The "Plan"

[watermock]

[Ballhawk]

Shanny has actually worked some miracles IMO. A month ago we had about nothing on the DL. Since then he has picked up 3 starter quality players and a solid backup, and got TP to split the bill on them.

Speaking of TP, even tho the paycut was not as much as I would have liked, at least we didn't bury ourselves under a huge new contract to retain him. If TP is 100% this Dline is going to rock!

Now if Shanny can just break the streak of odd year drafts he will get an A+ for this offseason.

[Odysseus]

The plan isn't over....

Draft and FA pickups are still ahead. No vote.

[Kaylore]

The plan isn't over....

Draft and FA pickups are still ahead. No vote.
Hence my "In God We Trust." It's sort of an "I hope so" vote.

[HEAV]

Where's the option (Holding my breath hoping it works out).

Fact is Shanny created a mess and, then did the best he could, to clean it up. I hate the fact that he jumped back and fourth on the 3-4/4-3 and that he almost let Putz and Carlisle walk. Not to mention his blind attemp to sign Garcia while qaulity players wanted to come here, and those players where at need positions.

Also he handle the Pyrce issue wrong from day one. Things should have been taking care of back in Febuary, not in April.

I'm not sold on the former Browns. Injuries and issue's follow these guys.

[bloodsunday]

Where's the option (Holding my breath hoping it works out).

Fact is Shanny created a mess and, then did the best he could, to clean it up. I hate the fact that he jumped back and fourth on the 3-4/4-3 and that he almost let Putz and Carlisle walk. Not to mention his blind attemp to sign Garcia while qaulity players wanted to come here, and those players where at need positions.

Also he handle the Pyrce issue wrong from day one. Things should have been taking care of back in Febuary, not in April.

I'm not sold on the former Browns. Injuries and issue's follow these guys.

I think this is a pretty good post. Shanahan has done his best to clean up the mess that HE created, but it is a HUGE gamble. I mean a gamble in terms of wins and losses, we don't have that much invested in these players. I also keep coming back to the fact that all these guys are on short term deals as well.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think it's all good from a d-line POV...which was my main concern. I think the new guys are really going to make it happen. I'm excited to see who and what we take in the draft more this year than any other.

[Arkie]

Yes, the plan is a failure, or no, the plan is a success?

[labronx]

Hey Mock Have you ate your crow yet?

LOL

[watermock]

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~go24/minkey.jpg

[sirhcyennek81]

the plan, as it has unfolded:
let our high price f/agents walk, Kennedy is a liability in coverage, and Hayward was average or worse for 13 games last year. Restructure the contracts of several vets, land depth along the defensive line. Denver picked up 3 former 1st round picks for a backup RB and a 4th round pick. Brown, Pryce and Ekuban can play either Tackle or End, and would not have to come off the field when and if denver switches defensive fronts. The plan was to bring versatility to the Broncos defense. As it is right now, its a solid offseason. Broncos lost i think 3 or 4 freeagents, and signed 17.

[bendog]

The "plan" looks to me like the decentralization of a south american or e european economy. So far it is looking more like Poland or Chili than the soviet union, but it's more of 3 blind mice than a plan. LOL

[watermock]

Ebenezer is strictly a DE, and an average one, but so way Hayward. Myers can play anywhere. Brown is strictly a DE.

The person that has been in the shadows here is Dorsett Davis. This guy looks like Bruce Smith. I don't see any reason at all now not to just go BPA in the draft. All of a sudden a Heath Miller doesn't seem out of the question, or Barnes the OT. Ellis signed, Pope signed...Warren says we are going to the SuperBowl...Davis can play inside...

I'm sure some DL will drop out to injury, there are just too many cripples we are gambling on, but if only half pan out, we are just fine. Signing Pryce is huge, but only is he keeps his back tuned up.

What ya bet his massuse is called "kneel lau" or "happy ending"....I don't care if he's "Good Time Charlie" as long as he earns his 5.2 this year. That will buy plenty of happy endings.

[Northman]

i picked neither cause we dont know yet if it was a success. on paper its risky but it may work out great. or it could just sink us even further.

[Garcia Bronco]

I voted yes...for success.

[bloodsunday]

the plan, as it has unfolded:
let our high price f/agents walk, Kennedy is a liability in coverage, and Hayward was average or worse for 13 games last year. Restructure the contracts of several vets, land depth along the defensive line. Denver picked up 3 former 1st round picks for a backup RB and a 4th round pick. Brown, Pryce and Ekuban can play either Tackle or End, and would not have to come off the field when and if denver switches defensive fronts. The plan was to bring versatility to the Broncos defense. As it is right now, its a solid offseason. Broncos lost i think 3 or 4 freeagents, and signed 17.
Is this a press release from the Broncos? Geez, that is putting a spin on things. It's not to say that it cannot be true, but its not all roses either.

While we got "3 former first rounders", none of them have lived up to their potential. Kennoy Kennedy may be a liability in coverage, but he is a quality up and coming safety. The Broncos planned all along to bring him back, but just got outbid at the wrong time. Reggie Hayword, I agree he was overpaid. He is still more of a "known quantity" than anybody you are going to draft.

Don't get me wrong, the Broncos have done their best. But let's be objective about this. This Broncos took some gambles because they are tight on cap space and have limited draft picks available. Here's to hoping a new system, new environment, new year, or contract status get these guys moving.

[Alkazar]

Where's the "Its all Brian's fault" choice?

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think it went to plan but I don't see how it didn't come out ok either. Really I don't think the "plan" would have gotten us this many young player along the Dline so in someways its better. Before someone starts saying yeah but they are always hurt you should check that because really Brown was the only one to really miss any time in the last two years. Yes EE had surgery but that was just to make him better not fix a ACL or anything.

[Taco John]

I hate the fact that he jumped back and fourth on the 3-4/4-3...



Personally, I think that whole mess was a bunch of fans jumping overboard on idle talk. The 3-4 nonsense around this place has been ridiculously overblown. Coyer has NEVER run a 3-4 defense. I don't know what gave anybody the idea that he was going to abandon the base defense he's fancied his enitire coaching career in favor of the flavor of the month defense.

[bloodsunday]

Personally, I think that whole mess was a bunch of fans jumping overboard on idle talk. The 3-4 nonsense around this place has been ridiculously overblown. Coyer has NEVER run a 3-4 defense. I don't know what gave anybody the idea that he was going to abandon the base defense he's fancied his enitire coaching career in favor of the flavor of the month defense.
Well said. Sadly, much of the national media is still propogating the theory that we are switching to it fulltime, which is crazy. Ironically, they all use that as justification for their idea of who we'll select in their mock draft -- tells you how much stock we should put in those things.

[DBroncos4life]

Personally, I think that whole mess was a bunch of fans jumping overboard on idle talk. The 3-4 nonsense around this place has been ridiculously overblown. Coyer has NEVER run a 3-4 defense. I don't know what gave anybody the idea that he was going to abandon the base defense he's fancied his enitire coaching career in favor of the flavor of the month defense.


I tried to point that out as well when we brought Patterson on board as well. Yes it can be done but if you are going to do it wouldn't you bring in a 3-4 guy when you are adding a new Dline coach? It would have made it easier thats for sure.

[Crushaholic]

It was very clear that we needed D-line help. What kind of help is yet to be determined, but I like the direction Shanahan is going. I'll just have to trust that his plan works once September rolls around.

[ozomulsion]

Personally, I think that whole mess was a bunch of fans jumping overboard on idle talk. The 3-4 nonsense around this place has been ridiculously overblown. Coyer has NEVER run a 3-4 defense.

That pretty much says it all right there.

[Al Wilson]

Where's all the clowns that were going nuts every ****ing day?? Mastermind always comes through.

[bendog]

pulled his nutz outta the fire at the last second, imo. LOL

[bloodsunday]

Where's all the clowns that were going nuts every ****ing day?? Mastermind always comes through.
What do you mean always comes through? We ain't won a playoff game in 6 years, I'd say that's falling short of expectations. Have we forgotten about the 42 mill we gave to Griese? Not trying to rip Shanny, but the guy is fallable.

[listopencil]

I don't understand "The Plan" and I think it is still going on. I'm freaking baffled here. A bunch of cash for Gold? Whatever. Plese add a "WTF?" option for people like me who just don't get it.

[Taco John]

pulled his nutz outta the fire at the last second, imo. LOL



Not really... There are other options out there if Trevor fell through. Don't forget that John Abraham's future in New York is currently in doubt.

[Al Wilson]

A bunch of cash for Gold? Whatever. Plese add a "WTF?" option for people like me who just don't get it.
Ian Gold is worth the money.

[bloodsunday]

Ian Gold is worth the money.
Is anyone worth 8.5 mil? But seriously, I don't thinks so because that is already a strong suit of our team and we addressed him leaving by drafting DJ.

[Mile High Shack]

I don't understand "The Plan" and I think it is still going on. I'm freaking baffled here. A bunch of cash for Gold? Whatever. Plese add a "WTF?" option for people like me who just don't get it.
I know I don’t get it

He got lucky with Trevor…no one was willing to take him, so Trevor capitulated and took less money.

No biggie….it will be nice if his back is healthy….but there is still the issue of his contract next year.

Ian Gold is a midget LB who is a liability against the run…especially as his body tires in the latter part of the season.

We have a bunch of Cleveland scrubs who “might” pay off….they were grabbed in desperation IMO.

Anyway if it works…YES

If not..it’s an I told you so.

[Mile High Shack]

Ian Gold is worth the money.
According to who

What besides his speed does he bring to our team?

There are about 30 other LBS in the league I’d take ahead of him for that money.

He sucks against the run b/c he won’t take blocks head on and tries to run around the blocks.

[DBroncos4life]

Planned or not our line has talent now. Yes some of them have been hurt in the past but lets just hope thats what it is THE PAST. At some point in time we should have 4 former first round draft picks rushing the passer. Not many teams can say that. Yes they need to bring their talent to the games and everything that goes with that but lets face it the line is much better then last years. We still have others like Chuckwagon and Palepoi that can rush the passer as well. Myers and Fatafehi give us a solid rotation in the middle and thats a plus. Then there is Luther Ellis IF healthy can give us some push up the middle as well....HUGE IF there though. Makes me wonder how many Dline guys we keep. The battle I want to watch is between Pope and Davis.

[TheDave]

Folks it's kinda hard to have a "Plan" with 500 variables, most of which are determined by the other teams that FA were last with. I think they had a direction they wanted to go in and did the most they could with it. Personally i have never been an Ian Gold fan but the talk here that he is a liability is ridiculous. Were going to have to wait and see how the LB position plays out. As for the Dline i couldn't be happier. Assuming a moderate level of health we have the deepest rotation i can remember. As long as we do good in the draft this team should be able to compete with anyone... what more can you ask for out of a "Plan" than that.

[Mile High Shack]

Folks it's kinda hard to have a "Plan" with 500 variables, most of which are determined by the other teams that FA were last with. I think they had a direction they wanted to go in and did the most they could with it. Personally i have never been an Ian Gold fan but the talk here that he is a liability is ridiculous. Were going to have to wait and see how the LB position plays out. As for the Dline i couldn't be happier. Assuming a moderate level of health we have the deepest rotation i can remember. As long as we do good in the draft this team should be able to compete with anyone... what more can you ask for out of a "Plan" than that.
Not the entire Browns Dline from last year?

[TheDave]

Not the entire Browns Dline from last year?


Since all it cost was 4 mil in cap space, a low 4th, and our 3rd string running back... who cares. If 50% of them don't work out we cut them and loose nothing. and as i've said a million times "Contract year/big money" Warren is going to be a monster. That alone was worth the price of admission in my mind.

[Arkie]

I can't wait to see the new and improved version of "Thunder and Lightning."

[watermock]

Big Money has his eyes on that 2006 Ferrari with the custom "fat ass" seat.

[Al Wilson]

Is anyone worth 8.5 mil? But seriously, I don't thinks so because that is already a strong suit of our team and we addressed him leaving by drafting DJ.
Ian Gold is a playmaker. DJ Williams is not. DJ has potential though, and he's a sure tackler, and has great versatillaty.

[Mile High Shack]

Ian Gold is a playmaker. DJ Williams is not. DJ has potential though, and he's a sure tackler, and has great versatillaty.

LOL

are you freakin' serious?

Ian Gold is a play maker and DJ isn't???

what???

:kiddingme ugh!~

[DBroncos4life]

Ian Gold is a playmaker. DJ Williams is not. DJ has potential though, and he's a sure tackler, and has great versatillaty.


Whatever dude. Williams is a playmaker! I wouldn't say that he wasn't just by watching his first year. He took over games for us on D. Gold can never do that. I am not saying Gold is bad but if you ask 10 people who they would rather have starting at WLB Gold or Williams I bet you 8 of those 10 will pick Williams.

[BroncoInferno]

Ian Gold is a midget LB who is a liability against the run…especially as his body tires in the latter part of the season.

This quote just proves that you are looking at the scales and not what's happening on the field. Where's your evidence that he wears down as the season goes on? You don't have any, because it isn't there. You assume he wears down because he's smaller than the average linebacker. Same deal with saying he is a liability against the run. He frequently made big plays plugging up the run in the backfield or chasing the runner down from the backside using his speed...plays that not many other LBs are capable of.

He sucks against the run b/c he won’t take blocks head on and tries to run around the blocks.

That's true of most "pursuit" LBs. Hell, that's the book on Ray Lewis. If he's engaged by the blocker, he's usually neutralized. He makes almost all his plays in open space.

Gold is an upgrade to our defense. It gives us incredible speed and flexibility at the position. If the DL can stay healthy, we'll have one of the deeper front sevens in the league. That's a big *if*, of course.

[Atlas]

Is anyone worth 8.5 mil? But seriously, I don't thinks so because that is already a strong suit of our team and we addressed him leaving by drafting DJ.

Let's get this straight. It's $8.5 million for a 5 year contract. So that comes out to about. $1.7 mil per year. THAT AIN'T sh_t. People can complain all they want but Gold is an upgrade over Spragen he is faster than Spragen he is a better pass rusher than Spragen and he can cover better than Spragen. SO that makes the defense better and brings the team closer to a championship.

[DBroncos4life]

Let's get this straight. It's $8.5 million for a 5 year contract. So that comes out to about. $1.7 mil per year. THAT AIN'T sh_t. People can complain all they want but Gold is an upgrade over Spragen he is faster than Spragen he is a better pass rusher than Spragen and he can cover better than Spragen. SO that makes the defense better and brings the team closer to a championship.



It may comeout that as an avg but its WAY more then that over the last three years. Its between 6 and 8 million over the last three years except the last year when the bonus is gone.

[F**kOakland]

What's the hub bub has shanny ever led us astray, I mean astray enough that the Bronco's can't recover. Does anybody remember Eddie Mac or Neil Smith. What did "they" say about those choices and these players became very close to the collective "orange" heart!!!! This D-line will take No prisoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................... .................................................. ............................if they can stay healthy!!

[Al Wilson]

Whatever dude. Williams is a playmaker! I wouldn't say that he wasn't just by watching his first year. He took over games for us on D. Gold can never do that. I am not saying Gold is bad but if you ask 10 people who they would rather have starting at WLB Gold or Williams I bet you 8 of those 10 will pick Williams.
DJ is a better fit at MLB. He lacks the ability to rush the passer. That's why Mike got Ian back. Ian Gold is a playmaker, and we lacked alot of that last year. I think it would be better if DJ moves inside.

Before most of you start judgin Ian Gold you need watch game tapes close cause some of you sound very foolish and dumb.

[Atlas]

What's the hub bub has shanny ever led us astray, I mean astray enough that the Bronco's can't recover. Does anybody remember Eddie Mac or Neil Smith. What did "they" say about those choices and these players became very close to the collective "orange" heart!!!! This D-line will take No prisoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................... .................................................. ............................if they can stay healthy!!

Welcome to the Mane.

[labronco]

there's no way shanny planned all these happening. the browns thing probably just fell into their laps. i have to give shanny credit for working things out with trevor. but that also wasn't a part of the "plan."

whatever the plan was, i think it's all messed up, for better or for worse. they are probably going crazy re-addressing draft needs at dove valley now.

[Atlas]

there's no way shanny planned all these happening. the browns thing probably just fell into their laps. i have to give shanny credit for working things out with trevor. but that also wasn't a part of the "plan."

whatever the plan was, i think it's all messed up, for better or for worse. they are probably going crazy re-addressing draft needs at dove valley now.

I disagree. They hired the Browns Dline coach. They have been talking to him. They new that Brown was going to get released and they went out and traded for Warren. That was definately part of "The Plan". Of course it didn't just fall in their laps.

Shanny's hardline stance with Trevor made all the difference in the world. Pryce realized he didn't have any power and that if he didn't restructure his contract Shanny was going to trade him to Detroit or some other god awful team for a low round draft pick.

Funny how a week ago people were calling Trevor greedy and good riddence. HOW MANY TIMES DID I SEE PEOPLE STATING THAT DENVER JUST NEEDED TO CUT HIM OUTRIGHT? As soon as Pryce restructurse now people are saying it's all Shanny's fault that Pryce almost left and he almost bungled everything... What a joke.

People have to be negative just so they don't have to admit they were wrong.

[watermock]

Damn Award.

[ro_50]

Maybe Shanny did have a plan all along despite my remarks earlier in the season. I guess its pays to be patient.

I like the acquisitions of the Browns DL cuz they come cheap and albeit I'm not high on Gold's landing back here at that price, he is a difference maker and come up w/ big plays and he excels at special teams, which we all know is the not the Broncos' strongest suit.

[labronco]

I disagree. They hired the Browns Dline coach. They have been talking to him. They new that Brown was going to get released and they went out and traded for Warren. That was definately part of "The Plan". Of course it didn't just fall in their laps.

Shanny's hardline stance with Trevor made all the difference in the world. Pryce realized he didn't have any power and that if he didn't restructure his contract Shanny was going to trade him to Detroit or some other god awful team for a low round draft pick.

Funny how a week ago people were calling Trevor greedy and good riddence. HOW MANY TIMES DID I SEE PEOPLE STATING THAT DENVER JUST NEEDED TO CUT HIM OUTRIGHT? As soon as Pryce restructurse now people are saying it's all Shanny's fault that Pryce almost left and he almost bungled everything... What a joke.

People have to be negative just so they don't have to admit they were wrong.

it's all projecture, but it's just hard to believe shanny designed this plan after getting a d-line coach from a team that ranks at the bottom. i think getting all those players for essentially nothing was innovative to say the least. but the truth is this plan of his was made on assumption that trevor was going to be gone one way or another. i think there was a real chance that trevor was gonna go for nothing.

anyways, things look as well as it can possibly be. i am just glad everything turned out as it is.

[Atlas]

anyways, things look as well as it can possibly be. i am just glad everything turned out as it is.

Amen brother

[DBroncos4life]

DJ is a better fit at MLB. He lacks the ability to rush the passer. That's why Mike got Ian back. Ian Gold is a playmaker, and we lacked alot of that last year. I think it would be better if DJ moves inside.

Before most of you start judgin Ian Gold you need watch game tapes close cause some of you sound very foolish and dumb.



So you are saying because a LB can't rush the passer he isn't a playmaker? I wasn't aware of the fact that thats a LB's job? Also you need to go back and WATCH tapes of Williams because you are clueless of what he can do and can't do. Best tape for you to watch is the Alt game... Watch Williams run down Vick. Gold can't do that. DJ to the inside thats funny. Damn that award.

[longtimer]

I think we are going to take a foster clone in
Jeremy Parquet
College: Southern Miss Height: 6-63/4
Position: Offensive Tackle Weight: 323
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 5.25
SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Excellent size and a massive frame...Good athleticism and nimble feet...Has long arms which aid him as a pass blocker...Powerful and does a solid job as a run blocker...Smart player who graduated in 3 1/2 years...A team leader and captain.
Weaknesses: Not as strong as you would like and needs to hit the weight room...Doesn't always play up to his physical ability...Inconsistent...Will improve in the running game as he gets stronger.
Notes: Prospect who has a rare blend of size and athleticism...Has a lot of potential as well as the drive to succeed and improve...May have the potential to play left tackle in the NFL

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think we are going to take a foster clone in
Jeremy Parquet
College: Southern Miss Height: 6-63/4
Position: Offensive Tackle Weight: 323
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 5.25
SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Excellent size and a massive frame...Good athleticism and nimble feet...Has long arms which aid him as a pass blocker...Powerful and does a solid job as a run blocker...Smart player who graduated in 3 1/2 years...A team leader and captain.
Weaknesses: Not as strong as you would like and needs to hit the weight room...Doesn't always play up to his physical ability...Inconsistent...Will improve in the running game as he gets stronger.
Notes: Prospect who has a rare blend of size and athleticism...Has a lot of potential as well as the drive to succeed and improve...May have the potential to play left tackle in the NFL

Maybe if he lasts to one of those third round picks.

[Cito Pelon]

Dammit, too much money . . .

"The Plan" 2 days after season's end was "we're only one or two players away."

I thought that meant sign one or two studs. Sorry, but Gold's not a stud, Warren's not a stud, Ekuban's not a stud, Brown's an injured stud, Myer's not a stud.

So all that cap money and Droughns that could have gone to getting a stud by moving up in the first round went to certifiable non-studs.

It could all work out fine, but I thought the best way to go was get one-two sure-fire studs this yeAr, and another one-two next year, and the Broncs had some playoff runs in their future.

[bloodsunday]

Ian Gold is a playmaker. DJ Williams is not. DJ has potential though, and he's a sure tackler, and has great versatillaty.
DJ should more than potential last season, he played in all 16 games. He led the team in tackles. And he is far more versatile than Gold. Yes, he needs to make a few more plays. I predict he alone will take our defense to another level this season. He is primed to bust out. I like Gold a lot, but giving him 8.5 mil considering we drafted DJ and have other needs, was a mistake.

[bloodsunday]

Let's get this straight. It's $8.5 million for a 5 year contract. So that comes out to about. $1.7 mil per year.
Actually it was 8.5 million signing bonus. I am not toally sure what the entire contract was worth.

[DBroncos4life]

Actually it was 8.5 million signing bonus. I am not toally sure what the entire contract was worth.


22.5 or 23 something to that effect.

2005 540000.00
2006 670000.00
2007 2300000.00
2008 2750000.00
2009 3400000.00
2010 4590000.00

This is without the Bonuses put in

[DBroncos4life]

Also if he meets all of his goals his bonus goes from 8.5 to a cool 10 mill.

[Al Wilson]

So you are saying because a LB can't rush the passer he isn't a playmaker? I wasn't aware of the fact that thats a LB's job? Also you need to go back and WATCH tapes of Williams because you are clueless of what he can do and can't do. Best tape for you to watch is the Alt game... Watch Williams run down Vick. Gold can't do that. DJ to the inside thats funny. Damn that award.
Nope. DJ does not have the abilities that Gold has. Certainly, DJ is a playmaker as he runs side to side, but he's no Ian Gold. Ian is faster, a much better pass rusher, and better in coverage. I said DJ is a better fit at inside because he can cover well, and runs side to side with his big 250 frame to chase down the RB.

[bloodsunday]

22.5 or 23 something to that effect...This is without the Bonuses put in
That's too much for a position where we are relatively strong. As someone else pointed out, if we were truly going to a 3 - 4, then maybe.

[bloodsunday]

Nope. DJ does not have the abilities that Gold has. Certainly, DJ is a playmaker as he runs side to side, but he's no Ian Gold. Ian is faster, a much better pass rusher, and better in coverage. I said DJ is a better fit at inside because he can cover well, and runs side to side with his big 250 frame to chase down the RB.
Your crazy. DJ has the most range of any of our linebackers and he has a huge frame. The guy was just a rookie last year; how much time did Gold see as a rookie? DJ is going to explode this season and put Al and Ian to shame. Good thing there on the same team :)

[DBroncos4life]

Nope. DJ does not have the abilities that Gold has. Certainly, DJ is a playmaker as he runs side to side, but he's no Ian Gold. Ian is faster, a much better pass rusher, and better in coverage. I said DJ is a better fit at inside because he can cover well, and runs side to side with his big 250 frame to chase down the RB.



Gold is faster? Ha ahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahah Whats Gold run then a 4.4 40? Cause DJ is a 4.5 guy and hes 40 pounds bigger then Gold!!!!!


Also if GOLD is SOOOOOO much better in coverage why is he taking over weakside when STRONG SIDE covers the TE? Hmmmm lets think that one over why don't we?

[Al Wilson]

Gold is faster? Ha ahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahah Whats Gold run then a 4.4 40? Cause DJ is a 4.5 guy and hes 40 pounds bigger then Gold!!!!!
I'm not sure about gold's 40, but yes he is faster than DJ. And as I stated, Gold is a better fit than DJ at weakside because he brings more than DJ. Again, I think DJ would be an all pro if he does move inside.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm not sure about gold's 40, but yes he is faster than DJ. And as I stated, Gold is a better fit than DJ at weakside because he brings more than DJ. Again, I think DJ would be an all pro if he does move inside.


Gold and DJ both run about a 4.5 40. You need to talk to socal about this he will set you straight.

[Al Wilson]

Also if GOLD is SOOOOOO much better in coverage why is he taking over weakside when STRONG SIDE covers the TE? Hmmmm lets think that one over why don't we?
Cuz Gold plays coverage in Nickle you dumbass. He's better suited at the Weak Side cuz he can do it all at that position (rushing the passer, runs side to side for the RB....). Why do you think Shanahan made a run for Gold? Cuz he's a difference maker and is better at weak side than DJ you fool.

[DBroncos4life]

Cuz Gold plays coverage in Nickle you dumbass. He's better suited at the Weak Side cuz he can do it all at that position (rushing the passer, runs side to side for the RB....). Why do you think Shanahan made a run for Gold? Cuz he's a difference maker and is better at weak side than DJ you fool.



oh you are killing me.

[DBroncos4life]

Of the two backers which one played strongside in the NFL?

[wabbit]

Fact is Shanny created a mess...Not to mention his blind attemp to sign Garcia while qaulity players wanted to come here...

This is a legitimate point

What in the hell was Shanahan doing putting millions of tight cap dollars on the table for a back-up QB??

I know he saw Garcia as very much in the mold of a Plummer-style QB, but with so many glaring needs elsewhere, and the Pryce issues festering in the back-ground...well, the whole fiasco makes you wonder out loud

...unlike Heav who screams at the top of his lungs & rightfully so on this issue

[Al Wilson]

You need to talk to socal about this he will set you straight.
There's no need for me to talk to anyone else. Gold is faster than DJ. If you say he's not then you proved to me that you're a dumbass.

[DBroncos4life]

There's no need for me to talk to anyone else. Gold is faster than DJ. If you say he's not then you proved to me that you're a dumbass.



Great have you seen them race? Do you know their times? Can you prove this in a court of law?

[bendog]

This is a legitimate point

What in the hell was Shanahan doing putting millions of tight cap dollars on the table for a back-up QB??

I know he saw Garcia as very much in the mold of a Plummer-style QB, but with so many glaring needs elsewhere, and the Pryce issues festering in the back-ground...well, the whole fiasco makes you wonder out loud

...unlike Heav who screams at the top of his lungs & rightfully so on this issue
I was neve sure whether the Garcia fly in was just a distraction for the media and fans to cover up the fact that they fumbled freeing up Pryce's cap to land Okeafer. We need a backup qb, I'd agree. If garcia signed cheap, we'd all be happy. But I suspect the wooing of Jeff was played up to make us think Dove Valley really had a plan, when it now appears they were crapping themselves.

[bloodsunday]

There's no need for me to talk to anyone else. Gold is faster than DJ. If you say he's not then you proved to me that you're a dumbass.
Who really gives a s**t? If Gold is faster, its only by a hair margin. The point is, DJ has much more upside. DJ can cover from the strong side postion, DJ can play the weakside position. DJ is equipped to take on run blocks better. DJ had a better rookie campaign. DJ has only scratched the surface of his ability and you know that Coyer and Shanahan believe he is ready to explode next season.

We are fortunate to have both, but maybe to the detriment of our salary cap.

[DBroncos4life]

Lets see DJ lead the team in tackles as a ROOKIE with 106 (via espn) He finished with 81 SOLO tackles and 25 AST. Gold finished fifth in tackles with the Bucs. He had 71 total tackles (10 less then DJ's solo total if you are keeping up with me) 54 SOLO and 17 AST. Now lets look at the sacks. The MUCH speeder Gold as you put it has a huge .5 sack while again DJ topped that with 2. Moving on to TLOSS Gold had 4! while DJ had 10. Hmmm again the "less of a playmaker" as you put it finishes ahead of Gold. Ints they each had one and Gold had more yards. DJ had one FF while Gold had 0. Gold had 3 PD and DJ had 7. Now DJ had 4 straight game over 10 tackles and a season high of 12. Gold had 0 games over 10 tackles and a season high of 8 that he matched twice. All and all I would say a ROOKIE beat the hell out of this season vet.

[Al Wilson]

DBfan you have done it, and proved to me that you're an idiot.

Let me correct you again moron. Ian Gold played strong side with the Buccs last season.

When he was with Denver 3 seasons ago he recorded over a 100 tackles and 7 sacks playing at the weak side.

2 seasons ago before he got hurt he was on a roll and had 3 INTs I believe.

He couldn't start as a rookie because Mobley was playing the weakside, but Ian had a tremendous campaign as a rookie and was a ST ace. The only reason DJ started on defense was cuz we had nobody to play weak side.

You duno crap dude, give it up.

[DBroncos4life]

DBfan you have done it, and proved to me that you're an idiot.

Let me correct you again moron. Ian Gold played strong side with the Buccs last season.

When he was with Denver 3 seasons ago he recorded over a 100 tackles and 7 sacks playing at the weak side.

2 seasons ago before he got hurt he was on a roll and had 3 INTs I believe.

He couldn't start as a rookie because Mobley was playing the weakside, but Ian had a tremendous campaign as a rookie and was a ST ace. The only reason DJ started on defense was cuz we had nobody to play weak side.

You duno crap dude, give it up.



Yep his career high is 99 tackles not 100. 6.5 sacks not 7. The year he got hurt he had 2 ints not three. He has three for his career. Playing strong side means he should have more PD then DJ he does not. Playing strong side STILL gives him the chance to tackle people. If you think for one second that Gold is better then DJ you should just leave this place. Gold will never be half the backer DJ is.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5069

[bilrob]

All this bickering about the merrits of the DL and LB is really off the subject. Consider the Plan for the front seven finished! Lets look at the rest of the the Plan. A real need for a FS with cover ability. Don't believe there is a FA left that Shanny will look at. There are a couple in the draft, Pool and Davis, but whether they will reach #25 is debateable. We could use a Corner. A WR and must address the OL. There may still be a FA out there that could help here. Perhaps there will be a good choice in Rd #3 left. But realisticly, Denver has two (2) prime picks, its just where do they fit in the plan. Hopefully, with the restructuring of Pryce's contract, there is another FA out there to fill one of these needs.

[Al Wilson]

Gold will never be half the backer DJ is.
Yet Shanahan kicked DJ out of his position just for Gold.

Now don't tell me you know more than an NFL coach kid.

[DBroncos4life]

Yet Shanahan kicked DJ out of his position just for Gold.

Now don't tell me you know more than an NFL coach kid.



Because he KNOWS that Gold is too small to do it and Coyer already said they would be switched back in forth anyways you tool.


Point blank right here tell me that Gold is better then DJ.

[DBroncos4life]

Yet Shanahan kicked DJ out of his position just for Gold.

Now don't tell me you know more than an NFL coach kid.



Because he KNOWS that Gold is too small to do it and Coyer already said they would be switched back in forth anyways you tool.


Point blank right here tell me that Gold is better then DJ.

[Al Wilson]

Because he KNOWS that Gold is too small to do it and Coyer already said they would be switched back in forth anyways you tool.


Point blank right here tell me that Gold is better then DJ.
Once again, why did Shanahan bring Gold in? Because he's better than DJ at weak side. Gold put up better numbers than DJ at weak side, and he's better suited there.

Weak side LB

Gold >>> DJ

[DBroncos4life]

D.J. Williams / LB / Miami-Fla.

- He will not workout here but will at his pro day.

- 4.47 is his best 40-time.

- Was recruited as a RB.

- Has meetings with nine teams this evening.

- Feels that he can play inside or outside at LB at the next level.

http://nfldraft.scout.com/2/236487.html

[DBroncos4life]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2000/nfldraft/players/40638.html

Ian Gold | OLB | Michigan | Big Ten
Selected by Denver Broncos in round 2, pick 9 (#40 overall)
Ht Wt 40 BP SS LS VJ BJ Grade
6'1" 220 4.56 21 4.2 11.53 33 9'7" 7.29

Rick Stewart/Allsport

Former running back. Smaller than ideal. Could get some consideration as a safety. Muscular and fairly strong. Energetic. Reacts quickly and steps up and attacks blocks aggressively -- gets engulfed some but is willing. Plays low. Keeps his feet well. Takes good angles and has a burst through a gap. A little stiff but he redirects well on the move. Has coverage potential. Runs well and is alert in a zone -- picks up backs smartly. Lack of good size factors against him but he's a tough player who does a lot of things well. Should do well on special teams.






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I don't know about you but I don't think that torn ACL took off a .10 of a second off his 40 time. In my world 4.47 is faster then 4.56 but then again Im not as smart as AL WILSON. Thanks for playing though.

[DBroncos4life]

Once again, why did Shanahan bring Gold in? Because he's better than DJ at weak side. Gold put up better numbers than DJ at weak side, and he's better suited there.

Weak side LB

Gold >>> DJ



You are a ****ing dumbass. Golds stats are no where near DJ's at WLB. His sacks are higher but thats it. DJ RAN DOWN MIKE VICK AND SACKED HIM!!!! Gold could NEVER do that. Gold is not anywhere near as good as DJ. Why did Mike bring Gold back? No one here knows the that answer. I dare you to do a poll and ask who is the better WLB DJ or Gold. Do it or I will do it for you.

[SoCalBronco]

Anyone who is even making the beginnings of the argument that Ian Gold is better than D.J. is a certified Idiot.
So Gold gets punished by the fact that last year he played the strongside? Ok. So at the end of this season, to make things fair, we will shave off 30 tackles from Ian's stat line and then we will compare them to see who is better.

[SoCalBronco]

Once again, why did Shanahan bring Gold in? Because he's better than DJ at weak side. Gold put up better numbers than DJ at weak side, and he's better suited there.

Weak side LB

Gold >>> DJ

You are forgetting it took till Fool's Gold's third year to crack the starting lineup and even then he had 100 tackles. DJ did it from day 1. If Ian was so good, dont u think they would have moved Mobley out sooner to accomodate his skinny little worthless ass?

[SoCalBronco]

Why do you think Shanahan made a run for Gold?

Because Shanny is an idiot, thats why.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Once again, why did Shanahan bring Gold in? Because he's better than DJ at weak side. Gold put up better numbers than DJ at weak side, and he's better suited there.

Weak side LB

Gold >>> DJ
What, are you Gold's mama or something? Saying Gold is better than DJ at anything at LB is wishful thinking. Gold can play but he's small (not the complete LB). If he was fast enough he would be moved to safety. DJ has all the tools to be one of the elite LBs in the league.

[watermock]

Jesus Christ.

Shut up SoCal. Your whining like a stuck pig.

[SoCalBronco]

Jesus Christ.

Shut up SoCal. Your whining like a stuck pig.

Keep pretending Gold is something special.

[elsid13]

Gold was brought in because he has speed and can make plays. DJ has the chance to be special. Why are we eating our own young???

[Al Wilson]

Stats don't mean ****. Has DJ made a nice play this year for the team? He can't. He's just a side to side tackler. He ain't good on the pass rush, and doesn't make alot of plays. You people are so aroogant and stupid that you can't see why Shanahan brought Gold in. All you ****ing do is cry, whine, but when the team wins you hop on the banwagon, and get all excited.

Biggest sad ****s I have ever seen.

Just to rub it in your faces, Ian Gold robbed DJ's spot . . .enjoy it for the next 5 or so years!

[SoCalBronco]

Stats don't mean ****. Has DJ made a nice play this year for the team? He can't. He's just a side to side tackler. He ain't good on the pass rush, and doesn't make alot of plays. You people are so aroogant and stupid that you can't see why Shanahan brought Gold in. All you ****ing do is cry, whine, but when the team wins you hop on the banwagon, and get all excited.

Biggest sad ****s I have ever seen.

Just to rub it in your faces, Ian Gold robbed DJ's spot . . .enjoy it for the next 5 or so years!

Your such a loser it isnt even funny.

[DBroncos4life]

Stats don't mean ****. Has DJ made a nice play this year for the team? He can't. He's just a side to side tackler. He ain't good on the pass rush, and doesn't make alot of plays. You people are so aroogant and stupid that you can't see why Shanahan brought Gold in. All you ****ing do is cry, whine, but when the team wins you hop on the banwagon, and get all excited.

Biggest sad ****s I have ever seen.

Just to rub it in your faces, Ian Gold robbed DJ's spot . . .enjoy it for the next 5 or so years!



too bad he will get cut after two years when when his contract goes up. Again do I have to spell this out for you.....HE RAN DOWN VICK AND SACKED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! Not many lb's can do that tool.

[TheDave]

Stats don't mean ****. Has DJ made a nice play this year for the team? He can't. He's just a side to side tackler. He ain't good on the pass rush, and doesn't make alot of plays. You people are so aroogant and stupid that you can't see why Shanahan brought Gold in. All you ****ing do is cry, whine, but when the team wins you hop on the banwagon, and get all excited.

Biggest sad ****s I have ever seen.

Just to rub it in your faces, Ian Gold robbed DJ's spot . . .enjoy it for the next 5 or so years!

Not that your other posts in this thread weren't doing a pretty good job of making you look like an idiot, but that post was a work of pure stupidity! Good Job. By the way did you even watch DJ play, or is this just something your freinds at school told you?

[TheDave]

too bad he will get cut after two years when when his contract goes up. Again do I have to spell this out for you.....HE RAN DOWN VICK AND SACKED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! Not many lb's can do that tool.

...and within the next few plays put a 330 lb pulling gaurd on his ass in route to the tackle. Pretty good for a guy that is only a sideline to sideline type.

[Al Wilson]

I don't hate DJ. All I'm saying is that Gold is a better fit at weak side, and you people are making fools out of yourselves.

W/E I'm not going to keep arguing with a bunch of idiots.

[SoCalBronco]

Team Board Material.

[TheDave]

I don't hate DJ. All I'm saying is that Gold is a better fit at weak side, and you people are making fools out of yourselves.

W/E I'm not going to keep arguing with a bunch of idiots.

You must spread some Reputation around before neg repping Al Wilson's dumb ass again.

got to get that fixed TJ...

[DBroncos4life]

Not that your other posts in this thread weren't doing a pretty good job of making you look like an idiot, but that post was a work of pure stupidity! Good Job. By the way did you even watch DJ play, or is this just something your freinds at school told you?



The little girl can't even tell me I was right on who was faster even after I posted A LINK TO PROVE MY STORY! Im happy the mane won and all but if it brings in jokers like this then its not cool.

[DBroncos4life]

Team Board Material.



Im sure he was a hit there too.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't hate DJ. All I'm saying is that Gold is a better fit at weak side, and you people are making fools out of yourselves.

W/E I'm not going to keep arguing with a bunch of idiots.
Ok, tell the truth now, you really are Gold's mama, right?

[SoCalBronco]

Im sure he was a hit there too.

No Doubt. ugh!~

[SoCalBronco]

Go on, suck Fool's Gold off i dont care. Whatever.

[Spider]

Ian Gold is a playmaker. DJ Williams is not. DJ has potential though, and he's a sure tackler, and has great versatillaty.
:kiddingme ...... Williams is a play maker , Hell for a Rookie he flat tore it up ....
Where Williams had Problems was Rushing the QB , That he needs to work on , but far as Run stuffing and Reading Williams is years ahead of his Rookie status ........
D.J.Williams could be one of the Premire Line Backers in the NFL .....

[Atlas]

:kiddingme ...... Williams is a play maker , Hell for a Rookie he flat tore it up ....
Where Williams had Problems was Rushing the QB , That he needs to work on , but far as Run stuffing and Reading Williams is years ahead of his Rookie status ........
D.J.Williams could be one of the Premire Line Backers in the NFL .....

The Tag "Best LB in the NFL" might not be too far off.

[Spider]

Yet Shanahan kicked DJ out of his position just for Gold.

Now don't tell me you know more than an NFL coach kid.
are you being an ass on purpose ? whats that about ?
I would move DJ Williams to Sam in a heart beat , reguardless of who we have @ Will ........ DJ.Williams will bring to the Sam what we have been Missing since Romo left ...... No need to start Ripping Players saying this one sucks ........

[Rascal]

I hope you are getting paid for taking all of Gold's throat yogurt like that.

[bendog]

I wanted to see what Wilson could do at Will. If for no other reason that I'd like to see him bitch slap Gonzo.

[Spider]

The Tag "Best LB in the NFL" might not be too far off.
No it isnt ...240 Pounds and 4.4 speed , Kid is a weapon for sure .......
I am glad we got him , But then Shanny always does hit Running Backs and Line Backers .......

[Spider]

I wanted to see what Wilson could do at Will. If for no other reason that I'd like to see him bitch slap Gonzo.
After seeing Wilson Cover Moss Deep , I am convienced that Man could play any Postion and be a pro Bowler ......

[Atlas]

Nope. DJ does not have the abilities that Gold has. Certainly, DJ is a playmaker as he runs side to side, but he's no Ian Gold. Ian is faster, a much better pass rusher, and better in coverage. I said DJ is a better fit at inside because he can cover well, and runs side to side with his big 250 frame to chase down the RB.

This right here isn't a bad post.

Most people wanted Gold here last year then he leaves and all of a sudden nobody wants him back.
No way is Gold better than Williams. In fact Gold is the 3rd best LB on the team. However he does add an element that was missing. He can cover better than Wilson and he is the best pass rusher of the three. This could be the best LBing unit in the NFL and with hopefully a better more dominant Dline in front of them, maybe we'll get to see how great they can be.

[Spider]

The Plan .............Well there is an old saying .... a Bad plan is better then no plan ......
I dont know if the Plan will work or not , but I would rather go with this plan then sit tight with what we had last year ...... Now I am not saying the Players we had last year were bad , in fact I thought they did good , but they started fading near the end , so why not do what Shanny did bring in these Players, keep what we could of the old ones and rotate them in more ?
What we need to watch is how fresh these guys look in December .......