What Browns fans are saying about Courtney Brown...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is verbatim.


Good riddance.



The Browns wasted a lot of money on him.



Warren and Brown.....Oh boy is Denver going to have a stellar pass rush and run d......


LOL, the IRONY of Denver's "NEW" defensive line is hilarious!!!


Have fun this year Shannahan!!! LOL


C Brown is absolutely no loss.

Don't base your opinion on his speed from his college days. His numerous knee surgeries have limited his ability. I wouldn't pay him money, he can't stay healthy. Why pay when he can't play?

[orangefever]

Saw this on an NFL Board as well:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5030/injuries.html)

INJURIES
Date Status Injury
09/21/2004 Injured Reserve Left foot
09/19/2004 Day-to-Day Sprained foot
12/09/2003 Injured Reserve Ruptured right bicep tendon
12/09/2003 Injured Reserve Ruptured right bicep tendon
12/04/2003 Probable Ankle
09/10/2003 Probable Foot
12/18/2002 Injured Reserve Knee
12/18/2002 Out Knee
12/18/2002 Injured Reserve Knee
12/12/2002 Doubtful Knee
09/18/2002 Questionable Neck
09/11/2002 Probable Neck
01/02/2002 Injured Reserve Ankle
12/26/2001 Questionable Ankle
12/19/2001 Doubtful Ankle
12/12/2001 Doubtful Knee
12/05/2001 Doubtful Ankle
12/02/2001 Day-to-day Left ankle
10/31/2001 Probable Knee
10/17/2001 Doubtful Knee
10/10/2001 Out Knee
10/03/2001 Out Knee
09/26/2001 Out Knee
09/20/2001 Out Knee
09/05/2001 Out Knee

[Clockwork Orange]

Yawn.

Plenty of them were hoping to get him back a reduced price. The Redskins fans suddenly decided they didn't want him after he signed elsewhere too. Funny how that happens.

No different than Chefs fans all of a sudden downgrading Edgerton Hartwell when he signed with Atlanta.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No different than Chefs fans all of a sudden downgrading Edgerton Hartwell when he signed with Atlanta.

I never downgraded him. I'm very disappointed we couldn't grab him.

[OrangeShadow]

deal is health based you ass

[FADERPROOF]

I hate it when Browns fans actually have good points.

[LifersRaiders]

I hate it when Browns fans actually have good points.Between Brown and Pryce, Denver's d-line is gonna look like an emergency room. Denver loses their best pash rusher to FA and now they're pinning their hopes on two guys who can't stay healthy. This bodes well for Oaklands nuclear powered offense. You have to know Chump Bailey isn't looking forward to being embarrassed on national TV, again.

[Ballhawk]

What Brown fans are saying "Why didn't we sign him to an incentive deal?"

[Hogan11]

I hate it when Browns fans actually have good points.

I'm with you on these guys Den...they're gonna have to prove their worth to me.

[SoCalBronco]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.

[delany]

These are some of the other quotes that are mixed right in with the ones that Boob selected off the forum. What a surprise that Boob skewed his post.

Well, hopefully Denver will get more out of Warren and Brown than we did.

The Browns made them millionaires, and saw little results from it. Courtney is a great guy, and I wish him the best of luck.

Hate to see him go but he just was not worth the money.

This is no big loss if Courtney continues his string of injuries. However, if he stays healthy, this will cost us big time. The guy is a true talent and we won't be able to get anyone who can play as good as he can.

I will say that although I am not ecstatic that CB is leaving the Browns (super classy guy), I am glad that all of the hilarity of the previous Cleveland Browns is ending.

Good luck to Courtney. Had tough luck in Cleveland and maybe it'll change.

[labronco]

One thing good about shanny is that he is all for competition. if courtney comes back healthy and able to compete, he'll have chance to play. i think this is vastly different situation than i-hop, but it all depends on the contract detail. all these rumors about incentive laden deal are conjectures at this point. i am sure we must have sweetened the deal a little for courtney to decide on us among many suiters.

i am not that excited about this deal, because as it stands, courtney is a bust and we don't have much to lose. if he turns out to be something else that's great for us, but i wouldn't have my hopes up. we should not consider this as adding to our depth, cuz he just failed a freakin' physical.

we still need to concentrate on defense on this draft.

[Hogan11]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.

True...but after so many D-line signing duds...I'd like to see one risk actually come through and produce for a change.

[Sodak]

True...but after so many D-line signing duds...I'd like to see one risk actually come through and produce for a change.

I'll second that. How many FA D-Line busts in the last 10 years? Our luck has got to change sometime.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'll second that. How many FA D-Line busts in the last 10 years? Our luck has got to change sometime.

How many were actually given serious money? Shanny's problem is going cheap on the DL.

[delany]

How many were actually given serious money? Shanny's problem is going cheap on the DL.

Like IHop?

[Sodak]

How many were actually given serious money? Shanny's problem is going cheap on the DL.

Ahhhh, there's the hook...
Now I know somebody can come up with a list of names since '98...

I'm just too lazy... :)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Like IHop?

Like no. $3M upfront over a 7 year deal with the possibilty of another $2M bonus after the first year is pretty paltry for what DL are paid in the NFL.

[Sodak]

Like IHop?

I didn't want to say that. It would have been too obvious.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Ahhhh, there's the hook...
Now I know somebody can come up with a list of names since '98...

I'm just too lazy... :)

There's no one.

Pittman could have been said to have gotten a mid-level deal. Of course Shanahan's first choice that year was Brady Smith who went to Atlanta.

Archembeau got nothing.

Dalton's deal was not that big, and neither was IHOP's.

Total money is the worst indicator of a large deal since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed.

Shanahan's problem has been that he's been afraid to throw out real money for a DL and thinks he can get by on "one more shot" vets or young guys with something to prove.

[watermock]

I like this plan. We can put our Free Agents on IR right along with our draft choices.

[Sodak]

I was thinking of Lett also.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I was thinking of Lett also.

That was like a year or two and pretty much the minimum

[Sodak]

That was like a year or two and pretty much the minimum

Yep. After the goal line stupidity with Dallas, I'm suprised he got what he did.

[delany]

There's no one.

Pittman could have been said to have gotten a mid-level deal. Of course Shanahan's first choice that year was Brady Smith who went to Atlanta.

Archembeau got nothing.

Dalton's deal was not that big, and neither was IHOP's.

Total money is the worst indicator of a large deal since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed.

Shanahan's problem has been that he's been afraid to throw out real money for a DL and thinks he can get by on "one more shot" vets or young guys with something to prove.


Albeit not another teams FA but Pryce got 'real' money...i.e. Shanny DID invest in the position.

It is interesting to me how Shanny arrives at some of his decisions. He seems to lean more on non-traditional or informal sources of information...like new coaches and personal relationships. Maybe this is the norm...but some of these close relationships have let Shanny down in the past.

Consider:

He listened to David Gibbs about his Gopher chum Middlebrooks
He listened to his Florida buddy Lee McGriff about his son Travis
He listened to his son regarding his Duke friend, Lennie Friedman
and now...
He listened to Patterson about his Browns linemen, Brown and Warren

[yavoon]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.

famous last words

[flair]

I dont know what to say ....W ell at least we are not like the cHiefs were last year and just stay put and come back worse than we were the year before.

[bpc]

Who cares... look at how that organization has been run over the past 5 years since coming back in the league.

Denver has a way better "plan" to use these players and be successful... I'm telling you... Pryce, Brown, Warren, and Cody... that would be a hell of a front four and with the reserves we would have, (basically starters from last year with Fatefehi and Pope) we would be night and day better over what we had last year.

[broncos love]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.


Great point cal, we have been burned in the past as all of yall know. Gardener,Carter,A.Milller, and so on. Its great to know that brown is based on him be healthy in order to get incentives on his contract.

[FADERPROOF]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.

We wouldn't be burned if he doesnt produce, and we still have a terrible defensive line? I'd rather be burned financially with production rather than burned production wise but will come cheap.

Signing a potential starter in hopes of helping our defensive line in certainly getting burned if he doesnt produce, no matter the contract.

[Taco John]

Why in the world would anyone care what a Browns fans has to say? Might as well be listening to Cardinals, Lions, Chiefs or any other fans of loser franchises who wouldn't know talent if it slapped them across the forehead.

[FADERPROOF]

Why in the world would anyone care what a Browns fans has to say? Might as well be listening to Cardinals, Lions, Chiefs or any other fans of loser franchises who wouldn't know talent if it slapped them across the forehead.

Can a few Browns fans be excluded from that list if they are your dad and brother? Just curious cause I'd hate it after all these years to finally realize that I shouldn't care what they have to say ;)

[Taco John]

Can a few Browns fans be excluded from that list if they are your dad and brother? Just curious cause I'd hate it after all these years to finally realize that I shouldn't care what they have to say ;)



You can listen to your dad. You should tell your brother to get bent. ;)

[Maximus]

Go to response #13 this Browns fan has a pretty good take on warren & brown

http://www.raiderskickass.com/showthread.php?t=2659

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Saw this on an NFL Board as well:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5030/injuries.html)

INJURIES
Date Status Injury
09/21/2004 Injured Reserve Left foot
09/19/2004 Day-to-Day Sprained foot
12/09/2003 Injured Reserve Ruptured right bicep tendon
12/09/2003 Injured Reserve Ruptured right bicep tendon
12/04/2003 Probable Ankle
09/10/2003 Probable Foot
12/18/2002 Injured Reserve Knee
12/18/2002 Out Knee
12/18/2002 Injured Reserve Knee
12/12/2002 Doubtful Knee
09/18/2002 Questionable Neck
09/11/2002 Probable Neck
01/02/2002 Injured Reserve Ankle
12/26/2001 Questionable Ankle
12/19/2001 Doubtful Ankle
12/12/2001 Doubtful Knee
12/05/2001 Doubtful Ankle
12/02/2001 Day-to-day Left ankle
10/31/2001 Probable Knee
10/17/2001 Doubtful Knee
10/10/2001 Out Knee
10/03/2001 Out Knee
09/26/2001 Out Knee
09/20/2001 Out Knee
09/05/2001 Out Knee


Injury is a lot about luck. Also maybe Brown was playing too heavy and needs to lose weight to put less stress on his joints. When he was Penn. I think he was heathier and lighter.

[Bronx33]

Between Brown and Pryce, Denver's d-line is gonna look like an emergency room. Denver loses their best pash rusher to FA and now they're pinning their hopes on two guys who can't stay healthy. This bodes well for Oaklands nuclear powered offense. You have to know Chump Bailey isn't looking forward to being embarrassed on national TV, again.


This bodes well for Oaklands nuclear powered offense



This has yet to be determined...............
;D

[TheManeMan]

Why in the world would anyone care what a Browns fans has to say?


Seriously...who gives a flying f**k...???

[RaiderH8r]

Between Brown and Pryce, Denver's d-line is gonna look like an emergency room. Denver loses their best pash rusher to FA and now they're pinning their hopes on two guys who can't stay healthy. This bodes well for Oaklands nuclear powered offense. You have to know Chump Bailey isn't looking forward to being embarrassed on national TV, again.
Between Sapp and Washington the Fade D Line looks a lot like the before pictures in a Subway Ad. Those two are as worthless as tits on a chicken.

And winning cures all ills. I'm sure Brown will be a lot more eager to take the field when he knows he's got a class organization around him with the potential for playoff goodness.

[RaiderH8r]

Injury is a lot about luck. Also maybe Brown was playing too heavy and needs to lose weight to put less stress on his joints. When he was Penn. I think he was heathier and lighter.
Or when your team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by week 7 every year you kind of don't see the point in "rubbing a little dirt" on an injury and getting back out there. He'll be game.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Or when your team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs by week 7 every year you kind of don't see the point in "rubbing a little dirt" on an injury and getting back out there. He'll be game.
That too.

[TheNextStep]

we cant be burned here. Its incentive based.

Sure you can, SoCal. You're burned if the guy doesn't perform, period. Let's face it: None of us are fans of our football teams because we really like seeing the team owner make an investment.

It isn't our f***ing money. What we care about is what a player does on the field. If Brown can't stay healthy or can't make an impact on the field, you're burned... no matter what his contractual status is.

[delany]

Sure you can, SoCal. You're burned if the guy doesn't perform, period. Let's face it: None of us are fans of our football teams because we really like seeing the team owner make an investment.

It isn't our f***ing money. What we care about is what a player does on the field. If Brown can't stay healthy or can't make an impact on the field, you're burned... no matter what his contractual status is.

TNS....that was the 'royal' WE

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why in the world would anyone care what a Browns fans has to say? Might as well be listening to Cardinals, Lions, Chiefs or any other fans of loser franchises who wouldn't know talent if it slapped them across the forehead.
That's the funniest thing ever. Let's examine:

1. Broncos are signing garbage off the Browns trash heap

2. We have Tony Gonzalez, Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes and Will Shields as the requisite "studs" on our football team. Who does Denver have, exactly? Zero studs on offense and maybe two on defense.

Courtney Brown = Vonnie Holliday

[dumpy]

That's the funniest thing ever. Let's examine:

2. We have Tony Gonzalez, Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes and Will Shields as the requisite "studs" on our football team. Who does Denver have, exactly? Zero studs on offense and maybe two on defense.



But yet the Broncos had a better record.

Kendrell Bell = Mike Croel

[broncohaven]

What are the Brow's fans saying about the state of their franchise while Brown and Warren were there? These guys have never had a chance to succeed playing for a desperate franchise since entering the league.

[watermock]

Jesus Christ Bob....and you guys signed "Mr. Groin" Bell and are flirting with one legged Ty Law?

When I see Brown's contract I will comment. I think we are still two DL short, one in round 1 and another FA. If we have a friendly deal that's a 5 year deal, I don't care if Denver puts him on IR and hires a Thai Girl name Missy to give him happy endings. Hell, why not hire a dozen Missy's if it will improve the grumpy posturing at Dove Valley.

That's how mock would attract these Animals to flock to Dove Valley. Plus it would keep them out of pancake establishments at 3 A.M.

[Mediator12]

That's the funniest thing ever. Let's examine:

1. Broncos are signing garbage off the Browns trash heap

2. We have Tony Gonzalez, Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes and Will Shields as the requisite "studs" on our football team. Who does Denver have, exactly? Zero studs on offense and maybe two on defense.

Courtney Brown = Vonnie Holliday

Funny except for the fact that Roaf is 36, Shields 35, Gonzo 29, Holmes 31 and injured two of the last three seasons significantly. Not exactly spring chickens. In fact Brian Waters at 28 is the youngest guy on your whole starting offense. The Chiefs are slowly becoming the Raiders on Offense from several years ago.

Hey, how is Kendrell Bell's shoulder BTW. Signing the Steelers garbage are we Bob? What about Sammy Knight? Signing more cover safeties when you have Zero adequate CB's should really help Gunther's blitz packages eh?

As for the Broncos, they are taking risks signing Brown and Warren. However, they did not give them the farm to do it like previous Injured/underperforming FA's. Here is the deal though. The Broncos DL has been pedestrian at best under Coyer's tenure. And he has greatly worked previous underachievers into solid players. What if he, Jacob Burney, and Patterson have success with Warren and CB is able to stay healthy? Denver gets its best DL in years especially if Pryce comes back.

Match that with A super fast LB core and exceptional secondary and this defense will realize the potential it had last year before Pryce's injury. If not, Coyer has been able to put together Good defenses without Playmakers at DL unlike Gunther and the Chiefs the last three years. Worst case scenario is the defense finishes just outside the top 10 if none of these guys perform. And that takes into effect only current roster without Draft and possibly still signing Marques Douglas. Best case, they tear up the AFC and EARN a defensive ranking in the top 3. They will probably get mixed results IMHO and remain top 5.

[Tom A Hawk]

sometmes these things work out for the best........change of scenery, change of life who knows what else might inspire CB. It is a good safe signing. The only one who loses in this is CB if he doesn't pan out.

I remember Bronco's paying mega bucks for a guy named Dalton.

Came to the Chiefs with a last chance and all that stuff. Plus Chiefs got him really cheap compared to what Denver paid him.

The CB situation could be similar.

[Ray Finkle]

sometmes these things work out for the best........change of scenery, change of life who knows what else might inspire CB. It is a good safe signing. The only one who loses in this is CB if he doesn't pan out.

I remember Bronco's paying mega bucks for a guy named Dalton.

Came to the Chiefs with a last chance and all that stuff. Plus Chiefs got him really cheap compared to what Denver paid him.

The CB situation could be similar.


really? they paid him mega bucks? that's news to me....

[bronco militia]

Sure you can, SoCal. You're burned if the guy doesn't perform, period. Let's face it: None of us are fans of our football teams because we really like seeing the team owner make an investment.

It isn't our f***ing money. What we care about is what a player does on the field. If Brown can't stay healthy or can't make an impact on the field, you're burned... no matter what his contractual status is.

come on TNS?!?!?

it is my ****ing money that pays for my season tickets or anyone else that forks over the cash to see a game!!

[RaiderH8r]

come on TNS?!?!?

it is my ****ing money that pays for my season tickets or anyone else that forks over the cash to see a game!!
TNS is a Fade fan so he means it when he says it's not HIS money.....it's the guy he mugged on the way to the game's money

[watermock]

TNS is a valuable poster. It just sucks he is on the dark side, but that is his lot.

He's not bantering about his defense at all...he knows it sucks...look, Denver layed a turd at home on national TV again against Oakland.

Oakland has an AFC Championship game under it's belt and a trip to the SuperBowl while Denver has toiled and stumbled into embarrasing playoff losses against Baltimore, Indy and Indy, not winning the division for half a decade. That's just the fact. Oakland, Kansas City, and even San Diego have all won Divisional Championships since Elway and company faded away.

Denver has a filthy habit of stumbling down the stretch like some Gelding that needs Lasix, then falling on it's nose in the playoffs.

I had suffered thru 4 Vikings SB losses, and 4 Denver losses till the slate was wiped clean. That slate now has serious dust. I have said it a million times that I believe that Kubiak should move on. He panics way too early and is a HORRIBLE redzone playcaller. when your most effective play is Patrick Hape for a one yard TD, you have to look at your playcalling. Even ALLOWING Jake to audible that fade route last year was totally rediculous.

[Old Dude]

Hey Bob:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/63766main_molelightning.gif

[Broncoblood]

Now that we have CB, maybe he'll lose 30 Lbs and then we can line him up on along side Champ at reciever, there is a perfect under and deep bait threat*****

[Broncoblood]

All in all, I like the incentive based deal Shanny gave him, If he is such a piece of Sh!+, then why did he have more than a couple of teams after him. Seriously, this was a good move by Denver.

Any ways, if he was really washed up and wanting to be overpaid, I sure the New Moss look faiders would have jumped all over him!!

[labronx]

Check out this Post by A BROWNS fan!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus
First I don't think that Brown will sign with the Donks. I think that he'll stay with Cleveland. Warren isn't going to make a major impact with the donks. They're trying to go to the 3-4 defense which will require him to be a 2 gapper. I don't think he has the strength to play DT in that defense.

Courtney Brown will probably realize this and sign with another team or with the Browns. The Raiders have a huge offensive line and with the addition of Jordan we should have a pretty potent running game. Warren & Brown were involved in the record setting debacles against the Ravens and I think the same type of performances could be repeated in denver.

Quote:
Originally Posted by romeshomey

When other players are making career decisions instead of making a tackle, Courtney is not thinking about his career and instead puts his whole body on the line just to make that tackle, he is a tremendous force when on the field, and there isn't a player or fan that has watched him play that can say any differently.

To give an example of how he gets injured, he will hold a blocker with one arm while making a tackle on a halfback or pulling down the quarterback with the other. He is just a massive quick player who is usually doubled up on the line with blockers, and when he is man to man on the line he blows through with his ears pinned back. His only downfall is getting injured, and its always him giving 200% that causes his injury.

Warren is another massive defensive lineman, you don't know him well if you think he isn't strong enough to play DT, but his attitude and selfishness have kept him from being the great player he could be. He has never given 100% on the field on since coming to the NFL, but he is still better and will beat out anyone else that the Broncos can put up to compete with him because he is a competetor in camp because he knows he will lose his job if he doesn't look good, so he always looks great in camp. The only way he will lose a starting job is during the season by not giving 100%, but if he does change his attitude he could be one hell of a NT. He does have the size and strength to do it, but its all in his head.

[Taco John]

Courtney Brown = Vonnie Holliday



I see you keep saying that. I don't know what it means. I guess if you say it enough, someone will care about this evaluation.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I see you keep saying that. I don't know what it means. I guess if you say it enough, someone will care about this evaluation.

Both are around 6-5 290. Both are hurt alot. Neither are very good pass rushers.

Technically it should be Vonnie Holliday > Courtney Brown, because at least Holliday looks like a stud one game out of the year.

[Northman]

True...but after so many D-line signing duds...I'd like to see one risk actually come through and produce for a change.


bad ass Avatar Hogan! woot! Warriors! Come out and Play!!

[TheNextStep]

TNS is a Fade fan so he means it when he says it's not HIS money.....it's the guy he mugged on the way to the game's money

Hey, I apologized for that already! At some point you're going to have to get over it, knowing that I have offered a heartfelt apology and repaid my debt to society. It wasn't like you had that much freakin' money anyways...

Dirtbox Demon - Sure, it is your money that pays for the tickets... and the beer... and the hotdog... and the replica jersey... and whatever else you buy to support your team. And since you lay that money out there, you want to see PRODUCTION.

Hypothetical: Courtney Brown goes out next year and absolutely stinks up the joint. Are you going to say, "Well, at least he was on an incentive based contract?" Hell no, you're not!

I feel the same way when Raider fans get started about Charles Woodson. People say, "oh, I can't believe he's making 10.5 million dollars!" I say, "It isn't coming out of my pocket so I don't give a rat's ass what he's getting paid... just so long as he plays well and helps us win." Then again, it is easy for me to have that attitude because my team's front office has never tried to hide behind the salary cap as an excuse... ;)