Discuss the Picks in our OrangeMane Mock Draft [Archive] - The Orange Mane

watermock

03-13-2005, 11:51 PM

I planned on moving back down and had a buyer but it was moving so slow I decided to kick start it. The buyer came late. Honestly, I got two great players. Brown is a beast and I believe that James got worn down and knicked up late last year. Was he worth an 8? I dunno. Like I said, the plan was to move down to around 14 and pick up that second. There I could have my pick of a DE, WR or TE and recoup a second rounder nicer than I had. I just got sick of it going so slow and decided to make two top ten picks and let it go at that.

If someone wants to trade on either pick, just let me know. I consider Brown the #2 pick in the draft and James top 10 and the best end available.

KillerBronco#76

03-13-2005, 11:58 PM

alright im trying to figure out the detroit pick... why would they take williams?

Arkansas Bronco

03-14-2005, 12:06 AM

dont know but i like it cause i was wanting merriman and i just knew det. was going to grab him.

Breck Bronc

03-14-2005, 12:46 AM

alright im trying to figure out the detroit pick... why would they take williams?Unless they're working on a trade for something else, that pick doesn't make much sense with a possible Pro Bowler already on the roster in Kevin Jones.

I like what Arizona (BFDD) is doing so far with 4 second and 2 third round picks. With a weaker first round this year and a lot of guys bunched together talent-wise, I think any team would be making a decent gamble doing this in real life.

If Minnesota had picks #7 & #8 they'd probably go in a different direction than Mock, but kudos to Mock for admitting that he was trying to get this thing moving at a faster pace, which it certainly has now.

Tennessee and their GM didn't deserve as good a pick as Antrel Rolle. At least Ratboy could have went to Universal instead of Disney. :)

watermock

03-14-2005, 11:43 AM

Realistically, All Minnesota has to do is pick up the phone and sign Burress if this scenario would play out. I tried to move up to #5 several times to get Edwards several times and probably should of, but giving up my 18 and second and third didn't seem that great a deal. There wasn't alot of trade interest, but I got a couple nibbles after I allready picked.

Like I said, rights to Ronnie Brown and James are still available. You can still trade your pick. Anyone want a 233 pound back, low miles that runs a 4.4 and can both block and recieve and was considered the #2 pick my consensus?

Darkhawk24

03-14-2005, 11:58 AM

Yeah a few head scratchers here.. Maybe a few ppl are just having fun and goofing around I dunno? :)

Ii figured the skins would go CB as long as Rolle or Jones was left. With them losing Bailey then Smoot in back to back years.

Clockwork Orange

03-14-2005, 07:00 PM

Wow, Matt Roth over David Pollack? Interesting choice.

I think Erasmus James was taken a bit high, but you can't complain too much about getting the best DE on the board if that's what you need.

BFDD

03-14-2005, 08:08 PM

Wow, Matt Roth over David Pollack? Interesting choice.

No kidding, I had Roth a low 1st, early 2nd

SoCalBronco

03-14-2005, 11:19 PM

Crushaholic

03-14-2005, 11:57 PM

Wow, Matt Roth over David Pollack? Interesting choice.

If the Chefs take Roth for real, I predict Mock will have a fit... LOL

Arkansas Bronco

03-14-2005, 11:57 PM

I didnt realy think from pick 11-20 anyone would grab A. Smith (utah), was suprised that he made it this far. I planned on grabbing him if he made it to 20 but that didnt happen so i had to go with plan b. So far my draft is looking pretty good cause i heard the Cowboys had the offer sheet signed on Howard just working out the trade terms now (not sure how acurate just got this off cowboy boards while looking around and checking out there team). I got Merriman to be my pass rushing OLB (T. Suggs style) since they are going 3-4 next year. And had to get Clayton cause..well....they just needed him.

FADERPROOF

03-15-2005, 04:59 AM

i too was a little surprised by the Roth pick. i thought Saul was going to go for Carlos Rogers, the CB from Auburn. I was a little worried he might take the guy i was targetting for the Saints, LB Kevin Burnett but i was relieved when he passed on him. I was going to give away my third to move up just a few spaces to outflank the Chiefs on Burnett but thankfully he fell to 16. If Kevin wasnt there i would try my best to move down and if i didnt get a deal id take Travis Johnson right there.

Honestly SoCal, you couldve probably moved down some slots and picked up a 2nd rounder as well in the trade and still would've gotten Kevin Burnett.

As much as I like him and want to homer the Vols up, I dont see him being taken before N.O.'s pick at 16.

Saulbadguy

03-15-2005, 06:44 AM

Matt Roth has a great motor and great work ethic, and he is a real character guy. We wanted a DE, and Pollack didn't do it for us. We also watched Erasmus James work out, and quite frankly, we were dissapointed.

I was torn between Rogers or Pollack, but I believe with our signing of a FA CB (before the draft) will give us adequate depth in the secondary. Also with the "new" rules in the NFL, we believe a rookie CB will not come in contribute like a good pass rushing DE will.

FADERPROOF

03-15-2005, 12:09 PM

Ravens taking a CB? McCalister and Samari Rolle are there, no need for a nickelback pick-up in round 1.

Maybe get another WR to complement Mason(Troy Williamson), or take Channing Crowder to replace Ed Hartwell.

Clockwork Orange

03-15-2005, 12:20 PM

Baltimore taking a corner in round 1 is certainly the biggest head scratcher of this draft thus far.

watermock

03-15-2005, 12:30 PM

Matt Roth is on Clear and Creme. He's a head scratcher.

I am still looking to move down.

RocBronc

03-15-2005, 12:32 PM

Whoever got the broncos #25 pick for 2 low 2nd's should go to jail for theft... That's a terrible deal (for the Broncos)

ozomulsion

03-15-2005, 07:06 PM

Baltimore taking a corner in round 1 is certainly the biggest head scratcher of this draft thus far.

Head scratchingly retarded no doubt.

BFDD

03-15-2005, 07:11 PM

Head scratchingly retarded no doubt.

That made me laugh :P

DB-Freak

03-15-2005, 07:15 PM

Goddamn............

I had no idea they signed Rolle................

Bah W/E

Best athlete available i guess.

Saulbadguy

03-15-2005, 07:53 PM

Keep fvckin doubtin Matt Roth!

missingnumber7

03-15-2005, 07:55 PM

Whoever got the broncos #25 pick for 2 low 2nd's should go to jail for theft... That's a terrible deal (for the Broncos)
I got that...and think that two good seconds is better...you'll pay less for the 2 than the one probably....but deal with mr karlis on that one...i just took what he offered me.

FADERPROOF

03-16-2005, 05:11 AM

Goddamn............

I had no idea they signed Rolle................

Bah W/E

Best athlete available i guess.

Lived under a rock the past couple weeks or so?

DB-Freak

03-16-2005, 01:11 PM

Lived under a rock the past couple weeks or so?
Yea been pretty burnt out for the past month or two.......

BFDD

03-19-2005, 06:51 AM

Damn you denfan, you took my MLB right before I was going to :P

FADERPROOF

03-19-2005, 08:11 AM

Damn you denfan, you took my MLB right before I was going to :P

Sorry about that, I was just shocked that Crowder mde it through round 1 without getting swapped up. The Browns are in a situation here that no matter who they draft, it'll be a good choice.

Crennel is looking to use the NE's version of a 3-4, so now having Derrick Johnson as an OLB with Channing Crowder inside to go along with Andra Davis and Chaun Thompson, this looks like a much better and improved LB corp, which is something they need to be successful with a 3-4 D.

SoCalBronco

03-19-2005, 11:32 AM

i thought the marion barber pick was a little of a reach. I have Morency, Fason, Harris, Arrington and Moats ranked higher than him on my remaining HBs board.

ozomulsion

03-19-2005, 01:40 PM

i thought the marion barber pick was a little of a reach.

Yeah Barber is good but not quite that good. Big reach IMO

watermock

03-19-2005, 02:25 PM

I have seen him run, Minnesota is on quite a bit, he's better than people think.

ozomulsion

03-20-2005, 11:48 AM

I have seen him run, Minnesota is on quite a bit, he's better than people think.

This coming from someone who thought Stephon Jackson was so good that he was worth drafting with our 17th pick last year. Thus missing out on D.J. and Bell. I've seen Barber play plenty as well and he is NOT worth that high of a pick Mock.

missingnumber7

03-20-2005, 11:52 AM

Barber ain't ready for the big league...he wasn't even solid for the whole year this year.

Crushaholic

03-20-2005, 02:33 PM

I was just shocked that Crowder mde it through round 1 without getting swapped up.

I knew I (Patriots) wanted an ILB. I looked at Crowder very hard, but his past legal troubles worried me. I know people can change, but that's why I went a different direction. Otherwise, Crowder would have been a mock Patriot. I think Crowder was a decent pickup for Cleveland.

watermock

03-20-2005, 03:30 PM

"This coming from someone who thought Stephon Jackson was so good that he was worth drafting with our 17th pick last year. Thus missing out on D.J. and Bell. I've seen Barber play plenty as well and he is NOT worth that high of a pick Mock."

First, I didn't say he wasn't taken a little high, but it's not that big a reach if they want a RB. And what does that have to do with Jackson or Bell? But you started it.

2004 St. Louis Rams 14 3 134 673 5.0 48 4 5 37

Gee, Jackson only had 5.0 ypc for the Rams splitting time with Faulk. What exactly has Bell have to do with it, and what exactly has Bell done so far but battle injury and put the ball on the ground? But it isn't about Tatum Bell either.

Yes, D.J. Williams turned out to be a great player, there were some questions about his instincts, but he played well. Let's see if he can convert to Sam before crowning him king. Just because Williams looks like an excellent pick doesn't take anything from Jackson at all. 4.48 isn't bad speed for Barber.

BFDD

03-20-2005, 04:44 PM

i thought the marion barber pick was a little of a reach. I have Morency, Fason, Harris, Arrington and Moats ranked higher than him on my remaining HBs board.

Fason is the one I would have picked but Denny G. likes a faster back than 4.6, and Barber ran in the low 4's from what I read.

Raider Bill

03-21-2005, 03:02 PM

I took Tuck, as a hedge to Burgess' rickety hamstring. So what if he's one dimensional as long as that one dimension is getting after the QB!

The 3-4 nonsense stops this season.

SoCalBronco

03-21-2005, 08:41 PM

CB Champ got great value at pick 47 with demarcus ware for houston

TheManeMan

03-21-2005, 08:46 PM

CB Champ got great value at pick 47 with demarcus ware for houston

It was a tough call...I really wanted to get a S but, didnt want to see Ware slide even more...

CBF1

03-22-2005, 05:32 PM

Hurry up and get to the Broncos picks. I want to either hate or congratulate the picks :)

SoCalBronco

03-22-2005, 08:39 PM

great pick by rich karlis for the broncos in usc DT Mike Patterson near the end of round 2. I dont think i could walk outside in public for awhile if that came true.

CBF1

03-22-2005, 11:30 PM

Nice pickup at 51. I would be happy with that pick in round 2

Ratboy

03-23-2005, 12:31 PM

Would anyone like to extend this Mock draft to a full 7 rounder with comp picks encluded? Maybe if we get enough responses we can do it.

Just say Yes if you think it would be a good idea.

Bronco LB 59

03-23-2005, 12:36 PM

Would anyone like to extend this Mock draft to a full 7 rounder with comp picks encluded? Maybe if we get enough responses we can do it.

Just say Yes if you think it would be a good idea.

Yes, I am interested in participating in a seven rounder with comp picks.

I would even be open to having an undrafted rookie free agent lottery as well.

Ratboy

03-23-2005, 12:38 PM

Yes, I am interested in participating in a seven rounder with comp picks.

I would even be open to having an undrafted rookie free agent lottery as well.

That would be pretty cool too (undrafted rookies).

If more people are intrested we'll see if we can extend this mock.

watermock

03-23-2005, 01:04 PM

BFDD

03-23-2005, 06:18 PM

I would rather start a new one. We can continue this one as well. Let's do this three rounder, then a fast 7 rounder with trades ect. including the comp picks.

If it's OK, we can have a no holes barred 7 round romp after this wraps up. Can trade future picks, make trades and conditional picks are all included. Within reason of course.

I think each team could be allowed one trade, and one future draft pick to move.

How about we have a predetermined free agency period of 2 or 3 days, where teams can do anything they want instead of limiting to one trade. Then do a first day draft in one day, and a second day draft on another day.

watermock

03-23-2005, 11:58 PM

I guess unlimited trades would be ok. I just don't feel like keeping track of it all actually.

SoCalBronco

03-24-2005, 03:17 PM

Rascal

03-24-2005, 03:18 PM

I'd take that in a heart beat.

We might need to give shanny a call and tell him to hire rich.

GaryBarnett

03-24-2005, 03:28 PM

Would anyone like to extend this Mock draft to a full 7 rounder with comp picks encluded? Maybe if we get enough responses we can do it.

Just say Yes if you think it would be a good idea.

I am game. Just let me know when. Wonder how many teams would want to keep the same teams from this Mock. I would love to have the 49ers again in your next Mock. Just let me know!! :woowoo:

Raider Bill

03-24-2005, 03:29 PM

Damn you SoCal.... I was hoping Goo Wallace would slip to Oaklands 3 spot.

Traveler

03-24-2005, 03:43 PM

darn you karlis! took my choice of bullocks. guess i'll go with a michigan double, and take Shazor.

Breck Bronc

03-24-2005, 05:02 PM

The Jets (ozo) did good getting Morency that late in the second round. I have him ranked above every RB but the two Auburn backs and Benson. Morency can take over Jordan's role in the offense and become the starter after Martin retires.

The Broncos (karlis) also did a good job. Patterson, Canty, and Bullocks would bring a lot of depth and talent to our defense.

CBF1

03-24-2005, 07:22 PM

I also like Karlis' picks, I would be real happy with those 3 for sure!!!

Arkie

03-25-2005, 06:30 AM

Why is Dan Cody slipping so much? I thought he was a first rounder.

Rascal

03-25-2005, 07:47 AM

He hasn't been picked yet?

RocBronc

03-25-2005, 08:05 AM

Canty is a little early for me... The other 2 are great picks... I'd much rather have had drafted Reggie Brown WR from Georgia. I think Canty could be there with our third round picks.

TheManeMan

03-25-2005, 04:27 PM

Thanks SoCal for keeping up with the draft, making sure things are flowing as planned...been a very busy 2 weeks for me...:thumbs:

GaryBarnett

03-26-2005, 08:46 AM

Why is Dan Cody slipping so much? I thought he was a first rounder.

Kinda wondered that myself...... ??? Not likely to happen next month, but i still had to pick the guy. If he was gone....i was leaning towards either Logan Mankins or Reggie Brown.

missingnumber7

03-26-2005, 11:04 AM

Talk about a steal at #65. Cody is gonna be a playmaker...the kid has heart and has went through so much adversity.

Crushaholic

03-26-2005, 11:38 AM

Talk about a steal at #65. Cody is gonna be a playmaker...the kid has heart and has went through so much adversity.

Several scouting reports had variations of this analysis:

- After a couple of modest seasons to begin his college football career, Dan Cody emerged as one of the nation’s best pass-rushers during the 2003 season. Cody saw action in 10 games as a reserve during his true freshman season in 2000. He quit the team shortly into the 2001 season while battling clinical depression, but rejoined the team and played in 12 games as a backup in 2002. Cody enjoyed a break-through season in 2003, registering 10 sacks and 17 tackles for loss while starting in 13 contests for the Sooners. Cody is a top pass-rusher. He shows some explosiveness and has a variety of pass-rush moves. He does a great job in using his hands, has nice speed and can turn the corner and close on the quarterback in a blink of an eye. He also is a very intelligent player who gives it all he has on every play. However, Cody lacks the ideal frame for a defensive lineman and will occasionally get pushed around in the running game. Cody will likely need to play on the weak side in a one-gap scheme to be successful at the next level. If Cody is drafted by a team that plays a two-gap scheme, he could be limited to serving in a situational pass-rusher role. Cody currently carries a round two grade.

He may not fall to #65 in real life, but I think he'll fall further than some people think or want to believe.

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-26-2005, 11:55 AM

I think you are correct. The tweener size and past problems, especially in light of the Barrett Robbins issues, are likely to put a lot of doubt in people's minds. Also the fact that he had only one good year will be another negative next to his name.

OrangeShadow

03-27-2005, 07:01 AM

cody at 65? man i didnt even expect him to be there so i didnt look :(

watermock

03-27-2005, 07:54 AM

He's a bum. They are all bums till they prove they can play at the next level.

That's why I drafted two impact players in Ronnie Brown and E. James. I am a genius.

SoCalBronco

03-27-2005, 06:25 PM

NJBil surprised me with that pick. There were two LBs i thought for sure, one of whom, would be selected by Oakland instead.

Raider Bill

03-27-2005, 06:33 PM

I wanted Goo Wallace, Kemotau (the G however you spell it) or Seward who propelled himself into a legitimate day 1 pick at the combine IMO.

Seward ran 4.56 and 4.65 on Tuesday at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, possibly bolstering him from a second-day draft selection to among the first day's top three rounds.

It wasn't just the 40 time, either. Seward (6 feet 2 inches 248 pounds) was the fastest linebacker in a pass rush drill and had a 36 1/2-inch vertical leap and 10-foot broad jump.

Seward knew of his reputation for being a high-motor player with limited physical skills, and he played off it by setting low expectations. But it was the low expectations that drove him.

Arkie

03-29-2005, 06:26 PM

He's a bum. They are all bums till they prove they can play at the next level.

That's why I drafted two impact players in Ronnie Brown and E. James. I am a genius.

Hilarious!

Hey, who was that QB Mock drafted with the 1st pick last year?

... Roethelsomethin.

Nice Pick, Cowher.

Bronco LB 59

04-01-2005, 10:45 PM

Traveler

04-01-2005, 11:31 PM

Jason Campbell to the Falcons is a little too extreme.

I believe in the mantra that you draft the best player on the board regardless of position.

However, how would the Falcons be able to showcase Jason Campbell so they could generate trade interest? Campbell would have to show a lot to garner a future 1st round pick and his snaps would be limited to garbage time in preseason games.

My thinking is that Campbell would battle with Shaub for the number two QB. If Campbell does hold his own, he or Shaub would become trade bait in a year or so, if needed. The team got lucky finding Shaub last year. Once Shaub showed what he could do in the preseason last year, many people around the league took notice. Same scenario for Campbell. Like I said before, can't pass on the value at this point in the draft.

TheManeMan

04-16-2005, 06:04 PM

Dont wanna toot my own horn but, the Houston Texans came out like champs in the 2005 Orange Mane Draft...

Round 1, pick #13
Alex Barron OT, Florida State

Round 2, pick #47
Demarcus Ware OLB/DE, Troy

Round 3, pick #73
Matt Jones WR, Arkansas

Round 3, pick #78
Bill Swancutt DE, Oregon St

Round 4, pick #114
James Sanders S, Fresno St

...who else came out like thieves in the draft?

TheManeMan

04-16-2005, 06:09 PM

The Broncos draft came out looking like this...

Round 2, pick #52
Mike Patterson DT, USC

Round 2, pick #56
Chris Canty DE, Virginia

Round 3, pick #97
Courtney Roby WR, Idiana

Round 3, pick #101
Dan Buenning OG, Wisconsin

Arkie

04-16-2005, 09:46 PM

The St. Louis Rams reloaded their O-line and improved their defense...

19. OT Khalif Barnes, Washington
50. CB Eric Green, Virginia Tech
66. DT Attiyah Ellison, Missouri
81. CB Stanley Wilson, Stanford
117. DE Jovan Haye, Vanderbilt

watermock

04-16-2005, 10:18 PM

Vikes pick up

#7 Ronnie Brown RB

#8 Erasmus James DE

Some idiot kicker from OSU named Ted Nugent round 3.

Some meathead center that apparently can bench press a locomotive.

Yes, I missed getting a WR, but Brown and James are day one starters.

I will simply put Ronnie Brown into motion he's a fine reciever and has 4.3 speed at 230. I see the Vikings running alot of two back sets this year. Once Williams and Edwards were gone, I didn't see value with the other WR's.

We picked up Taylor in FA, and can still deal a RB.

Even tho I traded up for E. James, he is the most complete DE in the draft. His ankle and hip are still a concern, but he's got all the moves to pressure the QB from the first snap.

He shouldn't have to deal with constant double teams with K-Will and Pat Williams inside, who should be able to push the pocket back...

The Vikings have now a domiant D, with James, Pat Williams, K-Will and Udeze on the front, Harris, Cowher and EJ Henderson at LB, Smoot and Winfield at corner with Brian Williams at nickle, and Sharper and Chavous at S.

Need to pick up a vet WR yet.

orangefan

04-17-2005, 04:46 AM

San Diego selected:
#12 Marcus Spears DE
#28 Troy Williamson WR
#61 Wesley Britt OT
#130 Scott Young OG

Old Dude

04-17-2005, 08:35 AM

I give myself a B- for the Colts.

#29 David Pollack, DE Georgia
#80 Domonique Foxworth, CB Maryland
#92 Eric Shelton, HB Louisville
#95 Ronald Bartell, CB Howard
#129 Jonathan Welsh, LB, Wisconsin

I couldn't pass up Pollack at 29. He should go in top 25, maybe even in top 20.
I needed cornerback help badly, but figured that the top prospects would be gone by #60, so I traded out to get two shots in the 3rd round. When the time came, Foxworth and Bartell were both available. Bartell seems to have a lot more upside, but the Colts need help fast, so I went with Foxworth, who started past 40 games at Maryland. Fortunately, Bartell was still there at #95.

I was happy to get Welsh at #129. Great athleticism and would have been higher if he wasn't such a tweener.

I had to do something about getting some depth for the RB situation, but I'm not sure Shelton was the answer.

Overall decent value picks, but I failed to address the DT spot, which is a significant need in Indy. I guess they'd have to try F/A. LOL.

watermock

04-17-2005, 11:55 AM

Shelton was a steal at 92, but he doens't have top end speed. Still, he's a beast.

TheManeMan

04-17-2005, 02:47 PM

San Diego also came out looking good...realistically they might draft Williamson with 12 if Edwards and Williams are both off the draft board...nice job orangefan...

Old Dude also had a good draft...Pollack opposite Freeney would be quite scary...I also doubt that Pollack falls that far to Indy...Like mock said, Shelton is a great pick...good job OD...

rbackfactory80

04-18-2005, 02:33 PM

I got that...and think that two good seconds is better...you'll pay less for the 2 than the one probably....but deal with mr karlis on that one...i just took what he offered me.
2 seconds is not what they need. They need an impact player who will start safety wide riceiver or nickel back.

orangefan

04-18-2005, 04:33 PM

Thanks CB, ,I thought I did pretty well for San Diego, I honestly hope they don't draft this well. It was fun as a couple of the needs positions were similar to our. DE and OL
It's hard to draft for a division opponent. I felt like giving them four more QB's. Spears
would be an awesome pick for them, a perfect fit in the 3-4. I don't think there is any way Williamson falls to 28 though. Britt I think was a good value at 61, but Young was not my first choice in round 4. I was really hoping for Jonathon Welsh only to see him go 1 pick earlier. I considered Jordan Beck, the LB from Cal-Poly but thought he was probably to small for an OLB in the 3-4. Goddard was another consideration for that spot, just thought him to be available later. Young had a great workout and their O-line
is a weakness. I considered S and CB in rounds 2 and 4. Just seemed O-line was a better value.

Arkie

04-19-2005, 01:09 AM

San Francisco (Gary Barnett) had a good draft.

1. QB Aaron Rodgers, California
33. CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan
65. DE Dan Cody, Oklahoma
102. WR Fred Gibson, Georgia

Traveler

04-19-2005, 04:35 AM

Falcons picked up

#1 David Bass- OG
#2 Ernest Shazor- S
#3 Jason Campbell- QB
#4 Ray Willis- OT

Not bad but still need WR and CB. Was split between Willis and J.R Russell at number 4. Guess those areas will be filled with second tier FA's.

broncohaven

04-19-2005, 07:16 AM

rich karlis' picks for the broncos so far have been outstanding. This would be wonderful if we could trade our first for two 2nds, and then with three seconds take patterson, canty and bullocks. Outstanding.
I disagree completely. Taking all defensive players with 3 2nd round picks? rediculous. We spent every penny of our off season money on defense, and they were the better unit to begin with.

And even if you made the mistake of addressing the defense first. Taking Patterson over Cody for the DL? Come on.

I like the Bullocks pick, but the rest are garbage. A waif of a receiver from the football powerhouse Indiana with Fred Gibson and Adrian Macpherson on the board?

If the draft went down like this I'd have to end things.