games we lost were by literally inches.....jake played well last season....but let's say you're right....damn....to play that "badly" and still win 10 games...imagine as he gets better and better. I think this season is going to blow the doors off the monkey teams in the west.....and that'll start in KC when we wax that ass.

[Sarcastro]

Horse **** over half of those were after they hit receivers in the hands. 2-3 of the games we lost were by literally inches.....jake played well last season....but let's say you're right....damn....to play that "badly" and still win 10 games...imagine as he gets better and better. I think this season is going to blow the doors off the monkey teams in the west.....and that'll start in KC when we wax that ass.

If Plummer can just cut down on those costly left handed interceptions I think he is Pro Bowl bound!

[fontaine]

while trINT had just as many turnovers but a better passer rating (since when do us Donks give a **** about a passer rating after watching Elway all those years?), but Plummer threw the same amount of TD's with 63 less pass attempts.

either way, both QB's need to have better 2005's for their teams to advance.

I question Plummer's ability to improve to a QB that can learn to cut down on his mistakes. Jake is always going to be an erratic QB in my opinion who'll toss around 15-20 ints a year if you lead your offense through him.

Which is what was Denver's problem last year.

In 2003 Sharpe/Portis combined for 25 TDs. And more importantly those were the guys that moved the chains on 3rd downs and created big plays.

In 2003 the RB/TE combo was good for only 11 TDs (Bell/Droughsn/Putz).

This is why Plummer was asked to throw the ball a whopping 521 times. He had MORE pass attempts than Manning!

This offense can't afford to keep d*cking around with the running game and have it's wideouts disapear in the red zone.

You want Plummer to be great for us next year then ask him to do the things he's best at: Rollout, use his mobility, play action, and big plays to Lelie (he was one of the top QBs in the league for big plays), and not have him throw the ball over 500 times a season and count on him to deliver accurate passes in the red zone constantly.

Draft another stud RB in the first day and start running that ball better.