Drougns to Cleveland for Ekuban

[epicSocialism4tw]

Broncos, Browns close to a deal
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Jay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 19 minutes ago



The Cleveland Browns and Denver Broncos are close to a trade that would strongly bolster the Browns backfield before the draft while giving Denver their second first-round DE in two days.

Sources have told FOXSports.com that the Browns and Broncos are in deep talks regarding a trade that would send last year's Broncos breakout back Reuben Droughns to Cleveland for defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban.
Ekuban, the former first-round pick, had surgery recently on his knee and shoulder and is not expected to be healthy until May. He is expected to visit the Broncos this week, but due to the health concerns, the two sides have discussed working out appropriate draft choice compensation for the 2006 draft if Ekuban cannot return to full strength in time for the season. However, if Ekuban's physical pans out well, the two sides may agree to a straight up player-for-player deal without any stipulation.

Droughns amassed a surprising 1,240 yards rushing last year, impressive numbers considering he didn't take over the primary ball carrier role until the second week of October. He also hauled in an impressive 32 passes for 241 yards and scored eight TDs — six on the ground. Droughns had six 100-yard rushing games — including games of 193, 176 and 166 yards — as Denver's coaching staff and offensive line churned out yet another 1,000-yard rusher.

Ekuban, a former first-round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, had his best sack total of his career in 2004 when he tabbed eight QB takedowns. His previous high was 6.5 during his sophomore season. His former defensive line coach in Cleveland, Andre Patterson, is now an assistant on the Broncos' staff.

Droughns joins a Browns backfield that was split between William Green and Lee Suggs last year. However, Droughns was more productive than those two combined last season. The move also allows Cleveland to focus on a position other than running back in the first round of this year's draft.


Man, that new D line coach must be a former used car salesman.

[RADRHATR]

Just saw it on www.KFFL.COM

[Rascal]

ban him

If true we might as well bring the entire cleveland defense over.

[Master___Pain]

Just saw it on www.KFFL.COM


:kiddingme

Wow, we really are the Browns. ugh!~

[Rascal]

I can't get access to kffl...can somebody else verify this.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Won't you step into the freezer
Seize her with a tweezer

Won't you step into the freezer
Tease her with a tweezer

It's gonna be cold cold cold cold cold (4x)

Won't you step into the freezer
Please her with a tweezer

Won't you step into the freezer
Please her with a tweezer

It's gonna be cold cold cold cold cold (4x)

Look who's in the freezer
Uncle Ebenezer"


-Phish

[orinjkrush]

Can you say "Denver Browns"?

[epicSocialism4tw]

"Won't you step into the freezer
Seize her with a tweezer

Won't you step into the freezer
Tease her with a tweezer

It's gonna be cold cold cold cold cold (4x)

Won't you step into the freezer
Please her with a tweezer

Won't you step into the freezer
Please her with a tweezer

It's gonna be cold cold cold cold cold (4x)

Look who's in the freezer
Uncle Ebenezer"


-Phish

gotta love some 'tweezer'

[Rascal]

You have got to be kidding me.

I can see the hordes of trolls coming in to laugh at us for this one...great.

And he won't even be able to do anything till may because of his surgeries.

Patterson must have done quite a number on Shanny's slong.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't understand. Ruben could have at least netted a nickel DB or something of worth. I haven't seen much of Ekuban, but here's to hoping for a draft pick!

[Garcia Bronco]

gotta love some 'tweezer'


You like Phish? You like 'Llama'?

[bronco militia]

Ekuban, the former first-round pick, had surgery recently on his knee and shoulder and is not expected to be healthy until May.



is there an echo in here?

[Garcia Bronco]

"Sunrise over the turquoise mountains
Messenger birds in sight
They came up through the valley
Both sides at a time
Through the cold steady rain
Raid!
I bend down
Poke a double decker on a llama
Taboot
Llama, Taboot Taboot
Trigger a blastoplast, ramshackle laker recedes
I start to run
It was the loudest thing I'd ever heard
And I knew my time had come
To enter the delta

Leave it on press [2x]
Depress, Depress
Llama, Taboot Taboot
Leave it on press
Depress, Depress
Llama, Taboot Taboot

Llama, Taboot Taboot
Llama, Taboot Taboot
Taboot Taboot
Taboot Taboot
Taboot "

[GonzoLays]

It's okay, the Browns are moving to a 3-4 scheme and Romeo Crennel wants to bring guys he thinks fits the 3-4 scheme. He tried to convince Courtney Brown to move to Outside Linebacker and obviously Ekuban is 4-3 end and Crennel has no use for a guy who does not fit in his scheme. I see nothing wrong with taking on Cleveland's Defensive Line if they are willing to give it away.

More power to us; Either Crennel cuts the guy or trades him to us. Either way, Ekuban was not going to be a Cleveland Brown this year and it really has nothing to do with his ability to play football, more his ability to be a 3-4 end.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You like Phish? You like 'Llama'?

I became endeared with the Billy Breathes album. Taste and Waste are my faves on that one. Tweezer was always an awesome live tune. The intro to "You Enjoy Myself" is some pretty creative stuff. Saw 'em live in '98?? I dont remember, but they jammed for like 4 hours.

[Spider]

I never saw this comming ..... If these guys stay healthy , we should be stacked in the Rotation ............

[Darkhawk24]

I just don't understand why we would go after 3 guys from the same Defensive Line this off season.

Especially the Browns!?!?!

:kiddingme

[KillerBronco#76]

hahaha, we have 3 out of 4 of the starting linemen for the browns all we have to do is get lang and the transformation will be complete. So i guess the big plan was to sit outside crennels office and beg for cripple lineman?

[-Slap-]

This is just........sad.

[27atwater]

If this screws up Marques Douglas coming here.....F###Beans!!!

[Kaylore]

Pass Rush Specialists
http://www.stanford.edu/~ngao/Pics/Stanford03-04/Nov/images/cripples_jpg.jpg

[jebures]

I just don't understand why we would go after 3 guys from the same Defensive Line this off season.

Especially the Browns!?!?!

:kiddingme

Yah Id have to say Im pretty sick right now, I was hoping to get a draft pick for Droughns, but who knows, ebenezer did have his moments in dallas.

[Darkhawk24]

The other two made some sense but this one.... I hope someone can explain this one to me.

[clint7]

Man, that new D line coach must be a former used car salesman.

Ha! LOL

Man, you got me to laugh out loud at work! Thanks for nearly getting me in trouble, joke man! :)

[bronco militia]

Pass Rush Specialists
http://www.stanford.edu/~ngao/Pics/Stanford03-04/Nov/images/cripples_jpg.jpg

rep!!

ha ha ha ha!

[labronx]

I just don't understand why we would go after 3 guys from the same Defensive Line this off season.

Especially the Browns!?!?!
:kiddingme

were not going to them they are comming to us!

[SouthStndJunkie]

I would rather have traded Droughns for Ekuban than traded him for a late round draft pick. My first preference would have been to hang on to Droughns as I like his versatlity.

SSJ

[-Slap-]

Ask Cleveland if Jerry Sherk is available. He's probably about 50 now, but at least he was good at one time.

[labronx]

I would rather have traded Droughns for Ekuban than traded him for a late round draft pick. My first preference would have been to hang on to Droughns as I like his versatlity.

SSJ

yeah we might as well keep em

[Garcia Bronco]

I became endeared with the Billy Breathes album. Taste and Waste are my faves on that one. Tweezer was always an awesome live tune. The intro to "You Enjoy Myself" is some pretty creative stuff. Saw 'em live in '98?? I dont remember, but they jammed for like 4 hours.

Where in 98...which season?

[Bronco LB 59]

I am not disapointed in losing Droughns the halfback, I am disapointed in losing Droughns the well-rounded football player. He was our "Jack of All Trades". He did the dirty work on special teams and in the blocking scheme.

That being said, I like how Denver just landed another first round talent for a dirt cheap price. If the Broncos keep Pryce, the team will have four former 1st round picks up front.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Where in 98...which season?

I saw them at the Starplex Ampitheater in Dallas during the summer tour. the played tons of Zeppelin covers and did a load of their catalogue.

[clint7]

Orpheus Roye & Kenard Lang, you two dudes better watch your backs! We’re gunnin’ for you next!

I somehow get the strange feeling that Patterson may fear change.

[TheDave]

Just heard on 950 the fan that we were trading Droughns for a 2nd round pick... anyone heard anything like that?

[Garcia Bronco]

I saw them at the Starplex Ampitheater in Dallas during the summer tour. the played tons of Zeppelin covers and did a load of their catalogue.

07/26/98 (Sun) Starplex Amphitheatre - Dallas, TX

Set 1: Birds of A Feather, Too Much of Everything*, David Bowie, Frankie Says, Reba**, Funky Bitch, Good Times Bad Times

Set 2: La Grange, You Enjoy Myself^, Albuquerque^^ > Simple, Bold As Love, Sample in a Jar, E: Punch You in the Eye, Bittersweet Motel

Comment: *First time played (Joe Cooley cover). **With whistling. ^With trampolines and glowstick war between Trey (sustaining a note with one hand, attempting to catch glowsticks with the other) and the audience. ^^First time played (Neil Young cover, from the album "Tonight's the Night"). "

[bendog]

I dunno. IF MA is healthy, he brings the same skill set, and there's miree, briggs and a cast of thousands, plus shanny's record of picking rb's out of ether. Ebenezer has been realitively healthy, or at least he's suited up for games, which is something CB hasn't done. He's not gonna give the pass rush of Heyward or even Okeafer, but ..... RD is not irreplaceable. He's a better player than Ebenezer, but we seem to find rb's easier than DE's. Well, we find DE's we just don't sign them after their UFA year.

[Pendejo]

I would rather have traded Droughns for Ekuban than traded him for a late round draft pick. My first preference would have been to hang on to Droughns as I like his versatlity.

SSJ

Yeah...I think they should hold on to Droughns too...unless something too sweet to pass up is thrown their way. Reuben just adds so much depth to two positions...actually three when you factor in returning kicks.

La Rata and Co. are playing a high risk game. Never let it be said that they aren't trying. Hell...one of these days one of these risks just may pan out, and we'll all be talking about how smart they are again.

The big thing in all of this is the compensation the Donks would get if Ekuban couldn't play this year. Since they were asking for a high pick for Droughns I'd almost assume that a deal would have to be in place for a first day pick next year...should Ekuban not be able to roll this coming season.

I don't like this deal at all. I'm fine with signing both Warren, and Brown. Droughns is just too versatile, and plays at high professional level to gamble on an injured defensive lineman who has never been better than serviceable.

This is a bad move if it's true.

As it stands now...Droughns can play tailback...fullback...and is a solid kick returner...and they're thinking of giving him up for Ebeneezer(sp?) Ekuban?...That's just odd.

[GonzoLays]

Just heard on 950 the fan that we were trading Droughns for a 2nd round pick... anyone heard anything like that?

Did you hear this minutes ago or did you hear this like in the past two weeks? If you heard it a few minutes ago, it might be true. Which team did mention as a possible trade partner? If they didn't say a team methinks that they are blowing smoke to keep airtime moving.

[dj_stouty]

What is the obsession with washed up Brownies? You guys do realize they were the leagues WORST run defense, right?

[TheDave]

Did you hear this minutes ago or did you hear this like in the past two weeks? If you heard it a few minutes ago, it might be true. Which team did mention as a possible trade partner? If they didn't say a team methinks that they are blowing smoke to keep airtime moving.

About 5 minutes ago and it was the browns

[ND Bronco Fan]

I'd crap myself if we got the 34th overall pick for RD. I like Reuben but wow. This rumor I can get on board with. Count me as one against another Cleveland D-Lineman.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys are just completing the other half of the Kavika Pittman trade...

[Jason in LA]

Man, that's all a 1200 yard rusher (in 12 starts) gets. They better throw in a draft pick with that.

[bronco militia]

About 5 minutes ago and it was the browns

I just caught Irv and Joe on am950 and they are only reporting the deal of Droughns for Ekuban

[Sir Mawn]

I posted a thread earlier regarding Brown and Warren and how we are to certain degree putting them in a similiar situation in which they were not successful last year. The possible addition of Ekuban makes this look like a joke.

Honestly I thought this thread WAS a joke. I can't believe we're adopting an entire unit that had little if any success last year. And bringing along their coach!

[CBF1]

I never saw this comming ..... If these guys stay healthy , we should be stacked in the Rotation ............

He He..... You said stacked he he :)

[Sir Mawn]

Now if we DO get a 2nd rounder for Reuben... that would ROCK

[stoxman]

If we were to get Ekuban = Another off-season of mediocrity and Stupidity by Shanahan guaranteeing us yet another 8-8, 9-7 upcoming season without John Elway proving that Mike is vastly overrated in all aspects of coaching, managing, talent scouting etc...

If we were to get a 2nd rounder = maybe the tide is turning and Mike might actually know what the hell he's doing?!?

If we kept Droughns = that would make sense. He's a team guy with all-around skills and offers great depth at a key position.

[Ballhawk]

2nd and Ekuban for Pryce and RD maybe.

[Fundamentals]

Browns fan here. Thought I'd come by to look and see some opinions of Droughns from Broncs fans. The reports here say it is not a pick included, however, if Ekuban cannot play this year, the insurance would be a third or fourth round pick next season.

Enjoy our DL, they didn't do much here. Warren was a waste who took too many plays off. Ekuban showed some flashes, but he was CB's back-up. Brown is a great guy, great in the community, just can't stay healthy. Pretty much every Browns fan is rooting for CB to turn his career around.

[Beantown Bronco]

Ekuban may be hurt, but he IS coming off the best year of his career.....Given that we have a serious logjam at tailback right now with Reuben (and a serious chance that he may barely see the field this year as it is), why not get a DE coming off a career year? (especially if we get injury insurance in the form of a future draft pick if things don't work out)

The main thing I like about the Broncos' recent moves is insurance. They may be bringing in guys with injury histories (but who doesn't anymore?), but they are going out of their way to protect themselves with playing time/injury clauses, etc. written into the deals. This is something that burned them in the past and they're apparently trying to keep it from happening again.

IMO - this signing would mean two things. (1) the 34 defense is looking like less of an option for even part time use, and (2) the Broncos are no longer looking to the first round of the draft for DE help. Most of the pass rushers in the draft seem to be DE/OLB tweeners anyway and are being way overvalued. I'm guessing either a trade up for a WR or ballhawking safety they love, or a trade down for offensive line help may be in the books for the Broncos.

[Sir Mawn]

If we were to get Ekuban = Another off-season of mediocrity and Stupidity by Shanahan guaranteeing us yet another 8-8, 9-7 upcoming season without John Elway proving that Mike is vastly overrated in all aspects of coaching, managing, talent scouting etc...

If we were to get a 2nd rounder = maybe the tide is turning and Mike might actually know what the hell he's doing?!?

If we kept Droughns = that would make sense. He's a team guy with all-around skills and offers great depth at a key position.


Mike's had his share of offseason blunders. But he robbed Washington with that extra second pick for CP.

[bendog]

RD = OG = MA = ?

But Eukaban is a huge ? Even IF he is healthy, he's a lesser value player than Heyward. However, it could still work having the three brownies on the field at the same time IF Den has a legit two gap DT. And, let's be honest, if between these three guys, they are healthy to make 32 starts, it'll be astounding.

[Clockwork Orange]

OK, now this is just getting weird.

[ncjmirabile]

Browns fan here. Thought I'd come by to look and see some opinions of Droughns from Broncs fans. The reports here say it is not a pick included, however, if Ekuban cannot play this year, the insurance would be a third or fourth round pick next season.

Enjoy our DL, they didn't do much here. Warren was a waste who took too many plays off. Ekuban showed some flashes, but he was CB's back-up. Brown is a great guy, great in the community, just can't stay healthy. Pretty much every Browns fan is rooting for CB to turn his career around.

I would have preferred a pick over Ekuban, but I don't think this rules out us signing a defensive lineman or two before the draft. I wonder if this is a stockpiling of defensive linemen in hopes of hitting on two or three of them.

[Pezman]

I am getting dizzy trying to figure our offseason obsession with Cleveland. Are we purposly trying to tank the D-line? Or is this just more crazy insurance for Trevor? ugh!~

[Spider]

He He..... You said stacked he he :)
Not that there is anything wrong with that ........................:D

[bronco militia]

I am getting dizzy trying to figure our offseason obsession with Cleveland. Are we purposly trying to tank the D-line? Or is this just more crazy insurance for Trevor? ugh!~


nahhh...we're just trying to improve our 2006 draft position
:dummy:

[Nuggets4]

Best of luck to Rueben. Class act.

[CBF1]

Browns fan here. Thought I'd come by to look and see some opinions of Droughns from Broncs fans. The reports here say it is not a pick included, however, if Ekuban cannot play this year, the insurance would be a third or fourth round pick next season.

Enjoy our DL, they didn't do much here. Warren was a waste who took too many plays off. Ekuban showed some flashes, but he was CB's back-up. Brown is a great guy, great in the community, just can't stay healthy. Pretty much every Browns fan is rooting for CB to turn his career around.

Rueben is a class act in every way. He is a team player, plays hard and leaves it all on the field. You guys scored big.... and not like William Green making a score LOL. If it is a straight up trade, you guys took advantage of us.

[Sir Mawn]

Best of luck to Rueben. Class act.

Uhh Is this official?

[Clockwork Orange]

Ekuban had 8 sacks last year. That's more than any Bronco other than Hayward, so it looks as though he's got something to offer if he's not in a body cast.

[bendog]

Browns fan here. Thought I'd come by to look and see some opinions of Droughns from Broncs fans. The reports here say it is not a pick included, however, if Ekuban cannot play this year, the insurance would be a third or fourth round pick next season.

Enjoy our DL, they didn't do much here. Warren was a waste who took too many plays off. Ekuban showed some flashes, but he was CB's back-up. Brown is a great guy, great in the community, just can't stay healthy. Pretty much every Browns fan is rooting for CB to turn his career around.

I'm prolly the least "pro" RD guy here. He's a great locker room guy. Very good special teamer. Very versitile RB. He is a classic 'tweener, though. He does not have TB speed or anything more than a 45degree cut. He isn't that fast to the hole. He's a good blocker, but only about 220-225. In the right system he can be successful. He wore down badly last year, just as Jake Plummer crapped himself during Den's stretch run for the Div championship and the chance to get Indy in Den. But, my guess is that was because he was beat up in practice and special teams and playing FB. He's got no major injuries, and he should be better than he was last year. Decent pass catcher too. A poor guy's shawn alexander without the ego baggage.

[Beantown Bronco]

If it is a straight up trade, you guys took advantage of us.


I don't see how. Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James and Travis Henry have all been on the market this off-season for less than a first round pick....and nobody wants anything to do with them. Given that competition, Reuben Droughns has, at best, 3rd round trade value. Would the Broncos be able to get a DE in the third round of this draft capable of starting? No way.

Realistically, if the Broncos are serious about trading Reuben, they pretty much have to take what they can get given the current market. And if that's a DE capable of 8+ sacks, I say "do it".

[bengalsown]

3 Cleveland Browns D-linemen ROFL!

:loopy:

What the hell are they doing over there?

[bendog]

Actually, it's only 2, because Eukaben plays when CB is on IR. I'm just wondering if we shouldn't get a roster exemption or something for taking all these gimps.

[Maximus]

WTF...??? ??? ??? Is there something going on between cleveland and denver that we should know about ???

[Maximus]

Uhh Is this official?

Broncos | Close to Dealing Droughns for Ekuban - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:06:28 -0800

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Denver Broncos are in serious talks with the Cleveland Browns about acquiring DE Ebenezer Ekuban (shoulder, knee) for RB Reuben Droughns. Both sides are also discussing appropriate draft choice compensation for 2006 should Ekuban not return to full strength in time for the season. Ekuban recently underwent knee and shoulder surgery, but if he is able to pass the Broncos' physical, both teams could just agree to the player-for-player swap without any stipulations.

[bendog]

It seems we're finally paying back for Elway by taking all their gimp and lazy ass waste of cap.

[doof]

There was a thread last year of us possibly signing Ekuban.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=10694

[frerottenextelway]

Good. The only thing Droughns left on the field was the ball. He won't be missed.

[Rascal]

I'm going to puke.

[Hotrod]

I'm going to puke.


Would this be a bad time to use the word PLAN. :)

[eddie mac]

IMO I cant see this happening, Ekuban's base salary for this season is $2 million alone so that'll be another huge chunk off the cap again. If he does come in and Droughns goes out you're talking an approx $1.5 m hit or thereabouts which would mean Pryce is gone too!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Can we officially begin losing all hope for the season?

D-line has probably gotten considerably worse.
No upgrade at WR.
Lost starting FS and nickel CB.

On the other hand, we improved the linebacking corps and DJWilliams should dominate next season.

[bendog]

Can we officially begin losing all hope for the season?

D-line has probably gotten considerably worse.
No upgrade at WR.
Lost starting FS and nickel CB.

On the other hand, we improved the linebacking corps and DJWilliams should dominate next season.
I dunno. CB and Ebeneazer are essentially one rotation. Good? no they suck. But, do they suck worse than what we had on the left side last year? M.Coleman and Anton? They can't be worse. They are nfl football players.

Assuming Anton has potential, he ought to fit somewhere, though he is listed as a big guy. Not an edge rusher.

[wabbit]

I like it. I do. Ekuban offers complimentary pass rush skills that can work well in a rotation such as Denver's.

As much as I like Rueben, there were question marks whether or not he could make the roster in 2005...and before you dis that notion, understand that the Broncos are very high on Kyle Johnson @ FB & Tatum Bell at RB...beyond that, it's pure competition...competition Rueben feels he's already earned & won.

He IS a complete team guy and can do a lot of things...he will help Cleveland...a team weighted down with 'me' guys & high expectation failures.

Ekuban will help Denver, if only as rotation depth...and I'm guessing a re-worked contract on some kind comes with the deal...we'll see on that.

I like...it fills a need that Rueben cannot.

[NFLBRONCO]

I like it. I do. Ekuban offers complimentary pass rush skills that can work well in a rotation such as Denver's.

As much as I like Rueben, there were question marks whether or not he could make the roster in 2005...and before you dis that notion, understand that the Broncos are very high on Kyle Johnson @ FB & Tatum Bell at RB...beyond that, it's pure competition...competition Rueben feels he's already earned & won.

He IS a complete team guy and can do a lot of things...he will help Cleveland...a team weighted down with 'me' guys & high expectation failures.

Ekuban will help Denver, if only as rotation depth...and I'm guessing a re-worked contract on some kind comes with the deal...we'll see on that.

I like...it fills a need that Rueben cannot.


Does this mean no DL @ 25 Does this mean Pryce stays and restructures or get cut?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

There was a thread last year of us possibly signing Ekuban.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=10694

That's what I thought, I was going through this thread to see if anyone else brought it up.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

They're either trading for someone to be in the rotation, or they want Ekuban at RDE and Courtney at LDE and if they're expecting Courtney to keep the weight on, he's not doing anything for this team.

[wabbit]

Does this mean no DL @ 25 Does this mean Pryce stays and restructures or get cut?


Good questions...and all I can offer is my opinion.

Yes, I tend to now think the Broncos are doing everything they can to fill the D-line need in FA & trade. That would HAVE to lead you to believe they're looking at something else in the draft...barring some fluke of the magnitude of Clinton Portis falling in their lap.

I think they may be posturing to move up or down...up for a CB or even marquee WR...down for a Guard of the order of Elton Brown or David Bass & more draft selections.

I'm not sure what the hell to think of the Pryce situation. I've heard so many things that go so many different directions.

I'm of the opinion that SHanahan wants him gone, one way or another.

I agree with those who say he still could be a major asset, but there is something in the way the organization avoids talk about him...other than to (now) say he might return.

I just get the sense he may be traded on, or about draft day.

If not...I have no idea as of this moment.

[kirby33]

we need to get as many 2cd and 3rd rounders as we can. Histrorically we have done good after the first round, I believe our best 1st round pick was selected by baltimore. So if price can bring us a 2, and we can trade down for a couple more, i believe that is the best case senario.

[Drek]

I'll take this deal. Sure, we have three of Cleveland's DLs now, and they weren't that great last year, but we have a much better secondary and linebacking crew than the Browns will ever have. There's no denying that all three of the guys we're picking up from them are talented, they just haven't lived up to expectations. Maybe a change of scenery with a higher talent level behind them and less expectations will result in some positive production.

I'm still all for keeping Trev or drafting/signing another potential starting DE. With both Brown and Ekuban coming off injuries, I want some talent to rotate them with. Preferably a guy like Trev or Douglas from Baltimore, who can play the strong side DE and let Ekuban and Brown split time at the other spot.

[clint7]

I'm all for this. My favorite Christmas story is a "Christmas Carol" with who? Ebenezer Scrooge. Now Denver might be trading for who? A guy named Ebenezer Ekuban. Coincidence? I think not.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I agree with you guys on the improved DL depth issue. How much work is the brain trust expecting from them? If it is limited rotation minutes, then how are they going to actually improve the pass rush? Can Warren get upfield?

[orinjkrush]

risky risky bidness. i remember the happy hysteria around here when we got chester mcglocklin (sp?) and IHOP. maybe 8 B grade DLs are better than 1 A and 7 Bs, i dunno. but Shanny doesn't seem to get underachievers to overperform.

And what does it say about Lenny if we go lookin for another CB in the top round of the draft?

I still think we need a stud RDE in the first. Like a DJ-example starter.

[HEAV]

Good questions...and all I can offer is my opinion.

Yes, I tend to now think the Broncos are doing everything they can to fill the D-line need in FA & trade. That would HAVE to lead you to believe they're looking at something else in the draft...barring some fluke of the magnitude of Clinton Portis falling in their lap.

I think they may be posturing to move up or down...up for a CB or even marquee WR...down for a Guard of the order of Elton Brown or David Bass & more draft selections.

I'm not sure what the hell to think of the Pryce situation. I've heard so many things that go so many different directions.

I'm of the opinion that SHanahan wants him gone, one way or another.

I agree with those who say he still could be a major asset, but there is something in the way the organization avoids talk about him...other than to (now) say he might return.

I just get the sense he may be traded on, or about draft day.

If not...I have no idea as of this moment.




You got it right Wabbit.

Pyrce is going to be used to move up and attempt a run at a corner either Rolle or Jones are the target. The trade partner maybe Washington.

That's all I'm saying on that.

As for this Cleveland connection. It's the stupidest thing Shanny has ever done.

[Northman]

meh, i like it. why not take a chance what the hell.

[TheDave]

As for this Cleveland connection. It's the stupidest thing Shanny has ever done.

I didn't like the sound of this deal at all until this moment.... Now i'm in love with it!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Pyrce is going to be used to move up and attempt a run at a corner either Rolle or Jones are the target. The trade partner maybe Washington.

That's all I'm saying on that.


Sweet. A 1st round tender on Walls and wasted picks on LaSeuer and Shoate, than let's add in his other two 1st round corners in O'Neal and Middlebrooks and that's a great set. Now he'll use Pryce, and probably more assets if he wants to get to the Skins pick, and draft another corner. What a joke.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think the trade is that bad. The really only thing I do see wrong with is it is the amount of Browns Dline guys we have now. He atleast gives us a better rotation. If healthy!

[Ballhawk]

We are just throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.

[crazyhorse]

There goes your only pass catching RB.

The interceptions will continue.

Denver is really blowing it this off season.

[epicSocialism4tw]

There goes your only pass catching RB.

The interceptions will continue.

Denver is really blowing it this off season.

Are you serious? :kiddingme

[Sir Mawn]

There goes your only pass catching RB.

The interceptions will continue.

Denver is really blowing it this off season.

Kyle Johnson has decent ball catching skills

[Kaylore]

Kyle Johnson has decent ball catching skills
And excellent cutback ability.

[Clockwork Orange]

There goes your only pass catching RB.

The interceptions will continue.

Denver is really blowing it this off season.

Spoken by the true epitome of objectivity.::)

Call me when the Chefs finally get those Samari Rolle & Edgerton Hartwell contracts done.

[CBF1]

Ebenezer Ekuban DE 28 6-3 275 6 North Carolina

Good fit in the rotation for sure.

[broncohaven]

Can we officially begin losing all hope for the season?

D-line has probably gotten considerably worse.
No upgrade at WR.
Lost starting FS and nickel CB.

On the other hand, we improved the linebacking corps and DJWilliams should dominate next season.
The Dline certainly isn't worse, it hardly could be. We lost Heyward who, imo, is overrated. We gained a solid DT and a DE who if he's healthy can be a stud. where's the worse come from?

[Ratboy]

The Denver Browns!

[missingnumber7]

I think its just shanny's hint that he wants to start wearing ORANGE again.

[ncjmirabile]

Can we officially begin losing all hope for the season?

D-line has probably gotten considerably worse.
No upgrade at WR.
Lost starting FS and nickel CB.

On the other hand, we improved the linebacking corps and DJWilliams should dominate next season.

Lost starting SS never had a true FS.

[Ratboy]

Actually.. Our defensive line is better then last year.

If they stay healthy, We're going to be good.

[sirhcyennek81]

Geesh. gone a week, broncos trade for two defensive ends and make the line that much deeper. crazy.

[TexanBob]

Can you say "Denver Browns"?

I was thinking "Browncos".

[delany]

Done deal now it looks like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2025542

For the third time this month, the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) have acquired a defensive lineman from the Cleveland Browns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle), this time landing veteran end Ebenezer Ekuban (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4668) in exchange for running back Reuben Droughns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5110), who is coming off a 1,000-yard season.

<!--------------------------START PLAYER CARD------------------>

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</td> <td bgcolor="#ecece4" width="200"> <!---------------------HEADSHOT TABLE STARTS HERE--------------------> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td colspan="2"> Ebenezer Ekuban (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4668)
Defensive End
Cleveland Browns</td> <td rowspan="2" width="65">http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s4668.jpg</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="67"> Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4668)
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!---------------------HEADSHOT TABLE ENDS HERE--------------------> </td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="8">
</td> <td bgcolor="#ecece4" width="200"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4"><tbody><tr><td> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="190"> <tbody><tr align="center" bgcolor="#002175" valign="top"> <td colspan="6"><center>2004 SEASON STATISTICS</center></td></tr> <tr align="right" bgcolor="#bcbcb4"> <td width="17%">Tot</td> <td width="17%">Ast</td> <td width="17%">Solo</td> <td width="17%">FF</td> <td width="17%">Sack</td> <td width="17%">Int</td> </tr> <tr align="right" bgcolor="#bcbcb4"> <td>39</td> <td>29</td> <td>10</td> <td>1</td> <td>8</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <!---------------------INLINE MINI-PLAYER CARD ENDS HERE--------------------> The trade is contingent on both players passing physical exams with their new franchises. Ekuban arrived in Denver on Tuesday afternoon and Droughns is scheduled to travel to Cleveland on Wednesday.

Because Ekuban underwent knee and shoulder surgeries since the conclusion of the season, and might not be completely rehabilitated until sometime in May, the swap might include a safeguard, in the form of a 2006 draft pick, to protect the Broncos against the injuries.

Ekuban will join a pair of former Cleveland linemates, tackle Gerard Warren (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5450) and end Courtney Brown (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5030), with the Broncos as the team continues to rebuild its defensive front. Warren was acquired in a trade three weeks ago for a fourth-round draft pick. Brown reached a contract agreement in principle with Denver on Monday evening. All three of the players are former first-round draft choices.

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</td> <td bgcolor="#ecece4" width="200"> <!---------------------HEADSHOT TABLE STARTS HERE--------------------> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="6"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td colspan="2"> Reuben Droughns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5110)
Running Back
Denver Broncos</td> <td rowspan="2" width="65">http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s5110.jpg</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="67"> Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5110)
</td> <td width="68">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!---------------------HEADSHOT TABLE ENDS HERE--------------------> </td></tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="8">
</td> <td bgcolor="#ecece4" width="200"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4"><tbody><tr><td> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="190"> <tbody><tr align="center" bgcolor="#002175" valign="top"> <td colspan="6"><center>2004 SEASON STATISTICS</center></td></tr> <tr align="right" bgcolor="#bcbcb4"> <td width="17%">Rush</td> <td width="17%">Yds</td> <td width="17%">TD</td> <td width="17%">Rec</td> <td width="17%">Yds</td> <td width="17%">TD</td> </tr> <tr align="right" bgcolor="#bcbcb4"> <td>275</td> <td>1240</td> <td>6</td> <td>32</td> <td>241</td> <td>2</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <!---------------------INLINE MINI-PLAYER CARD ENDS HERE--------------------> Droughns, 26, enjoyed a career year in 2004, carrying 275 times for 1,240 yards and six touchdowns. He also posted 32 receptions for 241 yards and two touchdowns. All those numbers represented career highs for the five-year veteran, who had played fullback for most of his NFL tenure, but was forced to start at tailback in 2004 because of injuries.

Entering the season, Droughns, who began his career with the Detroit Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) in 2000 after starring at the University of Oregon, had just 40 rushes for 97 yards.

"It's a great opportunity for Reuben, because it allows him to stay at tailback, which was a big priority," agent Drew Rosenhaus said Tuesday night. "Given his production in '04, he really didn't want to go back to playing fullback. He felt like he established himself as a viable tailback, a guy who could carry a team's running game."

Earlier this offseason, the Broncos, at the request of Rosenhaus, granted permission for Droughns to explore potential trade scenarios with other teams. The Broncos tailback depth chart is certainly a crowded one and it is all but certain Droughns would have gone back to the fullback spot, and would have had to compete for the starting job there if he had not been traded.

There are two seasons remaining on Droughns' contract, with base salaries of $950,000 for 2005 and $1.15 million for '06. Rosenhaus said he has not yet discussed with Browns officials the possibility of an extension.

Droughns will serve as the backup to projected starting tailback Lee Suggs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6451). His addition will likely spell the end of former first-round tailback William Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5902)'s oft-troubled three-year stint in Cleveland. The Browns probably will now release Green, their top choice in the '02 draft, but a player plagued by off-field problems.

Ekuban, 28, entered the NFL as the Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal)' first-round choice in 1999. After five years with the Cowboys, he signed with Cleveland as an unrestricted free agent in 2004 and enjoyed a strong season, notching 39 tackles and a career-high eight sacks. At 6-feet-3 and 275 pounds, Ekuban lacked the bulk to play in the 3-4 front Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel will install. The Broncos have said they will play some 3-4 fronts, but not necessarily as their "base" defense. Denver has been seeking to upgrade at end, and to add more pass-rush potential, since losing Reggie Hayward (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5535) to Jacksonville as an unrestricted free agent earlier this month. They are hopeful that Brown and Ekuban will provide dual upfield rush threats.

In six seasons, Ekuban, who played collegiately at North Carolina, has 151 tackles and 20½ sacks in 76 games. Ekuban is scheduled to earn base salaries of $2 million in 2005 and $3 million in 2006.

[ro_50]

We can bring back Michael Dean Perry as well.

Seriously, I see they are trying to bring in depth and talent. But w/ guys w/ injury questions. I admire their attempt, but these guys are young and have had injuries. I could understand if they are veterans. But these are guys like EE and CB that have been around not that long and when people think of them, they think of injuries.

[chanesaw]

Not Kosar, but I wouldn't suprised if we signed Tim Couch.

[-Slap-]

You got it right Wabbit.

Pyrce is going to be used to move up and attempt a run at a corner either Rolle or Jones are the target. The trade partner maybe Washington.

That's all I'm saying on that.

As for this Cleveland connection. It's the stupidest thing Shanny has ever done.

Nothing could really salvage this afterbirth-of-a-mongolian-jerk**** of an off season, but Antrel Rolle and Vincent Jackson on Draft Day would help.

[labronco]

Actually.. Our defensive line is better then last year.

If they stay healthy, We're going to be good.

stay healthy? that's a big if. they are not even recovered yet.

[FADERPROOF]

I actually dont mind this move, may seem weird after how critical I've been off both Warren and Brown, but this move doesnt make me nearly as mad as the others,

[-Slap-]

It just seems an odd strategy, exclusively targeting players of a particular unit from the same unsuccessful team.

[sirhcyennek81]

sometimes its not the player, its the team they play for. if you played for cleveland, how excited and pumped up would you be to win week in and out?

[wabbit]

This guy is Reggie Hayward...Ekuban I mean...cheaper, same skills...fills a role

[DBroncos4life]

This guy is Reggie Hayward...Ekuban I mean...cheaper, same skills...fills a role


Do you have any idea to what round of pick we are asking for with this deal? Something in 06 is what I have seen but it can't be very high or atleast I would think not.

[wabbit]

You mean if Ekuban doesn't work out??

Third or foruth I suspect...I don't know that for sure

Ekuban has to pass a physical some time in April or early May

I'm certain Shanahan will want to work him out at, at least one of the mini-camps

[DBroncos4life]

You mean if Ekuban doesn't work out??

Third or foruth I suspect...I don't know that for sure

Ekuban has to pass a physical some time in April or early May

I'm certain Shanahan will want to work him out at, at least one of the mini-camps


Yeah sorry Im pretty worn out but I'm trying to catch up on the stuff I missed out on. I think thats the best part of the trade. We get a pick if he gets hurt.

[Odysseus]

I'm of the opinion that SHanahan wants him gone, one way or another.

I agree with those who say he still could be a major asset, but there is something in the way the organization avoids talk about him...other than to (now) say he might return.

I just get the sense he may be traded on, or about draft day.

If not...I have no idea as of this moment.

This whole thing is bull****! It's a pissing contest that niether of them are going to win. This should have been resolved long ago. Pryce doesn't want to restructure. He's just keeping pressure on his interests. Pryce has lost the coach's confidence and that is something that is hard to put a dollar amount on. I am optimistic they can work this out but if it doesn't I hope the Broncos don't do the usual couple players short of a real defense trick.

[ClevelandBronco]

The way things are shaping up I might have to change my name to DenverBrown.

[DBroncos4life]

This whole thing is bull****! It's a pissing contest that niether of them are going to win. This should have been resolved long ago. Pryce doesn't want to restructure. He's just keeping pressure on his interests. Pryce has lost the coach's confidence and that is something that is hard to put a dollar amount on. I am optimistic they can work this out but if it doesn't I hope the Broncos don't do the usual couple players short of a real defense trick.



What I don't get is Pryce thinks hes going to dominate next year. So that means he must think hes healthy. Why not take the deal Denver had on the table then with all of the bonuses? I don't believe hes going to get much more then Denver is offering at this point anyways. My guess is hes full of poop and is scared that he can't play at his old level.

[Rascal]

With the two salaries of Eukaban and Myers there is no way we keep Pryce if we are still going after Douglas.

So who isn't injured on this d-line? Is anybody healthy?

[Sarcastro]

With the two salaries of Eukaban and Myers there is no way we keep Pryce if we are still going after Douglas.

So who isn't injured on this d-line? Is anybody healthy?

I don't think anyone is. The Chiefs could trade you Ryan Sims for a 2nd. It would be a steal on your part. 1st round talent for a 2nd round pick! Just think of it, Denver with a D-line comprised entirely of 1st rounders.

[DBroncos4life]

I still want us to bring back Ellis Johnson. While we maybe lacking a true star we have a lot of depth and good rotation guys, and sometimes thats more then enough. Looking at things we have quite a few guys that can get us atleast 5 sacks. Warren is my biggest hope for our sack leader next year. A healthy Luther should toss in 3 or more sacks. Palepoi should get 5 or more sacks for us as well. Brown? Oh man if he can stay healthy that would be a huge plus for us. Ekuban is another guy that can get 5 or more sacks as well. Right now if everything works out for us (whens the last time that worked out though?) We just may have some people to push the pocket and thats not including our LBs.

[Fundamentals]

His fumble count is low, but he didn't have that many touches over his career. Does he have a fumbling problem?

Also, he has a high return average on kickoffs, did he frequently do that for Denver? What can we expect in that department?

You mentioned he wore down. Initial reports have him backing up Lee Suggs in Cleveland. He would get around 10-15 carries a game, especially in goalline situations, to go along with a potential kick returner. That wouldn't be too much would it?

[Clockwork Orange]

His fumble count is low, but he didn't have that many touches over his career. Does he have a fumbling problem?

Also, he has a high return average on kickoffs, did he frequently do that for Denver? What can we expect in that department?

You mentioned he wore down. Initial reports have him backing up Lee Suggs in Cleveland. He would get around 10-15 carries a game, especially in goalline situations, to go along with a potential kick returner. That wouldn't be too much would it?

He had a hand injury last year that he played through and caused him to cough it up a few times. Not a fumbler by any means though.

Solid kick returner, nothing spectacular. He's not a threat to take one the distance, but he generally gets decent yardage on returns.

I think that kind of workload will suit him just fine. He got a LOT of carries when he first took on the job and his body took a beating. To his credit he kept on trucking despite being nicked up and had a very good season.

He's a hard worker and a team guy, you won't be unhappy with him.

[labronco]

i was a reuben fan. i thought he did an admirable job for us. however, if ekuban can play this year, i won't look back. no shedding tears from this bronco fan.

[Clockwork Orange]

I wish Reuben all the best. He was a good guy in his tenure here, did everything that was asked of him and never complained. I can't fault the guy for wanting to stay at running back rather than move back to fullback. He was willing to move back to fullback with the Broncos had a trade not been made, just typical of his character.

Good luck Reub.

[Odysseus]

Reuben is a great team player and a fun guy to be around. I hope that he gets a chance to show off for the Browns. He's a good addition for them.

I look forward to seeing what these guys look like in June.