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HEAV
03-31-2005, 05:54 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3663964,00.html


Others are not sold on four former Browns

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
March 31, 2005

The song says Cleveland Rocks and the Denver Broncos apparently were ready to sing the tune all the way through March.

In a free-agent shopping spree that has landed four former Cleveland Browns defensive linemen in the Broncos' Dove Valley complex in a three-week span, Denver's decision makers have gone where few, if any, teams have gone before.

Not only have they acquired four players - Gerard Warren, Courtney Brown, Ebenezer Ekuban and Michael Myers - from the same roster, they have taken all four players from the same meeting room inside the Browns' Berea, Ohio, complex.

Warren, Brown and Ekuban are former first-round draft picks who have struggled to meet those expectations. Plus, Brown and Ekuban have medical questions and will not be able to run all out until at least May. So why have Brown, Warren and Ekuban not played up to the potential most teams believed they had when they were drafted?

The Rocky Mountain News on Wednesday surveyed six personnel executives - four in the AFC, two in the NFC - to seek some answers.

Brown was the first pick of the 2000 draft, Warren the third pick of the 2001 draft and Ekuban the 20th pick of the 1999 draft.

Denver coach Mike Shanahan, meanwile, has lauded the potential of the group, particularly Warren and Brown, and it is clear the Broncos believe they can do with the four what the Browns were unable to.

DE Courtney Brown

The consensus among the personnel evaluators was Brown simply has been injured too much to find how far his ability can take him. Though some teams did not consider Brown the top player on the board in the 2000 draft, virtually all teams projected him among the top five, so there is little question he is the kind of player teams are seeking at the position.

Shanahan has even called Brown "a freak."

But Brown has missed 33 games in the past five years because of injuries, including 14 this past season with a torn ligament in his left foot. He failed a physical before his release at Cleveland earlier this month and will not be ready to go all out until at least later this spring.

Because players rarely get healthier as they get older, Brown's injury-marred past is a concern, the executives said. His health also has impeded his progress on the field, they say, because he has not put together a long string of games - at least two seasons worth - to take the rough edges off his technique.

Instead, he seems to always be rehabilitating, only to be injured again once he begins to find a rhythm. For an example of what Brown can be when he is at his best, most point to a seven-game stretch in 2003 when he made six sacks and forced three fumbles.

However, the personnel executives say Brown simply might not be physically strong enough to survive the poundings he takes because he often is rehabbing from specific injuries instead of conditioning his whole body.

Shanahan has countered the injury risk by saying Brown is "tired of being hurt" and is ready for a fresh start.

DT Gerard Warren

He is the biggest enigma of the group, the personnel executives say. They all were quick to say Warren is a talented player with top-shelf athletic ability, yet Warren has yet to be voted to a Pro Bowl or record more than 51/2 sacks in a season.

The personnel executives look at the fact there were 10 games in Warren's first three NFL seasons in which he was credited with two or fewer tackles and say his effort might be questionable at times.

They also say Warren does not play enough to an offensive lineman's weakness or vary his approach enough when attacking an opponent week to week. Opposing linemen know what he is going to do and simply wait for what is expected.

Shanahan has said he believes Warren simply needs "to get in great shape" and that the Broncos' off-season program will play a key role in whether it was a good deal to surrender a fourth-round pick in the April 23-24 draft for the 26-year-old.

DE Ebenezer Ekuban

The Broncos' trade for Ekuban was formally completed Wednesday when Denver running back Reuben Droughns passed his physical at Cleveland.

And Ekuban, recovering from knee surgery and a shoulder injury, also is not yet at full speed. He was cleared Wednesday by the Broncos medical staff, thus completing the trade, but he also underwent surgery in 2001 to repair a herniated disc in his back.

He did lead the Browns in sacks last season with eight, but four of the six personnel executives contacted by the News considered him a "plateau" player.

That means he already has reached his developmental peak and he had leveled off the past two seasons. Some of that might stem from the fact Ekuban, a native of Ghana, was late coming to football and doesn't play as instinctively as some who grew up playing the sport.

He did not play football until he was a junior in high school and played tight end at the University of North Carolina for two years before moving to defense.

The evaluators were universal in their belief Ekuban needs more power at the point of attack.

DT Michael Myers

He was added to the deal for Droughns as injury insurance for the Broncos in case Ekuban needed more time to recover.

Considering Myers, a former All-Southeastern Conference selection at Alabama, is scheduled to earn $667,000 this season, the personnel executives believe he might be the best pure value among the four players.

The Broncos added a year to the one Myers had left on his deal with the Browns to make it even more salary-cap friendly.

The 300-pound Myers has played some defensive end in his career. Browns coach Romeo Crennel was going to play Myers at end in Cleveland's 3-4 look, so the Broncos could do the same when they implement the scheme as part of their nickel package.

Shanahan believes quality defensive linemen have become some of the more difficult players to find, saying, "It's hard to find really a great defensive lineman, because they've got to be able to play the run, play the pass, (be) great against the run, great rushing the passer.

"It's hard to get a guy who can do both."

The Broncos are hoping they have done just that by doing their shopping in one place.

Garcia Bronco
03-31-2005, 05:57 AM
That's funny...cause there are no rave reviews for you either.

Garcia Bronco
03-31-2005, 06:07 AM
Don't PM me with your BS...post it here. I'll get back to you later.

fontaine
03-31-2005, 06:13 AM
Taken from above RMN article:

Michael Myers:
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2005/03/31/431848640_e.jpg

Is that Garcia and Myers holding hands?

D'OH!

Spider
03-31-2005, 06:16 AM
Much talk about this , @ first I viewed this as a Rotation / Depth on the Dline thing , Then I got to thinking Cover 2 .........
specialy with G.Warren .... this has cover 2 written all over it

Ray Finkle
03-31-2005, 06:22 AM
Taken from above RMN article:

Michael Myers:
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2005/03/31/431848640_e.jpg

Is that Garcia and Myers holding hands?

D'OH!


LOL

-Slap-
03-31-2005, 06:33 AM
Shanahan has countered the injury risk by saying Brown is "tired of being hurt" and is ready for a fresh start.

Is that how it works now? You just "get tired of being hurt" and then you're not injury prone anymore? Good to know. I'm relieved to hear Courtney has reached that level of exasperation.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-31-2005, 07:04 AM
That's funny...cause there are no rave reviews for you either.
As opposed to your "rave reviews"? The thread title is pretty accurate from what I've seen so far.

RaiderH8r
03-31-2005, 07:22 AM
I'm going to go a little homerish on the CB injury thing. Like I've said before, it's hard to get the gumption up to play through an injury when your team is out of the playoffs by week 7 every year. I think if he's on a contender he'll be more apt to go out and "rub a little dirt on it and walk it off".....if you will.

Old Dude
03-31-2005, 07:43 AM
I have no idea how this will work out. I haven't followed the Brownies that closely. They've had some horrid games on defense over the past couple of years, but they've also had some good ones.

I do recall that they put up a heck of a defensive fight against us in late 2003 ... a much tougher game than I expected ... and this was right around the time that we were on a hot streak.

I guess I'm slightly more optimistic about this approach than the one we took in the draft a couple years ago when we stocked up on prospects in the 4th through 7th rounds. Eason, Mitchell, McNeal and the other guy (whose name I can't even remember now) didn't really do anything for us. The bargain basement castoffs - - Fatafehi and Holland -- actually had more of an impact.

Hotrod
03-31-2005, 07:46 AM
That's funny...cause there are no rave reviews for you either.

Dear lord you two sound like a married couple these days. Maybe you should think about a second honey moon. ;D

bronco militia
03-31-2005, 07:58 AM
Dear lord you two sound like a married couple these days. Maybe you should think about a second honey moon. ;D


they need to get a room

ro_50
03-31-2005, 08:03 AM
When the scouts said MM was perhaps the best bargain out of the group, I tend to beleive that somewhat cuz he does play up to his capabilities and is versatile, can play end on a pinch or play DT.

The one I'm worried about the most is Warren. I've havent heard anything about CB lacking heart or hustle when playing, its just the injuries for him to overcome. As for EE, Ive never considered him more than a platoon type of player. GW needs to become a more focused player and get in shape.

JCMElway
03-31-2005, 08:49 AM
The one I'm worried about the most is Warren. GW needs to become a more focused player and get in shape.

I think it's a nice gamble for a 4th round pick. This guy was top five talent, and there's every reason to believe he's in a better situation here. This team will obviously win more than the Browns, the coaching situation is more solid, we definietly have better linebackers, and now Warren has something to prove. Add to all of that the fact that Warren will be under the tender minstrations of Rich Tuten and "The Beast", (isn't that what they call that monstrous sled the Broncs have to push around in training camp?) I think he'll be in much better condition as well.

And who knows how any fourth round pick will pan out? We have two additional late thirds now, so I'm all for this move.

As to getting all of the Browns DL, I really think it's all coincidence. True, Andre Patterson did work with them, but the right situations came to pick these players up. Courtney Brown could have been cut from any team and I think we would have pursued him. So did three other teams. And the Droughns trade worked for both squads. The Browns get a solid, steady guy to get the tough yards (they still have a home run hitter is Suggs) and the Broncs shore up a positional weakness with two guys who are good role players and have cap-friendly deals.

You wanted talented D-lineman? We got that. Warren and Brown will be given every opportunity to suceed. Yes, they may get injured. But then again, any player can get injured. With the deals we have in place for these guys (structured around playing time and incentives), it's worth the risk. And we moved Droughns for two guys that will contribute.

Getting all of these D-Lineman will also allow us to take the best availabe player in the draft and not get forced into a need pick. So if they are available we can afford to snag Michael Clayton, Troy Willamson, Justin Miller, Kahliff Barnes, or even Matt Jones. (I don't know where we'd put Jones, but it'd be exciting to see what Shanny did with him.) Heck, we could even solidify the d-line further by getting Shaun Cody (or David Pollack or Dan Cody if they fell to us.)

Whew. I did not intend to write this much. Just my .02 to say that this is NOT a horrific offseason. Just one where we were up against the cap and had to make well considered choices.

I certainly hope we keep Pryce, but the Broncs front office DOES HAVE A PLAN. It may or may not work as hoped for, but this a very competitive league where nothing is a sure bet.

J

Billy Clyde Puckett
03-31-2005, 08:55 AM
I repeat from another thread.

People need to get real on this. Broncs traded a 4th round choice and a backup running back for four stop gap DL that are minimal hits to the cap this year and in the future. If two of these guys make a average contribution it is a steal for the Broncs.

That being said, with the risk these guys pose, the DL is still the most questionable part of the team and it needs to be addressed in the draft to prevent the Broncs form getting in this exact same position a year from now.

Hogan11
03-31-2005, 09:16 AM
I'm skeptical of the moves with the Browns but I'm giving it all a wait and see approach. Plummer proved me wrong, maybe these guys will too....I can only hope for as much.

Broncoblood
03-31-2005, 09:25 AM
Just think if they rank in the top 5 in defense this year all those skeptical f'ers will be calling it the "Brown Crush" and a great move by Shanny&Co. And I thought I was hard on my Broncos!!

bronco militia
03-31-2005, 09:28 AM
i'm not sold on these deals but it's probably the best we can expect for team in almost cap hell.....

Hotrod
03-31-2005, 11:55 AM
Just think if they rank in the top 5 in defense this year all those skeptical f'ers will be calling it the "Brown Crush" and a great move by Shanny&Co. And I thought I was hard on my Broncos!!

LOL you catch on to how things work here fast ;D

Garcia Bronco
03-31-2005, 12:20 PM
The thread title is pretty accurate from what I've seen so far.

What do you mean?

Garcia Bronco
03-31-2005, 12:21 PM
Dear lord you two sound like a married couple these days. Maybe you should think about a second honey moon. ;D

LOL

~Popps~