Champ trying to help get Courtney Brown

[ND Bronco Fan]

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050319-120346-1590r.htm

Brown mulls bids from Redskins, Broncos


By Jody Foldesy
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Defensive end Courtney Brown departed Washington and returned to the Cleveland area as scheduled yesterday to mull his options in free agency. He appeared likely to take his decision at least into next week.
The Redskins received a visit from Brown on Thursday, four days after he was cut by the Browns and was visited in Cleveland by Redskins coach Joe Gibbs and defensive line coach Greg Blache.
The Redskins remained interested in the 2000 draft's No. 1 overall pick following his physical examination Thursday, indicating that nothing unexpected or too ominous surfaced. However, in discussing Brown, Gibbs has shown Washington isn't being cavalier about his lengthy history of injuries.
Brown's other top option is the Denver Broncos, who likely would offer a starting position. In Washington, Brown would be expected to rotate at defensive end with veterans Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn.
Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, a Redskin from 1999 to 2003, apparently made a sales pitch over the phone for Brown to sign with Denver. Bailey wasn't pleased with Washington when he departed and likely didn't have good things to say about the Redskins' operations.
At Redskin Park on Thursday, Brown received counterpitches from defensive tackle Brandon Noble, Brown's teammate at Penn State in 1997, and Daniels. Noble tried to sell Brown on the quality of the Redskins' coaching staff and how a rotation with Daniels and Wynn wouldn't tax Brown too severely as he returns from a torn ligament in his foot.
Brown still could visit other teams, but nothing seemed imminent. The Jacksonville Jaguars and Seattle Seahawks both would like to take a closer look at him.

[ND Bronco Fan]

Here is another article concerning Brown

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48157-2005Mar18.html

Redskins Extend Offer to Brown
Defensive End Also Considering Denver

By Nunyo Demasio
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 19, 2005; Page D03

The Washington Redskins offered a contract to defensive end Courtney Brown during his visit to Redskins Park on Thursday, according to two sources familiar with the situation. Brown is mulling the offer over the weekend before making a decision.

The Redskins have competition from the Denver Broncos, where Brown made his first visit Tuesday as an unrestricted free agent. And according to two sources who requested anonymity, the 6-foot-4, 290-pounder will decide by Monday between Washington and Denver.

Courtney Brown, 27, was the top overall pick in the 2000 draft but has been plagued by injuries. (2001 Photo Tony Dejak -- AP)

The Seattle Seahawks and Tampa Bay Buccaneers had scheduled visits for Brown next week, sources said. But yesterday, the 27-year-old was expected to inform those teams that he is now considering only the Broncos or Redskins.

Brown's departure from Redskins Park on Thursday night without accepting Washington's offer was a mild surprise, considering owner Daniel Snyder and Coach Joe Gibbs's track record: Once the team persuades a free agent to visit Redskins Park, signing is usually a formality.

Although Gibbs played down that reputation Thursday, Redskins defensive tackle Brandon Noble -- who appeared at Redskins Park to meet with Brown -- said: "Whether or not they let him fly out without signing will be interesting. They've been known to lock people up until they sign."

Brown flew out Friday morning after informing the club that he wanted to mull his options, sources said. And Thursday, Gibbs said, "I don't think there's anything imminent."

Noble said he got the impression that Brown wouldn't make a snap decision. Noble -- who played with Brown at Penn State in 1996 -- and defensive end Phillip Daniels made their pitches to Brown during his visit.

The Broncos were about $1 million under the salary cap but are believed to be creating cap space in the hopes of signing Brown. The Redskins are about $2 million under the cap. A club source declined to reveal the team's offer, but said it has significant incentives tied to Brown's health.

Washington has an edge over Denver in intangibles: Brown, the top overall pick in the 2000 draft, is a former teammate of linebacker LaVar Arrington; and the two remain good friends. This week, the Redskins signed reserve safety Pierson Prioleau -- a stellar special-teams player -- who happens to be Brown's cousin.

One reason Denver appeals to Brown is that its defensive line coach is Andre Patterson, who had the same position in Cleveland and formed a rapport with him. Washington's Greg Blache, however, is considered one of the NFL's best defensive line coaches.

Brown also would be ensured a starting spot in Denver. Washington's starting defensive ends are Renaldo Wynn and Daniels. If Brown joins, Blache is expected to heavily rotate the threesome.

Hours after Brown was released on Monday, Gibbs and Blache flew to Cleveland for a dinner meeting with Brown and his wife, Candace. The trip was a preemptive move since Brown had scheduled a visit with Denver for Tuesday, which was extended to Wednesday morning.

Brown hasn't fully rehabilitated from surgery last fall to repair a torn Lisfranc ligament in his left foot. Brown reportedly failed a season-ending physical with the Browns.

However, sources said that the Redskins were satisfied with his condition after a physical. One source said that team doctors cleared Washington to assume the risks inherent with Brown's medical history.

Gibbs, who was unavailable to comment yesterday, said after Brown's visit: "We brought Courtney in and we gave him a physical so that we understand everything about his situation."

Redskins Note: Vice President Vinny Cerrato's wife, Rebecca, last week gave birth to their second child, Charles. . . .

Players are due back Monday at Redskins Park for the start of offseason workouts. . . .

Gibbs plans to attend the NFL's annual owners meetings, which take place Sunday through Wednesday in Maui, Hawaii. . . .

Last week, Gibbs said that the team had reached an agreement to re-sign offensive lineman Ray Brown. However, the 42-year-old still hasn't officially signed.

[clint7]

Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, a Redskin from 1999 to 2003, apparently made a sales pitch over the phone for Brown to sign with Denver. Bailey wasn't pleased with Washington when he departed and likely didn't have good things to say about the Redskins' operations.

That a boy, Champ! Spill the beans! :thumbsup:

[SoCalBronco]

yep i saw that on PFT today. good job champ.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't believe anything until our 'inside' sources confirm it.

[clint7]

Well, with these items:

1) A club source declined to reveal the team's offer, but said it has significant incentives tied to Brown's health. (I would guess that means the 'Skins didn't toss the bank at him in a foolish way that made it a deal he couldn't refuse.)

2) One reason Denver appeals to Brown is that its defensive line coach is Andre Patterson, who had the same position in Cleveland and formed a rapport with him. (Always a big advantage.)

3) Brown also would be ensured a starting spot in Denver. Washington's starting defensive ends are Renaldo Wynn and Daniels. If Brown joins, it is expected to heavily rotate the threesome. (Being an outright starter is a plus to sell, but Denver rotates as much as anyone too.)

4) LaVar Arrington; the two remain good friends. (Maybe ol' LaVar will let it slip that the 'Skins and he had an issue about the total amount of the contract he signed, which ruffled some major feathers.)

5) Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, a Redskin from 1999 to 2003, apparently made a sales pitch over the phone for Brown to sign with Denver. Bailey wasn't pleased with Washington when he departed and likely didn't have good things to say about the Redskins' operations. (Maybe Champ tells some major horror stories that gives Brown the creeps)

6) Jake gives Denver more cap room, so now the offer should be better. (Every little bit might help.)

When Brown was released and Denver had interest, I figured there was no chance since the 'Skins were ready with boners erect to sign him up. Now, at least it might be a fair fight.

[ro_50]

Good job Champ. If CB wants playing time, he could start here assuming he's healthy, but there is more to a decision than that.

[NFLBRONCO]

I think fans are getting Woody's over Brown because we are desparate for help on DL and not looking at the reality he is fragile who misses alot of games. If we land him I hope for the best if he signs in Washington (Which I truly expect) I won't be upset.

[Ray Finkle]

I think he will end up there too...

[Atlas]

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Hours after Brown was released on Monday, Gibbs and Blache flew to Cleveland for a dinner meeting with Brown and his wife, Candace. The trip was a preemptive move since Brown had scheduled a visit with Denver for Tuesday, which was extended to Wednesday morning.

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I otfen wondered how many times at these dinner meetings that the coach or owner would bring a suit cash full of cash to slip the player.

I'm not saying that was done here but I wonder how many times it has happened.

[Old Dude]

All things considered, I think I'd rather have Pryce back.

[Atlas]

All things considered, I think I'd rather have Pryce back.

I want Pryce back too. Just keep him. Pryce, Warren and Brown or Palopeoi or Luther Ellis, or Ellis Johnson at the other end. Then Denver should go into the draft and get a CB in the first round. Denver is going to need some CBs to play the Faiders this year.

[watermock]

I otfen wondered how many times at these dinner meetings that the coach or owner would bring a suit cash full of cash to slip the player.

I'm not saying that was done here but I wonder how many times it has happened.

That's pretty dangerous turf. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but love is fleeting. :twokisses

[long beach bronco]

If we get Brown, i would keep Pryce, then our dLine would be a strength not a weekness. We would have a strong dline, the fastest linebackers in the universe and the only thing we would need to work on would be our secondary and another WR and we can do that in the draft.

[FADERPROOF]

Another reason to not want Courtney Brown on this team, I have something against guys with the same first name as an ex-girlfriend of mine.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why are you guys so excited about this dude? BUST!

[Pat Bowlen]

Another reason to not want Courtney Brown on this team, I have something against guys with the same first name as an ex-girlfriend of mine.
Is that why you want Trevor gone, too?

[Pat Bowlen]

BUST!
Or maybe BOOM!?

[Clockwork Orange]

Why are you guys so excited about this dude? BUST!

He's a talented player with injury issues.

You know, just like Kendrell Bell.

[elsid13]

I actually believe Brown been on the field more then Bell.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He's a talented player with injury issues.

You know, just like Kendrell Bell.

Pfft. Brown has never been as successful as Bell in any of his seasons. Certainly was never anything close to rookie of the year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I actually believe Brown been on the field more then Bell.

Nope.

[bpc]

Brown has been a active player when healthy. Of course, thats been far and few in-between.

Still, I hope we land him but don't throw an insane ammount of money at him. I still think he can resurrect his career. Sometimes it takes these injuries a few years to really smooth out.

I'm still a fan of keeping Pryce. People now are just trying to strangle us to death for a deal and are going to wait us out. I say keep him if we can't get value for him. Besides, as somebody else said... our DLine is a major concern in terms of depth right now. If we sign Brown, bring Pryce back we have a pretty potent front four with Pryce, Brown, Warren and either E. Johnson, L. Ellis, or D. Davis. Instantly it turns from a joke into a formidable combination if we can stay healthy.

[DBroncos4life]

The guy came out of college at what 260 and now weights 290. He needs to drop that 30 pounds and hope that he can regain some of his speed.

[Broncoman13]

Lets just say for arguements sake that Denver is no longer really planning on letting Trevor go. Say we are just letting that "thought" remain amongst league owners and GM's so that they don't actively pursue other DE's b/c they THINK Pryce will be available sooner or later. I wouldn't be too suprised to see Pryce playing with the Broncos this season and then getting traded for major draft picks in 06!!!

[sirhcyennek81]

Broncos make a push, sign Brown to an incentive laden deal, keep pryce, and draft a few high motor d linemen, and see what happens. we tried that with the secondary, we did ok there.

[yavoon]

If we get Brown, i would keep Pryce, then our dLine would be a strength not a weekness. We would have a strong dline, the fastest linebackers in the universe and the only thing we would need to work on would be our secondary and another WR and we can do that in the draft.

we'd have an amazing dlin for about 9 quarters, then an amazing amt of cap space on IR.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I fail to see how getting Brown would make your D-line all that great. His best season was six sacks.

[Traveler]

Lets just say for arguements sake that Denver is no longer really planning on letting Trevor go. Say we are just letting that "thought" remain amongst league owners and GM's so that they don't actively pursue other DE's b/c they THINK Pryce will be available sooner or later. I wouldn't be too suprised to see Pryce playing with the Broncos this season and then getting traded for major draft picks in 06!!!


The team isn't that smart. But it does make the most sense at this point. Is Trevor's salary for this year already included in our present cap figure? If so, keep him and let him play this year so teams will know that he's injury free. Then as you said, we get what his real worth is in 06 if he's traded.

[watermock]

Luckily, we don't have many draft picks. Hopefully, we won't get a 3rd rounder and can pay Price his 9 million to "misfire" again this year. Why waste money on unproven draft choices? It's been proven that we do best is trade with Dallas. Maybe we can get a deep fried Turkey for Price.

[Rausch]

While Courtney is a huge talent he's also a huge headcase and kind of the king of underachievers.

If you want him all I ask is that you sign him to a long term deal.

[elsid13]

While Courtney is a huge talent he's also a huge headcase and kind of the king of underachievers.

If you want him all I ask is that you sign him to a long term deal.


Raush,

If KC was in the mix, would you be singing the same song?

[baja]

we'd have an amazing dlin for about 9 quarters, then an amazing amt of cap space on IR.

This is my concern too. There are players that benefit from a change of scenery but if a player is injury prone he takes his problems with him.

[BritBronco Maniac]

At least Washington doesn't seem to be throwing money it him, by the sounds of reports they appear to be treating Brown with caution too.
Hopefully if we do sign him, the price tag will be reasonable and low risk.
Thats the key, I would love to sign Brown, IF the price is right

[Clockwork Orange]

I fail to see how getting Brown would make your D-line all that great. His best season was six sacks.

And DJ Williams wasn't going to be any good in his rookie year.....and Rod Smith is old and slow.....and Ashley Lelie is a bust.....and Lepsis was going to get Plummer killed.

Keep 'em coming. ::)

[FADERPROOF]

Is that why you want Trevor gone, too?

Did I ever say anything about wanting Trevor gone?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't believe anything until our 'inside' sources confirm it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Garcia Bronco again.

[Play2win]

And DJ Williams wasn't going to be any good in his rookie year.....and Rod Smith is old and slow.....and Ashley Lelie is a bust.....and Lepsis was going to get Plummer killed.

Keep 'em coming. ::)
Man am I SO GLAD I finally put that Candy-Boy (BYU) on IGNOR!!!!

[Ratboy]

NFL | C. Brown to Choose Between Redskins and Broncos?

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), according to two sources close to the situation, is going to choose between the Washington Redskins and Denver Broncos.


Broncos | C. Brown Assured Starting Job?

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns) is mulling over a contract offer from the Denver Broncos. The Broncos are assuring him a starting job with the team.

[Ratboy]

This sounds to me like if we Courtney Brown agrees, Pryce will be gone with in the week.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

ugh.... please God, don't let Champ talk Courtney out of signing with Washington. Seriously, we could throw minium salary contracts at 10 street free agents and find somebody more productive than this turd -- at 1/10th the cost.

[Rascal]

If we sign him we need to have him drop down to about 270-280 not 280-290. That alone should help him stay healthier and help his knees out...at least it did for me :)

[Bronx33]

And DJ Williams wasn't going to be any good in his rookie year.....and Rod Smith is old and slow.....and Ashley Lelie is a bust.....and Lepsis was going to get Plummer killed.

Keep 'em coming. ::)




AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA........

[ND Bronco Fan]

If we sign him we need to have him drop down to about 270-280 not 280-290. That alone should help him stay healthier and help his knees out...at least it did for me :)

If the knees have no deteriorated too badly I hope this is what happens, gain some speed at the end position and hopefully his body reacts positively.

Which leads me to a compliment, I think Tuten is one of the best guys. I know when I played college basketball I heard horror stories about our pre-season conditioning program and absolutley dreaded it. There was 6 pails sitting in corners of the gym on the first (and subsequent days) of training and how intimidating that was, I personally thought it was just a mental game they played on us but believe it or not I personally saw two people use those pails to throw up into. It was absolute hell but there was not a single team that we ever faced that we lost a game to that was more conditioned......we also averaged 107 points a game my freshman year, talk about up and down and fun. Granted basketball is absolutely boring to watch but that was fun to play.

[ro_50]

Im still on the fence when it comes to CB. I know he's talented, but those injuries concern me and he's still young at 27. He still have some good years left, but if he's healthy.

I guess at this point, we need bodies.

[DBroncos4life]

A guy like Brandon Browner may fall because of a slow 40 time. Jackson may fall because he got hurt. Fabian Washinton would be a good pick if he falls to our comp third but with is 40 time being as fast as it was I don't think that will happen. Willie Amois may fall to the later rounds. He ran a sub 4.4 40 as well.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And DJ Williams wasn't going to be any good in his rookie year.....and Rod Smith is old and slow.....and Ashley Lelie is a bust.....and Lepsis was going to get Plummer killed.

Keep 'em coming. ::)

Yes but Courtney Brown ACTUALLY SUCKS. And has done nothing BUT suck since he got into the NFL.

[sirhcyennek81]

Brown has never played a complete season healthy, or at a weight he feels comfortable at. never hurts to bring him in, if he is that big of a bust, he will be gone by opening day.

[baja]

Yes but Courtney Brown ACTUALLY SUCKS. And has done nothing BUT suck since he got into the NFL.

Yes that would be why Cleveland wants to resign him,badly.

[Clockwork Orange]

Yes but Courtney Brown ACTUALLY SUCKS. And has done nothing BUT suck since he got into the NFL.

Hmmmm.....just like Ryan Sims, yet some team still has him on the payroll.

[shaun514]

from extremeskins.com


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2005Mar21.html

Brown Meets With the Jaguars
Monday, March 21, 2005; Page D03

The Washington Redskins' bid for defensive end Courtney Brown, the top overall pick in the 2000 draft, took an ominous twist yesterday when he flew to Jacksonville, Fla., for a visit with the Jaguars, according to a source familiar with the situation.

After visiting the Denver Broncos and Redskins last week, Brown had initially planned to choose between those teams by today. However, Brown -- who has received interest from several teams -- decided to visit the Jaguars, which appears to be an inauspicious sign for the Redskins.

Brown, who has missed 33 games during his five-year NFL career, was released by the Cleveland Browns on March 14 after declining to take a pay cut.

Denver restructured quarterback Jake Plummer's contract on Friday. The Broncos went from about $1 million under the salary cap to $3.3 million under after the move, putting the team in position to make a rich offer.

The Redskins are about $2 million under the cap and believe they have other intangibles to offer Brown: He has ties to linebacker LaVar Arrington (a college teammate) and reserve safety Pierson Prioleau (a second cousin).

Jacksonville, which needs a defensive end, has a large amount of cap space -- roughly $13 million. In addition, Jaguars defensive coordinator Dave Campo held the same position in Cleveland the previous two seasons. Jacksonville's defensive line coach, Ray Hamilton, also had the same job in Cleveland in 2001 and 2002.

The Seattle Seahawks and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have contacted Brown, but it's unclear whether Brown intends to visit those teams.

-- Nunyo Demasio

[Clockwork Orange]

Jacksonville would be an ideal spot for Brown. They've got a great DT tandem with Henderson & Stroud and a very good DE on one side in Reggie Hayward.

He could ease in there and not have to worry about being "the man" on the line, but would be able to ease in and just worry about doing his own job.

Wouldn't shock me at all if he signs with the Jags.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hmmmm.....just like Ryan Sims, yet some team still has him on the payroll.

You are SO good at deflecting!

[FADERPROOF]

You are SO good at deflecting!

You are SO good at...nothing!