Bowlen says the team will be better in '05 then '04

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2775450,00.html

Bowlen sees better team

By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

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Bowlen: "I think we'll be better to significantly better than last year."

Kapalua, Hawaii - As his team attempts to cap free agency with key additions to a realigned defensive front, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen is pleased with what he has seen this offseason.

Bowlen believes his team will be improved from its 10-6 season of 2004, which ended with a wild-card playoff loss at Indianapolis.

"I am very happy in the direction that we're going in," Bowlen said Monday. "I think we'll be better to significantly better than last year depending on how we finish free agency and how we draft. But we're on our way."

At the center of their current improvement attempt is Cleveland free-agent defensive end Courtney Brown. Brown will visit Seattle today after going to Jacksonville on Sunday night.

Washington also is pursuing Brown. The Broncos and Redskins have been his most ardent pursuers and likely would give him a better contract and playing opportunity than the Jaguars or the Seahawks.

Brown, who would start in Denver, could make his decision by midweek. Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio said Monday his team was intrigued by Brown's visit but isn't in a hurry.

"We'll have to decide where we're at and see where (Brown) is at," Del Rio said. "There's a lot to be done."

After Brown makes his decision, the Broncos likely will move on the other defensive linemen on their agenda: Baltimore end Marques Douglas, Atlanta tackle Ed Jasper and Cincinnati tackle Tony Williams, who is visiting Jacksonville today. Douglas concludes a visit with Denver today.

With $3.3 million in salary cap room, Denver could add two of the four linemen. Denver has been active in the offseason, signing linebacker Ian Gold, trading for defensive tackle Gerard Warren and re-signing guard Ben Hamilton. Denver general manager Ted Sundquist said veteran defensive lineman Luther Elliss and Marco Coleman are close to re- signing.

Coupled with the moves, Bowlen said, is the maturation of last year's team behind leaders Champ Bailey and John Lynch.

"Another reason why we're going to be so much better is that those guys are here for a second year," Bowlen said. "We have great leadership in addition to our talent. It's going to help us improve steadily."

Draft picks added

Denver reloaded the middle rounds of the April 23-24 draft by getting two third-round compensatory picks. It got the No. 97 and 101 overall picks for the 2004 free-agency losses of Bertrand Berry, Gold and Keith Burns. Denver doesn't have its own third-, fourth- and fifth- round picks because of a penalty based on a salary cap violation (third), and trades for Warren (fourth) and Ellis Johnson (fifth).

Focus on Foster block

The NFL's competition committee will present a rule to the owners to make plays illegal similar to the one in which Denver offensive tackle George Foster blocked Williams last season. Williams missed the rest of the season because of a broken leg on the play. Foster wasn't penalized or fined.

Under the new rule, the play would be unnecessary roughness and a 15-yard penalty. The rule is expected to pass. However, committee member Rich McKay of Atlanta made it clear Denver's cut blocking technique still is legal.

Footnote

The Broncos are not involved in any of the four games on the opening weekend of the regular season that were announced. The complete NFL schedule is expected to be released in the next couple of weeks. Meanwhile, the NFL likely will play its full slate of games on Saturday, Dec. 24, instead of Sunday, Dec. 25. There may be a game on Christmas Day.

[alanm]

Well duh... What else is he going to say? That the Bronco's are going to blow chunks? Although candor like that would be refreshing to hear. :)

[Clockwork Orange]

"I am very happy in the direction that we're going in," Bowlen said Monday. "I think we'll be better to significantly better than last year depending on how we finish free agency and how we draft. But we're on our way."

That part in bold is the key. That'd better be a sign of some good things yet to come this offseason, otherwise Bowlen is just talking out of his ass.

[alanm]

That part in bold is the key. That'd better be a sign of some good things yet to come this offseason, otherwise Bowlen is just talking out of his ass.
Not very many 2nd tier much less 1st tier talent left over to choose from at the moment. Though there seems to be quite a bit of offensive guys still floating around still. Defense is at a premium this offseason. Nothing to pick at but bones on that side of the ball that's available still.

[Clockwork Orange]

Not very many 2nd tier much less 1st tier talent left over to choose from at the moment. Though there seems to be quite a bit of offensive guys still floating around still. Defense is at a premium this offseason. Nothing to pick at but bones on that side of the ball that's available still.

Unfortunately for the Broncos this was a pretty lean year as far as free agent defensive linemen, the biggest area of need. Corey Simon, Darren Howard & John Abraham all got franchised and the highest regarded D-lineman to hit the open market was our own Reggie Hayward (who they decided not to pay yet had the money to bring Ian Gold back, if you can figure that one out let us know).

I thought the Gerard Warren trade was worth the risk for a 4th round pick and it's a lot easier to take now that the Broncos have been awarded a pair of 3rd round comp picks.

Now that they've got those two extra picks, I'm wondering if they might be considering dumping Trevor Pryce for a conditional bag of magic beans and then trading their 2nd rounder for Darren Howard (the Saints asking price was reportedly a round 2 pick). They'll have to move Pryce before making a move like that in order to clear the cap space to give Howard a new contract.

But then they may just dump Pryce in order to clear cap space for some guys who might be casualties on after June 1st.

Who knows? It's been impossible to get a read on what the Broncos front office has been thinking this offseason. The Ian Gold move has everyone thrown for a loop.

[Atlas]

If you look at Denver last year and look at what their weeknesses are. I can agree with Bowlen and you know what? It has nothing to do with the players they are getting or losing. It all comes down to execution.
For Denver to be better.
1) Jake has to take care of the ball better
2) Denver needs to execute 3rd downs better
3) Denver needs to have better red zone scoring

These three things are basically all up to Jake. If he plays at his 2003 level than Denver could be very much improved.

Denver also needs more pressure on the QB and more ints. These are two things that might be helped in the draft or by FA. People say that replacing Herndan will be hard.. I disagree. How many INTs did he have last year???1...2??I think Middlebrooks will be able to fill that void.

Whatever Denver does this year in the draft or FA won't be as important to Denver's hopes as the play of Jake Plummer.

Just like last year Denver's playoff hopes will rest on the right arm of Jake Plummer.

[fontaine]

Draft picks added

Denver reloaded the middle rounds of the April 23-24 draft by getting two third-round compensatory picks. It got the No. 97 and 101 overall picks for the 2004 free-agency losses of Bertrand Berry, Gold and Keith Burns. Denver doesn't have its own third-, fourth- and fifth- round picks because of a penalty based on a salary cap violation (third), and trades for Warren (fourth) and Ellis Johnson (fifth).

Oh yeah, keep on rollin' baby!

Can we friggin' keep Pryce now!

Even if we get nothing outta the draft, a DL of Pryce/Warren/(Pope,fatafehi)/(Brown or Douglas) would be better than last year!

[Ballhawk]

I like the idea of getting Howard with our 2nd pick, but I thought his contract demands were just obsurd.

[eddie mac]

If you look at Denver last year and look at what their weeknesses are. I can agree with Bowlen and you know what? It has nothing to do with the players they are getting or losing. It all comes down to execution.
For Denver to be better.
1) Jake has to take care of the ball better
2) Denver needs to execute 3rd downs better
3) Denver needs to have better red zone scoring

These three things are basically all up to Jake. If he plays at his 2003 level than Denver could be very much improved.

Denver also needs more pressure on the QB and more ints. These are two things that might be helped in the draft or by FA. People say that replacing Herndan will be hard.. I disagree. How many INTs did he have last year???1...2??I think Middlebrooks will be able to fill that void.

Whatever Denver does this year in the draft or FA won't be as important to Denver's hopes as the play of Jake Plummer.

Just like last year Denver's playoff hopes will rest on the right arm of Jake Plummer.

Personally I reckon No3 will improve once Brewster gets to grips with Putz and makes Kubiak change his redzone plays a little.

[eddie mac]

I like the idea of getting Howard with our 2nd pick, but I thought his contract demands were just obsurd.

He was looking a signing bonus somewhere in the region of $16 million that's what put everyone else off.

[Odysseus]

If we end up keeping Pryce it will be because he was man enough to sit down and talk with management and get things cleared up. They both need to save face on this deal. Pryce wants to get paid and he doesn't care by who. He thinks it's just business but he's making a young man's mistake. He'll think about that in the end.

Pryce should take the paycut in exchange for more talent on the DL. If he's not working towards this deal I say there isn't enough of Pryce to worry about him one way or another. Players who play for checks don't have any heart. They aren't playing with passion but for filthy lucre. The only way money motivates you is if you can't have it. Broncos are trying to motivate this man. If he doesn't step up I think the Broncos take the best NFC deal and walk.

[Mile High Shack]

Wash, rinse, repeat

Same story as last year, except change 03 for 04 and 04 for 05

[-Slap-]

The only way we're improved next season is if Tatum Bell suddenly becomes an upper echelon franchise back.

[LifersRaiders]

Not sure what Toilet Bowlen is looking at. I'm looking at a Donko team with a modern day Jeff George, Bone-a-fide LOSER at QB in Jake Plummet.

A miget o-line that can't pass block.

A receiver corp that look suspiciously like the 2003 Raiders meaning one old man who can't run by anyone any longer and a pretty good younger guy.

ZERO pass rush made even worse by the loss of their best pass rusher to free agency.

An absolute crap secondary led by HIGHLY OVERRATED Chump Bailey.

Unless Denver plays Arizone every week, they're not getting better.

[ChampBailey24]

and he will

[clint7]

Improve field position (special teams)
Improve 3rd % (ball control, no TOs, etc)
Improve Red Zone

That would improve the team AS LONG AS the team doesn't slip in other areas of the game, which I think is a concern of many on this board.

[Spider]

Not sure what Toilet Bowlen is looking at. I'm looking at a Donko team with a modern day Jeff George, Bone-a-fide LOSER at QB in Jake Plummet.
as opposed to Kerry collins Hilarious! ...... freaking priceless

A miget o-line that can't pass block.
LOL . another example of a person that would be much better off spanking his monkey , then stating his opinion ..... Lepsis and co. did fine ... i think Jake was sacked 15 times .......

A receiver corp that look suspiciously like the 2003 Raiders meaning one old man who can't run by anyone any longer and a pretty good younger guy.
and there is some here that say we shouldnt pull feeding tubes ..... let stupid people live they say ...... Rod can motor , so far all you have offered is hot air and no facts ......

ZERO pass rush made even worse by the loss of their best pass rusher to free agency.
Lets see who we draft and bring in ......

An absolute crap secondary led by HIGHLY OVERRATED Chump Bailey.
you just said we had no pass rush , so how can our secondary be over rated ? you one of those People that need supervision before getting on the puter there holmes ?

Unless Denver plays Arizone every week, they're not getting better.
LOL Azi , we have the Raiders to kick around ........ next time you decide to bring it there Doris , come stronger , bring facts ........

[Rascal]

The broncos have been active this offseason? Yeah actively losing players.

This guy is a freaking idiot.

[NFLBRONCO]

Show up in big games.
Can we beat good teams more consistantly Pat????????????????


Pat has his denial glasses on again. This team has so much to prove IMO.

[Atlas]

Personally I reckon No3 will improve once Brewster gets to grips with Putz and makes Kubiak change his redzone plays a little.

I agree. You need good TE production when your inside the 20. That is something Denver didn't have.

[RhymesayersDU]

We really need Bowlen to get bust the fur coat out again.

[Jason in LA]

Not sure what Toilet Bowlen is looking at. I'm looking at a Donko team with a modern day Jeff George, Bone-a-fide LOSER at QB in Jake Plummet.

A miget o-line that can't pass block.

A receiver corp that look suspiciously like the 2003 Raiders meaning one old man who can't run by anyone any longer and a pretty good younger guy.

ZERO pass rush made even worse by the loss of their best pass rusher to free agency.

An absolute crap secondary led by HIGHLY OVERRATED Chump Bailey.

Unless Denver plays Arizone every week, they're not getting better.


Collins is way more like Jeff George than Plummer will ever be.

O line that can't pass block? Is that why they were 3rd in the league for fewest sacks given up, and 6th last year?

They had two 1000 yard WRs, and they got nearly 1000 yards from the TE/3rd WR (both should be better next year, along with Lelie).

They only thing you are right about it the pass rush, which they are addressing. The switch to the 3-4 may be the answer.

Crap secondary? Nobody said they were best in the league, but they certainly weren't crap. How could they be crap when they were 6th in the league without a pass rush. They must have done something right back there.

[Arkie]

I see a team that's just as good as last year. Take away all the excessive bad breaks, and the Broncos would appear to be a better team. One little Q fumble in the 2nd game last year may have costed us the Super Bowl. Or, maybe it was just one of Jake's INTs. Just one. That little difference cost us a home playoff game. It could have been a simple botched FG. ???

[baja]

If we end up keeping Pryce it will be because he was man enough to sit down and talk with management and get things cleared up. They both need to save face on this deal. Pryce wants to get paid and he doesn't care by who. He thinks it's just business but he's making a young man's mistake. He'll think about that in the end.

Pryce should take the paycut in exchange for more talent on the DL. If he's not working towards this deal I say there isn't enough of Pryce to worry about him one way or another. Players who play for checks don't have any heart. They aren't playing with passion but for filthy lucre. The only way money motivates you is if you can't have it. Broncos are trying to motivate this man. If he doesn't step up I think the Broncos take the best NFC deal and walk.

I always thought Pryce was one of the un-named under achieving players that Rod Smith was talking about after the 03 season.

[baja]

So who is this man with long hair and breasts?



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[Jason in LA]

I think there have been too many chicken littles around here. The sky isn't falling. It was funny a couple weeks back when the Raiders signed a nobody and some members on this board were acting like they signed the missing piece while the Broncos weren't doing anything.

Can the Broncos be better than last year? I think so. Offensively they just need to limit the turnovers. Getting Plummer back up to 62% completions and limit his ints will fix that problem. RD was all power, no spark. Portis was all spark, no power. Bell could be a little of both, which will better serve the offense.

Pass rush is the problem with the D. Changing to the 3-4 could be the answer. I'd like them to get Brown and keep Pryce, so the 4-3 will still be a very good option.

We'll have to wait to see how things play out during the offseason, but reading the posts from some people, it would seem like this team was going to go 7-9 next year. There is too much talent on this team to not at least be as good as last year.

[Mile High Shack]

..........chiefs thought same thing last year

[Hotrod]

Ive taken a step back and am willing to wait and see what they do to address the Dline before yelling anymore. I will say if the dline continues to be the problem it looks to be were in for a long season.

Pryce will be traded or cut so we still have a huge hole to fix and Im not seeing whos avalible to stick into that hole.

[Clockwork Orange]

Not sure what Toilet Bowlen is looking at. I'm looking at a Donko team with a modern day Jeff George, Bone-a-fide LOSER at QB in Jake Plummet.

A miget o-line that can't pass block.

A receiver corp that look suspiciously like the 2003 Raiders meaning one old man who can't run by anyone any longer and a pretty good younger guy.

ZERO pass rush made even worse by the loss of their best pass rusher to free agency.

An absolute crap secondary led by HIGHLY OVERRATED Chump Bailey.

Unless Denver plays Arizone every week, they're not getting better.

Hey look, we've found the Chokeland equivalent of Bob's a Virgin.

[ro_50]

What else is Bowlen going to say. He's the owner. Great insight by BW yet again.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Talk about the Information Minister!

[Sir Mawn]

Talk about the Information Minister!


LOL Have to give it to him. This one was funny...

[bronco militia]

Talk about the Information Minister!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=11044&stc=1

:moody:

ha ha!

[Rich Karlis]

I agree. You need good TE production when your inside the 20. That is something Denver didn't have.

Red Zone receptions in '04

R. Smith--10 , 4 tds
A. Lelie--1 , 0 tds
D. Watts--2 , 1 td
J. Putzier-- 2 , 1 td
T. Luke-- 0
N. Jackson-- 0
D. Carswell-- 1 , 1 td
P. Hape-- 6 , 4 tds

The Broncos are a Rod Smith injury away from sending Elam to the Pro Bowl....

[dbroncos31]

Not sure what Toilet Bowlen is looking at. I'm looking at a Donko team with a modern day Jeff George, Bone-a-fide LOSER at QB in Jake Plummet.

A miget o-line that can't pass block.

A receiver corp that look suspiciously like the 2003 Raiders meaning one old man who can't run by anyone any longer and a pretty good younger guy.

ZERO pass rush made even worse by the loss of their best pass rusher to free agency.

An absolute crap secondary led by HIGHLY OVERRATED Chump Bailey.

Unless Denver plays Arizone every week, they're not getting better.
this guy is an idiot. Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer, and he will be next year, even with moss. The Broncos o-line was one of the best last year in pass blocking, as well as run blocking. Plummer was barley sacked. Rod Smith can still run. i was at the Carolina game, where he ran down Peppers over 100 yards to make the tackle. Maybe Moss has more speed, but i'll take rod's hustle any day. Yeah, we had no pass rush, but we should be better in a 3-4 and thru the draft and veteran cuts we'll be better. CRAP secondary?? yeah right. Our pass defense was much worse than yours right? no, your pass defense sucked and ours was 6th in the NFL. You must be on crack to say this stuff. one thing you said was even close to on par, about the D-Line. 1 out of 5. that's a 20%. great job, i'm sure that's an A in your preschool.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah, we had no pass rush, but we should be better in a 3-4

Hilarious!

[Maximus]

Hilarious!

WTF!!! you even have bowels spewing bullshiat... This article is nothing more than lip service!!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer

How well would Plummer do with no running game and no defense? And a dip**** coach.

[Maximus]

Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer, and he will be next year, even with moss.


I have to disagree. Kerry Collins started in 13 games and passed for 3495 yards 21 TD's 20 ints and had a 56.3% of completion. He didn't know the Raiders offense and he had inexperienced WR's

Plummer was in his second season with the donkeys knew the offense and he Passed for 4,089 yards 27 TD's 20 ints and had a 58.2% of completion.

If Kerry Collins played 16 games he would have passed for 4,301 yards 26 TD's and would have had 24 ints.

Hardly a reason to think that plummer is sooo much better than collins. If my extrapolation is correct plummer was only better in Completion percentage and Interceptions. With Moss, Porter & Curry his numbers will be much better than plummer.

[dbroncos31]

If my extrapolation is correct plummer was only better in Completion percentage and Interceptions.
actually, plummer would have been better in TDs, Comp % and Ints, all of which are more important than yards.

[Maximus]

actually, plummer would have been better in TDs, Comp % and Ints, all of which are more important than yards.

Correct but, your assertion that he's sooo far ahead of Collins is skewed. The numbers tell the truth. If we're to look at their career numbers I wouldn't be surprised to see collins way ahead!

Maybe we should plug Randy Moss Into the Raiders Lineup and Subtract Doug Gabriel Or Ronald Curry and lets see who would be Better... Sheer Speculation but, With the current numbers ( If I did the math correctly ) Collins would Kill plummers numbers!

[LifersRaiders]

this guy is an idiot. Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer, and he will be next year, even with moss. The Broncos o-line was one of the best last year in pass blocking, as well as run blocking. Plummer was barley sacked. Rod Smith can still run. i was at the Carolina game, where he ran down Peppers over 100 yards to make the tackle. Maybe Moss has more speed, but i'll take rod's hustle any day. Yeah, we had no pass rush, but we should be better in a 3-4 and thru the draft and veteran cuts we'll be better. CRAP secondary?? yeah right. Our pass defense was much worse than yours right? no, your pass defense sucked and ours was 6th in the NFL. You must be on crack to say this stuff. one thing you said was even close to on par, about the D-Line. 1 out of 5. that's a 20%. great job, i'm sure that's an A in your preschool.

"Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer"

When was the last time bona-a-fide LOSER Plummet took his team to a Super Bowl?

"Plummer was barley sacked."

One thing Plummet does do well is run for his life of which he did plenty last year.

"Maybe Moss has more speed, but i'll take rod's hustle any day."

Sure you will turbo, sure you will.

"CRAP secondary?? yeah right. Our pass defense was much worse than yours right?"

They sure looked good against Oakland on the Sunday nighter and against Indy, right? No, ours sucked too.

[Clockwork Orange]

How well would Plummer do with no running game and no defense? And a dip**** coach.

Aren't those the same excuses you spew for TrINT minus the no running game part?

You can bag on Plummer and Collins all you want Meatpeeker, they've both got a playoff win to their credit....unlike TrINT. rofl

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Aren't those the same excuses you spew for TrINT minus the no running game part?

You can bag on Plummer and Collins all you want Meatpeeker, they've both got a playoff win to their credit....unlike TrINT. rofl

Oh, Trent Green doesn't even enter into this conversation. He's the best quarterback in the AFC West, bar none.

[sirhcyennek81]

Green is the best qb in the west...statistically, last season, Brees was.

[Clockwork Orange]

Oh, Trent Green doesn't even enter into this conversation. He's the best quarterback in the AFC West, bar none.

LOL

Keep telling yourself that Bob. I guess it's not a lie if you believe it.:laugh:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You folks are kidding yourselves if you think otherwise.

77 touchdowns against 42 interceptions the last three years. Over 12,000 yards passing in that time span. The NFL's no. 1 offense in some fashion in each of those three years.

Owned!

[sirhcyennek81]

How many playoff wins does Green have?

[dbroncos31]

"Kerry Collins is much worse than Plummer"

When was the last time bona-a-fide LOSER Plummet took his team to a Super Bowl?

"Plummer was barley sacked."

One thing Plummet does do well is run for his life of which he did plenty last year.

"Maybe Moss has more speed, but i'll take rod's hustle any day."

Sure you will turbo, sure you will.

"CRAP secondary?? yeah right. Our pass defense was much worse than yours right?"

They sure looked good against Oakland on the Sunday nighter and against Indy, right? No, ours sucked too.
in terms of secondary, everyone has bad games. but at the end of the season, we were 6th in the NFL. end of story. I WILL take rod over moss because i want a player that will block, hustle when he's not the primary receiver, and not leave the game with 2 seconds left. Oh, and a guy whos a team leader and a positive influence in the locker room. in terms of plummer, i think that he is better than collins, though i'm getting no support there. I feel that plummer will be much better this year than he was last year with the maturation of Watts and hopefully better TE production. Plummer has never gotten to the Super Bowl. Collins did once, and how did he do there? oh yeah, tied the record for most Ints, which was also tied by Gannon.sure, collins got to the Super Bowl, but that doesn't mean that he was the reason why. I mean, damn, trent dilfer got to the super bowl.

[sirhcyennek81]

Plummer is better then Collins.

[Clockwork Orange]

You folks are kidding yourselves if you think otherwise.

77 touchdowns against 42 interceptions the last three years. Over 12,000 yards passing in that time span. The NFL's no. 1 offense in some fashion in each of those three years.

Owned!

And 0 playoff wins.

TrINT Greesie.:laugh:

[FADERPROOF]

And 0 playoff wins.

TrINT Greesie.:laugh:

But Bob said that wasthe defenses fault.

Bob also said our loss this year to the Colts WASNT the defenses fault.

[Maximus]

Plummer is better then Collins.

Care to back that up with some information?

[sirhcyennek81]

so now my opinion needs to be backed up with fact? what logic do you function under? ;)

[Maximus]

so now my opinion needs to be backed up with fact? what logic do you function under? ;)

What was I thinking. You're a donkey fan. Facts & Logic are abstract concepts to you!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

But Bob said that wasthe defenses fault.

Bob also said our loss this year to the Colts WASNT the defenses fault.

Bob never said that. Your defense deserved it's share of the blame.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And 0 playoff wins.

TrINT Greesie.:laugh:

Just...shut up.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just...shut up.

Truth hurts, eh?

[Drek]

God, an AFC West QB comparision. Who cares? Not a one approaches what you'd call an elite QB. Next we'll have people arguing who the smartest Chefs fan is. Who cares who the best bottom feeder is?

These numbers here:
Red Zone receptions in '04

R. Smith--10 , 4 tds
A. Lelie--1 , 0 tds
D. Watts--2 , 1 td
J. Putzier-- 2 , 1 td
T. Luke-- 0
N. Jackson-- 0
D. Carswell-- 1 , 1 td
P. Hape-- 6 , 4 tds

Make me wish we could get Bubba Franks. He'd have a major positive effect on our team. Is he still on the market or has he signed the tender the Packers gave him?

I can see how Bowlen would think we'd be improved though. The offense should improve based on young guys having more experience and Plummer hopefully not making as many mental errors. Defensively we've improved at linebacker (though not terribly needed), the secondary should see only marginal drop off if we're healthy since Walls is better than Herndon when he can play, and Ferguson adds some extra pass protection that KK couldn't, at the cost of some less needed run stopping. DL remains the big question mark. Warren doesn't need to do much to outplay all the guys we rotated through last year, but loosing Hayward will be hard to replace. If Trev is healthy and stays that more than compensates, otherwise we still really need to get some work done on the DL. Marques Douglas and Courtney Brown would together make up for that loss I'd say, or the right first round DE selection as well.

I'd be more willing to bet that we stay about the same, but with a few breaks our way its not unreasonable to think we'd be better.

[FADERPROOF]

Bob never said that. Your defense deserved it's share of the blame.

You were all over TJ's analysis on why it was our offense that cost us that game, don't start lying about this **** now.

[Clockwork Orange]

You were all over TJ's analysis on why it was our offense that cost us that game, don't start lying about this **** now.

Pay that no mind, that was just Bob's usual jock riding on TJ.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You were all over TJ's analysis on why it was our offense that cost us that game, don't start lying about this **** now.

TJ was right. The offense did not perform up to par either, in fact it contributed in a major way to the loss by it's pathetic performance in the first half.

Neither side of your team was up to snuff.

[FADERPROOF]

TJ was right. The offense did not perform up to par either, in fact it contributed in a major way to the loss by it's pathetic performance in the first half.

Neither side of your team was up to snuff.

But Trent Green's zero playoff wins was ALL because of your defense, you continue to amaze everyone here for all the wrong reasons.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

But Trent Green's zero playoff wins was ALL because of your defense, you continue to amaze everyone here for all the wrong reasons.

The facts don't lie. Trent Green had a great playoff game and our offense was fantastic.

[FADERPROOF]

The facts don't lie. Trent Green had a great playoff game and our offense was fantastic.

But it was your defense that lost the game.

So if Plummer had a great playoff game and our offense was fantastic we should've also lost that game right?

So why say that had our offense played well we would've won?

[Clockwork Orange]

The facts don't lie. Trent Green had a great playoff game and our offense was fantastic.

Actually, the facts say that TrINT had a pretty pedestrian day in his one and only playoff appearance.

18-30, 212 yards, 1 TD. Yeah, he sure lit it up.::)

Oh yeah, and lost.

[FADERPROOF]

Actually, the facts say that TrINT had a pretty pedestrian day in his one and only playoff appearance.

18-30, 212 yards, 1 TD. Yeah, he sure lit it up.::)

Oh yeah, and lost.

I wonder what his reply will be to that...

A.) "Just drop it"

B.) "Shut up already"

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually, the facts say that TrINT had a pretty pedestrian day in his one and only playoff appearance.

18-30, 212 yards, 1 TD. Yeah, he sure lit it up.::)

Oh yeah, and lost.

Clearly the stats don't tell the whole story. He had a great playoff game. We never even punted. The only reason we had to kick field goals was dropped passes.

Trent had 12 incomplete passes and FIVE of them were DROPS. TWO of those drops were in the endzone.

You are WRONG, CO!

Trent did everything he could to win that game. There was never a play where I said "Dammit, Trent. If only you could have made that play we might be winning this game."

[Bob's your Information Minister]

But it was your defense that lost the game.

So if Plummer had a great playoff game and our offense was fantastic we should've also lost that game right?

So why say that had our offense played well we would've won?

I didn't say that. But your offense needs to play well for you to win a playoff game, unless you're the 2000 Ravens or the 1985 Bears.

[Clockwork Orange]

Clearly the stats don't tell the whole story. He had a great playoff game. We never even punted. The only reason we had to kick field goals was dropped passes.

Trent had 12 incomplete passes and FIVE of them were DROPS. TWO of those drops were in the endzone.

You are WRONG, CO!

Trent did everything he could to win that game. There was never a play where I said "Dammit, Trent. If only you could have made that play we might be winning this game."

Of course, the stats don't tell the story because they completely contradict your argument. Funny, you cling to stats like a drowning man to a life raft during your attempts to bash Jake Plummer. Nice to see you being your usual hypocritcal self.

The point is, TrINT didn't elevate his game in the playoffs. He didn't put up numbers. He didn't get the job done. He lost. End of story.

It's hilarious to watch you scramble for excuses to homer up for TrINT though. Please continue.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Of course, the stats don't tell the story because they completely contradict your argument. Funny, you cling to stats like a drowning man to a life raft during your attempts to bash Jake Plummer. Nice to see you being your usual hypocritcal self.

The point is, TrINT didn't elevate his game in the playoffs. He didn't put up numbers. He didn't get the job done. He lost. End of story.

It's hilarious to watch you scramble for excuses to homer up for TrINT though. Please continue.

Trent definitely got the job done. What more could he have done?

The receivers and defense did not get the job done. And then of course there was the missed field goal.

[Clockwork Orange]

Trent definitely got the job done. What more could he have done?

The receivers and defense did not get the job done. And then of course there was the missed field goal.

No, he didn't get the job done. I'm just using your own black & white standard for judging these things.

When things go wrong with Plummer, no matter if it's his fault or not, you blame him for it. You don't take circumstances such as dropped passes or tipped passes into account, only the result. I'm just holding TrINT to the same standard and by that standard he was pretty average in that game and came up short.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, he didn't get the job done. I'm just using your own black & white standard for judging these things.

When things go wrong with Plummer, no matter if it's his fault or not, you blame him for it. You don't take circumstances such as dropped passes or tipped passes into account, only the result. I'm just holding TrINT to the same standard and by that standard he was pretty average in that game and came up short.

I don't do that with Plummer at all. I've given credit where credit is due concerning Plummer in the past.

Trent got the job done. The defense didn't. That's been the ****ing story for three years now. Even Priest was more at fault in that playoff game.

[Clockwork Orange]

I don't do that with Plummer at all. I've given credit where credit is due concerning Plummer in the past.

What a bubbling crock of **** that is.

You've never given Plummer credit for anything, so spare me the revisionist history.

Remember Bob, Mr. Garrison says that lying makes you sterile.

[Spider]

Too freaking much . we have Raider fan , with Collins as a QB , giving us lip on the QB spot ....... Thats like Donnie Osmond Telling Bruce Springsteen how to sing ..... Just aint right ....
Then we have the Inbred Chief fan pimping his QB that folds up in the playoffs like a cheap card table after a all night Poker game ........
Next thing you know Buc fan will show up telling us how Griese Kicked ass ...... Hell Buc fan would have more case then Raider and Chief fan .......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

What a bubbling crock of **** that is.

You've never given Plummer credit for anything, so spare me the revisionist history.

Remember Bob, Mr. Garrison says that lying makes you sterile.

I most certainly have. He's played well at times during his Broncos career. Better the first year than last.

[Cito Pelon]

I think the key out of that article was Bowlen saying "depending on our draft."

Yeah, with a great draft, the Broncs are better. With only $3 million in cap room, they're probably planning on trading out of the first round. Without a #1, you're probably not gonna have a great draft.

[SoCalBronco]

I think the key out of that article was Bowlen saying "depending on our draft."

Yeah, with a great draft, the Broncs are better. With only $3 million in cap room, they're probably planning on trading out of the first round. Without a #1, you're probably not gonna have a great draft.

It will be hard for anyone to have a "great" draft this year. This is one of the poorest drafts i have ever seen, however there is some decent depth at all positions up to around pick 60. After that only WR and RB are decent. Trading down to pick up a number 2 would be a great idea, the differences between prospects is especially miniscule this year from around Pick 8-50 or so. Its not like last year for example where there were 5 or 6 sure fire studs and then another well defined tier of very good players. This draft is very hazy, so its naturally a good idea to accumulate as many day 1 picks as you can so that you increase your chances of getting at least 1 hit.

[Maximus]

Too freaking much . we have Raider fan , with Collins as a QB , giving us lip on the QB spot ....... Thats like Donnie Osmond Telling Bruce Springsteen how to sing ..... Just aint right ....
Then we have the Inbred Chief fan pimping his QB that folds up in the playoffs like a cheap card table after a all night Poker game ........
Next thing you know Buc fan will show up telling us how Griese Kicked ass ...... Hell Buc fan would have more case then Raider and Chief fan .......

Spider just face it man... Jake is mediocre when he's at his best! He played 16 games and barely managed to post better statistics than Collins who only played 13 full games. As far as TrINT goes he's not the greatest but, he's better than plummer too.

[watermock]

Your missing the point Max.

For every 5th rounder we pick up and lose we get....well, never mind.

Umm...we are developing our DE's and SS's...ummm...

Trevor Pryce is the lynchpin of our...errrr...

[LifersRaiders]

Spider just face it man... Jake is mediocre when he's at his best! He played 16 games and barely managed to post better statistics than Collins who only played 13 full games. As far as TrINT goes he's not the greatest but, he's better than plummer too.

Some in coaching circles called Jeff George a "coach killer." A coach would become mezmerized by George's 40 yard passes on a rope and sign him. Jeff George despite all his physical talents was a loser. Jake Plummet is another Jeff George. Plummet has lots of physical talent but his intangibles makes him the bona-a-fide LOSER that he is. As long as Plummet is the Denver QB, Donkos will never win a thing.

[Raider Bill]

Too freaking much . we have Raider fan , with Collins as a QB , giving us lip on the QB spot ....... Thats like Donnie Osmond Telling Bruce Springsteen how to sing ..... Just aint right ....
Then we have the Inbred Chief fan pimping his QB that folds up in the playoffs like a cheap card table after a all night Poker game ........
Next thing you know Buc fan will show up telling us how Griese Kicked ass ...... Hell Buc fan would have more case then Raider and Chief fan .......


Come on Spid, if Collins is Donnie Osmond, Jake isn't the Boss.... I'd say more like Wayne Newton. They're cut from similar cloth.

Collins - a chromosome short of Lamonica

Plummer - a chromosome short of Elway

[Spider]

Spider just face it man... Jake is mediocre when he's at his best! He played 16 games and barely managed to post better statistics than Collins who only played 13 full games. As far as TrINT goes he's not the greatest but, he's better than plummer too.
Maybe , But Raider fan dissing Plummer when he has Collins .......
as far as TrINT goes ..... what has TrINT got done ?
Let me put it like this , you guys dissing plummer is like me going to Charger board and Dissing Brees ........

[Spider]

Come on Spid, if Collins is Donnie Osmond, Jake isn't the Boss.... I'd say more like Wayne Newton. They're cut from similar cloth.

Collins - a chromosome short of Lamonica

Plummer - a chromosome short of Elway
Fair enough ;D

[Arkie]

I didn't say that. But your offense needs to play well for you to win a playoff game, unless you're the 2000 Ravens or the 1985 Bears.

...or the 2005 Broncos!

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[Rascal]

to bad there is nobody to post a picture of along the d-line.

[gunns]

Seems Shanahan got Bowlen's ear. But I have feeling Bowlen has laid down the law to Shanahan and both are talking a good game.....Bowlen, because he's heard the rumblings and wants to keep butts in the seats and Shanahan to keep his job. "Depending on how we draft" tells me that Bowlen maybe recognizes that things aren't going exactly according to plan this off season and threw that into that hyperbole of a statement. At least I hope Bowlen recognizes and isn't that easy to convince.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

...or the 2005 Broncos!

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I like how one of your photos is Chump on offense. ugh!~

[Raider Bill]

hey ya forgot this one


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[Raider Bill]

http://www.glowfoto.com/images/2004/12/02-144722T.gif


You forgot this one

[FADERPROOF]

gonna post it 3 times dumbass?

[Cito Pelon]

. . .and both are talking a good game.....Bowlen, because he's heard the rumblings and wants to keep butts in the seats and Shanahan to keep his job. "Depending on how we draft" tells me that Bowlen maybe recognizes that things aren't going exactly according to plan this off season and threw that into that hyperbole of a statement. At least I hope Bowlen recognizes and isn't that easy to convince.

Yup. They're talking a good game. I hope that good draft comes around, and another one next year, and they bring in a top-notch OC to revitalize the offense.

And I wish Jake Plummer my best wishes this year for success. He deserves it. The guy's a warrior.