Chiefs: Hall acquired from Titans

[TheManeMan]

by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Tuesday, April 5, 2005

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The Chiefs acquired defensive end Carlos Hall from the Titans for an undisclosed draft pick. Hall, who started 31 games in three seasons with Tennessee is expected to compete for a starting spot with the Chiefs.

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Hall was a restricted free agent and had already visited Kansas City this offseason. Had the Chiefs signed him to an offer sheet and the Titans declined to match, they would have received a seventh-round selection. Odds are the Chiefs upped that ante to a sixth- or perhaps even fifth-round pick to acquire Hall's services without going through the offer sheet paperwork.

[RhymesayersDU]

You mean, other teams have defensive linemen?

Here I thought only Cleveland did.

[ZachKC]

Wow this is 2nd thread.

Chiefsplanet West!

Looks like he is going to get some time rotating in. I guess we shall see how it pans out.

[MT-Tdawg]

Wow. Another blockbuster move by the Chefs. :flush:

[ZachKC]

Wow. Another blockbuster move by the Chefs. :flush:
Are you kidding me? This coming from a Broncos fan during this offseason. :kiddingme

We can't all get world beaters like Warren on our team.

[Mediator12]

Wow this is 2nd thread.

Chiefsplanet West!

Looks like he is going to get some time rotating in. I guess we shall see how it pans out.

Unfortunately, that still does not cure the Strong DE position. Hall is only 260 or so and plays the rush End position, like Jared Allen. Jared Allen looked like one of the steals of last years draft and Now the Chiefs are acquiring another rush end? Thanks Carl!

[bronco militia]

ohhhhhhh jake....











bwahahahaha!

[ZachKC]

Unfortunately, that still does not cure the Strong DE position. Hall is only 260 or so and plays the rush End position, like Jared Allen. Jared Allen looked like one of the steals of last years draft and Now the Chiefs are acquiring another rush end? Thanks Carl!
I don't think you will find anyone thinking this signing has "cured" one of our DE positions. Seems like another step in the right direction. The guy is gonna be better than Hick's...

[Mediator12]

I don't think you will find anyone thinking this signing has "cured" one of our DE positions. Seems like another step in the right direction. The guy is gonna be better than Hick's...

True enough if he could play the Strong side DE. However, he will get owned if he lines up against the strong side. Maybe a nickel package edge rusher, but he is not going to help every down unless he supplants Allen which I do not see happening.

Maybe this is just the start of Carl trying to get the whole Titans DL? Starks and Antwan odom coming over next??? Sorry, could not resist after Denver's current rollercoaster.

[MT-Tdawg]

Are you kidding me? This coming from a Broncos fan during this offseason. :kiddingme

We can't all get world beaters like Warren on our team.


LOl. Not that we've had the greatest offseason (I'm actually pretty happy with it all in all....especially if pryce comes back..and i can't wait to tell everybody i told you so when Gold has a good year) but come on, you chef fans deserve it. I just love that after all the big names all the chef fans said they were gonna get they end up with Bell and this guy. In 10 months it will start all over again with Chef fans proclaiming they've signed Jesus, Alah, and the spirit of the pope.

[Saulbadguy]

In other news, the Chiefs have signed Jesus, Allah, and the spirit of the Pope. As per club policy, terms have not been released.

[ZachKC]

LOl. Not that we've had the greatest offseason (I'm actually pretty happy with it all in all....especially if pryce comes back..and i can't wait to tell everybody i told you so when Gold has a good year) but come on, you chef fans deserve it. I just love that after all the big names all the chef fans said they were gonna get they end up with Bell and this guy. In 10 months it will start all over again with Chef fans proclaiming they've signed Jesus, Alah, and the spirit of the pope.
Knight and Bell signings are solid...I still think the Surtain thing happens...

If we land Surtain we have one half of the defensive backfield that led the league is passing defense.

The Chiefs and the Broncos do have one thing in commong. We both have worthless Heissman winners on our team.

[ZachKC]

In other news, the Chiefs have signed Jesus, Allah, and the spirit of the Pope. As per club policy, terms have not been released.
I would love to post more but I have to drive to KC and go to the ticker tape parade for the Hall signing. :)

[NaptownChief]

I heard that the Chiefs went to Cleveland for a D Lineman but heard they were fresh out.

[Sarcastro]

LOl. Not that we've had the greatest offseason (I'm actually pretty happy with it all in all....especially if pryce comes back..and i can't wait to tell everybody i told you so when Gold has a good year) but come on, you chef fans deserve it. I just love that after all the big names all the chef fans said they were gonna get they end up with Bell and this guy. In 10 months it will start all over again with Chef fans proclaiming they've signed Jesus, Alah, and the spirit of the pope.

I don't think you are being fair. The Chiefs are still talking to Miami, and anyone that doesn't think Carl will be willing to trade a 2nd for Surtain if he can't talk Saban down is being foolish. In addition to that we still have the 15th pick in the draft and Carlos Rogers should still be around then.

As a Chiefs fan I am pretty happy with how the offseason has turned out so far. An offseason of Bell, Knight, Surtain, Rogers, and Hall would make me happy. The only major disappointment would be that we still need at least one new OLB that is of starter quality. Not every team has the Browns hookup like you guys.

[Darkhawk24]

If the Chiefs add Bell, Knight, Surtain, and a defensive starter in the first round then I'd think that was a pretty decent off season. Obviously it could have been better if that worked Rolle and or Hartwell in there some how but they will be improved.

As for Denver I don't really know what to think about this whole Browns thing. I liked the Brown deal as it's low cost/High Potential Reward. The rest are a big question mark.

[Darkhawk24]

I heard that the Chiefs went to Cleveland for a D Lineman but heard they were fresh out.


If they wern't then we would be still be talking to them. ugh!~

[bloodsunday]

The Chiefs are still talking to Miami, and anyone that doesn't think Carl will be willing to trade a 2nd for Surtain if he can't talk Saban down is being foolish.

Man I hope so. Surtain is overrated as a shutdown corner. Besides, Denver figured out the value of a shutdown corner last season. Here's to hoping the Chiefs send a 2nd and $20 million over the next two years to Patrick Surtain
:pray:

[MT-Tdawg]

I don't think you are being fair. The Chiefs are still talking to Miami, and anyone that doesn't think Carl will be willing to trade a 2nd for Surtain if he can't talk Saban down is being foolish. In addition to that we still have the 15th pick in the draft and Carlos Rogers should still be around then.

As a Chiefs fan I am pretty happy with how the offseason has turned out so far. An offseason of Bell, Knight, Surtain, Rogers, and Hall would make me happy. The only major disappointment would be that we still need at least one new OLB that is of starter quality. Not every team has the Browns hookup like you guys.


Of course I'm not being fair, this is the Chefs we're talking about. To be honest the Chefs havn't had a bad offseason, if they can get Surtain they had a decent offseason. I'd put it right about par with the moves the Broncos have made. Both teams are taking gambles on players with big potential who have injury problems. Of course after last year the chefs could have signed me to play saftey and it would have been considered a "better" offseason.

[bloodsunday]

The Chiefs acquired defensive end Carlos Hall from the Titans for an undisclosed draft pick.

Guess they figured out that we won't be giving Trevor away.

[ZachKC]

Man I hope so. Surtain is overrated as a shutdown corner. Besides, Denver figured out the value of a shutdown corner last season. Here's to hoping the Chiefs send a 2nd and $20 million over the next two years to Patrick Surtain
:pray:
Heh, this is the great thing about the OM. You stand pat and get ripped on, you try to get players and you get ripped on.

The idea of a shutdown corner may be a myth but that does not mean a great CB would not do all kinds of things to help out this defense and get it playing at a better level....

[ZachKC]

Of course I'm not being fair, this is the Chefs we're talking about. To be honest the Chefs havn't had a bad offseason, if they can get Surtain they had a decent offseason. I'd put it right about par with the moves the Broncos have made. Both teams are taking gambles on players with big potential who have injury problems. Of course after last year the chefs could have signed me to play saftey and it would have been considered a "better" offseason.
If we land Surtain I have no idea how you think that would be "on par" with the Broncos offseason.

[Sarcastro]

If the Chiefs add Bell, Knight, Surtain, and a defensive starter in the first round then I'd think that was a pretty decent off season. Obviously it could have been better if that worked Rolle and or Hartwell in there some how but they will be improved.

As for Denver I don't really know what to think about this whole Browns thing. I liked the Brown deal as it's low cost/High Potential Reward. The rest are a big question mark.

The low point of our offseason has to be the Rolle fiasco. That was such a cluster****.

I am still undecided on Bell/Hartwell. Everyone knows Bell is a great LB when he is healthy, Additionally, everyone knows that he has had problems staying healthy. I am slightly confident in bringing in Bell, because one of things our FO has done well, as opposed to the horribleness of our recent draft history, is judging whether players who have been previously injured will continue to have injury problems. A few examples that come to mind are Trent and Roaf.
I am going to resist judging that signing until after this season is over.

I am more upset that we never even managed to bring in Lucas or Smoot before they signed somewhere else then I am about signing Bell instead of Hartwell.

[Clockwork Orange]

I've said all along that landing Surtain would be a good pickup for KC, but it doesn't look as good when you take into consideration the fact that they could have had Samari Rolle and given up no draft pick had they not botched the deal.

Still, Surtain is very good at what he does and anything that gets Bartee off the field is not a bad thing.

[MT-Tdawg]

If we land Surtain I have no idea how you think that would be "on par" with the Broncos offseason.

Easy. Surtain is overrated (don't start on champ..please). I'd say you guys getting Surtain is equal to us keeping Pryce at a reduced cost....neither of which have actually happened yet.

[Sarcastro]

Easy. Surtain is overrated (don't start on champ..please). I'd say you guys getting Surtain is equal to us keeping Pryce at a reduced cost....neither of which have actually happened yet.

I would say you are wrong.

If we had an offseason of Bell, Knight, Surtain for a 2nd, Hall, and Rogers I would give this offseason a B.

For me to be completely happy a bunch of things would have to happen. First off we would have to get Surtain for a 4th this year and a 2nd next year. Next we would either have to trade up to around the 10th pick in the draft or so and some how manage to get DJ, Merriman, or Rolle. Last off if we didn't get a starting calibur OLB in the first two rounds of the draft we would have to get one in FA. The only two I can really think of are Sharper and Simmons.

[ZachKC]

Easy. Surtain is overrated (don't start on champ..please). I'd say you guys getting Surtain is equal to us keeping Pryce at a reduced cost....neither of which have actually happened yet.
Heh, if that is true do you equate Warren with Bell and Knight with uhhh...Ron Dayne? :kiddingme

[bloodsunday]

Heh, this is the great thing about the OM. You stand pat and get ripped on, you try to get players and you get ripped on.
Well you are on a site for Denver fans....

Besides the point is Surtain is probably not worth all that. Another thing Denver fans understand is a knee jerk reaction to fix a problem. While our offseason acquisitions are high risk, we have relatively little invested in them. If Bell and Surtain don't pan out, your cap could be screwed for several years.

[bloodsunday]

Heh, if that is true do you equate Warren with Bell and Knight with uhhh...Ron Dayne? :kiddingme

Knight is a better pick up than Bell, in my opinion. Bell is about the equivalent of us picking up Courtney Brown, only we have less invested.

[MT-Tdawg]

Heh, if that is true do you equate Warren with Bell and Knight with uhhh...Ron Dayne? :kiddingme


Oh come on now, im not being outrageous. Bell=Brown. Ya ya ya, Bell is soooooo much better, but not really. When HEALTHY, both are a force, to this point neither has proven in the past couple years that they can stay healthy. Maybe throw in EE if you want, then thats a wash. As for Knight, (wow a saftey? what a freakin concept eh chef fans?) I'd say Gold+Warren+Alexander = Knight. In all honesty, to think that either team has a had a much better offseason than the other is just a pipe dream. :puff:

[MT-Tdawg]

Well you are on a site for Denver fans....

Besides the point is Surtain is probably not worth all that. Another thing Denver fans understand is a knee jerk reaction to fix a problem. While our offseason acquisitions are high risk, we have relatively little invested in them. If Bell and Surtain don't pan out, your cap could be screwed for several years.

:pray: amen to that.

[Saulbadguy]

Knight is a better pick up than Bell, in my opinion. Bell is about the equivalent of us picking up Courtney Brown, only we have less invested.
When did Courney Brown make the Pro Bowl? That is an absolutely absurd comparison.

[ZachKC]

When did Courney Brown make the Pro Bowl? That is an absolutely absurd comparison.
He is also adding up multiple players to equal one. :)

[Sarcastro]

Oh come on now, im not being outrageous. Bell=Brown. Ya ya ya, Bell is soooooo much better, but not really. When HEALTHY, both are a force, to this point neither has proven in the past couple years that they can stay healthy. Maybe throw in EE if you want, then thats a wash. As for Knight, (wow a saftey? what a freakin concept eh chef fans?) I'd say Gold+Warren+Alexander = Knight. In all honesty, to think that either team has a had a much better offseason than the other is just a pipe dream. :puff:

I disagree on a few points. I think Bell when healthy has played better then Brown. Bell was a better LB his first and third seasons then Brown has ever been at DE in the NFL.

The other major thing I disagree with Knight = Gold+Warren+Alexander. The only player out of there I think is good is Knight. Infact, I was pissed when he signed with Denver. He would have been an excellent addition to the Chiefs. The problem with Denver signing him is I don't see why they needed another good linebacker when it is already their strongest unit. You guys have other wholes you need to fill. Instead of giving Gold a pretty big contract an 8 million dollar SB you could have traded for Howard instead of signing a bunch of iffy guys from the Browns. It would be like the Chiefs signing a big name player for their OL.

[MT-Tdawg]

When did Courney Brown make the Pro Bowl? That is an absolutely absurd comparison.

Prehaps we can continue this arguement in week 10 when both are on IR? Brown is bigger, so he should keep the bench a little bit warmer, advantage broncos. :dummy:

[bendog]

Surtain would however be a nice pickup cause he'd really help the nickle, with moving Bartee or Mccleon out of starting. Bell was really necessary, if Fujita's gonna have leg problems too. But, K. Mitchell doesn't look like the answer at MLB. Hall should fit in a rotation with Allen. I really don't like Knight, having seen him in his younger days as an 'aint. But, regardless of my personal take on the guy, the move didn't make much sense, because even if you like him, Woods is prolly the Chorfs best saftey, and he's more a SS type too. But, if the defense improves, it'll be because Sims finally makes some plays and the fatty from Oregon plays like Henderson or Stroud. If they get pressure up the middle, the entire d will be a lot better.

Seeing Woods and Knight both in there might convince Sharpe to come back. (-:

[bloodsunday]

When did Courney Brown make the Pro Bowl? That is an absolutely absurd comparison.

Bell made it one season, so that makes him Lawrence Taylor? That is not an absurd comparison. Both could have the same impact, if they are healthy. Bell failed a physical with the Giants which is why the deal took so long to get done, and also why his price came down.

I know several people from Pittsburgh and Bell's OWN TEAMMATES hated him last year. They are glad to see him go. At least Cleveland wanted Brown back.

[bloodsunday]

I disagree on a few points. I think Bell when healthy has played better then Brown. Bell was a better LB his first and third seasons then Brown has ever been at DE in the NFL.
Yeah but they both have talent, both have injuries, and Bell cost about 1000 times as much. I'd say our gamble has a bit less risk.

The problem with Denver signing him is I don't see why they needed another good linebacker when it is already their strongest unit.
So you don't think that Gold is an upgrade over Spragan? Why did the Chiefs trade for Welbourne last season?

[Saulbadguy]

Bell made it one season, so that makes him Lawrence Taylor? That is not an absurd comparison. Both could have the same impact, if they are healthy. Bell failed a physical with the Giants which is why the deal took so long to get done, and also why his price came down.

I know several people from Pittsburgh and Bell's OWN TEAMMATES hated him last year. They are glad to see him go. At least Cleveland wanted Brown back.
One season..thats one more season than Courtney Brown has "made it". Also, Kendrell Bell had a good 2003 season. 2002 wasn't bad, he just missed 4 games due to injury.

[Sarcastro]

Surtain would however be a nice pickup cause he'd really help the nickle, with moving Bartee or Mccleon out of starting. Bell was really necessary, if Fujita's gonna have leg problems too. But, K. Mitchell doesn't look like the answer at MLB. Hall should fit in a rotation with Allen. I really don't like Knight, having seen him in his younger days as an 'aint. But, regardless of my personal take on the guy, the move didn't make much sense, because even if you like him, Woods is prolly the Chorfs best saftey, and he's more a SS type too. But, if the defense improves, it'll be because Sims finally makes some plays and the fatty from Oregon plays like Henderson or Stroud. If they get pressure up the middle, the entire d will be a lot better.

Seeing Woods and Knight both in there might convince Sharpe to come back. (-:

First off, what the hell are you talking about in regards to Fujita's leg problems? Are you thinking of Barber? Barber will probably be out for the rest of next year. He plays WLB. Fujita plays strong side and Bell will play MLB. The only way Mitchell is going to start is if he some how manages to win the spot at WLB.

Secondly, Woods is not an SS type. He wasn't much of anything least year, but he played FS. He went to the probowl as a FS. He played nickle in 2003. Right now he is not much of anything because he has lost all his speed. I don't get all the hate on Knight. I am not homer enough to think he is fantastic, but he certainly is solid. That is more then can be said for Woods or Wesley. Over his entire career Knight averages 95+ tackles and 4+ INTs a season. He did not drop off while with Miami and had 98 and 96 tackles his two seasons there.

I do agree that more pressure from DT would help a great deal, but our defensive line was decent last year despite Sims poor play. It still didn't matter that much because of the poor play from our LBs and the extremly poor play from our secondary.

[bloodsunday]

Also, Kendrell Bell had a good 2003 season. 2002 wasn't bad, he just missed 4 games due to injury.
Too bad he wasn't playing for KC in 2002 and 2003.

[Sarcastro]

Yeah but they both have talent, both have injuries, and Bell cost about 1000 times as much. I'd say our gamble has a bit less risk.


So you don't think that Gold is an upgrade over Spragan? Why did the Chiefs trade for Welbourne last season?

There are still some of us pondering the trade for Welbourn. Gold is good, but I don't think having a slightly better linebacking core will boost the defense as much as the addition of a guy like Howard to the D-line would. If you guys can't get pressure on the QB you will be in the same boat as last year.

Too bad he wasn't playing for KC in 2002 and 2003.

I don't see how this is relevant.

[bendog]

Too bad he wasn't playing for KC in 2002 and 2003.

No it was gooooood (-:

Bell is prolly a better fit, personnel wise, cause with Barber and Fujita there are some leg issues, I think. Hartwell (sp) would have had an impact in that he is supposed to be a tough guy, and the chiefs don't have any tough guys on defense. But, he's a run stop MLB type. The chiefs just need too much to fill in FA.

[Sarcastro]

No it was gooooood (-:

Bell is prolly a better fit, personnel wise, cause with Barber and Fujita there are some leg issues, I think. Hartwell (sp) would have had an impact in that he is supposed to be a tough guy, and the chiefs don't have any tough guys on defense. But, he's a run stop MLB type. The chiefs just need too much to fill in FA.

Again, Fujita doesn't have any leg issues. Barber is the only crippled LB.