Pryce Doesn't Want to Be Eddie Kennison: "Passed Around Like Trash!"

[clint7]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3675788,00.html

Pryce:
"I don't want to be one of those guys that bounces around," he said. "I don't want to be Eddie Kennison, with every team he's played for tattooed on his arm. That is so disgusting. You've been passed around like trash."

LOL rofl LOL Hilarious!

[Atlas]

Pryce sees end to traveling talk



Broncos veteran expects he'll be in Denver's plans

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
April 5, 2005

As expected, Trevor Pryce soon could be on the move.

But, after all the off-season talk about his pending departure from Denver, the four-time Pro Bowl selection might end up traveling only a few steps from his usual spot on the Broncos' defensive line - from power end to the primary pass-rushing position previously manned by the likes of Bert Berry and Reggie Hayward.

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Pryce said he fully expects to fill that pass-rushing role, with free-agent pickup Courtney Brown manning the strong-side end position.

That scenario is only one of several reasons that a relationship between player and team that seemingly was headed for divorce in recent months instead appears headed for reconciliation.

"It's kind of like, 'OK, now I need to stay,' " Pryce added.

Team officials could not be reached for comment, but the defensive end gauges the odds he will return to the Broncos at "the very least" 50 percent - and probably better than that.

"I think it's pretty much a done thing," said Pryce, who strongly dismissed the possibilities of being released or traded.

He predicted that, given the current climate, a compromise contract agreement could be reached within a week and no later than a month.

"That's why I'm here working out," he said on the day the team opened its off-season conditioning program, in which he was an active participant.

Pryce's appearance Monday spoke volumes about where his relationship with the team stands. The defensive end felt obligated, and excited, to participate in conditioning, in part, he said, because he's feeling better physically than he has in some time.

He also wanted to send a message to his teammates.

"It was more about, if I am here, I want these guys to see me the first day," he said.

Pryce's $9.167 million salary-cap hit remains a sticking point for the Broncos, particularly with the team only about $40,000 from the league's spending limit.

He conceded he could be wrong in making such a positive assessment about his future with the Broncos, but he doesn't believe he is.

Pryce pointed to a recent meeting with coach Mike Shanahan that helped open the lines of communication to where there seems to be a willingness on both sides to forge a compromise, short of an outright pay cut.

The Broncos publicly put the defensive end on the trade block in March. But with Sept. 22 back surgery limiting Pryce to two appearances last season and Denver seeking at least a first-round draft pick for Pryce, there have been no takers.

In that case, the Broncos were expected to release him, but they apparently have reconsidered.

"I think they changed their tune a little bit because there was some talk about me landing in Kansas City and some other places that they wouldn't want me to land at," Pryce said.

Oakland, another AFC West rival, also expressed interest in Pryce. And St. Louis, the New York Giants and Dallas were expected to bid on his services if he was let go.

Though Pryce sees his release as a long shot, he said, "If I am a free agent, I won't be a free agent for long, I know that."

There has been precious little certainty tied to Pryce recently. He previously dismissed the possibility of returning to the Broncos but says he could be comfortable with the team despite the events of the off-season.

"I don't want to be one of those guys that bounces around," he said. "I don't want to be Eddie Kennison, with every team he's played for tattooed on his arm. That is so disgusting. You've been passed around like trash."

The Broncos' recent additions of four free-agent defensive linemen - Brown, Gerard Warren, Michael Myers and Ebenezer Ekuban - seemed to cement Pryce's departure, if only by sheer volume. Pryce instead viewed those moves as Shanahan addressing the rest of the front four before focusing on his situation. That theory seemed to make sense, Pryce said, after he met with the coach after the influx.

Pryce, sporting a Mohawk in its formative stages, appeared fit and trim Monday after going through his conditioning workout with only normal first-day soreness.

Acupuncture treatments apparently have cured the numbness that ran from his hip down his right leg last season and robbed him of power.

He has been playing indoor soccer, riding his bicycle extensively and doing cross-training exercises "to retrain my body" before beginning football-intensive exercises.

"If we can keep Trevor and throw him back into the mix, it will be out of sight," Broncos linebacker Ian Gold said. "I really feel that way."

Pryce is even looking forward to the football grind he missed in his abbreviated 2004 season. "I do feel younger than I have felt in a very long time," he said.

[Atlas]

Him moving to rush end is very intrigueing!!

Kennison slam is wonderful!!!

[clint7]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3675788,00.html

Pryce:
"I don't want to be one of those guys that bounces around," he said. "I don't want to be Eddie Kennison, with every team he's played for tattooed on his arm. That is so disgusting. You've been passed around like trash."

LOL rofl LOL Hilarious!

With a comment like that, Pryce is welcome back with open arms by me! :)

"Passed around like trash." Hilarious!

[CBF1]

Personally, I do not even think that highly of quitterson.

[Odysseus]

Pryce has a way of making a huge impact. I wonder what the Browns players feel like getting called out like this? Love the Kennison crack!

I think moving him to the "kill slot" allows him to compete with Hayward and Berry in a real way professionally. He can finally prove whose the big dog and pay the Broncos back by breaking off a piece.

If this happens and the Broncos pick up a couple more FA fillers on defense I predict some offenses get exposed early for being the pretenders they have always been.

[MT-Tdawg]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3675788,00.html

Pryce:
"I don't want to be one of those guys that bounces around," he said. "I don't want to be Eddie Kennison, with every team he's played for tattooed on his arm. That is so disgusting. You've been passed around like trash."

LOL rofl LOL Hilarious!


:~ohyah!: :laugh: Kennison just got owned.

[orange crusher]

Great comment on that piece of trash Quitterson! ROFL! LOL Hilarious!

[fontaine]

He predicted that, given the current climate, a compromise contract agreement could be reached within a week and no later than a month.

"That's why I'm here working out," he said on the day the team opened its off-season conditioning program, in which he was an active participant.

Pryce's appearance Monday spoke volumes about where his relationship with the team stands. The defensive end felt obligated, and excited, to participate in conditioning, in part, he said, because he's feeling better physically than he has in some time.

He also wanted to send a message to his teammates.

"It was more about, if I am here, I want these guys to see me the first day," he said.

Here's a big 4321~ to all the people with an itchy trigger finger who jumped on his back and called him a traitor, etc, etc.

[watermock]

Here's a big 4321~ to all the people with an itchy trigger finger who jumped on his back and called him a traitor, etc, etc.

Wrong. All indications were he would be gone. He finally figured out that his best financial option is to try to stay here. There isn't a team in the league that would pay him more than 3 million this year, not even Minnesota. Noone called him a traitor. It's so obvious that even Fontaine should be able to figure it out. The Market ISN'T THERE for an injured, 30 year old DT with a penchant for acupuncture on his back.

This doesn't take any spin at all. Pryce is doing what's best for Pryce, it's just that he's finally realizing what that exactly is. I'm totally opposed to rolling his salary and remaining SB into 3 extra years. The deal has to be redone, just like it would if he were traded. Period.

Rolling 9 million, the 2.5 million next year, then rolling even half of his salary into SB would create a SB in a new contract of at least 15 million over 5 years, and that isn't even counting the SB for an extra two years, so don't be surprised if this deal is an eyepopper that puts his cap number at about 5 million per. At least.

Denver no doubt is hoping the new Dish Network deal will make it work. If he breaks down again, Denver is screwed unless the deal is worked right. If Pryce wants to play RDE, more power to him, but to think this guy is broken and is coming back for the good of the lowly fan, think again. He's just figuring out reality with his own self interest.

Besides, he will never, ever come close to Tatoo boy. The next contract he signs will likely be his last as an impact player.

[fontaine]

There isn't a team in the league that would pay him more than 3 million this year, not even Minnesota. Noone called him a traitor. It's so obvious that even Fontaine should be able to figure it out. The Market ISN'T THERE for an injured, 30 year old DT with a penchant for acupuncture on his back.

Yeah, I guess injured DL like Courtney Brown, John Abraham had no market either.

This doesn't take any spin at all. Pryce is doing what's best for Pryce, it's just that he's finally realizing what that exactly is. I'm totally opposed to rolling his salary and remaining SB into 3 extra years. The deal has to be redone, just like it would if he were traded. Period.

Rolling 9 million, the 2.5 million next year, then rolling even half of his salary into SB would create a SB in a new contract of at least 15 million over 5 years, and that isn't even counting the SB for an extra two years, so don't be surprised if this deal is an eyepopper that puts his cap number at about 5 million per. At least.

Denver no doubt is hoping the new Dish Network deal will make it work. If he breaks down again, Denver is screwed unless the deal is worked right. If Pryce wants to play RDE, more power to him, but to think this guy is broken and is coming back for the good of the lowly fan, think again. He's just figuring out reality with his own self interest.

Besides, he will never, ever come close to Tatoo boy. The next contract he signs will likely be his last as an impact player.

Yeah that's fine and all, u want this team to keep playing cap dollars.

I want this team to play football and win now, in 2005.

If they keep improving in their drafting and with the increasing salary cap, a restructured deal for Trevor shouldn't hurt the team.

[Taco John]

Mock's been nailing this... But even still, it behooves the Broncos to find a way to keep Pryce. Yes, indeed, Pryce is doing what's best for Pryce. But it's obvious he wants to be in Denver. He played his cards, and the Broncos played theirs... In the end, it looks like both will get a fair peice of eachother.

Keeping Pryce in the fold means that we are there on Defense. We'll have a good rotation of DTs, and a defensive end rotation to recon with.

Get ready for the hype... We're going to hear story after story about how great these guys are looking... How happy the coaches are... Etc. And that may be the case. But this thing is about November and December.

[Odysseus]

Get ready for the hype... We're going to hear story after story about how great these guys are looking... How happy the coaches are... Etc. And that may be the case. But this thing is about November and December.

I love the Michael Meyers connection in your signature. Sweet! He doesn't get that much press but watch this guy. He is what made the Droughns move really sweet. If the Broncos use him right he's going to create havoc.

All Hype aside even with Pryce our defense is not that big of a deal.

We are still short the step up saftey, CB4, CB5 and hopefully a CB6. They probably need to have one of the CB convert to safety and be able to play both spots. They probably need to pull the linebackers aside and teach them ALL how to play DE and tricks for getting inside. It's a different position. They are going to have to hit them hard with focus drills looking for the picks. This is all coaching stuff. They need to do it.

Our guys have to be able to do MORE better which isn't easy. THe Championship starts now and if they don't play like they mean it now you won't hear of anything positive in the fall other than "I am sure we could have..." or "We had the talent but we..."

The big deal is once things are signed Broncos can focus on getting to the next level. If they think just signing Trevor has cured all ills then they are already done. They need to be about the work of winning not the talk.

Pryce owes the fans a 10 sack season. Let's get this signed.

[crazyhorse]

Speaking of trash, didn't Kennison trash your 63 million dollar corner?

Being passed around is not the same thing as walking out the door on your own terms. Kennison more accurately passed on the Broncos, to play for the Chiefs. I'm figuring, it didn't take him long to figure out what Shanahan is all about.

I mean, he is part of the best offense in the league the past 3 seasons.

It's not tough to see just how hurt the Bronco fans and team still is about Kennison leaving them at the alter.

I think I speak for the Chiefs and thier fans when I say, we are happy with the way things turned out.

[Darkhawk24]

Well said Trevor!

[baja]

Speaking of trash, didn't Kennison trash your 63 million dollar corner?

Being passed around is not the same thing as walking out the door on your own terms. Kennison more accurately passed on the Broncos, to play for the Chiefs. I'm figuring, it didn't take him long to figure out what Shanahan is all about.

I mean, he is part of the best offense in the league the past 3 seasons.

It's not tough to see just how hurt the Bronco fans and team still is about Kennison leaving them at the alter.

I think I speak for the Chiefs and thier fans when I say, we are happy with the way things turned out.

Kenninson quit the night before a game plain and simple no other way to spin it.

The reason he has stuck in KC is because him and Dicky can sit down and have a good cry when things don't go just right.

Another thing guess you missed the article stating that Kenninson called Mike Shannon for advice and had a long apologetic talk with him. The article went on to say how much Kenninson respects Shanahan

[fontaine]

Being passed around is not the same thing as walking out the door on your own terms. Kennison more accurately passed on the Broncos, to play for the Chiefs. I'm figuring, it didn't take him long to figure out what Shanahan is all about.

You're a dumbass.

http://www.nfl.com/ce/multi/0%2C3783%2C4523898%2C00.html
Broncos: Kennison cut for team's sake

NFL.com wire reports


DENVER (Nov. 14, 2001) -- After four days of controversy and conflicting statements, the Denver Broncos released wide receiver Eddie Kennison.

Saying it was in the best interest of the team, coach Mike Shanahan reached the decision after meeting with his players and coaches earlier in the day.

On Saturday night, about 16 hours before kickoff against San Diego, Kennison told Shanahan he lost his love of the game and was retiring.

The timing of the announcement -- after Kennison took all of the snaps in practice as a starting receiver during the week -- angered the Broncos and forced the coaches and backup receivers to make frantic adjustments for Sunday's game.

Shanahan ordered Kennison to leave the team hotel, and the receiver was inactive for the game.

In a subsequent statement, Kennison said he wasn't retiring, noting that the illnesses of his wife and father, and disappointment over his lack of productivity on the field led to his meeting with Shanahan.

Kennison contacted Shanahan on Monday and, according to the coach, said he was "unretiring."

Shanahan delayed a decision on Kennison's fate until consulting with players and coaches.

[crazyhorse]

You're a dumbass.

http://www.nfl.com/ce/multi/0%2C3783%2C4523898%2C00.html
Broncos: Kennison cut for team's sake

NFL.com wire reports


DENVER (Nov. 14, 2001) -- After four days of controversy and conflicting statements, the Denver Broncos released wide receiver Eddie Kennison.

Saying it was in the best interest of the team, coach Mike Shanahan reached the decision after meeting with his players and coaches earlier in the day.

On Saturday night, about 16 hours before kickoff against San Diego, Kennison told Shanahan he lost his love of the game and was retiring.

The timing of the announcement -- after Kennison took all of the snaps in practice as a starting receiver during the week -- angered the Broncos and forced the coaches and backup receivers to make frantic adjustments for Sunday's game.

Shanahan ordered Kennison to leave the team hotel, and the receiver was inactive for the game.

In a subsequent statement, Kennison said he wasn't retiring, noting that the illnesses of his wife and father, and disappointment over his lack of productivity on the field led to his meeting with Shanahan.

Kennison contacted Shanahan on Monday and, according to the coach, said he was "unretiring."

Shanahan delayed a decision on Kennison's fate until consulting with players and coaches.

Still sounds like he didn't want to play when he was with the Broncos.
The Chiefs have not suffered from Kennisons "loss of love of the game".

If I didn't know better, I would guess he still loves it.

It was great for you to share the coaches side of the story though.

You also might take note that EK "didn't retire", he immediately joined the Chiefs club. I'm betting when Shanny said he couldn't come back, EK was absolutely devastated.

[dumpy]

You also might take note that EK "didn't retire", he immediately joined the Chiefs club. I'm betting when Shanny said he couldn't come back, EK was absolutely devastated.

Exactly! where does trash go after it has been taken out? To the dump! Hence, Arrowhead had to be the logical choice for Quitterson.

[bloodsunday]

The Market ISN'T THERE for an injured, 30 year old DT with a penchant for acupuncture on his back.

C'mmon, you know better than that. If he were released, he would be one of the top 5 or 10 free agents to hit the market this offseason. People would line up to get a shot at him. And, he would likely get a huge deal. Granted, that deal will likely be a combo of bonus and either a back-loaded deal or an incentive laden deal. Nonetheless, he could get money elsewhere.

What player his age hasn't missed some time due to injury? It's not like he has a habit of missing time (Courtney Brown). Is anyone worried about Ian Gold's knee right now? If Trevor comes back and plays 16 games, it won't even be a factor next season.

All this talk about his age and injury accomplish two things: 1) it makes his potential release palatable to fans and 2) it allows possible suitors to talk the Broncos down on their asking price. Everyone (Trevor, his agent, Bronocs, suitors) believes Trevor is 100% (or close) right now.

[bloodsunday]

I want this team to play football and win now, in 2005.

I couldn't agree more. If they aren't serious about winning this season or don't believe they have a real shot, then they need to blow it up to purge this cap. I am not satisified with "above average" as our team goal.

[bloodsunday]

Keeping Pryce in the fold means that we are there on Defense. We'll have a good rotation of DTs, and a defensive end rotation to recon with.

It also gives us some flexibility with our first round pick. We can take the best player, not force a need. In fact, I wouldn't mind trading down for more picks if the right possibility presents itself.

[bloodsunday]

We are still short the step up saftey, CB4, CB5 and hopefully a CB6. They probably need to have one of the CB convert to safety and be able to play both spots.

If this is the worst hole on our roster, then I can live with that. Everyone has some question on their roster. Besides, we have guys their with potential and we have the entire draft coming up. I could see a guy like Roc Alexander, Jeff Shoate, or Jeremy LeSur stepping up. I personally am more concerned about whether or not Lenny Walls and Willie Middlebrooks can play the whole season.

Keep in mind that if we don't draw the short straw again this year (going to Indy) then those positions won't be as important unless we suffer a ton of injuries. People are freaked out about how bad Indy has killed us the past 2 year -- and it was very, very ugly -- but what team would want to play Indy in a playoff game in that dome?

[Needa Pass Rush]

C'mmon, you know better than that. If he were released, he would be one of the top 5 or 10 free agents to hit the market this offseason. People would line up to get a shot at him. And, he would likely get a huge deal. Granted, that deal will likely be a combo of bonus and either a back-loaded deal or an incentive laden deal. Nonetheless, he could get money elsewhere.

What player his age hasn't missed some time due to injury? It's not like he has a habit of missing time (Courtney Brown). Is anyone worried about Ian Gold's knee right now? If Trevor comes back and plays 16 games, it won't even be a factor next season.

All this talk about his age and injury accomplish two things: 1) it makes his potential release palatable to fans and 2) it allows possible suitors to talk the Broncos down on their asking price. Everyone (Trevor, his agent, Bronocs, suitors) believes Trevor is 100% (or close) right now.

Just a guess here, but I suspect Mock means that Pryce would not be able to get a contract anywhere near his current paygrade (approaching 10M?). He would probably command a contract as limp as Courtney's. Pretty simple.

[bloodsunday]

I think I speak for the Chiefs and thier fans when I say, we are happy with the way things turned out.

Did you put some reefer in the BBQ sauce or what? KC has been trying, almost desperately, to upgrade their WR position for several years now. If your defense wasn't as porous as a strainer they probably would have by now. By the way, congrats on having "the best offense in football", but when was the last time you won a playoff game? Your window is closing fast and you haven't even won a playoff game.

By the way, how tough did Eddie look with Al Wilson's helmet in his f*ing rib cage. You know he fumbled on that play; he just got lucky that "down by contact" isn't reviewable.

[Needa Pass Rush]

It also gives us some flexibility with our first round pick. We can take the best player, not force a need. In fact, I wouldn't mind trading down for more picks if the right possibility presents itself.

How about a trade down for a '05 2nd and 3rd and an '06 1st. Does this make sense? Maybe the 3rd would be a 4th instead. Something along these lines to fill in more first day/mid round picks and help stock us for next year, as well.

[bloodsunday]

Just a guess here, but I suspect Mock means that Pryce would not be able to get a contract anywhere near his current paygrade (approaching 10M?). He would probably command a contract as limp as Courtney's. Pretty simple.

That's not true. He has already been paid the bonus, which is nearly half of that 10 mil. That money has been in the bank since the day he signed the deal, its just prorated for salary cap purposes. Thus, some team would only have to pay him 5 mil this season to match his current deal. He could probably get a 5 million dollar bonus (easy) for a new deal as a free agent, which would be payable the day he signs the deal. Combine that with what ever he makes as salary and he'd probably make more money this season.

I suspect he could get a deal similar to what Reggie Hayword got if he were released. In that case, he makes more money this season.

[bloodsunday]

How about a trade down for a '05 2nd and 3rd and an '06 1st. Does this make sense? Maybe the 3rd would be a 4th instead. Something along these lines to fill in more first day/mid round picks and help stock us for next year, as well.

Something along those lines sounds good to me. To be honest, I am not a draft expert in terms of knowing what is value for value when trading picks. But I do know that where we pick might as well be in the 2nd round. There is almost always a team desperate to upgrade (Buffalo?) that will move up and get a guy they want. Why reach on a player like Demarcus Ware or Matt Jones late in the 1st round when you could get more picks and have a shot at those guys in the 2nd?

The Broncos must get more out of their draft picks if they are going to improve this team. They seem to have a good handle on the cap and free agents (the mistakes are lessening), but the draft is still isn't panning out. I mean, they draft NFL caliber players, but those players don't often see success with our team for a variety of reasons. What's worse, we get a good player and groom him for success and then watch him walk away (Kennoy, Hayword). These guys need to be locked up earlier and part of a foundation for this team's future.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Something along those lines sounds good to me. To be honest, I am not a draft expert in terms of knowing what is value for value when trading picks. But I do know that where we pick might as well be in the 2nd round. There is almost always a team desperate to upgrade (Buffalo?) that will move up and get a guy they want. Why reach on a player like Demarcus Ware or Matt Jones late in the 1st round when you could get more picks and have a shot at those guys in the 2nd?

The Broncos must get more out of their draft picks if they are going to improve this team. They seem to have a good handle on the cap and free agents (the mistakes are lessening), but the draft is still isn't panning out. I mean, they draft NFL caliber players, but those players don't often see success with our team for a variety of reasons. What's worse, we get a good player and groom him for success and then watch him walk away (Kennoy, Hayword). These guys need to be locked up earlier and part of a foundation for this team's future.

I think a fat SB (even of 5M) is a stretch on a player yet to prove he has his back back. Not being completely up to speed on the exact numbers on Pryces current contract, I know that his SALARY($$$ not yet paid) numbers get substantially bigger as he works deeper into the contract. Most of those dollars are not likely tied to performance the way that a new contract likely would be.

At any rate, if you were more right then me, I doubt we would be reading Pryce's words of reconciliation in today's papers. Seems like he would have a more "Go ahead... CUT ME!" attitude. Either way, I am hopeful that he is back with the Broncos... healthy!

[Needa Pass Rush]

Something along those lines sounds good to me. To be honest, I am not a draft expert in terms of knowing what is value for value when trading picks. But I do know that where we pick might as well be in the 2nd round. There is almost always a team desperate to upgrade (Buffalo?) that will move up and get a guy they want. Why reach on a player like Demarcus Ware or Matt Jones late in the 1st round when you could get more picks and have a shot at those guys in the 2nd?

The Broncos must get more out of their draft picks if they are going to improve this team. They seem to have a good handle on the cap and free agents (the mistakes are lessening), but the draft is still isn't panning out. I mean, they draft NFL caliber players, but those players don't often see success with our team for a variety of reasons. What's worse, we get a good player and groom him for success and then watch him walk away (Kennoy, Hayword). These guys need to be locked up earlier and part of a foundation for this team's future.


Welcome to the 'Mane, Bloodsunday. I enjoy your takes. Keep posting! I guess referring to you as BS is not a good idea! ;D

[bloodsunday]

I think a fat SB (even of 5M) is a stretch on a player yet to prove he has his back back.

It's not a stretch because of two reasons: 1) he fills a role that EVERY team is desperate to have and 2) he doesn't have an injury history. He was injured one season. It is true that he missed more time than expected, but the injury is one that a player typically overcomes. If he were Courtney Brown, where he missed large parts of multiple seasons, his injury would be a bigger factor. There is no doubt that KC, Dallas, St. Louis, or the NY Giants would give him a sizeable signing bonus (maybe double digits) if he were a free agent.

Remember, one man's junk is another man's treasure. After all, we took the entire Cleveland d-line despite the fact that they underachieved and were injured.

[bloodsunday]

Welcome to the 'Mane, Bloodsunday. I enjoy your takes. Keep posting! I guess referring to you as BS is not a good idea! ;D

Thanks. I like the 'Mane. While not everyone share's my views, I'm not sure BS is the right acronym :)

[bendog]

Great news if he's really back. pun intended. It'll be interesting to see how they deflect his cap hit. I hope they just don't extend it, because it'll eventually be dead money someday.

[TheNextStep]

I don't like Eddie Kennison. He's a quitter and what he did to the Broncos was wrong and bush-league, no matter how anybody tries to justify it after the fact. I said at the time that Kennison was a punk and that still stands.

That said, Trevor just coming out of the blue and publicly blasting Kennison with no provocation like that - years later - is pretty low rent. Just my honest opinion.

[fontaine]

It's not a stretch because of two reasons: 1) he fills a role that EVERY team is desperate to have and 2) he doesn't have an injury history. He was injured one season. It is true that he missed more time than expected, but the injury is one that a player typically overcomes. If he were Courtney Brown, where he missed large parts of multiple seasons, his injury would be a bigger factor. There is no doubt that KC, Dallas, St. Louis, or the NY Giants would give him a sizeable signing bonus (maybe double digits) if he were a free agent.

Exactly. There were four, count'em four teams interested in Courtney Brown and that's not including the Browns who wanted him back that offered similar deals: Incentive based but with plenty of money attached.

Courtney Brown ended up on IR each of the past 4 seasons and can't fully participate in offseason conditioning.

Pryce has been playing indoor soccer, is ready to go AND came back to play that last game in 2004.

If Denver was stupid enough to give Daryl Gardener around $5million to sign and he had an iffy back (I think that's right), then two year's on, another team can give Pryce at least that much who had no character issues.

[bloodsunday]

It'll be interesting to see how they deflect his cap hit. I hope they just don't extend it, because it'll eventually be dead money someday.

Unless he is willing to take an actual pay cut (which I doubt) then they will almost certainly convert some of the salary to bonus money to defer the cap hit. I am in murky waters here, but I understand that our cap situation gets significantly better next year. I think we get past some of the major hits we have taken in dead money lately (Griese, Gardner, etc...).

[bendog]

Kennison is just bitchslap fodder. It's like an OJ or Michael Jackson quip.

[bloodsunday]

That said, Trevor just coming out of the blue and publicly blasting Kennison with no provocation like that - years later - is pretty low rent. Just my honest opinion.

Yeah, its old news, let's move on. I will say that sitting at Invesco Field as Portis ran for his 5th TD, when Eddie predicted they were "going to put something on our ass", was second only to watching the Super Bowl wins. Of course, that could be because I had Portis in my FFL :)

[bloodsunday]

Kennison is just bitchslap fodder. It's like an OJ or Michael Jackson quip.

And he has earned the right to be mentioned with this group. Aside from his public antics, how about the fact that he's an average NFL player (at best) and celebrates every catch like he won the Super Bowl?

[bendog]

Unless he is willing to take an actual pay cut (which I doubt) then they will almost certainly convert some of the salary to bonus money to defer the cap hit. I am in murky waters here, but I understand that our cap situation gets significantly better next year. I think we get past some of the major hits we have taken in dead money lately (Griese, Gardner, etc...).

Not just bonus, but "some" money can pass under cap scrutiny if its converted to incentives. I am sort of curious what incentives would pass as not being "likely to achieve" in Pryce's case. How would the League figure an incentive like "taking 75% of the snaps in 14 reg season games?" What about meeting his former sack and tackle numbers?

And the bigger question has been is how much is Pryce willing to gamble of his base salary under his current contract to remain a bronco?

(I hate linking R66d6r sites)

http://www.vertgame.com/sal_cap.html

[bloodsunday]

Not just bonus, but "some" money can pass under cap scrutiny if its converted to incentives. I am sort of curious what incentives would pass as not being "likely to achieve" in Pryce's case. How would the League figure an incentive like "taking 75% of the snaps in 14 reg season games?" What about meeting his former sack and tackle numbers?

I hope he would change some of it to incentives, but they would have to be achievable. I doubt he would take incentives that are tied to sack number, but maybe to the number of games or snaps he plays. Perhaps, they could add a Pro Bowl incentive? Observing Trevor and his typical stance on these issues, I would doubt he is going to be willing to do much that lowers his chances of getting his $$$$.

[bendog]

As usual this board has at least two threads on the same topic. But, yeah, the pt is that to pass league and union scrutiny, any base converted to incentives would have to be "likely to achieve." The broncos know that the issue isnt' really how much they pay Pryce, because he's already gotten the signing bonus, and that's going to count against Den's cap regardless of which team he goes to camp wiith in July. But tying up 9.5 mil in cap for a guy who may not take any snaps is insane.

If the base is converted to "likely to achieve" it would still count against the cap IF IT"S EARNED. But if Trevor did a Jeff Chandler and didn't take any snaps, or didn't meet the incentive targets, Den would be credited the cap dollars BACK next year. That's why I think the question is how much is Pryce willing to gamble? And what would another team pay him in terms of signing bonus and base?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not just bonus, but "some" money can pass under cap scrutiny if its converted to incentives. I am sort of curious what incentives would pass as not being "likely to achieve" in Pryce's case. How would the League figure an incentive like "taking 75% of the snaps in 14 reg season games?" What about meeting his former sack and tackle numbers?


Unless one of his incentives is to play in 2 games, any incentive that Trevor puts in his contract will be deemed "Not Likely to be Earned" by the League. The League looks at the previous season when determining what is likely and not likely to be earned. Every "not likely" incentive he does hit this year, would hit on the '06 cap.

[bendog]

ahhhhh. Interesting.

[Ballhawk]

Unless one of his incentives is to play in 2 games, any incentive that Trevor puts in his contract will be deemed "Not Likely to be Earned" by the League. The League looks at the previous season when determining what is likely and not likely to be earned. Every "not likely" incentive he does hit this year, would hit on the '06 cap.

Herc, I just can't find a way to see Pryce staying and it working out cap wise. I was really hoping we could use that money to lock up a couple young guys this year and spread the wealth so to speak next year and get a little more bang for the buck.

Where would his contract need to come in to accomplish the aforementioned moves?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Where would his contract need to come in to accomplish the aforementioned moves?

Find a way to save $4M or so with whatever they do

[TheDave]

Everyone needs to keep in mind that the Salary cp could explode in the next year or 2. Every estimate i have seen has the cap at 100+ mil after the new TV deals are announced. That might make pryces contract alot more affordable.

[ro_50]

I love the quote by Pryce.

[ZachKC]

Trevor Price Is The Insult Master!

[Darkhawk24]

Trevor Price Is The Insult Master!


Belie dat!

[bendog]

Find a way to save $4M or so with whatever they do
Seems to me that the possibilities are pretty much unlimited. A Convert the base to bonus and extend a year or two (not my preference); B convert to "likely to be achieved," which would be play in one or two games, and that would count in 05 cap dollars, and be credited back in 06 if unearned, or C convert into unlikely to be earned, which would count in each year's cap following the incentive being met.

C saves the team in 05. And, if Treavor is unhealthy, they'll never count against the cap. But, to give the team this, I'd think Treavor would get some up front bonus money.

[Arkie]

Speaking of trash, didn't Kennison trash your 63 million dollar corner?

Being passed around is not the same thing as walking out the door on your own terms. Kennison more accurately passed on the Broncos, to play for the Chiefs. I'm figuring, it didn't take him long to figure out what Shanahan is all about.

I mean, he is part of the best offense in the league the past 3 seasons.

It's not tough to see just how hurt the Bronco fans and team still is about Kennison leaving them at the alter.

I think I speak for the Chiefs and thier fans when I say, we are happy with the way things turned out.

Kennison didn't walk out on his own terms. He quit, then begged to come back. The Broncos had a team meeting and voted unanimously to leave the quitter off the team. Obviously, Price is still disgusted with Quitterson and took the opportunity to call him trash. You make it seem like he was our best receiver and jumped ship for a better offense. He wasn't even a starter in Denver.

[Taco John]

Still sounds like he didn't want to play when he was with the Broncos.
The Chiefs have not suffered from Kennisons "loss of love of the game".




Usually you guys are suffering from his "loss of the football that hit his hands."

[atwater58]

If anyone gets the insider for ESPN.com post the Mel Kiper article they just put up on Aaron Rodgers.

[sirhcyennek81]

Kennison is trash, if he is KC's best receiver...

[ZachKC]

if he is KC's best receiver...
Makes our offense sound even more impressive over the years...

[Atlas]

Wrong. All indications were he would be gone. He finally figured out that his best financial option is to try to stay here. There isn't a team in the league that would pay him more than 3 million this year, not even Minnesota. Noone called him a traitor. It's so obvious that even Fontaine should be able to figure it out. The Market ISN'T THERE for an injured, 30 year old DT with a penchant for acupuncture on his back.

.

The fact is that no one here knew what Pryce was thinking, no one here knows what Shanny has been saying to him behind the scenes. Even if he does still leave it is obvious that people still jumped the gun on this whole thing.

[Mediator12]

Makes our offense sound even more impressive over the years...

Read OL, Gonzalez, and Priest Zach. Any news on Will Shields decision to come back or retire?

[RaiderH8r]

Still sounds like he didn't want to play when he was with the Broncos.
The Chiefs have not suffered from Kennisons "loss of love of the game".

If I didn't know better, I would guess he still loves it.

It was great for you to share the coaches side of the story though.

You also might take note that EK "didn't retire", he immediately joined the Chiefs club. I'm betting when Shanny said he couldn't come back, EK was absolutely devastated.
Quitterson quit, he cried. Dick 4meal liked his tear production and his dabbing technique to dry his eyes after a good, long bawl so he thought he would give skillet-mits a chance. Quitterson is still a whore.

[bloodsunday]

Read OL, Gonzalez, and Priest Zach. Any news on Will Shields decision to come back or retire?

Right on. Anyone that thinks Eddie the quitter is the reason for their success is crazy. The Chiefs have been dying to upgrade this position for several years now.

[ZachKC]

Read OL, Gonzalez, and Priest Zach. Any news on Will Shields decision to come back or retire?
The word is mum right now. I personally think he will be back but its not for sure.

[ZachKC]

Thats part of my point...the Chiefs offense doing as well as it has with their top WR only being solid and a little above average is amazing.

He gets under the Broncos skin so much that it is worth keeping him around for that only. He is usually good for 100+ games and multiple TDs against you guys as well.

[bloodsunday]

Thats part of my point...the Chiefs offense doing as well as it has with their top WR only being solid and a little above average is amazing.


Agreed. Your offense is good, despite the trash and whores at WR. Your offense could be Indy good with a decent WR.


He gets under the Broncos skin so much that it is worth keeping him around for that only. He is usually good for 100+ games and multiple TDs against you guys as well.

Judging by your team's performance last season, all that matters is beating the Broncos. How about when he said that the Chiefs were "going to put something on our ass"? That was funny. Except we kicked the **** out of you! That game made Clinton Portis 53 million dollars.

[ZachKC]

Agreed. Your offense is good, despite the trash and whores at WR. Your offense could be Indy good with a decent WR.



Judging by your team's performance last season, all that matters is beating the Broncos. How about when he said that the Chiefs were "going to put something on our ass"? That was funny. Except we kicked the **** out of you! That game made Clinton Portis 53 million dollars.
We have a few decent WRs just not a great one.

There is a lot more important things than beating the Broncos...we did it last year and the year before and I believe the year before :kiddingme Anyway, Chiefs nation is very far from happy...

[Darkhawk24]

We have a few decent WRs just not a great one.

There is a lot more important things than beating the Broncos...we did it last year and the year before and I believe the year before :kiddingme Anyway, Chiefs nation is very far from happy...


... And what happened when you played in Denvers those years? Selective Memory is a grand thing!

[bloodsunday]

Anyway, Chiefs nation is very far from happy...

Well, in that, I think the two nations can unite!

[ZachKC]

... And what happened when you played in Denvers those years? Selective Memory is a grand thing!
Selective memory? All I said was that we beat you year after year...is that not true? My poibnt was obviously beating Denver isn't the only thing Chiefs fans care about becuase we have done it and this team and its fanbase are very far from happy. ???

[bendog]

Zach, do you wake up stupid every morning. Den is 4-2 against KC the past 3 years, and we exposed you in 03 right before the playoffs and ruined you in 04 coming out of the gate

Jeeez

[ZachKC]

Zach, do you wake up stupid every morning. Den is 4-2 against KC the past 3 years, and we exposed you in 03 right before the playoffs and ruined you in 04 coming out of the gate

Jeeez
I am saying we BEAT you...I am not saying we swept you...I am not saying we won the Superbowl. You guys usually are not this dense.

We beat you in Arrowhead last year; and the year before that. I put a question mark smiley by the '02 observation bc I couldnt quite remember you swept us that year...

The point was...the idea that Chiefs fans are content by just beating Denver is a myth because we have in fact beat you these past 2 seasons and are not anywhere near happy.

I have no idea why you are guys are having a hard time with this concept.

[ZachKC]

Hell, it wasnt too long ago we swept you guys...that season ended with a lot of unhappy Chiefs fans...

[bendog]

you said "we beat you year after year," yet that is untrue. You ain't .500 in recent memory v. Den, but yeah you did sweep denver one year. Gunther had shanny's number.

Are you on spring break or something, Jeez.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think it's fair to say that there hasn't been a lot of overall happiness on either side for some time. Small doses here and there (like when one side beats the other) but overall, nobody has a whole lot to crow about.

Hell, neither has won a playoff game since Bill Clinton was in office. The Chefs during his 1st term and the Broncos during his 2nd. The fact that the Broncos last playoff win was in a Super Bowl takes a bit of the edge off for me personally.

As for this whole situation, big whoop. I guess Trev won't be getting a Christmas card from Quittison this year.

[ZachKC]

you said "we beat you year after year," yet that is untrue. You ain't .500 in recent memory v. Den, but yeah you did sweep denver one year. Gunther had shanny's number.

Are you on spring break or something, Jeez.
Did we beat you last year?

Did we beat you the year before?

Simple yes or no.

[bendog]

you are under .500 for the last three years. Get a ****ing clue dip****

[ZachKC]

you are under .500 for the last three years. Get a ****ing clue dip****
I thought it was a simple enough question for you to answer... ???

[RaiderH8r]

you are under .500 for the last three years. Get a ****ing clue dip****
Ease up, it's all the Chef fans have to cling to since their SB hopes are like Derrick Thomas....dead dead dead. The 2 wins over the squad are the only thing that keeps chef fans from doing a Greg Louganis off the cliff. Let him have his moment. There Zach, enjoy your moment.

[ZachKC]

Ease up, it's all the Chef fans have to cling to since their SB hopes are like Derrick Thomas....dead dead dead. The 2 wins over the squad are the only thing that keeps chef fans from doing a Greg Louganis off the cliff. Let him have his moment. There Zach, enjoy your moment.
Not at all, my main point is...I enjoy wins over rivals...but they don't make me happy if we don't get to the post season or preform in the post season.

[Saulbadguy]

Scoreboard.

[bloodsunday]

Scoreboard.

Says zero to zero. Your point? Perhaps you meant last season when you were what, 7 - 9? Or maybe you were counting our 2 super bowls to your zero in the past 20 years? Hell, we've even been to 6 of them.

[dumpy]

Scoreboard.


This is the last word anyone with a Royals logo as his avatar should be using.

[ZachKC]

This is the last word anyone with a Royals logo as his avatar should be using.
Who is your team? BTW, I love and have loved your avatar for quite some time.

[bendog]

The irony being the den losses ended the chiefs illusions the last two years, and zach is beating his chest.

Of course, losing to SD and Oak last year was ..... very disappointing.

[Saulbadguy]

Says zero to zero. Your point? Perhaps you meant last season when you were what, 7 - 9? Or maybe you were counting our 2 super bowls to your zero in the past 20 years? Hell, we've even been to 6 of them.
Scoreboard is to whenever we play you next. We will hold scoreboard until you beat us again. Thats the rule, and the name of the game. Records matter not, All time series matter not, Super Bowls matter not. If you want to get in to that discussion, well, go for it. It doesn't change the fact that we own Scoreboard.

45-17.

[ZachKC]

The irony being the den losses ended the chiefs illusions the last two years, and zach is beating his chest.

Of course, losing to SD and Oak last year was ..... very disappointing.
Beating my chest? Acutally I was explaining that beating the Broncos does not make Chiefs fans think they had a great season. Tell whoever is reading your posts for you that they are doing a bad job.

[dumpy]

Who is your team? BTW, I love and have loved your avatar for quite some time.

I actually like the Royals(I want them to do well). However, the Rockies are first and then whatever team Larry Walker is playing for.

[Saulbadguy]

Who is your team? BTW, I love and have loved your avatar for quite some time.
Its pretty funny, since we won that game. Plus the fact that the Raiders beat the Broncos this year..makes it even better.

[ZachKC]

Its pretty funny, since we won that game. Plus the fact that the Raiders beat the Broncos this year..makes it even better.
I think I have a high res copy of it. They took that picture on one of the plays where they got burned deeeep for the touchdown.

[dumpy]

Its pretty funny, since we won that game. Plus the fact that the Raiders beat the Broncos this year..makes it even better.


What do you mean? The Broncos beat the Chiefs and the Raiders last year.

[Saulbadguy]

What do you mean? The Broncos beat the Chiefs and the Raiders last year.
Whoooooooosh.

[dumpy]

Whoooooooosh.

There it is

[Kaylore]

LOL this thread is hilarity. Pryce is forgiven somewhat in my eyes after the Quittertrash comment.

[Northman]

I think I have a high res copy of it. They took that picture on one of the plays where they got burned deeeep for the touchdown.


uh, who last year didnt beat us deep? it isnt like the chiefs were the only ones to do it. our defense stunk last year but, still not quite as bad as you guys.
:)

[elsid13]

The other part of the story that I thought was amazing was Pryce was playing indoor soccer and sporting a mohawk. Might need to come up with a nick name for this line.

[Saulbadguy]

uh, who last year didnt beat us deep? it isnt like the chiefs were the only ones to do it. our defense stunk last year but, still not quite as bad as you guys.
:)


Whooooooooosh.

[Northman]

Whooooooooosh.


ok smart ass. :)

[Rock Chalk]

I am and have been reluctant to comment on Trevor. I have watched this argument since it began a couple of months ago and I saw both sides of it.

But im not sure where this extreme hatred is for the guy, nor the extreme defense of him either. His attitude about his salary cap number pisses me off but he is a player and he helps that line more than most suspect. What little pressure we did get two years ago (when he played) was because he was drawing big double teams allowing Berry to get the one on one ideal matchup for the weakside pass rusher.

His health is also a concern of mine. Im not entirely sure he will ever be able to be the player he was before his back injury, that is not my area of expertise I just know that back injuries, even minor ones, can linger for years. I hope that is not the case with him, but I remain concerned.

If we want to win a friggin playoff game, we are going to need a healthy Pryce and Brown and get at least some better DTs to collapse the middle and disrupt passing lanes.

Just my two cents.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Pryce sees end to traveling talk



Broncos veteran expects he'll be in Denver's plans

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
April 5, 2005

As expected, Trevor Pryce soon could be on the move.

But, after all the off-season talk about his pending departure from Denver, the four-time Pro Bowl selection might end up traveling only a few steps from his usual spot on the Broncos' defensive line - from power end to the primary pass-rushing position previously manned by the likes of Bert Berry and Reggie Hayward.

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Pryce said he fully expects to fill that pass-rushing role, with free-agent pickup Courtney Brown manning the strong-side end position.

That scenario is only one of several reasons that a relationship between player and team that seemingly was headed for divorce in recent months instead appears headed for reconciliation.

"It's kind of like, 'OK, now I need to stay,' " Pryce added.

Team officials could not be reached for comment, but the defensive end gauges the odds he will return to the Broncos at "the very least" 50 percent - and probably better than that.

"I think it's pretty much a done thing," said Pryce, who strongly dismissed the possibilities of being released or traded.

He predicted that, given the current climate, a compromise contract agreement could be reached within a week and no later than a month.

"That's why I'm here working out," he said on the day the team opened its off-season conditioning program, in which he was an active participant.

Pryce's appearance Monday spoke volumes about where his relationship with the team stands. The defensive end felt obligated, and excited, to participate in conditioning, in part, he said, because he's feeling better physically than he has in some time.

He also wanted to send a message to his teammates.

"It was more about, if I am here, I want these guys to see me the first day," he said.

Pryce's $9.167 million salary-cap hit remains a sticking point for the Broncos, particularly with the team only about $40,000 from the league's spending limit.

He conceded he could be wrong in making such a positive assessment about his future with the Broncos, but he doesn't believe he is.

Pryce pointed to a recent meeting with coach Mike Shanahan that helped open the lines of communication to where there seems to be a willingness on both sides to forge a compromise, short of an outright pay cut.

The Broncos publicly put the defensive end on the trade block in March. But with Sept. 22 back surgery limiting Pryce to two appearances last season and Denver seeking at least a first-round draft pick for Pryce, there have been no takers.

In that case, the Broncos were expected to release him, but they apparently have reconsidered.

"I think they changed their tune a little bit because there was some talk about me landing in Kansas City and some other places that they wouldn't want me to land at," Pryce said.

Oakland, another AFC West rival, also expressed interest in Pryce. And St. Louis, the New York Giants and Dallas were expected to bid on his services if he was let go.

Though Pryce sees his release as a long shot, he said, "If I am a free agent, I won't be a free agent for long, I know that."

There has been precious little certainty tied to Pryce recently. He previously dismissed the possibility of returning to the Broncos but says he could be comfortable with the team despite the events of the off-season.

"I don't want to be one of those guys that bounces around," he said. "I don't want to be Eddie Kennison, with every team he's played for tattooed on his arm. That is so disgusting. You've been passed around like trash."

The Broncos' recent additions of four free-agent defensive linemen - Brown, Gerard Warren, Michael Myers and Ebenezer Ekuban - seemed to cement Pryce's departure, if only by sheer volume. Pryce instead viewed those moves as Shanahan addressing the rest of the front four before focusing on his situation. That theory seemed to make sense, Pryce said, after he met with the coach after the influx.

Pryce, sporting a Mohawk in its formative stages, appeared fit and trim Monday after going through his conditioning workout with only normal first-day soreness.

Acupuncture treatments apparently have cured the numbness that ran from his hip down his right leg last season and robbed him of power.

He has been playing indoor soccer, riding his bicycle extensively and doing cross-training exercises "to retrain my body" before beginning football-intensive exercises.

"If we can keep Trevor and throw him back into the mix, it will be out of sight," Broncos linebacker Ian Gold said. "I really feel that way."

Pryce is even looking forward to the football grind he missed in his abbreviated 2004 season. "I do feel younger than I have felt in a very long time," he said.

This article pleases me in multiple ways.

The kennison quote was funny. But I love the idea of keeing rayce, if we have to move him, its all good.

[TheReverend]

Whoa, whoa... easy guys. I'm as eager to hate division rivals as the next guy... but isn't our #1 priority still hating the Raiders? And shouldn't we also be gunning after the Chargers? I mean, KC is pretty harmless with their refusal to make off-season improvements not to mention Trent Green, Gonzalez, Priest and their O-line aint getting any younger. Let them collapse on themselves and let's get back to talking about Pryce. But if we're gonna talk trash let's do it on Oakland's new Randy Moss or the Chargers in general.

Still, Pryce's comment was CLASSIC... and even better was RaiderH8rs "Dick 4meal"... that had me rolling.

See you in Detroit

[TheNextStep]

Everyone's too scared to talk trash about Randy Moss, considering what our now-#2 receiver did to you shiny new #1 cornerback when last they met... ;)

[FADERPROOF]

Everyone's too scared to talk trash about Randy Moss, considering what our now-#2 receiver did to you shiny new #1 cornerback when last they met... ;)


Randy Moss is a candyass little bitch that won't go over the middle because he can't take a hit worth a damn!

Better?

[TheReverend]

Randy Moss is a candyass little bitch that won't go over the middle because he can't take a hit worth a damn!

Better?


Much better. See, now we're on track.

PS. Moss can throw his little arm up for single coverage all day... Champ's got his number.

[TheNextStep]

Randy Moss is a candyass little bitch that won't go over the middle because he can't take a hit worth a damn!

Better?
Better... but, then again, your team is two years removed from letting Marvin Harrison get up off the ground in the midst of a flock of defenders and running it in for a score. I think Randy will be okay running across the middle... or deep... or in the flats... or up a seam... or on an out... or to the concession stand... or behind the Bronco bench... or... ;)

[TheReverend]

Better... but, then again, your team is two years removed from letting Marvin Harrison get up off the ground in the midst of a flock of defenders and running it in for a score. I think Randy will be okay running across the middle... or deep... or in the flats... or up a seam... or on an out... or to the concession stand... or behind the Bronco bench... or... ;)

I think Randy will be holding his ass because he's finally about to play some decent secondaries on a regular basis. Welcome to the AFC chump.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Whoa, whoa... easy guys. I'm as eager to hate division rivals as the next guy... but isn't our #1 priority still hating the Raiders? And shouldn't we also be gunning after the Chargers? I mean, KC is pretty harmless with their refusal to make off-season improvements not to mention Trent Green, Gonzalez, Priest and their O-line aint getting any younger. Let them collapse on themselves and let's get back to talking about Pryce. But if we're gonna talk trash let's do it on Oakland's new Randy Moss or the Chargers in general.

Still, Pryce's comment was CLASSIC... and even better was RaiderH8rs "Dick 4meal"... that had me rolling.

See you in Detroit

Actually... recently I've hated the Chiefs the most.... like the last few years.

[TheReverend]

Actually... recently I've hated the Chiefs the most.... like the last few years.

You're a Broncos fan, but I'm still leery of a squid's opinion, eh, Shipmate?

[TheNextStep]

I think Randy will be holding his ass because he's finally about to play some decent secondaries on a regular basis. Welcome to the AFC chump.
If Randy is holding his ass, it'll only be because Champ accidentally got a finger stuck in Moss' belt loop while he was going for his patented "got burned so I'll just fall down" move...

Oh, and you're saying that Champ has Randy's number? Nah... more like Jerry Porter's number, permanently burned onto his forehead. I haven't seen any off-season stories about skin-grafts, so I have to conclude that it's still there.

[TheReverend]

If Randy is holding his ass, it'll only be because Champ accidentally got a finger stuck in Moss' belt loop while he was going for his patented "got burned so I'll just fall down" move...

Oh, and you're saying that Champ has Randy's number? Nah... more like Jerry Porter's number, permanently burned onto his forehead. I haven't seen any off-season stories about skin-grafts, so I have to conclude that it's still there.

Just like it was the first game of the season when Oakland managed... 3 whole points in the Black hole? Good job upgrading that stellar D, by the way.

[Northman]

If Randy is holding his ass, it'll only be because Champ accidentally got a finger stuck in Moss' belt loop while he was going for his patented "got burned so I'll just fall down" move...

Oh, and you're saying that Champ has Randy's number? Nah... more like Jerry Porter's number, permanently burned onto his forehead. I haven't seen any off-season stories about skin-grafts, so I have to conclude that it's still there.


Lmao! sorry guys, that was funny. i still have worries about Moss regardless of who he is playing for. i have not forgotten his behind the back ditch to a teammate for a touchdown in Minnisota.

[Odysseus]

You're a Broncos fan, but I'm still leery of a squid's opinion, eh, Shipmate?

(Sound of bar stools scraping the floor and footsteps)

[Northman]

Just like it was the first game of the season when Oakland managed... 3 whole points in the Black hole? Good job upgrading that stellar D, by the way.


To be fair, which was more impressive? us beating them in warm weather or them coming to Denver and handing us our ass in the snow? quite frankly, im embarrassed about that loss.

[TheReverend]

Lmao! sorry guys, that was funny. i still have worries about Moss regardless of who he is playing for. i have not forgotten his behind the back ditch to a teammate for a touchdown in Minnisota.

No one can doubt his ability as a playmaker, but he can't beat us single handedly and they don't have the firepower. We win on paper and in real life, guaranteed.

[FADERPROOF]

Better... but, then again, your team is two years removed from letting Marvin Harrison get up off the ground in the midst of a flock of defenders and running it in for a score. I think Randy will be okay running across the middle... or deep... or in the flats... or up a seam... or on an out... or to the concession stand... or behind the Bronco bench... or... ;)

You're right, a one time fluke incident is a certain indication that the Broncos haven't learned from that and it's definitely going to happen again this year.

[FADERPROOF]

Super Bowls matter not.

ahhhh...the true sign of a Chiefs fan.

[TheNextStep]

Just like it was the first game of the season when Oakland managed... 3 whole points in the Black hole? Good job upgrading that stellar D, by the way.
You're one to talk about upgrades? Did you happen to see what Cleveland did against the run last year?

[TheNextStep]

You're right, a one time fluke incident is a certain indication that the Broncos haven't learned from that and it's definitely going to happen again this year.


See? If more people would just admit that, we'd all get along a lot better around here. Kudo's to you, sir! :)

[TheReverend]

You're one to talk about upgrades? Did you happen to see what Cleveland did against the run last year?

There were a couple of playmakers though... just like Moss... that's like blaming him for not winning all of Minnesotas games.

[DBroncos4life]

So does this mean we are going to keep him then :kiddingme


Thread long me tired :(

[Saulbadguy]

Everyone's too scared to talk trash about Randy Moss, considering what our now-#2 receiver did to you shiny new #1 cornerback when last they met... ;)
Randy Moss is sure to help the Raiders offense. Wait..weren't they at the bottom of the barrel on defense?

This would be like the Chiefs signing a stud O-Linemen.

[TheNextStep]

There were a couple of playmakers though... just like Moss... that's like blaming him for not winning all of Minnesotas games.
If you had signed just Courtney Brown or traded for just Warren, that might be a valid counter... but you signed away (or traded for) THEIR ENTIRE FREAKIN' DEFENSIVE LINE! Yes, you can look at what they, as a group, did against the run and consider that when evaluating them. It isn't like I pointed to your defensive linemen and asked "how they'd do against the 5 yard slant last year?"

Based on what the Browns did last year against the run (or the year before, where Jamal Lewis had 500 yards in two freakin' games against the Browns), there is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION AT ALL for even momentarily considering comparing their collective playmaking abilities to that of Randy Moss. You sir should go wash your brain out with soap just for thinking it!

[TheNextStep]

Randy Moss is sure to help the Raiders offense. Wait..weren't they at the bottom of the barrel on defense?

This would be like the Chiefs signing a stud O-Linemen.
Are you under the mistaken impression that the Raider offense was a juggernaught last year? This is nothing remotely like the Chiefs signing a stud O-lineman.

Speaking of which, has Dick Vermiel gone to Will Shields' house, held his hand and told him that everyone loves him and convinced him to come back yet?

[DBroncos4life]

If you had signed just Courtney Brown or traded for just Warren, that might be a valid counter... but you signed away (or traded for) THEIR ENTIRE FREAKIN' DEFENSIVE LINE! Yes, you can look at what they, as a group, did against the run and consider that when evaluating them. It isn't like I pointed to your defensive linemen and asked "how they'd do against the 5 yard slant last year?"

Based on what the Browns did last year against the run (or the year before, where Jamal Lewis had 500 yards in two freakin' games against the Browns), there is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION AT ALL for even momentarily considering comparing their collective playmaking abilities to that of Randy Moss. You sir should go wash your brain out with soap just for thinking it!



That was two years ago and A couple of the guys we traded for or got WASN'T playing at the time. Do you think Lewis runs for that many yards if Wilson, Gold, Williams, Lynch, and Bailey are behind them?

[Saulbadguy]

Are you under the mistaken impression that the Raider offense was a juggernaught last year? This is nothing remotely like the Chiefs signing a stud O-lineman.

Speaking of which, has Dick Vermiel gone to Will Shields' house, held his hand and told him that everyone loves him and convinced him to come back yet?
Their offense improved around the 2nd half of the season. I thought their WR was in good shape with Porter re-signed. The tripe i've been hearing is how the Raiders are switching to a 4-3 defense, and how that will make everything better. Sounds similar to the lie us Chiefs fans were telling each other, how "Gunther would make everything better."

[TheNextStep]

That was two years ago and A couple of the guys we traded for or got WASN'T playing at the time. Do you think Lewis runs for that many yards if Wilson, Gold, Williams, Lynch, and Bailey are behind them?
Hey, we're talking sh*t here! I'll thank you to keep such trivialities as "logic," "reason," and "civility" out of this discussion.

Simply to keep in the spirit of things and not allow you to hijack this thread into something that TheRev doesn't want it to be, I say unto thee, "Go screw yourself, DonkeyBastard4life!"


;)

[TheReverend]

If you had signed just Courtney Brown or traded for just Warren, that might be a valid counter... but you signed away (or traded for) THEIR ENTIRE FREAKIN' DEFENSIVE LINE! Yes, you can look at what they, as a group, did against the run and consider that when evaluating them. It isn't like I pointed to your defensive linemen and asked "how they'd do against the 5 yard slant last year?"

Based on what the Browns did last year against the run (or the year before, where Jamal Lewis had 500 yards in two freakin' games against the Browns), there is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION AT ALL for even momentarily considering comparing their collective playmaking abilities to that of Randy Moss. You sir should go wash your brain out with soap just for thinking it!


You know playing the run is a team effort just like playing the pass, right? A low run defense should reflect even more so on the linebackers than the DL... not to mention we wont be starting all 4 of Cleveland's DL. We made great strides in depth and they're backed by the best LB corps in the NFL now and a strong secondary. See how that Oakland line protects pretty little Collins.

[wabbit]

Zach, do you wake up stupid every morning...


I can answer that

Yes, he does

Anything else?

[TheNextStep]

You know playing the run is a team effort just like playing the pass, right? A low run defense should reflect even more so on the linebackers than the DL... not to mention we wont be starting all 4 of Cleveland's DL. We made great strides in depth and they're backed by the best LB corps in the NFL now and a strong secondary. See how that Oakland line protects pretty little Collins.
And now you're pretending that the Broncos have a pass rush? Please, Rev... your pass rush went to Jacksonville. There's one sure-fire thing that the Raiders will do to protect "pretty little Collins": Play the Broncos.

[Saulbadguy]

Hey, we're talking sh*t here! I'll thank you to keep such trivialities as "logic," "reason," and "civility" out of this discussion.

Simply to keep in the spirit of things and not allow you to hijack this thread into something that TheRev doesn't want it to be, I say unto thee, "Go screw yourself, DonkeyBastard4life!"


;)
Haha...classic.

BTW TNS..I forgot to give you **** after your fAggies lost to my beloved Wildcats in the Big XII tourney. Damn those yell leaders are annoying. They oughta get rid of those.

[TheReverend]

And now you're pretending that the Broncos have a pass rush? Please, Rev... your pass rush went to Jacksonville. There's one sure-fire thing that the Raiders will do to protect "pretty little Collins": Play the Broncos.

Ah the insanity of the Raider Nation. Have you forgotten we probably have a healthy Trevor Pryce and Luther Ellis to team with a now one-gap Gerrard Warren and Courtney Brown. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war, now please go back to your make-up and put on your spiked shoulder pads and leave us to the facts.

[Saulbadguy]

And now you're pretending that the Broncos have a pass rush? Please, Rev... your pass rush went to Jacksonville. There's one sure-fire thing that the Raiders will do to protect "pretty little Collins": Play the Broncos.
Wait..they have Courtney Brown...and Ebenezer uh..yeah. Exactly. ROFL!

[TheNextStep]

Damn those yell leaders are annoying. They oughta get rid of those.

Wow. Talk about your crazy coincidences! I was going to say that exact same thing... about Wildcat fans.

[TheNextStep]

Ah the insanity of the Raider Nation. Have you forgotten we probably have a healthy Trevor Pryce and Luther Ellis to team with a now one-gap Gerrard Warren and Courtney Brown. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war, now please go back to your make-up and put on your spiked shoulder pads and leave us to the facts.

Now you're making shoulder pad jokes? Your most prominent fan wears a freakin' barrell, Rev! Besides, I'd rather have real fans in shoulder pads than the bunch of fair-weather, "my company has season tickets" yuppie executive wanna-bes that have taken over Invesco at Mile High over the last couple of years. Hey, maybe instead of cheerleaders, you guys ought to consider faxing out a memo regarding "golf claps" at a football game! On the scale of fruitiness, your fan base as a whole rates slightly above 49er fans and a notch below the blond dude from "Queer Eye."

[BFDD]

[TheNextStep]

Congratulations. Your team was better last year.

Now, about covering Randy Moss and Drew Carey's wet dream defensive line that you signed this off-season...

[labronco]

Congratulations. Your team was better last year.

Now, about covering Randy Moss and Drew Carey's wet dream defensive line that you signed this off-season...

what about randy moss? your wet dream vs. drew carey's wet dream? not mine. we got what we got cuz they cost nothing. but randy moss just cost you mike williams. let see how long you live with your cancer.

[TheNextStep]

what about randy moss? your wet dream vs. drew carey's wet dream? not mine. we got what we got cuz they cost nothing. but randy moss just cost you mike williams. let see how long you live with your cancer.

You get what you pay for, labronco. We just bought chemo... you bought a carton of Camel Unfiltered. Don't talk to me about cancer!

[labronco]

You get what you pay for, labronco. We just bought chemo... you bought a carton of Camel Unfiltered. Don't talk to me about cancer!

you don't understand, step. we smoke for pleasure. most smokers don't die of cancer. you, step, have cancer in randy moss. cancer kills. cancer with chemo kills with misery.

[Clockwork Orange]

Wait..they have Courtney Brown...and Ebenezer uh..yeah. Exactly. ROFL!

You're still hanging your hat on Hicks & Sims and you're talking about someone elses D-line?

Chef fans.....:laugh:

[labronco]

You're still hanging your hat on Hicks & Sims and you're talking about someone elses D-line?

Chef fans.....:laugh:

rofl

[ZachKC]

I can answer that

Yes, he does

Anything else?
It goes on!

My secret admirer keeps them coming.

http://www.mydesignerperfume.com/img/Obsession.jpg

[SteveTensi13]

A thought just occurred to me. I don't think I've ever seen Moss go over the middle. COWARD !! He's in for a rude awakening. No more Bears or Packers defensive backfields to toy with. Of course the AFC West has it's own version of pop warner defense in the Chefs. My prediction is that Moss goes nowhere near the middle of the field with Lynch lying in wait.

[TheNextStep]

A thought just occurred to me. I don't think I've ever seen Moss go over the middle. COWARD !!

Bah! At least he's never actually hauled off and HIT a ref, unlike some receivers I know...

He's in for a rude awakening. No more Bears or Packers defensive backfields to toy with.

Hell, you guys just lost your hardest hitter in Kenoy Kennedy.

Of course the AFC West has it's own version of pop warner defense in the Chefs.

I can understand and appreciate your point of view here.

My prediction is that Moss goes nowhere near the middle of the field with Lynch lying in wait.

My prediction is that with Champ's penchant for falling down, the only time Moss will see Lynch is when he looks back over his shoulder as he crosses the goalline... again.

[FADERPROOF]

Congratulations. Your team was better last year.

Now, about covering Randy Moss and Drew Carey's wet dream defensive line that you signed this off-season...

What about covering Randy Moss? Is he better this year than he was last year? Because the Vikings didn't exactly win the Super Bowl or anything with him at the top of his game.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Big Trevor should come to KC...it did wonders for Eddie's career.

[DBroncos4life]

Bah! At least he's never actually hauled off and HIT a ref, unlike some receivers I know...



Hell, you guys just lost your hardest hitter in Kenoy Kennedy.



I can understand and appreciate your point of view here.



My prediction is that with Champ's penchant for falling down, the only time Moss will see Lynch is when he looks back over his shoulder as he crosses the goalline... again.


Yeah cause swinging at a player and hitting a REF is so much worse then DRIVING while a member of the law inforcement is still on your hood. Good thing Moss knows his place in life? Of the two which will land you in court fined by the court AND still get you a fine by the NFL? Good choice Moss.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

What about covering Randy Moss? Is he better this year than he was last year? Because the Vikings didn't exactly win the Super Bowl or anything with him at the top of his game.

DEFENSE

[FADERPROOF]

DEFENSE

And Oakland has a ****load of that as well?

What do you Chief fans know about defense?

[labronco]

My prediction is that with Champ's penchant for falling down, the only time Moss will see Lynch is when he looks back over his shoulder.... then WHAM! gets a night-night by dj. dj pays his $10k. Moss is out for the season. that's My Prediction.

[wabbit]

It goes on!

My secret admirer keeps them coming.

http://www.mydesignerperfume.com/img/Obsession.jpg


Absolutely

Anyone who can refuse to remove their feeding tube gets my respect

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And Oakland has a ****load of that as well?

What do you Chief fans know about defense?

Moss is a great player.

[TheNextStep]

What about covering Randy Moss? Is he better this year than he was last year? Because the Vikings didn't exactly win the Super Bowl or anything with him at the top of his game.

Well now that's as silly an argument as I've ever seen. "The Vikings didn't win anything, so we don't even have to worry about covering him now!"

Neil Smith didn't win dick with the Chiefs... but that wouldn't have made other teams wise not to block him, now would it?

[FADERPROOF]

Moss is a great player.

and?

I'm trying to help you out the best I can, but you do have to come up with something intelligent to say eventually.

[TheNextStep]

then WHAM! gets a night-night by dj. dj pays his $10k. Moss is out for the season. that's My Prediction.
Which forces Jerry Porter into the #1 receiver role, and he scores 3 more touchdowns on Champ Bailey. :)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

and?

I'm trying to help you out the best I can, but you do have to come up with something intelligent to say eventually.

Well, he's certainly not hurting the Raiders.

Did you have a point with your original post?

[FADERPROOF]

Well now that's as silly an argument as I've ever seen. "The Vikings didn't win anything, so we don't even have to worry about covering him now!"

Neil Smith didn't win dick with the Chiefs... but that wouldn't have made other teams wise not to block him, now would it?

Totally missed my point, you're probably used to it though.

[Clockwork Orange]

Actually, Moss seems to be the best at neutralizing himself.

Once the honeymoon phase is over in Oakland, Moss will no doubt go back to his old ways. He'll play when he feels like it and float when he doesn't.

People seem to forget that there's a distinct reason why the Vikings traded Moss and it had nothing to do with his ability or contract.

[FADERPROOF]

Well, he's certainly not hurting the Raiders.

Did you have a point with your original post?


I believe so, that while Randy Moss is a great player and every CB will have trouble defending him, it's not like they've brought someone in that will immediately change them around into a Super Bowl team.

[TheNextStep]

Yeah cause swinging at a player and hitting a REF is so much worse then DRIVING while a member of the law inforcement is still on your hood. Good thing Moss knows his place in life? Of the two which will land you in court fined by the court AND still get you a fine by the NFL? Good choice Moss.

Hey, if Carswell can hit his girlfriend on multiple ocassions and get a pass from Bronco fans, why are y'all getting so uppity about Moss hitting a girl just once with his car?

Hell, Moss probably did less damage, to tell the truth...

[labronco]

Which forces Jerry Porter into the #1 receiver role, and he scores 3 more touchdowns on Champ Bailey. :)

dude, you are pathetic. :kiddingme

[TheNextStep]

Totally missed my point, you're probably used to it though.

Used to missing the point of poorly constructed, poorly supported, and plain old "half-baked to begin with" arguments?

Yeah, probably. Don't worry though... literacy is within your grasp! Be cool, stay in school!

[FADERPROOF]

Used to missing the point of poorly constructed, poorly supported, and plain old "half-baked to begin with" arguments?

Yeah, probably. Don't worry though... literacy is within your grasp! Be cool, stay in school!

It probably is within my grasp, sadly I can't say the same for you.

[TheNextStep]

dude, you are pathetic. :kiddingme

Oh no! labronco thinks I'm pathetic because I mentioned Jerry Porter and 3 touchdowns in the same sentence! Whatever shall I do? Whatever shall become of me? How, God, could you let this come to pass?

What's that? Jerry Porter DID score three touchdowns the last time he played the Broncos? And labronco is just pissy because he's run out of light hearted smack to talk? Well, that certainly clears everything up.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I believe so, that while Randy Moss is a great player and every CB will have trouble defending him, it's not like they've brought someone in that will immediately change them around into a Super Bowl team.

No, but he's certainly going to be a great help.

[FADERPROOF]

Oh no! labronco thinks I'm pathetic because I mentioned Jerry Porter and 3 touchdowns in the same sentence! Whatever shall I do? Whatever shall become of me? How, God, could you let this come to pass?

What's that? Jerry Porter DID score three touchdowns the last time he played the Broncos? And labronco is just pissy because he's run out of light hearted smack to talk? Well, that certainly clears everything up.

You having fun being a dick here or is it just a natural thing for you now?

[TheNextStep]

It probably is within my grasp, sadly I can't say the same for you.

As you have not yet attained it, who are you to make that determination. It would be like me hearing fishing stories, getting on a boat, and arguing with a commercial fisherman about the species of his catch. It would be like me playing with a Fisher-Price Farmhouse, going out to a real farm, and telling the farmer which crops he should plant. It would be like Champ Bailey watching some film, going out onto a football field, and saying, "I can shut down Randy Moss."

It just doesn't work that way. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. One day, with lots of studying and guidance, you'll understand.

[Clockwork Orange]

No, but he's certainly going to be a great help.

When he feels like it. That's been the knock on Moss forever, but it's magically going to change now? I'm skeptical.

He'll help, he'd have to go out there and literally lay down on the field not to, he's that talented. But he's also unreliable which is unacceptable when you're a player of his stature and pulling down the kind of coin that he is.

[FADERPROOF]

As you have not yet attained it, who are you to make that determination. It would be like me hearing fishing stories, getting on a boat, and arguing with a commercial fisherman about the species of his catch. It would be like me playing with a Fisher-Price Farmhouse, going out to a real farm, and telling the farmer which crops he should plant. It would be like Champ Bailey watching some film, going out onto a football field, and saying, "I can shut down Randy Moss."

It just doesn't work that way. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. One day, with lots of studying and guidance, you'll understand.

Keep going, I might care what you think of me one of these days.

[TheNextStep]

You having fun being a dick here or is it just a natural thing for you now?
I don't know what your problem is. I don't care what your problem is. I explained a couple of pages back that I was just goofing around and talking light hearted smack talk. If you can't handle that and want to start calling names instead of poking fun at each other's football teams, well, you can go f*** yourself. If you're too pissed off to see that I'm kidding or too sensitive to listen what amounts to minor trash talk, I really don't give a rat's ass what you have to say to or about me.

So, yes.... I'm having fun being a dick here. Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.

[FADERPROOF]

I don't know what your problem is. I don't care what your problem is. I explained a couple of pages back that I was just goofing around and talking light hearted smack talk. If you can't handle that and want to start calling names instead of poking fun at each other's football teams, well, you can go f*** yourself. If you're too pissed off to see that I'm kidding or too sensitive to listen what amounts to minor trash talk, I really don't give a rat's ass what you have to say to or about me.

So, yes.... I'm having fun being a dick here. Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.

Please continue, I'm having fun listening to you rant about me. I asked you to keep it up, so please go on.

[TheNextStep]

Please continue, I'm having fun listening to you rant about me. I asked you to keep it up, so please go on.
Count on that happening. In fact, hold your breath.

I'd much rather talk about the fact that you imported Cleveland's defensive line... or the fact that Champ is a really good cornerback (except for the deep routes)... or the fact that you still haven't replaced Dan Neil or Kenoy Kennedy.

You know what I think is funny? The fact that Bronco fans have spent every year since Willie Middlebrooks was drafted referring to him as "Middlebust" and yet you guys just shrugged off Kelly Herndon signing with the Seahawks. I find that pretty strange.

[FADERPROOF]

Count on that happening. In fact, hold your breath.

I'd much rather talk about the fact that you imported Cleveland's defensive line... or the fact that Champ is a really good cornerback (except for the deep routes)... or the fact that you still haven't replaced Dan Neil or Kenoy Kennedy.

You know what I think is funny? The fact that Bronco fans have spent every year since Willie Middlebrooks was drafted referring to him as "Middlebust" and yet you guys just shrugged off Kelly Herndon signing with the Seahawks. I find that pretty strange.

Happen to see what kind of contract Herndon got from the Seahawks? No way were the Broncos going to match that. Kelly is getting paid starters money now, and with a healthy Lenny Walls, he's not going to be one here.

I believe Oakland ahs their own defensive problems to worry about, guess living off of other teams problems is a good way to distract you of what Oakland is or isn't doing to make themselves better.

[labronco]

Count on that happening. In fact, hold your breath.

I'd much rather talk about the fact that you imported Cleveland's defensive line... or the fact that Champ is a really good cornerback (except for the deep routes)... or the fact that you still haven't replaced Dan Neil or Kenoy Kennedy.

You know what I think is funny? The fact that Bronco fans have spent every year since Willie Middlebrooks was drafted referring to him as "Middlebust" and yet you guys just shrugged off Kelly Herndon signing with the Seahawks. I find that pretty strange.

so, i see. you were worried about dan neil and kenoy kennedy. the nightmare is over for you. oh, now that kelly herndon is gone, do you see the light at the end of the tunnel?

[Broncoman13]

I love the Michael Meyers connection in your signature. Sweet! He doesn't get that much press but watch this guy. He is what made the Droughns move really sweet. If the Broncos use him right he's going to create havoc.

All Hype aside even with Pryce our defense is not that big of a deal.

We are still short the step up saftey, CB4, CB5 and hopefully a CB6. They probably need to have one of the CB convert to safety and be able to play both spots. They probably need to pull the linebackers aside and teach them ALL how to play DE and tricks for getting inside. It's a different position. They are going to have to hit them hard with focus drills looking for the picks. This is all coaching stuff. They need to do it.

Our guys have to be able to do MORE better which isn't easy. THe Championship starts now and if they don't play like they mean it now you won't hear of anything positive in the fall other than "I am sure we could have..." or "We had the talent but we..."

The big deal is once things are signed Broncos can focus on getting to the next level. If they think just signing Trevor has cured all ills then they are already done. They need to be about the work of winning not the talk.

Pryce owes the fans a 10 sack season. Let's get this signed.


All that being said, sounds like Marlin Jackson might be a pretty smart draft pick for the Broncos. A talented DB with experience at Safety and Corner! He also happens to carry a late 1st round grade.

[TheNextStep]

Happen to see what kind of contract Herndon got from the Seahawks? No way were the Broncos going to match that. Kelly is getting paid starters money now, and with a healthy Lenny Walls, he's not going to be one here.

Both have been in the league for the same number of years.

Kelly Herndon - 27 starts, 130 tackles, 41 PD, 5 FF, 6 INT
Lenny Walls - 17 starts, 79 tackles, 17 PD, 1 FF, 1 INT

Yeah, the guy got paid... but, c'mon... let's not try to wrap it up into a "he couldn't beat out Lenny Walls" because he's CLEARLY outperformed him.

I believe Oakland ahs their own defensive problems to worry about, guess living off of other teams problems is a good way to distract you of what Oakland is or isn't doing to make themselves better.

Of course Oakland has problems and, yes, this is a bit of a distraction... but not from what Oakland is doing. This is a distraction because my son is sleeping, my wife is studying for a work project, and I'm bored. Hey, if you want to crack on Oakland, feel free. I've never been shy - I'll respond.

[TheNextStep]

so, i see. you were worried about dan neil and kenoy kennedy. the nightmare is over for you. oh, now that kelly herndon is gone, do you see the light at the end of the tunnel?

No, that's not when I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. I still remember the day I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. It was snowing that day... and the Raiders were in Denver...

[TheNextStep]

All that being said, sounds like Marlin Jackson might be a pretty smart draft pick for the Broncos. A talented DB with experience at Safety and Corner! He also happens to carry a late 1st round grade.

I'll be pissed if you guys get Marlin Jackson. I like that kid.

[FADERPROOF]

Both have been in the league for the same number of years.

Kelly Herndon - 27 starts, 130 tackles, 41 PD, 5 FF, 6 INT
Lenny Walls - 17 starts, 79 tackles, 17 PD, 1 FF, 1 INT

Yeah, the guy got paid... but, c'mon... let's not try to wrap it up into a "he couldn't beat out Lenny Walls" because he's CLEARLY outperformed him.



Of course Oakland has problems and, yes, this is a bit of a distraction... but not from what Oakland is doing. This is a distraction because my son is sleeping, my wife is studying for a work project, and I'm bored. Hey, if you want to crack on Oakland, feel free. I've never been shy - I'll respond.

I dont recall me saying that he couldnt beat out Walls and that Walls clearly outperformed him, I simply stated the fact that Walls will be the starter now that he is healthy and that we weren't willing to match the kind of offer that Seattle put on the table for Kelly Herndon.

[TheNextStep]

My bad. When you said, "Kelly is getting paid starters money now, and with a healthy Lenny Walls, he's not going to be one here." I thought you were saying that Herndon was not going to beat out Lenny Walls. You must have meant that Make Shanahan decides who is starting based on something other than merit, since Herndon had absolutely no shot of beating Walls out for a starter's position.

I stand corrected.

[FADERPROOF]

My bad. When you said, "Kelly is getting paid starters money now, and with a healthy Lenny Walls, he's not going to be one here." I thought you were saying that Herndon was not going to beat out Lenny Walls. You must have meant that Make Shanahan decides who is starting based on something other than merit, since Herndon had absolutely no shot of beating Walls out for a starter's position.

I stand corrected.

I'm still not saying that, I'm saying is we couldn't pay 3 players starters money when only 2 of them start. Sure, Herndon would be great in the nickel for us, but we're real high on Lenny Walls and want him to be our starter, leaving Herndon as the odd man out.

I'm happy for Kelly, he's from Ohio and went to the Univeristy that I almost went to, Toledo U, plus I met his family at a game last year and they were all nice, but decisions have to be made business wise sometimes and we werent willing to pay him what Seattle was going to pay him.

[labronco]

No, that's not when I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. I still remember the day I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. It was snowing that day... and the Raiders were in Denver...

oh yeah. we thought it was a snow fight. by the way, sorry to beat your ass 31-3 in oakland the other day.

[TheNextStep]

oh yeah. we thought it was a snow fight. by the way, sorry to beat your ass 31-3 in oakland the other day.

Is this like somebody getting their ass kicked in 7th grade and then bragging about kicking somebody's ass in 6th grade... 'cause that's what it seems like here. As far as I know, 31-3 wasn't the final score the last time our two teams met. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong on that one... but I'm pretty sure Langston Walker Dikembe Mutombo'ed Jason Elam in that one...

[Rock Chalk]

Is this like somebody getting their ass kicked in 7th grade and then bragging about kicking somebody's ass in 6th grade... 'cause that's what it seems like here. As far as I know, 31-3 wasn't the final score the last time our two teams met. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong on that one... but I'm pretty sure Langston Walker Dikembe Mutombo'ed Jason Elam in that one...
Priceless.

[Bronx33]

2004 Regular Season
Date
Game Score
09.12.04 @ Steelers
L 24-21
09.19.04 vs. Bills
W 13-10
09.26.04 vs. Tampa Bay
W 30-20
10.03.04 @ Texans
L 30-17
10.10.04 @ Colts
L 35-14
10.17.04 vs. Broncos
L 31-3
10.24.04 vs. Saints
L 31-26
10.31.04 @ Chargers
L 42-14
11.07.04 @ Panthers
W 27-24
11.21.04 vs.Chargers
L 23-17
11.28.04 @ Broncos
W 25-24
12.05.04 vs. Chiefs
L 34-27
12.12.04 @ Falcons
L 35-10
12.19.04 vs. Titans
W 40-35
12.25.04 @ Chiefs
L 31-30
01.02.05 vs. Jaguars
L 13-6













Mutombo'ed defined.....

[TheNextStep]

We must be using different dictionaries, Bronx, because mine says that the textbook definition is as follows:

Thirty-Five Point First-Half Lifts Colts Past Denver in First Round
INDIANAPOLIS — Toughness and messages . . . .

Those were the pre-game topics entering Sunday’s AFC first-round playoff game between the Colts and Denver Broncos at the RCA Dome, and almost from the start, the Colts sent a message of their own.

A 25-point victory? Five first-half touchdowns? A 35-3 halftime advantage?

Now, that’s tough.

The Colts, who spent the week very much not responding to pre-game comments from the Denver Broncos regarding the toughness of their wide receivers, made their statement to the extreme Sunday afternoon, rolling to a 32-halftime lead en route to a 49-24 victory over the Broncos in the first round of the AFC playoffs in front of 56,609 at the RCA Dome.

“I’m really, really proud of our team,” Colts Head Coach Tony Dungy said. “We came out very focused today and played well. We talked about coming in and trying to play well in front of our home crowd. That’s a very good ball club we beat.

“They’re a tough team. They’ve got a lot of weaponry on offense and they’ve got some really tough defenders. Today just happened to be our day.

“You could kind of feel it all week. Our guys practiced hard, they prepared hard and they knew what was at stake. I was proud of them.”

Reggie Wayne, the Colts’ fourth-year wide receiver, caught 10 passes for a franchise playoff-record 221 yards and two touchdowns, as Indianapolis dominated offensively and defensively early in the game.

Wayne’s yardage was the third most in NFL playoff history.

“I was going to be there all day,” Wayne said. “I wasn’t going to back down. I wasn’t going to fall down or whatever they said. I just wanted them to know this was going to happen all day.

“I’d be up for it. They’d know where to find me.”

Peyton Manning, this past week named NFL Offensive Player of the Year, completed 27 of 33 passes for 457 yards and four touchdowns for a passer rating of 145.7.

“He plays well in big games — we’re glad he’s on our side,” Dungy said.

Manning’s yards were a franchise playoff record, and were second all-time in NFL playoff history. Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar passed for 489 yards against the New York Jets in 1986.

“It was outstanding execution throughout the entire game,” said Manning, who this season set NFL records for touchdown passes in a season (49) and single-season passer rating (121.1). “That’s what we talked about all were a lot of things being said from different directions.

“All we talked about was, ‘Let’s go out and execute.’’’

The Broncos, throughout the week, had said the Colts’ receivers were small and didn’t like contact, saying their plan was to hit them hard and take them out of their game. Fans throughout the RCA Dome carried signs referring to the comments such as “Soft, Huh?” and “Who’s soft now?”

“Maybe we need somebody to do that every week, to challenge our guys,” Dungy said. “I was proud of the way our guys handled that. They set about doing their business. They know they’re a tough group. They don’t have to talk about it. They showed it today.

Said wide receiver Brandon Stokley, “That was our thing all week. We just wanted to let our game talk for us on Sunday. I think we did that today. We didn’t want to talk a lot during the week. We wanted to come out and play well and we did it.

“It doesn’t do any good, all the talk. Talk all you want, but it doesn’t help. Guys in the NFL are professionals. They play hard. Nobody likes to be called soft, but I think we did our talking today.”

The Colts (13-4), the AFC South champions, will play the AFC East Champion New England Patriots (14-2) in a Divisional Playoff at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Mass., Sunday at 4:30 p.m.

“We haven’t really thought about New England yet,” Dungy said. “I told my guys, ‘It’s not even time for that. Playoff games are special. They need to enjoy this one. Obviously, we know what’s ahead of us, but we’ll regroup and see what we can do up there.”

The Patriots, who beat the Colts 24-14 in the AFC Championship Game last season, beat the Colts in this season’s regular-season opener, 27-24.

“This is certainly a confidence booster going into play against New England,” Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney said.

The victory was the second convincing playoff victory for Indianapolis over the Broncos, who lost to the Colts, 41-10, in a first-round game in the RCA Dome.

And like last year, the Colts dominated Denver throughout the first half.

The Colts, who scored on their first seven possessions against Denver last year in the playoffs en route to a 31-3 lead, scored touchdowns on five of their first seven possessions Sunday.

Manning completed 21 of 27 passes in the first half Sunday for 360 yards and three touchdowns — to running back James Mungro, tight end Dallas Clark and Wayne — and he also added a 1-yard touchdown run on a quarterback sneak.

The Colts had 20 first downs at halftime to four for the Broncos.

They had outgained Denver, 395-103.

As of halftime Sunday, Denver had not converted a third down.

In two first halves the past two post-seasons against Denver, the Colts have scored 66 points and Manning has thrown seven touchdown passes. It was the sixth time this season Manning has thrown three or more touchdowns in the first half of a game.

The Colts took their first lead on the second series, driving 76 yards on nine plays, with Manning capping the drive with a short touchdown pass to running back James Mungro off play-action on 3rd-and-goal from the Broncos 2.

The Colts took a two-touchdown lead on their ensuing drive, with running back Edgerrin James finishing off an eight-play, 87-yard drive with a 1-yard touchdown run with 38 seconds remaining in the quarter. Manning finished the quarter having completed 11 of 14 passes for 156 yards and a touchdown.

Two drives later, after Broncos cornerback Kelly Herndon intercepted a deflected pass from Manning in the end zone, Manning found tight end Dallas Clark wide open down the middle of the field in the end zone for a touchdown that gave Indianapolis a 21-0 lead with 8:11 remaining in the first half.

Denver converted its first third down of the game on its next series, then turned it into a short field goal by kicker Jason Elam. On the ensuing kickoff, however, Colts defensive end/linebacker Nick Rogers recovered an onside kick at the Broncos 40.

Two plays later, Manning threw his third touchdown pass of the half, a 15-yard pass that Wayne turned into a 35-yard catch-and-run touchdown and a 28-3 Indianapolis lead with 4:29 remaining in the half.

Manning gave the Colts a 35-3 halftime lead with a 1-yard sneak with six seconds remaining in the half.

The Broncos cut the Colts lead to 35-17 with touchdown on two third-quarter drives, but Wayne turned a short pass into a 43-yard, catch-and-run touchdown early in the fourth quarter, again extending the Colts’ lead to 25 points.

“We were a little disappointed in the second half,” Dungy said. “We said we wanted to come out and keep them under control. We played probably as good a first half as we’ve played, but then in the second half, we didn’t keep that edge.”

The Broncos cut the lead back to 18 points, but Colts reserve running back Dominic Rhodes’ 2-yard run made it 42-17, setting up yet another trip to Foxboro. This time, as last year, the stakes will be high, with a trip to the AFC Championship Game on the line.

“We’re a little bit more mature and little more confident,” Dungy said. “We’re back in the final eight now, so we’ve got another chance.”

The Patriots have won two of the last three Super Bowls, and have beaten Indianapolis three times in two seasons.

“If you want to be the best, you’ve got to beat the best,” Colts middle linebacker Rob Morris said. “We feel like they’re right up there. It’s going to be tough. History has been against us, but we’re going up there.”

Said Colts center Jeff Saturday, “I’m just excited to get a win in the playoffs, to be moving on and to get a chance to go play again. The way I look at it is New England’s another team and one that we’ve got to go up and beat.”

[Bronx33]

Ok step making it to the playoffs su*ked....i see 5-11 is a soft spot no harm done just funnin with ya.

[TheNextStep]

Ok step making it to the playoffs su*ked....i see 5-11 is a soft spot no harm done just funnin with ya.

I'm just playing as well. 5-11 sucked... but that's the beautiful thing about the off-season - the slate's wiped clean and we're off to the races for the next Lombardi... just like every other team out there! :)

[labronco]

is step a closet bronco fan?

[TheNextStep]

Not remotely.

[Bronx33]

I'm just playing as well. 5-11 sucked... but that's the beautiful thing about the off-season - the slate's wiped clean and we're off to the races for the next Lombardi... just like every other team out there! :)


WORD! but i still hate the raiders with every fiber in my being.
:) and iam still having an al davis died party,now if the old turd would just die!

[TheNextStep]

May be a while. His mom lived past 100.

And, likewise, I hate the Broncos (though not as badly as I hate the Chiefs) but I enjoy banter and good football talk, no matter who it is with. I've said this before on OM but I tend to look at it like a sports bar - lots of people cheering for lots of different teams... but you all talk and crack jokes and say, "If you convert this 3rd and long, next round's on me" and whatnot. I don't get the guys who think it's an online turf war...

[Bronx33]

I don't get the guys who think it's an online turf war...


That would be the espn board, i bang there sometimes lol.............