Why the hate?

[minibronco]

Disclaimer: Because I am well aware that www.orangemane.com is mainly situated in the Denver, Colorado area, I am also well aware I will receive extreme hatred in this forum. I am willing to give up some rep points to put out this message in this forum to all Kobe haters.

The definition of a fan is simple. A fan follows a team through ups and downs, even if 80% of the team is lost in the offseason and replaced with sweaty-palmed, rim-loving old men who just can't play. Even if they lose. Even if they don't win a championship. Denver fans know. You've followed the Broncos and the Nuggets through ups and downs. Please speak up.

As a Laker fan, I experience the same. The boo-ing. The "BEAT L.A. chants." The "rapist" chants. Heck, in a magazine, the Lakers were voted "FAVORITE TEAM TO ROOT AGAINST." Makes me feel real special, don't it?

The following article totally represents my pain and my feelings through this hate. Please read and holla.

GAMEPOINT- by scoop jackson


He’s become the Kay Slay of the NBA: The Drama King. His life has now become the black male reality version of Desperate Housewives. His stock has dropped like Tyco. And that street cred everyone thought he was trying to earn? Negro, please.

His name was Kobe Bryant. He used to be your hero. He was better than the next best thing to god 23 – he was next, period. He shifted the landscape. He had everything MJ had and was on the verge of remixing it. The blueprint was in place: three rings in five years; the plan was in effect: McDonald’s, Nike, America; the setup was set up: Grant Hill without the injuries.

Then…

It seemed like from either the day Jerry West left the Lakers or the day Kobe got married, his life has not been the same. Neither has he. From one incident to the next allegation to the next occurrence to another circumstance, Kobe’s life, off the court- has been one suicidal tendency after the next. A fall from grace. Some have said Kobe brough all this on himself, and that his “b*t*h ass” deserves everything that is happening to him- and these are peoploe who think he’s innocent of sexual assault. The resentment is reaching Barry Bonds/Terrell Owens combined numbers. Time went the farthest, calling him “the poster boy for athlete’s arrogance.”

Is this where we’re at with Kobe Bryant now? Has his “self-imposed self-destruction” taken you to a place where, if Jerry West doesn’t come back to save L.A., Kob’ll be the Benzino of the basketball world? Did you not watch him drop 48 on the Raptors because the media blamed him for destroying a fallen dynasty that wasn’t winning chips? Will you not buy Nike Hauraches because he’s in them? Did you go to church on ‘em and scream hallelujah on Christmas Day when his 43rd, 44th, and 45th points missed at the buzzer? When Shaq won? When Phil proves right? When the Lakers hit rock bottom? When Dr. Buss sells the franchise? When Kobe retires 10 years before his skills erode and Ricky Williamses himslef from society?

Is this what you want? Is this what will make you happy?

Or should the real question be asked: What did Kobe actually do wrong? To any of you? Personally? To make you feel the way you do about him? To hate him the way you do now?

The job of a journalist is to be objective, the job of a friend is to be loyal. The job of a man is to make that choice.

If Kobe Bryant wants to live with high drama defining his life, if he wants to put himself into, or make public, situations that will have a negative effect on how he’s perceived and lose both money and trust; if he wants to trick-off on Shaq and Malone; if he wants to turn the world that was once his oyster into an island that is no his clam; so be it. So what. It’s his one life to live, his Stringer Bell to keep him alive. The name of his birth certificate reads Kobe Bean Byrant. The name of his tombstone will read the same. In between, as long as he continues dropping almost 30-per, human highlighting arenas and plasma screens, and has the squad that was supposed to be at the top of the Lottery still outballin’ the Clippers, who am I – or you – to pray and prey for his downfall? Objectively, ask yourself that question.

At the 2004 All-Star Game, my kids saw Kobe. They ran to him. He grabbed them and gave them the biggest hug they’d gotten from any ballplayer at media availability. Then he went on to treat my shorties as if they were his. No one else did that. And y’all want me to despise him? Sell him out? Spit on his grave? America, please.

My name was Scoop Jackson, I was an objective journalist. I am a friend of Kobe Bryant. If you read this expecting me to hate on Kobe for becoming what he’s become in your eyes, you’ve just read the wrong “b*t*h ass” column.

[SoCalBronco]

**** the Lakers, i hate them and i always will and i live in L.A. I am glad their playoff hopes officially died tonight. Its about time that organization was humiliated and put in their place. I am sick of L.A. fans who dont deserve ****, putting up those stupid Laker flags on cars.

[Sassy]

Kobe is not the only reason to hate the Lakers.
I am now a Wade fan ;D That dude can play some ball.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

NBA? Don't watch it.

[minibronco]

**** the Lakers, i hate them and i always will and i live in L.A. I am glad their playoff hopes officially died tonight. Its about time that organization was humiliated and put in their place. I am sick of L.A. fans who dont deserve ****, putting up those stupid Laker flags on cars.

Although I am not one of those people who PUTTING UP THOSE STUPID LAKER FLAGS ON CARS, I am a Laker fan. And they are not mathematically out.

Looking as the only Laker fan on this forum, I will try to make this forum interesting by offering rebuttals to all of your hate posts.

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"It seemed like from either the day Jerry West left the Lakers..."

The franchise went straight down the crapper.

http://www.siamsport.co.th/nba_logo.jpg

[minibronco]

Kobe is not the only reason to hate the Lakers.
I am now a Wade fan ;D That dude can play some ball.

Rebuttal: What other reasons are there?

[SoCalBronco]

Although I am not one of those people who PUTTING UP THOSE STUPID LAKER FLAGS ON CARS, I am a Laker fan. And they are not mathematically out.

Looking as the only Laker fan on this forum, I will try to make this forum interesting by offering rebuttals to all of your hate posts.

there are many Laker fans on this forum not just you. And yes, they are done. 5.5 back with 15 or so to play with a tougher schedule than Denver. There is no viable way they make it in. None. Enjoy.

[minibronco]

NBA? Don't watch it.

Just neutral.

[Sassy]

Rebuttal: What other reasons are there?
Anything having to do with gold and purple...
LA in general.
The "star" status they put on the players...
and the frickin' stars that pretend they like the NBA....

Shaq....even as a member of the Heat.

[minibronco]

there are many Laker fans on this forum not just you. And yes, they are done. 5.5 back with 15 or so to play with a tougher schedule than Denver. There is no viable way they make it in. None. Enjoy.

The Crystal Ball predicts: Denver go on a 15 game losing streak, Minnesota go on a 7 game losing streak, Lakers go on a 15 game win streak. Not MATHEMATICALLY out. Hear me out. MATHEMATICALLY. As for the other Laker fans, step up.

[Clockwork Orange]

So this guy says that he's Kobe's friend and that he owes it to Kobe to be loyal to him by shilling for him in his columns. Nice bit of journalistic integrity there "Scoop", you have all the makings of the next Ahmad "Michael Jordan is my best friend and my main man" Rashaad.

Besides, Kobe already has that parasite Jim Gray tounging his sack. Tell "Scoop" to go be someone elses lackey.

[minibronco]

Anything having to do with gold and purple...
LA in general.
The "star" status they put on the players...
and the frickin' stars that pretend they like the NBA....

Shaq....even as a member of the Heat.

Do you watch... movies?

[minibronco]

So this guy says that he's Kobe's friend and that he owes it to Kobe to be loyal to him by shilling for him in his columns. Nice bit of journalistic integrity there "Scoop", you have all the makings of the next Ahmad "Michael Jordan is my best friend and my main man" Rashaad.

Besides, Kobe already has that parasite Jim Gray tounging his sack. Tell "Scoop" to go be someone elses lackey.

That first part (excluding the ending) I agree to. For the rest, <no comment>

[minibronco]

"It seemed like from either the day Jerry West left the Lakers..."

The franchise went straight down the crapper.

http://www.siamsport.co.th/nba_logo.jpg

Awww.... yes. Pulling out a single quote. Did u stop reading there? :kiddingme

[SoCalBronco]

The Crystal Ball predicts: Denver go on a 15 game losing streak, Minnesota go on a 7 game losing streak, Lakers go on a 15 game win streak. Not MATHEMATICALLY out. Hear me out. MATHEMATICALLY. As for the other Laker fans, step up.

No one cares about miniscule mathematic possibilities. This is like a 49er fan saying since everyone is 0-0 no matter how are teams look, we have a CHANCE to win the super bowl like everyone else. Its absolutely ludicrous statement. Go cling to your 0.5% chance. This isnt reasonably up for debate. 5.5 back with 15 to go and a tougher schedule remaining. Done.

[Sassy]

Do you watch... movies?
What are you talking about.
I hate the NBA in general not just the Lakers.
I didn't mind watching the Jazz play when Stockton and Malone were there...now I don't like Malone, either.

Wade is a cool player though. I watched him play against the Bucks in Miami last Monday night. He's awesome.

[minibronco]

No one cares about miniscule mathematic possibilities. This is like a 49er fan saying since everyone is 0-0 no matter how are teams look, we have a CHANCE to win the super bowl like everyone else. Its absolutely ludicrous statement. Go cling to your 0.5% chance. This isnt reasonably up for debate. 5.5 back with 15 to go and a tougher schedule remaining. Done.

Awww...c'mon. Do the Broncs have a bid for the Super Bowl this year? :)

[minibronco]

What are you talking about.
I hate the NBA in general not just the Lakers.
I didn't mind watching the Jazz play when Stockton and Malone were there...now I don't like Malone, either.

Wade is a cool player though. I watched him play against the Bucks in Miami last Monday night. He's awesome.

Another neutral player. Just awesome.

[SoCalBronco]

So this guy says that he's Kobe's friend and that he owes it to Kobe to be loyal to him by shilling for him in his columns. Nice bit of journalistic integrity there "Scoop", you have all the makings of the next Ahmad "Michael Jordan is my best friend and my main man" Rashaad.

Besides, Kobe already has that parasite Jim Gray tounging his sack. Tell "Scoop" to go be someone elses lackey.

If you think Jim Gray is bad there, you should watch him in his black raider polo shirt doing Raider preseason games with Charlie Jones on CBS. Man his halftime suck Al off special last year or the year before against Arizona in the preseason was disgusting.

[Sassy]

We don't even know for sure what you're talking about??? At least I'm not sure.

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The Crystal Ball predicts: Denver go on a 15 game losing streak, Minnesota go on a 7 game losing streak, Lakers go on a 15 game win streak. Not MATHEMATICALLY out. Hear me out. MATHEMATICALLY. As for the other Laker fans, step up.

I started rooting for the Lakers when Wilt and West were still suiting up, but I began getting tired of the soap opera a few years ago. The last Laker loss that hurt me in the slightest was that of the great Chick Hearn.

I was praying that Shaq, Kobe and Phil Jackson would all leave so Jerry West could return and construct yet another dynasty in Los Angeles. Only got two out of three, though.......:pity:

[minibronco]

At least I have not the slightest clue what SoCal and Clockwork are talking about Jim Grey and stuff....

[TheNextStep]

I'm a Laker fan. What exactly do you want me to do to step up?

[-Slap-]

Awww.... yes. Pulling out a single quote. Did u stop reading there? :kiddingme

Pretty much. Scoop writes like an eighth-grader.

[minibronco]

Good Lord. Backup.

Please help me defend the Lakers from the Laker hate.

Please.

[-Slap-]

I'm a Laker fan. What exactly do you want me to do to step up?

Would it kill you to grab a couple frigging rebounds!

:coach:

[minibronco]

Would it kill you to grab a couple frigging rebounds!

:coach:


Lakers [and by this I am referring to the January/February Lakers] were the top rebounding team in the nBA. gOOD eNOUgH?

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Lakers [and by this I am referring to the January/February Lakers] were the top rebounding team in the nBA. gOOD eNOUgH?

Did you notice I was responding to TheNextStep there, Slick?

[minibronco]

Did you notice I was responding to TheNextStep there, Slick?

Oh haha. lol. Overagressive defense, I guess.

[Jason in LA]

Its about time that organization was humiliated and put in their place.

Put in their place???? History tells me their place is in the NBA Finals, not out of the playoffs. They've been to half of the NBA Finals ever held. Half!!!! The only other team that can say something like that is the Yankees. Funny, everybody hates them too.

You know why Laker fans hold their noses up to everybody? It's not that we think we are better (we know it), it's because we're looking up at our 14 championship banners.

[minibronco]

Just like I thought. The hate continues. Next thing I know, the 1000 vBucks I bet for the UNDER 141.5 on the Duke game this Friday will be rigged and I'll be back at 0.

[minibronco]

Put in their place???? History tells me their place is in the NBA Finals, not out of the playoffs. They've been to half of the NBA Finals ever held. Half!!!! The only other team that can say something like that is the Yankees. Funny, everybody hates them too.

You know why Laker fans hold their noses up to everybody? It's not that we think we are better (we know it), it's because we're looking up at our 14 championship banners.


Holy crud. Couldn't have said it better. Thanks.

[minibronco]

Pretty much. Scoop writes like an eighth-grader.

Doesn't everyone?

[Broncoblood]

I'll tell you why most of us hate the Lakers so bad, because they are spoiled a$$ Holes who always get what they want. If a big name player was out there, then somehow or another you knew he was going to the lakers, it's like the Yanks, it gets old. Hell another reason is you stuck up hollywood freaks who line courtside to show off their new set of tits. As for Koby, he is getting exactly what he wanted (((HIS TEAM))). By the way Kobe A. MILLER made you look like a fool tonight!! LOVE IT!!

[Broncoblood]

As for you RADIER HATER, nothing against ya, I side with anyone who hates Randy FAIDERS!!

[Taco John]

I live in the Portland area.

Kobe can get bent. ;D

[minibronco]

I'll tell you why most of us hate the Lakers so bad, because they are spoiled a$$ Holes who always get what they want. If a big name player was out there, then somehow or another you knew he was going to the lakers, it's like the Yanks, it gets old. Hell another reason is you stuck up hollywood freaks who line courtside to show off their new set of tits. As for Koby, he is getting exactly what he wanted (((HIS TEAM))). By the way Kobe A. MILLER made you look like a fool tonight!! LOVE IT!!

<blown away and falls off chair> I feel real special to have my team complimented by you.

[minibronco]

As for you RADIER HATER, nothing against ya, I side with anyone who hates Randy FAIDERS!!

At least we share something in common. ???

[TheNextStep]

Would it kill you to grab a couple frigging rebounds!

:coach:

I weigh a buck forty five. Yes... it quite possibly would kill me to grab a couple boards!

As for why people hate the Lakers, it is because they're so successful, especially recently. Further, they had their recent success while making it look effortless. Now that the Lakers have fallen off, everyone wants to dance on their graves.

I understand that. I f***ing hated the Jordan-era Bulls. I can't wait until the Patriots crap out. With the exception of the fans of the team, nobody wants to see the same team win over and over and over again. It gets boring.

[minibronco]

I live in the Portland area.

Kobe can get bent. ;D

Oh boy. I didn't mean to get u mad boss.

[TheNextStep]

I live in the Portland area.

Kobe can get bent. ;D
Mental note: Next time TJ makes a comment about the character of one of the Raider players, remember that he's a Jailblazer fan...

[minibronco]

Mental note: Next time TJ makes a comment about the character of one of the Raider players, remember that he's a Jailblazer fan...

HAHAH. :woowoo: lol.

[Taco John]

Mental note: Next time TJ makes a comment about the character of one of the Raider players, remember that he's a Jailblazer fan...



Actually, that's why I'm on the outs with them right now. They're a real hard team to like. But they're cleaning it up... so we'll see.

I'm headed to a game on Wednesday night! ;D

[Tredici]

Nugget fans haven't had much to cheer about for a long time. Laker fans have. You didn't cry for us. We aren't going to cry for you.

Criminy. Finally something to garner some excitement regarding basketball in Denver. We'd rather enjoy that for a change. And yes, having three starters out and watching the bench outplay the Lakers is a joy to watch.

Like Sir Charles said at the end of last season, everybody get beating the Nuggets out of their systems. It's turning around.

[Maximus]

Another Laker Fan Here 34 years and counting... Die Hard Laker Fan. And yet I'm compelled to send a Big **** YOU OUT TO KOBE BRYANT! The little selfish ********** ruined my team a team that I followed ever since West hit that 60 footer against the NY Tricks!

[minibronco]

<stuttering> okay there.

Tredici, I sincerely apologize.

Maximus, it's time you took your pills.

[TheNextStep]

Kobe didn't ruin the team. Buss picked the wrong player. Shaq should have never been dealt. How many shooting gaurds are there who can take their man off the dribble? Answer: A whole hell of a lot more than there are 7', 300+lb centers who still have several years of basketball left in them.

Point blank: We kept the wrong guy.

[minibronco]

Yep, sir. Keep both. Keep the hate coming.

[baja]

How come you can say ********** and you can't say sh*t???

[Garcia Bronco]

Good Lord. Backup.

Please help me defend the Lakers from the Laker hate.

Please.


People laughed at my when I said the Lakers might be lucky to win one game in the Finals. It's on this board some where.

[minibronco]

How come you can say ********** and you can't say sh*t???

lol beats me.

[Crushaholic]

People like to take down a "big dog". Jealousy often breeds hatred, and I know I sometimes get into that mentality. It was like that during the Showtime era of Magic Johnson and Kareem-Abdul Jabbar. If you are old enough to remember the Magic years, then you should already know the answer to this question. People like to see successful teams tumble. It's as simple as that.

[Maximus]

No pills needed. The truth is needed the lakers have always built teams around the center position. Mikan, Chamberlin, Kareem, Shaq. One can even throw in Divac if one wants to be a Homer but, I digress. In comes this little ****er with his me first attitude and the whole team goes to ****!

You can candy coat it anyway you like and defend him to the end but, the truth is we cannot win a Championship without a dominant center! Miami is going to win it all... The have the Heart of the Lakers on their team

Trade Kobe...! Get Duncan and lets start over!

Irrefutable Fact: Magic Johnson never got a ring without Kareem!

[Maximus]

Kobe didn't ruin the team. Buss picked the wrong player. Shaq should have never been dealt. How many shooting gaurds are there who can take their man off the dribble? Answer: A whole hell of a lot more than there are 7', 300+lb centers who still have several years of basketball left in them.

Point blank: We kept the wrong guy.

Yes, ultimately Buss took Kobe but, If there was harmony on the team, If Kobe would have recognized that the Diesel was the heart and soul... The team would not have gone through all of the drama. Buss was forced to break up a Dynasty before it was time!

[delany]

If the Diesel would have stepped up and played last year like he is this year then he would have still been in la-la land.

Don't blame Buss...at the time he went with the talent that was playing the best....and that was Kobe.

Success breeds contempt...whether it is basketball or politics or dodgeball....nothing new here...

[-Slap-]

Irrefutable Fact: Magic Johnson never got a ring without Kareem!

Magic was as good as anyone who ever played the game. No player ever elevated his teammates the way Magic did. If James Worthy doesn't twist his ankle on fat **** Duckworth's foot in the WCF, Magic wins his sixth trophy with Divac at center.

[minibronco]

People like to take down a "big dog". Jealousy often breeds hatred, and I know I sometimes get into that mentality. It was like that during the Showtime era of Magic Johnson and Kareem-Abdul Jabbar. If you are old enough to remember the Magic years, then you should already know the answer to this question. People like to see successful teams tumble. It's as simple as that.

Yowsers. Jealousy does often breed hatred. Case in point: Lakers.

[TheNextStep]

If the Diesel would have stepped up and played last year like he is this year then he would have still been in la-la land.

I'm just not buying that. Right now, Shaq is going 34.3 minutes per game and he's averaging 22.7 PPG, 10.5 boards, 2.8 assists, and 2.4 blocks. Last year, Shaq went 36.8 minutes per game and averaged 21.5 PPG, 11.5 boards, 2.9 assists, and 2.5 blocks.

What Shaq is doing in Miami is no different than what he did last year for us. And how much of Kobe's success is attributable to the fact that nobody in the entire league had an answer for O'Neal, other than intentionally fouling him?

Look, I'm not saying Kobe sucks because he certainly doesn't... but he'd be a hell of a lot easier to replace than Shaq because, frankly, there is nobody else even remotely like Shaq.

[minibronco]

This conversation has taken a turning point: Big Men. Just how valuable are they to each team? Will the Heat fare well without Shaq? If Shaq leaves, will the Heat experience a Lakers-like downfall? It is not all Shaq, but the Laker management, I suppose.

[-Slap-]

Kobe didn't ruin the team. Buss picked the wrong player. Shaq should have never been dealt. How many shooting gaurds are there who can take their man off the dribble? Answer: A whole hell of a lot more than there are 7', 300+lb centers who still have several years of basketball left in them.

Point blank: We kept the wrong guy.

Yeah, now Shaq's in shape. He was a 400 pound tub of guts the last couple years in LA. Kobe was 100% correct for calling Shaq out for delaying his toe surgery until just before the season started a few years ago. Shaquille was blatantly stealing money from the franchise. I was glad they didn't win another title that year because Shaq disrespected his fans, his teammates, and the very game itself.

Reminds me of Roger Clemens his last few years in Boston. Big, surly fatass with a .500, some years sub-.500, record. What happens? The Red Sox get rid of him, he rededicates himself the next year and wins back to back Cy Youngs in Toronto. Shaq is doing essentially the same thing in Miami.

Not to say I was on Kobe's side during their long pissing match. I grew to hate both of them. I've always hated Phil Jackson and was surprised to see I actually hated him more when he was coaching my team.

I miss Jerry West.

[HEAV]

I hate Kobe because he isn't original. He attempts to be a carbon copy of Jordan. There was and will only ever be one Jordan.

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Also I'm a T-Wolves fan and just looking foward to the NBA draft lottery........

[TheNextStep]

You look at Shaq's physique now and you say, "wow, he's rededicated" but the numbers just don't bear that out, Slap. Shaq is doing for Miami pretty much EXACTLY what he was doing for us - complete with allowing his shooting guard to ascend to superstar heights.

[-Slap-]

People like to take down a "big dog". Jealousy often breeds hatred, and I know I sometimes get into that mentality. It was like that during the Showtime era of Magic Johnson and Kareem-Abdul Jabbar. If you are old enough to remember the Magic years, then you should already know the answer to this question. People like to see successful teams tumble. It's as simple as that.

All I know is the Magic Johnson Showtime Lakers elevated the game to an artform. Their duels with the Bird/McHale/Parrish Celtics were truly legendary.

The League really screwed themselves when they allowed Chuck Daly and his filthy Piston thugs to drag the game into the gutter. Daly knew the refs wouldn't call fouls on every single possession and the sport suffered greatly as a result. Plus, they made Scottie Pippen cry. Well, okay, that part was funny.

[-Slap-]

You look at Shaq's physique now and you say, "wow, he's rededicated" but the numbers just don't bear that out, Slap. Shaq is doing for Miami pretty much EXACTLY what he was doing for us - complete with allowing his shooting guard to ascend to superstar heights.

So you had no problem with Shaquille putting off his toe surgery for months, until just before the start of the season, thereby screwing all chance of a fourth straight title? What did Dr Buss pay Shaq for that Jake job? $30 million?

[-Slap-]

I hate Kobe because he isn't original. He attempts to be a carbon copy of Jordan. There was and will only ever be one Jordan.

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Also I'm a T-Wolves fan and just looking foward to the NBA draft lottery........

Oh, God, the Michael Jordan impersonation he used to do in interviews made me cringe. I almost prefer the alleged rapist persona.

[minibronco]

Oh, God, the Michael Jordan impersonation he used to do in interviews made me cringe. I almost prefer the alleged rapist persona.

O, goodness. Back to the raping thing, huh?

Can we drop that subject for now on focus on other things? Denver? YOu hear me?
~Popps~

[TheNextStep]

So you had no problem with Shaquille putting off his toe surgery for months, until just before the start of the season, thereby screwing all chance of a fourth straight title? What did Dr Buss pay Shaq for that Jake job? $30 million?
Of course I was irritated by Shaq putting the surgery off. But that doesn't mean that Shaq costs us a 4th title. Did we or did we not make it to the finals that year? And in the finals that year, our entire team sucked. You can't put that on Shaq.

[sledgehammer]

They've been to half of the NBA Finals ever held. Half!!!!

How many of those were against the Celtics?

[minibronco]

How many of those were against the Celtics?

A Whole Lotta 'em

[-Slap-]

Season Champion Runner-up Games MVP
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-1 Chauncey Billups
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs New Jersey Nets 4-2 Tim Duncan
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers New Jersey Nets 4-0 Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-1 Shaquille O'Neal
1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Indiana Pacers 4-2 Shaquille O'Neal
1998-99 San Antonio Spurs New York Knicks 4-1 Tim Duncan
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2 Michael Jordan
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2 Michael Jordan
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Seattle SuperSonics 4-2 Michael Jordan
1994-95 Houston Rockets Orlando Magic 4-0 Hakeem Olajuwon
1993-94 Houston Rockets New York Knicks 4-3 Hakeem Olajuwon
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Phoenix Suns 4-2 Michael Jordan
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Portland Trail Blazers 4-2 Michael Jordan
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Los Angeles Lakers 4-1 Michael Jordan
1989-90 Detroit Pistons Portland Trail Blazers 4-1 Isiah Thomas
1988-89 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-0 Joe Dumars
1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers Detroit Pistons 4-3 James Worthy
1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2 Magic Johnson
1985-86 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets 4-2 Larry Bird
1984-85 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1983-84 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3 Larry Bird
1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers Los Angeles Lakers 4-0 Moses Malone
1981-82 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 Magic Johnson
1980-81 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets 4-2 Cedric Maxwell
1979-80 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 Magic Johnson
1978-79 Seattle SuperSonics Washington Bullets 4-1 Dennis Johnson
1977-78 Washington Bullets Seattle SuperSonics 4-3 Wes Unseld
1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers Philadelphia 76ers 4-2 Bill Walton
1975-76 Boston Celtics Phoenix Suns 4-2 Jo Jo White
1974-75 Golden State Warriors Washington Bullets 4-0 Rick Barry
1973-74 Boston Celtics Milwaukee Bucks 4-3 John Havlicek
1972-73 New York Knicks Los Angeles Lakers 4-1 Willis Reed
1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers New York Knicks 4-1 Wilt Chamberlain
1970-71 Milwaukee Bucks Baltimore Bullets 4-0 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1969-70 New York Knicks Los Angeles Lakers 4-3 Willis Reed
1968-69 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3 Jerry West
1967-68 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers San Francisco Warriors 4-2
1965-66 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1964-65 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-1
1963-64 Boston Celtics San Francisco Warriors 4-1
1962-63 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-2
1961-62 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3
1960-61 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-1
1959-60 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-3
1958-59 Boston Celtics Minneapolis Lakers 4-0
1957-58 St. Louis Hawks Boston Celtics 4-2
1956-57 Boston Celtics St. Louis Hawks 4-3
1955-56 Philadelphia Warriors Fort Wayne Pistons 4-1
1954-55 Syracuse Nationals Fort Wayne Pistons 4-3
1953-54 Minneapolis Lakers Syracuse Nationals 4-3
1952-53 Minneapolis Lakers New York Knicks 4-1
1951-52 Minneapolis Lakers New York Knicks 4-3
1950-51 Rochester Royals New York Knicks 4-3
1949-50 Minneapolis Lakers Syracuse Nationals 4-2
1948-49 Minneapolis Lakers Washington Capitols 4-2
1947-48 Baltimore Bullets Philadelphia Warriors 4-2
1946-47 Philadelphia Warriors Chicago Stags 4-1

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26 LAKERS FINALS / 56 TOTAL. Whew.

10 w/ Boston.

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Dang. I counted?

Jealousy = Hatred
Hatred = Lakers

[Tredici]

O, goodness. Back to the raping thing, huh?

Can we drop that subject for now on focus on other things? Denver? YOu hear me?
~Popps~

Okay, let's put it in the correct version. Kobe needs to keep his stuff for his wife and out of the backsides of hotel's 19 year old hired help.

Like that better?

[Bronco Yoda]

Been a laker fan since the 70's. Became a bandwagon fan growing up in Colorado watching Wilt. Never could get into the Nuggets... but I wish them well.

That said..... I don't much care for 'KB' team'. I want my Lakers back. I miss show-time and the whole team concept. Nothing but respect for KB's top shelf talent but we should have kept shaq.

If only KB could have played nice with the big guy and respected his elders, the Lakers would have dominated for years.

The Lakers have been gutted like no other team. All a Laker fan can do is hold his/her nose and soldier on.

Better days will come and the Lakers will rise again. That's why the hate will never die down.

[Tredici]

Dang. I counted?

Jealousy = Hatred
Hatred = Lakers

No sense making it a complicated equation.

Jealousy = Jealousy
Hatred = Hatred
Lakers = Not My Team = Don't Care

There now. Much simpler.

[orange 4 life]

okay, late to the party, but is this for real?

why the hate on kobe?

oh gee, i dont know.
how about this.

he came out of high school (shouldnt have) and acted as if he was basketballs crowned prince, even brushing off the greatest power forward of all time when said forward tried to set a pick for him in an allstar game.

he helped his team win three championships, all the while having MULTIPLE bitch sessions because he didnt get the ball enough, because people (correctly i might add) praised shaq and not him as the teams #1 player and leader.

he took that bitching to the next level, and was pretty much solely responsible for the breakup of what COULDVE been one of the best teams in nba history (as a nugget fan i LOVE this, but if i were a LAKER fan id hate him for it)

he's MUCH happier being "the man" and "dropping" 40 on the raptors than he is being a PART of a winning TEAM.

he actually has the nerve to call his teammates "his" players.

is he a rapist?

hmm, i dont think so to be honest, and that doesnt make him innocent.
he still cheated on his beautiful young bride.
excuse?
there isnt one. it was crap. apparently commandment #7 isnt real high on the kobe priority list.

why hate him?
really?

geez, there's too many reasons to list.

he's an obnoxious, self righteous, arrogant punk. that about covers it.
yes, he's an amazing basketball talent...

....at the expense of his teams success.

praise him for it if you like.
if youre a LAKER fan, you SHOULD despise him for it.

jake

[orange 4 life]

Magic was as good as anyone who ever played the game. No player ever elevated his teammates the way Magic did. If James Worthy doesn't twist his ankle on fat **** Duckworth's foot in the WCF, Magic wins his sixth trophy with Divac at center.

lets not forget that magic PLAYED center when kareem was hurt...

....and played quite well.

magic johnson is the best player in the history of the game, and i HATE the lakers.
i just see greatness regardless of the color it wears.
magic made players around him better. magic made EVERY player around him better.

jake

[football idiot]

can't we all just get along and agree to hate scoop jackson *


(*=seriously considering this for my new tagline)

[Northman]

I understand that. I f***ing hated the Jordan-era Bulls. I can't wait until the Patriots crap out. With the exception of the fans of the team, nobody wants to see the same team win over and over and over again. It gets boring.


and that really is the jist of it.

[missingnumber7]

Why do I hate Kobe...lets see...SELFISH...he wants to be the face of the NBA all by himself. A truely talented player realizes he is only as good as the players around him. That is why he and Shaq butted heads because Shaq just wanted a little recognition for being a large part of the reason for Kobe's success and Kobe just said "blah blah blah...GO KOBE....I am god" Jordan tried for years to do it himself...realized that it took teammates and won strait titles...twice.

[minibronco]

Okay, let's put it in the correct version. Kobe needs to keep his stuff for his wife and out of the backsides of hotel's 19 year old hired help.

Like that better?

better :)

[minibronco]

Been a laker fan since the 70's. Became a bandwagon fan growing up in Colorado watching Wilt. Never could get into the Nuggets... but I wish them well.

That said..... I don't much care for 'KB' team'. I want my Lakers back. I miss show-time and the whole team concept. Nothing but respect for KB's top shelf talent but we should have kept shaq.

If only KB could have played nice with the big guy and respected his elders, the Lakers would have dominated for years.

The Lakers have been gutted like no other team. All a Laker fan can do is hold his/her nose and soldier on.

Better days will come and the Lakers will rise again. That's why the hate will never die down.

Yuppers

[minibronco]

okay, late to the party, but is this for real?

why the hate on kobe?

oh gee, i dont know.
how about this.

he came out of high school (shouldnt have) and acted as if he was basketballs crowned prince, even brushing off the greatest power forward of all time when said forward tried to set a pick for him in an allstar game.

he helped his team win three championships, all the while having MULTIPLE bitch sessions because he didnt get the ball enough, because people (correctly i might add) praised shaq and not him as the teams #1 player and leader.

he took that bitching to the next level, and was pretty much solely responsible for the breakup of what COULDVE been one of the best teams in nba history (as a nugget fan i LOVE this, but if i were a LAKER fan id hate him for it)

he's MUCH happier being "the man" and "dropping" 40 on the raptors than he is being a PART of a winning TEAM.

he actually has the nerve to call his teammates "his" players.

is he a rapist?

hmm, i dont think so to be honest, and that doesnt make him innocent.
he still cheated on his beautiful young bride.
excuse?
there isnt one. it was crap. apparently commandment #7 isnt real high on the kobe priority list.

why hate him?
really?

geez, there's too many reasons to list.

he's an obnoxious, self righteous, arrogant punk. that about covers it.
yes, he's an amazing basketball talent...

....at the expense of his teams success.

praise him for it if you like.
if youre a LAKER fan, you SHOULD despise him for it.

jake

On this one, i'm left speechless.

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can't we all just get along and agree to hate scoop jackson *


(*=seriously considering this for my new tagline)

Lol, way to go, idiot. :kiddingme

[Rock Chalk]

I'm a Laker fan. What exactly do you want me to do to step up?
Step up to get neg Laker Fan Rep Ha!

[SoCalBronco]

Beat L.A.

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Step up to get neg Laker Fan Rep Ha!

Haha.... just what I thought.

[orange 4 life]

On this one, i'm left speechless.

of course you are.
the truth hurts.

[Atlas]

Disclaimer: Because I am well aware that www.orangemane.com is mainly situated in the Denver, Colorado area, I am also well aware I will receive extreme hatred in this forum. I am willing to give up some rep points to put out this message in this forum to all Kobe haters.

The definition of a fan is simple. A fan follows a team through ups and downs, even if 80% of the team is lost in the offseason and replaced with sweaty-palmed, rim-loving old men who just can't play. Even if they lose. Even if they don't win a championship. Denver fans know. You've followed the Broncos and the Nuggets through ups and downs. Please speak up.

As a Laker fan, I experience the same. The boo-ing. The "BEAT L.A. chants." The "rapist" chants. Heck, in a magazine, the Lakers were voted "FAVORITE TEAM TO ROOT AGAINST." Makes me feel real special, don't it?

The following article totally represents my pain and my feelings through this hate. Please read and holla.

GAMEPOINT- by scoop jackson


He’s become the Kay Slay of the NBA: The Drama King. His life has now become the black male reality version of Desperate Housewives. His stock has dropped like Tyco. And that street cred everyone thought he was trying to earn? Negro, please.

His name was Kobe Bryant. He used to be your hero. He was better than the next best thing to god 23 – he was next, period. He shifted the landscape. He had everything MJ had and was on the verge of remixing it. The blueprint was in place: three rings in five years; the plan was in effect: McDonald’s, Nike, America; the setup was set up: Grant Hill without the injuries.

Then…

It seemed like from either the day Jerry West left the Lakers or the day Kobe got married, his life has not been the same. Neither has he. From one incident to the next allegation to the next occurrence to another circumstance, Kobe’s life, off the court- has been one suicidal tendency after the next. A fall from grace. Some have said Kobe brough all this on himself, and that his “b*t*h ass” deserves everything that is happening to him- and these are peoploe who think he’s innocent of sexual assault. The resentment is reaching Barry Bonds/Terrell Owens combined numbers. Time went the farthest, calling him “the poster boy for athlete’s arrogance.”

Is this where we’re at with Kobe Bryant now? Has his “self-imposed self-destruction” taken you to a place where, if Jerry West doesn’t come back to save L.A., Kob’ll be the Benzino of the basketball world? Did you not watch him drop 48 on the Raptors because the media blamed him for destroying a fallen dynasty that wasn’t winning chips? Will you not buy Nike Hauraches because he’s in them? Did you go to church on ‘em and scream hallelujah on Christmas Day when his 43rd, 44th, and 45th points missed at the buzzer? When Shaq won? When Phil proves right? When the Lakers hit rock bottom? When Dr. Buss sells the franchise? When Kobe retires 10 years before his skills erode and Ricky Williamses himslef from society?

Is this what you want? Is this what will make you happy?

Or should the real question be asked: What did Kobe actually do wrong? To any of you? Personally? To make you feel the way you do about him? To hate him the way you do now?

The job of a journalist is to be objective, the job of a friend is to be loyal. The job of a man is to make that choice.

If Kobe Bryant wants to live with high drama defining his life, if he wants to put himself into, or make public, situations that will have a negative effect on how he’s perceived and lose both money and trust; if he wants to trick-off on Shaq and Malone; if he wants to turn the world that was once his oyster into an island that is no his clam; so be it. So what. It’s his one life to live, his Stringer Bell to keep him alive. The name of his birth certificate reads Kobe Bean Byrant. The name of his tombstone will read the same. In between, as long as he continues dropping almost 30-per, human highlighting arenas and plasma screens, and has the squad that was supposed to be at the top of the Lottery still outballin’ the Clippers, who am I – or you – to pray and prey for his downfall? Objectively, ask yourself that question.

At the 2004 All-Star Game, my kids saw Kobe. They ran to him. He grabbed them and gave them the biggest hug they’d gotten from any ballplayer at media availability. Then he went on to treat my shorties as if they were his. No one else did that. And y’all want me to despise him? Sell him out? Spit on his grave? America, please.

My name was Scoop Jackson, I was an objective journalist. I am a friend of Kobe Bryant. If you read this expecting me to hate on Kobe for becoming what he’s become in your eyes, you’ve just read the wrong “b*t*h ass” column.

You want to know why everyone hates Kobe??
Because he is an arrogant little prick

He ran off the best center and the best coach in the game so he could have the spotlight all to himself.

At best He cheated on his wife and then buys her a $4 million ring and makes everything all right. At worst he is a rapist.

and he has the funniest receding hairline I have ever seen!!

[Sassy]

of course you are.
the truth hurts.
Hey Jake...had to give you rep for that post! Awesome.

[Cleo McDowell]

like everybody has been saying..selfish and arrogant. about the rape, i could care less since he was acquitted, but the thing that made me start sayin F*ck kobe is the fact that in the midst of his rape accusations he was quick to call out names n put others on blast with his "Shaq pays off his women in these situations.." etc etc... spineless punk should know thats the kinda stuff that leaves you face down in an alley with a hole in your head..

[orange 4 life]

Hey Jake...had to give you rep for that post! Awesome.

love ya sista!!

back atcha

[Bronx33]

NBA? Don't watch it.

Ditto..

[Broncobuddy7]

I don't know what kind of a person Kobe is off the court, but I fully support him on the court. He is an amazing player whose skills are matched only by a rare few.

For those of you who are happy the Lakers aren't going to make the playoffs....you should do your homework. If the Lakers fail to make the playoffs they'll be assured a lottery pick which they get to keep. If they do make the playoffs then they'll lose their first round draft pick to Boston for the Payton/Mihm trade and probably get knocked out in the first round anyway.

[Nuggets4]

You know why Laker fans hold their noses up to everybody? It's not that we think we are better (we know it), it's because we're looking up at our 14 championship banners.

Sparky, the Celtics and their 16 are laughing at you while you show off your feathers.

F**k the Lakers, F**k Kobe, F**k the "fans" (real fans like Slap are obviously excluded here). You wonder why everyone hates your crappy franchise? Arrogant ass rants/comments like the ones from Jason and you (the thread starter). Think about it Sparky. No one bloody cares. Besides, when your damn arena isd only half full at the start of a game, it's pretty obvious that your own damn fans don't care either.

can't we all just get along and agree to hate scoop jackson *


(*=seriously considering this for my new tagline)

Quoted for Truth. Slam magazine might be ok if they decided to, you know, use CORRECT GRAMMAR!

[Broncobuddy7]

I thought Carmelo Anthony deserved ROY last year. It seemed a little political to me.