Who Wants to Play for the Loser Chiefs...Hartwell DOESN'T!

[Riddi]

Sorry Boob but ESPN.COM is reporting that Hartwell has signed a deal with Atlanta Falcons...

[Riddi]

Hartwell's six-year contract totals $24.25 million and includes an $8 million signing bonus. There are additional base salary guarantees in the first three seasons of the contract. The deal will pay Hartwell $10 million in its first two years and $13.25 million over the first three seasons.

In the end, Hartwell chose the Falcons over the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan). Seattle had been in the chase for him as well but, over the past few days, dropped out of the bidding. Agent Harold Lewis negotiated extensively with officials from Atlanta and Kansas City over the weekend and the deal came together when the Falcons raised their offer from $4 million per year, a number on which they had been stuck for days.

A number of Atlanta officials -- including owner Arthur Blank and head coach Jim Mora and defensive coordinator Ed Donatell -- lobbied Hartwell hard the past few days.

[FADERPROOF]

Poor Chiefs...is it about time to bump up the "Well, at least the Chiefs got Gunther" thread?

[crazyhorse]

Nice jab.

The Chiefs signing a better MLB has somewhat taken the sting out of it though.

[crazyhorse]

Poor Chiefs...is it about time to bump up the "Well, at least the Chiefs got Gunther" thread?

Or perhaps I should start a "well at least the Donks have Bailey" thread.

[FADERPROOF]

Or perhaps I should start a "well at least the Donks have Bailey" thread.

Even our pathetic offseason doesnt compare to the misses KC has has.

This is a free forum, start the thread if you'd like, you dont need my permission.

[delany]

Nice jab.

The Chiefs signing a better MLB has somewhat taken the sting out of it though.


So Bell is better than Hartwell?

Talk about being a homer...you can't just ignore the question marks surrounding Bell.

Or maybe you can....

[crazyhorse]

Even our pathetic offseason doesnt compare to the misses KC has has.

This is a free forum, start the thread if you'd like, you dont need my permission.

I will continue to let the Bronco off season speak for itself.

[crazyhorse]

So Bell is better than Hartwell?

Talk about being a homer...you can't just ignore the question marks surrounding Bell.

Or maybe you can....

Yep, I can.

Yep, he is.

Perhaps you should elaborate on "question marks".

[Taco John]

Bell is better than Hartwell!?

ROFL!

You'd have to be a homer so blind that you've still got forks sticking out of your eye sockets to believe that one...

[crazyhorse]

Bell is better than Hartwell!?

ROFL!

You'd have to be a homer so blind that you've still got forks sticking out of your eye sockets to believe that one...

I guess so.

In what way is Hartwell better? I mean, he's only a 2 down LBer.

[DBroncos4life]

I guess so.

In what way is Hartwell better? I mean, he's only a 2 down LBer.

So the choice is between a two down LB or a LB that played only two downs last year? Hmmmmm Of corse the guy that hasn't played a full year in two years is better because he has that KC logo on.

[crazyhorse]

So the choice is between a two down LB or a LB that played only two downs last year? Hmmmmm Of corse the guy that hasn't played a full year in two years is better because he has that KC logo on.


I hear ya. Kinda like Pryce.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I don't think Hartwell is worse than Bell, but he's not that much better.

Obviously the Chiefs did not have the cap room to give Hartwell what he was asking. My guess is they are still working on the deal with Miami for Surtain and didn't want to count their chickens before they hatched by giving Hartwell more than they could afford.

[Saulbadguy]

Hartwell wanted too much guaranteed money.

We gotta get a CB now. No excuses. We already got our LB.

[DBroncos4life]

I hear ya. Kinda like Pryce.


Yep that was a great spin job. Nice to see its still working for you.

[DBroncos4life]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235075

Three straight years of 90 or more tackles

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235195

Wow he got 9 sacks! IN 01!

Bell does have talent but so does Hartwell. Of the two which one is on the field more? Thats what I look at.

[crazyhorse]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235075

Three straight years of 90 or more tackles

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235195

Wow he got 9 sacks! IN 01!

Bell does have talent but so does Hartwell. Of the two which one is on the field more? Thats what I look at.

It would appear that with less time on the field that Bell shows more overall ability.

The fact that he has less total tackles is an indicator that he has been injured. I conceed that point. But as for who is the "better" LBer, the numbers at least point to Bell.

I also contend that Bells injuries have been different injuries. Not a particular injury. This would indicate that he doesn't have a specific injury that he is prone to. But that's really another issue. We were talking about who is the best LBer.

Comparing numbers would prove out to be in favor of Bell as an overall better guy.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bell's injuries were the result of him pushing himself too hard. He had a minor injury and came back a week or two early and made it worse. The other major injury occured in the weight room. I don't think either of those make him "injury prone." It makes him stupid, and he did say he had learned from his mistakes.

[DBroncos4life]

It would appear that with less time on the field that Bell shows more overall ability.

The fact that he has less total tackles is an indicator that he has been injured. I conceed that point. But as for who is the "better" LBer, the numbers at least point to Bell.

I also contend that Bells injuries have been different injuries. Not a particular injury. This would indicate that he doesn't have a specific injury that he is prone to. But that's really another issue. We were talking about who is the best LBer.

Comparing numbers would prove out to be in favor of Bell as an overall better guy.


I find that to be the really funny. Didn't you call Hartwell a "two down lb"? So hes getting over 90 tackles while only playing on first and second downs during the series? Seems to me if thats the case the guy is much more talented then you want to say. His best year came when he wasn't playing with Lewis. I think its safe to bet that he will do even better now that hes not there...stat wise.

[Broncoblood]

finally a KC fan admitting the stupidity around the team in which he cheers for

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I find that to be the really funny. Didn't you call Hartwell a "two down lb"? So hes getting over 90 tackles while only playing on first and second downs during the series?

Yes, that is not that amazing. 2 of every 3 defensive snaps would be approximately 40 plays on defense a game. Hartwell is more than capable of getting, on average, 5 or 6 tackles in those 40 plays.

[crazyhorse]

I find that to be the really funny. Didn't you call Hartwell a "two down lb"? So hes getting over 90 tackles while only playing on first and second downs during the series? Seems to me if thats the case the guy is much more talented then you want to say. His best year came when he wasn't playing with Lewis. I think its safe to bet that he will do even better now that hes not there...stat wise.

I'm sure Hartwell will do just fine. I never said he was no good. I said Bell was better.

I still prefer the better all around LBer.

I must say however that I appreciate your concern.

Rep.

[DBroncos4life]

Yes, that is not that amazing. 2 of every 3 defensive snaps would be approximately 40 plays on defense a game. Hartwell is more than capable of getting, on average, 5 or 6 tackles in those 40 plays.


And all that with the Ravens having 9 guys over 60 tackles. The Ravens D had lots of guys getting to people last year. Hartwell had to fight of Reed, Lewis, Baxter, Douglas, and Suggs to make plays on that D. Moving to the Falcons should only help his stats.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And all that with the Ravens having 9 guys over 60 tackles. The Ravens D had lots of guys getting to people last year. Hartwell had to fight of Reed, Lewis, Baxter, Douglas, and Suggs to make plays on that D. Moving to the Falcons should only help his stats.

If Mike Maslowski can get 160 tackles.... ;D

[Taco John]

I'm pretty sure that Hartwell passed his physical.

[crazyhorse]

I'm pretty sure that Hartwell passed his physical.

That's gotta be worth a few million.

[easymobee]

Here is my Chiefs Planet viewership scorecard as of now .....

Chief fans wanted Hartwell the most in the beginning.

Kendrell Bell was considered a "Decent" backup plan. There were maybe 5 or 6 regular CP posters that made it known that Bell was there 1st choice before either was signed .... The other 1300 all wore their feeling for Hartwell on their sleeve.

When Samari Rolle Bolted, The Planet was flooded with "Sign Hartwell Now" threads, panic and meltdown were in high supply when Hartwell left to visit the Cardinals with no deal in place from KC management.

Carl Peterson, in what appeared to be a quick make-up move for the Rolle mishap signs K. Bell to a deal. All of a sudden Chief fans warm up to K. Bell (not a bad player) but it was clear to see that they still wanted to sign Hartwell as well.

Sammy Knight signs next. In the beginning Sammy Knight was joked about over there as the kind of lower-tier FA Peterson would bring in to distract Chief fans from the fact that none of the elite FA's would be signed.

As you can tell from GoChiefs (BYU) Sammy Knight has risen above the "lower tier FA" rep to a "top 10 Safety"

Chief fans were still hot and heavy for Hartwell after the Knight signing.

Then it just became more and more evident that KC wouldn't get Hartwell. So the fanbase over at the Planet began the steady downgrade of their opinion of him as a football player.

2 weeks ago he was an elite LB'er, now he's a 2 down LB not worth any signifigant guaranteed money. KC fans should read a scouting report on K. Bell and see that his big weakness in Pittsburgh was coverage schemes and that he too .... is considered a 2 down LB'er.

KC fans have simply been preparing themselves mentally for Hartwell not being a Chief. If you go back a week or 2 at the Planet you'll see how good he used to be.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

In the beginning Sammy Knight was joked about over there as the kind of lower-tier FA Peterson would bring in to distract Chief fans from the fact that none of the elite FA's would be signed.

This is the only bull**** part of your post. The rest I agree with.

If you can find some proof to support your statement (there is ample proof of your other statements) you are correct.

Knight's a top 10 safety for sure, as I proved in my thread awhile back. I'd rather have Hartwell than Bell, but Bell is no slouch and will really help us out.

[SoCalBronco]

This is the only bull**** part of your post. The rest I agree with.

If you can find some proof to support your statement (there is ample proof of your other statements) you are correct.

Knight's a top 10 safety for sure, as I proved in my thread awhile back. I'd rather have Hartwell than Bell, but Bell is no slouch and will really help us out.

IF he is healthy Bob. IF. You always have the need to remind us that when we are talking Courtney Brown but you seem to continually omit that when talking about kendrell bell. Ok, will you admit the chiefs had a ****ty offseason if you cant get Law or Surtain?

[crazyhorse]

Here is my Chiefs Planet viewership scorecard as of now .....

Chief fans wanted Hartwell the most in the beginning.

Kendrell Bell was considered a "Decent" backup plan. There were maybe 5 or 6 regular CP posters that made it known that Bell was there 1st choice before either was signed .... The other 1300 all wore their feeling for Hartwell on their sleeve.

When Samari Rolle Bolted, The Planet was flooded with "Sign Hartwell Now" threads, panic and meltdown were in high supply when Hartwell left to visit the Cardinals with no deal in place from KC management.

Carl Peterson, in what appeared to be a quick make-up move for the Rolle mishap signs K. Bell to a deal. All of a sudden Chief fans warm up to K. Bell (not a bad player) but it was clear to see that they still wanted to sign Hartwell as well.

Sammy Knight signs next. In the beginning Sammy Knight was joked about over there as the kind of lower-tier FA Peterson would bring in to distract Chief fans from the fact that none of the elite FA's would be signed.

As you can tell from GoChiefs (BYU) Sammy Knight has risen above the "lower tier FA" rep to a "top 10 Safety"

Chief fans were still hot and heavy for Hartwell after the Knight signing.

Then it just became more and more evident that KC wouldn't get Hartwell. So the fanbase over at the Planet began the steady downgrade of their opinion of him as a football player.

2 weeks ago he was an elite LB'er, now he's a 2 down LB not worth any signifigant guaranteed money. KC fans should read a scouting report on K. Bell and see that his big weakness in Pittsburgh was coverage schemes and that he too .... is considered a 2 down LB'er.

KC fans have simply been preparing themselves mentally for Hartwell not being a Chief. If you go back a week or 2 at the Planet you'll see how good he used to be.

Chiefsplanet sounds alot like this place.

[easymobee]

This is the only bull**** part of your post. The rest I agree with.

If you can find some proof to support your statement (there is ample proof of your other statements) you are correct.

Knight's a top 10 safety for sure, as I proved in my thread awhile back. I'd rather have Hartwell than Bell, but Bell is no slouch and will really help us out.

Go back to the first 4 days of FA and you wont have to look too hard to find a CP poster proclaim with heavy sarcasm something along the lines of " Well at least Sammy Knight is gonna be in town next week" ....... fresh on the heels of a moment of disappointment that a Rolle or Hartwell was allowed to leave town without a contract in place.

A lot of that sacrcasm was born out of the fact that the Chiefs have more natural Safeties on their roster than any other team in the NFL.

As for you "Proving" sammy is a top 10 S ( in other words, at least a Pro Bowl alternate ) ..... that'll have to be seen on the field.

You "Proved" a lot of things at this time last year that were disproved on the field in the fall.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

IF he is healthy Bob. IF. You always have the need to remind us that when we are talking Courtney Brown but you seem to continually omit that when talking about kendrell bell. Ok, will you admit the chiefs had a ****ty offseason if you cant get Law or Surtain?

The difference is Kendrell Bell is a difference maker when he is healthy. Courtney Brown is NOT.

The Chiefs will have had a crappy offseason if their defense still sucks. How's that?

[DBroncos4life]

This is the only bull**** part of your post. The rest I agree with.

If you can find some proof to support your statement (there is ample proof of your other statements) you are correct.

Knight's a top 10 safety for sure, as I proved in my thread awhile back. I'd rather have Hartwell than Bell, but Bell is no slouch and will really help us out.


Ed Reed
Roy Williams
Sean Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Brain Dawkins
Darren Sharper
Mike Brown
Micheal Lewis
John Lynch
Mike Minter


Those ten guys right there are better then Knight.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Go back to the first 4 days of FA and you wont have to look too hard to find a CP poster proclaim with heavy sarcasm something along the lines of " Well at least Sammy Knight is gonna be in town next week" ....... fresh on the heels of a moment of disappointment that a Rolle or Hartwell was allowed to leave town without a contract in place.

A lot of that sacrcasm was born out of the fact that the Chiefs have more natural Safeties on their roster than any other team in the NFL.

As for you "Proving" sammy is a top 10 S ( in other words, at least a Pro Bowl alternate ) ..... that'll have to be seen on the field.

You "Proved" a lot of things at this time last year that were disproved on the field in the fall.

I won't have to look at all. It doesn't exist. There IS a sentiment on the Planet that the Chiefs should not have signed Knight because safety isn't a position of need, but those people are morons. Our safety play was horrible last year, especially free safety.

Sammy's already proven he's a top 10 safety. I guess he could magically drop off in one season though. Uhh

[Saulbadguy]

Why do you care who we got? Anyone we sign as of right now, will be better than what we have. Bell and Knight are immediate upgrades.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ed Reed
Roy Williams
Sean Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Brain Dawkins
Darren Sharper
Mike Brown
Micheal Lewis
John Lynch
Mike Minter


Those ten guys right there are better then Knight.

Mike Brown and Mike Lewis certainly aren't. John Lynch isn't either, although no Donk fan will admit it.

Knight has more turnovers and more tackles than most of the guys on that list, too.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why do you care who we got? Anyone we sign as of right now, will be better than what we have. Bell and Knight are immediate upgrades.

Heh heh, yep. Free agency is a wash anyway. It will help, but if the Chiefs defense is going to be better next season, players already on the roster are going to have to step up and improve.

[DBroncos4life]

Mike Brown and Mike Lewis certainly aren't. John Lynch isn't either, although no Donk fan will admit it.

Knight has more turnovers and more tackles than most of the guys on that list, too.



Lewis started the Pro Bowl last year as did Lynch. Knight did not. Brown is 4 times the player that Knight is and if you would take Knight before anyone of those players on that list youre a bigger tool then I thought.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Lewis started the Pro Bowl last year as did Lynch. Knight did not. Brown is 4 times the player that Knight is and if you would take Knight before anyone of those players on that list youre a bigger tool then I thought.

Yeah because Pro Bowls mean so much. Remember when Jerome Woods went to the Pro Bowl?

I'm done talking about Knight. You'll all see the light next year when he lays a wicked lick on Ashley Lily.

[DBroncos4life]

Yeah because Pro Bowls mean so much. Remember when Jerome Woods went to the Pro Bowl?

I'm done talking about Knight. You'll all see the light next year when he lays a wicked lick on Ashley Lily.


Yep Im sure that will happen too. Right after we run another bootleg and hit Lelie who will be wide open again for 50 yards.

[easymobee]

Sammy's already proven he's a top 10 safety. I guess he could magically drop off in one season though. Uhh

I remember the good old days .... when Jerome Woods was also a top 10 safety (and Woods-Wesley was a top 3 Safety duo in the league ).

That was last year ....

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah because Pro Bowls mean so much. Remember when Jerome Woods went to the Pro Bowl?

I'm done talking about Knight. You'll all see the light next year when he lays a wicked lick on Ashley Lily.

Yeah pro bowls are apparently important because you were shoving that fact in our face last summer when we dared to say Woods was a scrub. So now you will be deemed to have no problem with the argument that Lynch is better solely because he made a fan vote pro bowl.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yep Im sure that will happen too. Right after we run another bootleg and hit Lelie who will be wide open again for 50 yards.

Remember last year when we beat your ass so bad it was the biggest blowout in the Chiefs Donk series in over 20 years?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah pro bowls are apparently important because you were shoving that fact in our face last summer when we dared to say Woods was a scrub. So now you will be deemed to have no problem with the argument that Lynch is better solely because he made a fan vote pro bowl.

Clearly there is now unrefutable evidence that pro bowls are bull****. ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

Why do you care who we got?

We really don't, but your pal Bob comes running over here anytime there's a report that anyone might think about the possiblity of considering scheduling a visit with the Chefs and starts a thread telling us that not only is that player signed, sealed and delivered, but that he's an impact player who will immediatly swing the balance of power in the AFC West.

[Clockwork Orange]

Remember last year when we beat your ass so bad it was the biggest blowout in the Chiefs Donk series in over 20 years?

Remember last year when the Broncos beat the Chefs in week 1, beginning the tailspin of the of Chefs entire season that ended a dismal 7-9?

Whoop dee damn doo.

[SoCalBronco]

Remember last year when we beat your ass so bad it was the biggest blowout in the Chiefs Donk series in over 20 years?

Remember last year when all you guys offseason circle jerks about how good you were going to be degenerated into the Planet's general discussion board becoming named "Chiefs Support Group" and "Chiefs Mental Ward"?

[easymobee]

Ed Reed
Roy Williams
Sean Taylor
Troy Polamalu
Brain Dawkins
Darren Sharper
Mike Brown
Micheal Lewis
John Lynch
Mike Minter


Those ten guys right there are better then Knight.

Adam Archuleta
Marcus Coleman
Donovin Darius
Deon Grant
Ken Hamlin
Rodney Harrison
Lawyer Milloy
Kenoy Kennedy
Tony Parrish
Reggie Tongue
Adrian Wilson

Here are some more Safeties that Sammy Knight is in competition with for top 10 status.

-Edit- I'd actually like to see BYU rank these safeties in a top 10 manner. Maybe pull out the old Marlboro Chief moniker.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah. Well if anyone has the balls to tag it, I'll put up my sig that Sammy Knight will have more turnovers (interceptions+forced/recovered fumbles) and tackles than John Lynch.

[GaryBarnett]

Mike Brown and Mike Lewis certainly aren't. John Lynch isn't either, although no Donk fan will admit it.

Knight has more turnovers and more tackles than most of the guys on that list, too.


Sammy Knight couldn't carry Michael Lewis's jock strap. Lewis is a stud!! And Lynch is tenfold better than Knight. Anymore mis-information from UncleBob???

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Sammy Knight couldn't carry Michael Lewis's jock strap. Lewis is a stud!! And Lynch is tenfold better than Knight. Anymore mis-information from UncleBob???

I'm done talking about Sammy Knight.

[Riddi]

My guess is they are still working on the deal with Miami for Surtain and didn't want to count their chickens before they hatched by giving Hartwell more than they could afford.

Bob, maybe you should stop guessing because ever player you said you would get are gone.... Don't you think that Sammy Knight had so many tackles last year was because the Dolphins sucked.. There defense was on the field ever game for over 30 minutes...Sh*t I could've had 90 tackles playing for them

[Bob's your Information Minister]

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