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DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 07:24 PM
By Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
aka fat ass bronco hater.

On a day when the Denver Broncos front office was busy on the signing front, the team's several moves included the addition of a veteran who hasn't been very busy at all the last few seasons, as the club reached a contract agreement with unrestricted free agent tailback Ron Dayne.

The 1999 Heisman Trophy winner, one of the most notable first-round busts in recent years, will sign a one-year contract, details of which were not yet available.

Denver also re-signed three players. They included a pair of unrestricted free agents, defensive tackle Luther Elliss and tight end Patrick Hape, and restricted free agent defensive tackle Monsanto Pope. Contract details were not available on any of those deals, either, although it is known that Hape and Elliss signed one-year contracts.

Ron Dayne
Running Back
New York Giants
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2004 SEASON STATISTICS
Rush Yds TD Rec Yds TD
52 179 1 1 7 0



But simply on name value alone, and given the notoriety he earned during a dubious five-year stint with the New York Giants, the addition of Dayne was the day's headliner. The former Wisconsin star, selected by the Giants with the 11th overall pick in the 2000 draft, will join a typically crowded tailback depth chart in Denver.

Even with the departure of 2004 starter Reuben Droughns, who rushed for 1,240 yards in '04 but who was traded to the Cleveland Browns on Tuesday evening, the Broncos still possess a cadre of young and talented backs. Dayne, 27, will certainly have to fight for playing time and carries, provided he makes the regular-season roster.

One of the college game's most celebrated runners over the last decade, Dayne's success on campus did not carry over to the NFL, and he became a source of frustration for some Giants officials and coaches.

In five seasons, Dayne started just 13 contests in 62 appearances, rushing for 2,067 yards and 16 touchdowns on 585 carries. As a rookie, Dayne gained 770 yards and that remains his career high. He followed up that effort with 690 yards and a career-best seven touchdowns in 2001, but then faded into near-oblivion.

Over the final two seasons in New York, he failed to play a single down in 2003 and logged only 52 attempts in 2004. Coach Tom Coughlin vowed in his first season with the Giants in 2004 to provide Dayne a chance to resurrect his career. But Coughlin was seeking a power runner for short-yardage and goal-line situations and Dayne still fancied himself a back capable of breaking off long runs.

The Giants made no attempt to re-sign Dayne as a free agent.

Pope, 27, emerged in 2004 as a solid interior presence against the run, starting in 15 games and playing well most of the year. The three-year veteran, a seventh-round pick in 2002, is an active defender with a good future.

At the opposite end of the spectrum is Elliss, a 10-year veteran who has suffered through a series of injuries the past few seasons, and who appeared in just eight games in 2004. Elliss spent the first nine seasons of his career with the Detroit Lions and the former first-round pick was at one time among the NFL's best inside defenders. He has 129 appearances and has recorded 331 tackles and 29 sacks. Last season, he recorded seven tackles and two sacks.

Hape is a versatile eight-year veteran who can line up at tight end, H-back and fullback and who is also a contributor on special teams. Hape, 30, has never caught more than 15 passes in a season but is a clever receiver in the "red zone," as evidenced by 11 touchdowns on just 51 receptions.


Now lets look at our roster.

Mike Anderson 31 year old back coming off a torn groin. Wasn't the fastest man before the injury but still because he can play RB and FB he still has value

Quentin Griffin 24 years old. Small maybe too small. He is a good scat-back type of player but now that he is coming off a bad ACL injury one would question his ability to cut and make people miss now.

Tatum Bell 24 year old back coming into his second year. He has show flashes of being a good back but some nagging injuries made his rookie year longer then he wanted.

Cecil Sapp is a 26 year old back that has good size. Im sure they are thinking of moving to FB because of his size.

Brandon Miree 23 year old back....why was he drafted again?

Kyle Johnson 26 year old that should take over the starting FB.

Ron Dayne 27 year old back that hasn't lived up to the hype yet but now that he is a Bronco the sky is the limit :) I think he has as good of a chance as Mike or Q for the number two back on the team.

Anyways I don't think we where that deep after the Reub trade that we didn't need to pick up another back.

watermock
04-02-2005, 07:35 PM
Nothing like talking to yourself. Mock does it all the time.

Mock thinks we are probably OK. Look, last year Bell was dinged up half the time, both Q and Anderson were injured and we survived. We can always stick Hape in there as our secret weapon. :woowoo:

BRONCCRUSHFAN
04-02-2005, 07:39 PM
What the heck? They could have gotten the A-train, and they settle for a fat a$$. ??? <--That's my take on what the Denver Browns have been doing this off season. Can anyone say LA Stallions?

atwater58
04-02-2005, 07:41 PM
You just never know how Q and Anderson will bounce back after their injuries.

Drek
04-02-2005, 08:38 PM
They could have gotten the A-train, and they settle for a fat a$$.
Thomas would have cost us more than the vet. minimum we're likely giving Dayne. Why give more to a guy who's effectively fighting to be a backup?

Dayne has talent, if Turner can get it through his head to stop dancing and instead cut once and plow, he could be a real good back. It adds some depth to our RBs, but I'm still betting we draft an RB by our last 3rd round pick as well.

Sodak
04-02-2005, 09:17 PM
If they had signed Dane to a multi year then he could have been traded for a pick next year if he has a good season. Or, he would simply be dismissed as a product of the system.

Either way, I'm just blowing smoke...

longtimer
04-02-2005, 09:21 PM
What the heck? They could have gotten the A-train, and they settle for a fat a$$. ??? <--That's my take on what the Denver Browns have been doing this off season. Can anyone say LA Stallions?

Dayne is ten times better than A-train. I live in the chicago land area and let me tell you he SUCKS!!!

Crushaholic
04-02-2005, 09:37 PM
The answer is 'yes, we are that deep at RB'. I like the Dayne signing because A) He'll either perform at a high level or B) He'll push the others to perform at a high level. In no way do I expect Dayne to be a starter for the Broncos, but he can serve some usefulness at camp...

Clockwork Orange
04-02-2005, 09:44 PM
The answer is 'yes, we are that deep at RB'. I like the Dayne signing because A) He'll either perform at a high level or B) He'll push the others to perform at a high level. In no way do I expect Dayne to be a starter for the Broncos, but he can serve some usefulness at camp...

Or C) Even if he sucks he's nothing more than a depth player and cost the Broncos nothing to acquire and the minimum in terms of cap space.

jebures
04-02-2005, 09:44 PM
The answer is 'yes, we are that deep at RB'. I like the Dayne signing because A) He'll either perform at a high level or B) He'll push the others to perform at a high level. In no way do I expect Dayne to be a starter for the Broncos, but he can serve some usefulness at camp...

I see this happening with our current RB's

Starter Tatum Bell
top Backup Ron Dayne
change of pace Quentin Griffin
starter at FB Kyle Johnson
RB/FB Swingman will be Brandon Miree, if he gets healthy

Hopefull we can get a late round pick or something Mike Anderson, doubt it though, he will turn 32 at the beginning of the season.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-02-2005, 09:49 PM
I must've missed that stat the said Denver was 32nd in the NFL in rushing last year, because that's the only way that someone would actually question the Broncos RB depth. So what did Shanahan do in the last two days to be questioned in an RB acquisition, and has there been an actual confirmation from the Post or Rocky that the A-Train was actually in Denver on a visit?

DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 09:52 PM
The answer is 'yes, we are that deep at RB'. I like the Dayne signing because A) He'll either perform at a high level or B) He'll push the others to perform at a high level. In no way do I expect Dayne to be a starter for the Broncos, but he can serve some usefulness at camp...



Point is you are never too deep. Look at last year. Q goes down for the year. Mike went down for the year. Bell missed time. Hearst ha he was pretty much on IR the whole year. Enter Reub. We had three backs that missed a pretty much the whole year and another that missed over a third. I was just pointing out that Len seems to over look that fact and that depth at RB is pretty important when your team runs the ball as much as we do.

DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 09:56 PM
Further more I was trying to point out two of them are coming off bad injuries to have for RB's.

bronco militia
04-02-2005, 10:00 PM
i wouldn't be surprised to see the Broncos draft a RB on day #1 of the draft...they are pretty thin at RB, loaded at FB.

elway9798
04-02-2005, 10:01 PM
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atwater58
04-02-2005, 10:06 PM
I see this happening with our current RB's

Starter Tatum Bell
top Backup Ron Dayne
change of pace Quentin Griffin
starter at FB Kyle Johnson
RB/FB Swingman will be Brandon Miree, if he gets healthy

Hopefull we can get a late round pick or something Mike Anderson, doubt it though, he will turn 32 at the beginning of the season.

Anderson is a gamer- very expeirenced- if he's healty I have to believe he'll be the backup- maybe 100 carries if Bell plays 16 games. Don't forget Anderson is a young 32 considering he was in the service

DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 10:08 PM
Grrr. What I was saying is Fat Ass questioned another one of our moves, after we traded away a RB. Dayne is just taking Reubs spot. Its not like we are adding another back to our team when we still had Reub on the roster.

DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 10:11 PM
Anderson is a gamer- very expeirenced- if he's healty I have to believe he'll be the backup- maybe 100 carries if Bell plays 16 games. Don't forget Anderson is a young 32 considering he was in the service



You are the only one that would call a 32 year old back coming off a injury where is groin muscle was pulled off his bone "young for his age". Don't get me wrong he still has game left in him but "young" would be the wrong choice of words there. JMO

atwater58
04-02-2005, 10:18 PM
You are the only one that would call a 32 year old back coming off a injury where is groin muscle was pulled off his bone "young for his age". Don't get me wrong he still has game left in him but "young" would be the wrong choice of words there. JMO


I said that he's a "young 32" meaning he doesn't have the wear as a regular 32yr. old back would because he was in the Marines. I don't know anything about his injury, but i'll tell you that if there aren't any lingering effects he'll be a big part of our offense

Cito Pelon
04-02-2005, 10:24 PM
You just never know how Q and Anderson will bounce back after their injuries.

Anderson will be fine. A full year to recover from a groin is fine. Rushing a groin back can be really bad, but a full year, he'll be fine this year. Q may need another year, but If he gets released, he'll be picked up PDQ by somebody. And that may be the best thing that can happen to his career.

Cito Pelon
04-02-2005, 10:30 PM
The answer is 'yes, we are that deep at RB'. I like the Dayne signing because A) He'll either perform at a high level or B) He'll push the others to perform at a high level. In no way do I expect Dayne to be a starter for the Broncos, but he can serve some usefulness at camp...

Dayne will be a good fit for the Broncs. He'll contribute. I remember last year the word was he was tired of being a bust, so he tried harder than he had before. Too bad Barber came out of the gate kicking-ass. He's a good pickup, better than A-train. And if I remember right, Dayne has good hands. I like the pickup.

DBroncos4life
04-02-2005, 10:32 PM
I just figured out what I wanted the title to say....

Where we really deep BEFORE picking up Dayne. I would have said no but thats just me.

Odysseus
04-02-2005, 10:41 PM
Anybody know what's the story on Santonio Beard. I heard he was injured so he couldn't attend NFL Europe. What was his injury? That kid has all kinds of potential if he could just get a break?

I would not be surprised the Browncos bringing in another FA pickup in June.

yavoon
04-03-2005, 11:10 AM
I also like the dayne signing

TheDave
04-03-2005, 11:28 AM
Getting this "Fan Site of the month" award has to be the worst move this entire offseason...

Elway777
04-03-2005, 01:18 PM
I would of rather drafted a runner in the early rounds like Marion Barber,K.J. Harris or Eric Shelton then sign Dayne. I Think the Broncos should carry 6 running backs because that is the Broncos bread and Butter and their are Question marks. Even with the Dayne sighing I would still draft a first day running back . Johnson and Bell are the only running backs that are safe. Let Sapp,Anderson Griffen,Dayne and Draft pick compete for the next 4 positions. I could also see the Bronco only keeping 5 Running backs with Fb Johnson,Sapp Hb Bell,Dayne and Draft pick with Griffen and Andersonbeing cut.

RhymesayersDU
04-03-2005, 01:32 PM
I can't believe people question our run game.

You want to question Plummer, fine.
You want to question our importing of the whole Cleveland D-Line, fine.

But seriously though, it's been proven we can throw any stiff back there and have him get a bunch of yards, and we're going to keep doing it.

atwater58
04-03-2005, 01:57 PM
I can't believe people question our run game.

You want to question Plummer, fine.
You want to question our importing of the whole Cleveland D-Line, fine.

But seriously though, it's been proven we can throw any stiff back there and have him get a bunch of yards, and we're going to keep doing it.


I agree.........