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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-23-2005, 12:33 PM
Dubious doctor touted as Nobel Prize nominee by Hannity, Scarborough

http://mediamatters.org/static/video/william-hammesfahr.jpg

Fox News host Sean Hannity and MSNBC host Joe Scarborough both promoted Dr. William Hammesfahr's false claim that he is a Nobel Prize nominee.

Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist disciplined in 2003 by the Florida Board of Medicine who claims he can help Terri Schiavo, testified during an October 2002 court hearing on the Schiavo case that his claim to be a Nobel nominee is based on a letter written by Rep. Mike Bilirakis (R-FL) recommending him for the prize. But Bilirakis is not qualified to make a valid nomination under the Nobel rules.

According to the process posted on the Nobel Prize website, the Nobel Assembly sends out invitations to approximately 3,000 people who are allowed to propose candidates. The 3,000 are "mainly members of the Nobel Assembly, previous prize winners, and a selection of professors at universities around the world." In providing detailed information about those who can submit nominations, the site states:

Right to submit proposals for the award of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, based on the principle of competence and universality, shall by statute be enjoyed by:

1. Members of the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm;
2. Swedish and foreign members of the medical class of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences;
3. Nobel Laureates in Physiology or Medicine;
4. Members of the Nobel Committee not qualified under paragraph 1 above;
5. Holders of established posts as professors at the faculties of medicine in Sweden and holders of similar posts at the faculties of medicine or similar institutions in Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway;
6. Holders of similar posts at no fewer than six other faculties of medicine selected by the Assembly, with a view to ensuring the appropriate distribution of the task among various countries and their seats of learning; and
7. Practitioners of natural sciences whom the Assembly may otherwise see fit to approach.

Decisions concerning the selection of the persons appointed under paragraphs 6 and 7 above are taken before the end of May each year on the recommendation of the Nobel Committee.

But the fact that Bilirakis is not qualified to nominate Nobel Prize winners did not stop Scarborough or Hannity from referring to Hammesfahr as a Nobel Prize nominee. Hannity did so a total of eight times during a single hour-long program; Scarborough made the reference four times. Additionally, Scarborough erroneously claimed that Hammesfahr has "treated" Schiavo; in fact, Hammesfahr has merely examined her as one of five doctors approved by a Florida court in 2001 to do so. He was one of two doctors selected by Schiavo's parents; two others were selected by Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, and the fifth was chosen by the court.

From the March 21 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: And we're going to talk to a doctor who spent 10 hours with her tonight, and he says that he believes, in his expert opinion -- this is a man that was nominated for a Nobel Prize, by the way -- that she could be rehabilitated.

[...]

HANNITY: And coming up later in the program tonight, we're going to meet a doctor who actually spent 10 hours examining Terri Schiavo. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize. He believes that she could be rehabilitated.

[...]

HANNITY: You were nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine?

HAMMESFAHR: Yes.

[...]

HANNITY: You were nominated to get a Nobel Peace Prize in this work. Are you saying that this woman could be rehabilitated?

[...]

HANNITY: How is it possible we're in this position if you have examined her? You were up for a Nobel Prize. This is mind boggling to me.

[...]

HANNITY: Well, this is what I want to understand. This is your area of expertise that got you nominated for one of the most prestigious awards in medicine, the Nobel Prize.

[...]

HANNITY: -- hang on a second -- and talk to a Nobel prize-nominated physician who spent 10 hours with her, who believes if, given the opportunity, he can rehabilitate her?

[...]

HANNITY: Imagine being in his position and having a guy like a Nobel Prize nominee like Dr. Hammesfahr, who I'm looking at right now, who spent 10 hours with her and feels that, given the chance, he could rehabilitate this girl.

From the March 21 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country:

SCARBOROUGH: And a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who has treated Terri Schiavo, he says Terri should live and that her husband is perpetrating a hoax that is just aimed at killing his wife.

[...]

SCARBOROUGH: And I'm going to be talking with a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who has treated Terri Schiavo and he says her husband is pulling a huge hoax simply to kill his wife.

[...]

SCARBOROUGH: Coming up: a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who is treating Terri Schiavo says her husband is pulling a hoax.

[...]

SCARBOROUGH: So, what is Terri Schiavo's true medical condition? Here to help us sort it out is Dr. William Hammesfahr. He's a neurologist who was nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in medicine. And he's one of the doctors who has treated Terri Schiavo.

Full sourcing here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220009

MistrSynistr
03-23-2005, 12:40 PM
Now, usually I get a kick out of your posts LABF, because they're informed, insightful, witty and very damaging to the Republikhan way of "thought"(if you can call it that)...But posting a slam on Sean Hannity spining truth and logic is like trying to convince Bill Gates he's rich.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-23-2005, 12:45 PM
...But posting a slam on Sean Hannity spining truth and logic is like trying to convince Bill Gates he's rich.

:giggle:

Yeah, you're right - guilty of tautology as charged. ;)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-23-2005, 01:09 PM
More recent right-wing media Schiavo lies:

CNN, Fox featured ex-Schiavo nurse whose affidavit was dismissed as "incredible" by judge

http://mediamatters.org/items/leftsideitem/200503230001

Ignoring constitutional scholars, CNN's John King claimed no one questions Congress' authority to intervene in Schiavo case

http://mediamatters.org/items/leftsideitem/200503230004

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-23-2005, 02:30 PM
Did Schiavo Case Politically Backfire on Busheviks Because Americans REALLY DO Want the Federal Government Out of Their Personal Decisions? Could be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/opinion/23Kohut.html?

Spider
03-23-2005, 03:12 PM
I read that ..........Funny how all these Judges and Doctors agree , I guess they are all Heartless brutes ......

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-23-2005, 03:26 PM
I read that ..........Funny how all these Judges and Doctors agree , I guess they are all Heartless brutes ......

Yep - this whole dog and pony show is blowing up in DeLay and Co's faces.

You know you've got a problem when more than half of repugs polled disagree with your intervention. ;D

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 08:24 AM
Yep - this whole dog and pony show is blowing up in DeLay and Co's faces.

You know you've got a problem when more than half of repugs polled disagree with your intervention. ;D
Meanwhile Sen. Dems cower in their corner.

Bronco_Beerslug
03-24-2005, 08:59 AM
Meanwhile Sen. Dems cower in their corner.
Possibly, or just sit back and watch republicans continue to lose credibility on issues such as SS, the deficits, the economy and their failed attempt at overturning the American judicial system with the most ethically challenged member of congress leading them forward.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 03:09 PM
Possibly, or just sit back and watch republicans continue to lose credibility on issues such as SS, the deficits, the economy and their failed attempt at overturning the American judicial system with the most ethically challenged member of congress leading them forward.

:thumbsup:

Post of the week.

Maybe repetition is the key to comprehension for RaiderH8r. :laugh:

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 03:28 PM
Possibly, or just sit back and watch republicans continue to lose credibility on issues such as SS, the deficits, the economy and their failed attempt at overturning the American judicial system with the most ethically challenged member of congress leading them forward.
Well that is certainly a possibility. A non engagement strategy. I can see how they might want to do something like this after taking a beating at every turn. The problem is that by not getting involved they have left the door wide open for a whole slew of speculative causes. Why would the Sen. Dems who love to pick a fight for Social Security, Judicial Nominees, Abortion, etc not stand up and speak their mind, from a populist position, on an issue of such bearing?

If this is so dear to your heart and an attempt to subvert the judicial system, why not fight? The judicial system is fine by the way.

They didn't even come out of the locker room.....gotta wonder what they are thinking.

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 03:29 PM
:thumbsup:

Post of the week.

Maybe repetition is the key to comprehension for RaiderH8r. :laugh:
Just not buying off on the deflection. Probably not going to get an answer, but I'll keep asking it.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 03:34 PM
Probably not going to get an answer, but I'll keep asking it.

Anything to keep the heat off of Teflon Tom and the GOP's bunglings, eh?

Oh well, I guess no one can say you're not a team player. :laugh:

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 03:42 PM
Anything to keep the heat off of Teflon Tom and the GOP's bunglings, eh?

Oh well, I guess no one can say you're not a team player. :laugh:
You're so politically astute, why did the Sen. Dems stay in the locker room while the House Dems showed up for the fight?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 03:51 PM
why did the Sen. Dems stay in the locker room while the House Dems showed up for the fight?

Blueflame beat me to the punch:

One has to choose battles wisely and pulling out all the stops to block legislation that is essentially nothing more than partisan window-dressing isn't the place, imo. Better to allow the GOP their sideshow and trust the American public to see through the bs (which polls would suggest they have).

Have fun cleaning up the fallout. :)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 03:55 PM
BTW, polls indicate that a majority of repubs and evangelicals disagree with the GOP's Schiavo initiative.

Isn't this further evidence that RaiderH8r is a right-wing extremist?

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 04:02 PM
Blueflame beat me to the punch:



Have fun cleaning up the fallout. :)
Well I certainly wouldn't want to argue with the wisdom and logic that has led your party to such sweeping, national victories over the past decade now would I? Uhh

RaiderH8r
03-24-2005, 04:04 PM
BTW, polls indicate that a majority of repubs and evangelicals disagree with the GOP's Schiavo initiative.

Isn't this further evidence that RaiderH8r is a right-wing extremist?
One thing is abundantly clear, you haven't bothered to read my posts on the issue. But that's OK, I haven't put them on bartcop for dissemination. Take a look back and get a better understanding. I used some big words so I'll understand if you need to take your time and look them up in a dictionary.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 04:28 PM
Well I certainly wouldn't want to argue with the wisdom and logic that has led your party to such sweeping, national victories over the past decade now would I? Uhh

Any more than you would argue with the facts that suggest your party didn't actually win its recent "sweeping" victories fair and square, I'm sure.

One thing is abundantly clear, you haven't bothered to read my posts on the issue.

What's "abundantly clear" is that, for every post on the GOP's Schiavo initiative, you post a dozen times to deflect blame to the Dems.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 04:34 PM
This whole Schiavo saga proves one thing:

The repugs are delusional and completely out of touch with mainstream America.

An initiative/judicial coup attempt they thought would help them in the midterms has blown up in their faces, and the fallout continues...

Pass the popcorn. :laugh:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 04:45 PM
Political Fallout Over Nutty Schiavo Law

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/politics/main682619.shtml

Congressional leaders have insisted their only motivation in getting involved in the Terri Schiavo case was saving a life. But Americans aren’t buying that argument, a CBS News poll finds.

An overwhelming 82 percent of the public believes the Congress and President should stay out of the matter.

Just 13 percent of those polled think Congress intervened in the case out of concern for Schiavo, while 74 percent think it was all about politics. Of those polled, 66 percent said the tube should not be inserted compared to 27 percent who want it restored. The issue has generated strong feelings, with 78 percent of those polled -- wheter for either side of the issue -- saying they have strong feelings.

Public approval of Congress has suffered as a result; at 34 percent, it is the lowest it has been since 1997, dropping from 41 percent last month. Now at 43 percent, President Bush’s approval rating is also lower than it was a month ago.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 04:54 PM
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