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azbroncfan
03-04-2005, 11:45 AM
With the attitude around here, here it is lets hear it! :bomb:

OBF1
03-04-2005, 11:48 AM
A little negitive arn't we Nancy?

SoCalBronco
03-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Dont blow up the whole thing but immediately strip Shanahan of all his GMing duties and find a way to void Gold's deal if you can.

azbroncfan
03-04-2005, 11:54 AM
A little negitive arn't we Nancy?
Nah, I'm not too negative because who should we or need to add that we won't overpay and will make a huge difference. We might need to step back a little and get in charge of the cap and lets move Pryce and that will help for years to come. I'm would like to go into an offseason with money to spend at some point with quality FA available. Still a lot of time till the season starts. :stuck:

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 12:10 PM
im excited.
i like the moves thus far.

i like plummer restructuring to free up money.
i like anderson coming back.
i like tatum in his second year.
i like dan "3 holding calls per game" neil being released.
i like ian gold coming back.
i like walls returning healthy.
i like warren on the d-line.
i like the idea of signing chike for alot less than hayward wouldve cost.

i like the fact that there's still PLENTY of time to address the other needs on the team.
i like the direction, and i like the way '05 is shaping up.

jake

Meck77
03-04-2005, 12:19 PM
We definetly have a pattern going here folks. Please click on the link to refresh your memory. It's becoming very apparent to me that our organization is pretty content on winning 10 or so games and remaining competetive enough to sneak into the playoffs in order to keep fans in the seats. The problem is the fans are not content with 10 wins anymore. The pressure is mounting and every season we hear more of the same thing. "We are just a few players away from making a superbowl run".

Alot of factors have to fall into place in order to make a run at the superbowl and if you look back at the talent we had then, along with the sacrifices of some of the players in terms of money, we just aren't there. I'm not hitting the panic button but it sure does seem that the Broncos have been resistant to any real change in order to get ahead.

Bottom line..........."Do what you've always done........and you'll get what you've always gotten"


http://profootballreference.com/teams/denindex.htm

long beach bronco
03-04-2005, 12:22 PM
We need to sign that big playermaker that makes a difference, and don't tell me "we don't have the money", because we didn't have it last year and still gave Champ a trillion dollars. It can be done.

football idiot
03-04-2005, 02:47 PM
which players took below-market-value deals in the 90's during our superbowl run?

I don't remember any.

which season, in the last 6 years, were we not a couple of injuries or big plays away from winning our division?

we've lost 3 playoff games. so that's not good enough. but find me one team in this league that would be favored to win a playoff game @ the 2000 Ravens or @ the Colts. the home-field advantage they get (with help from the refs) especially in a playoff game, is almost insurmountable.

the biggest thing we need is the offensive juggernaut we had in the day. and that requires the chemistry, experience, and talent we had in the SB runs. it requires a QB with the ability AND a few years in the system. it requires more than 1 or 2 starting receivers. it requires good-to-great play at the FB and TE positions (this has been a serious issue for us). and it requires a consistent pass-rush. we got lucky with old Al Williams and the ex-Chief DE (can't remember his name). but the old pass-rushers these days want 10-mill, they won't sign a sweetheart deal to play for a contender. and when they do, we end up with IHOP.

you gotta get lucky to win a superbowl. and you've got to have a pretty good team. we've been getting half of that right ever since 98.

Taco John
03-04-2005, 03:26 PM
Dont blow up the whole thing but immediately strip Shanahan of all his GMing duties and find a way to void Gold's deal if you can.



Shanahan doesn't do a whole lot of GMing... Sundquist does it. He answers to Shanahan. That isn't going to change anytime soon...

-Slap-
03-04-2005, 03:29 PM
im excited.
i like the moves thus far.

i like plummer restructuring to free up money.
i like anderson coming back.
i like tatum in his second year.
i like dan "3 holding calls per game" neil being released.
i like ian gold coming back.
i like walls returning healthy.
i like warren on the d-line.
i like the idea of signing chike for alot less than hayward wouldve cost.

i like the fact that there's still PLENTY of time to address the other needs on the team.
i like the direction, and i like the way '05 is shaping up.

jake

6-10 should be real exciting.

Nice cheap shot at Dan Neil. He gave a hell of a lot more for this team than that scrawny bitch Gold ever did.

-Slap-
03-04-2005, 03:31 PM
Shanahan doesn't do a whole lot of GMing... Sundquist does it. He answers to Shanahan. That isn't going to change anytime soon...

I think it will all change soon. 2005 will be Shanahan's last season in Denver. We're going to have our annual mid season collapse, but we're not going to start out 5-1 first.

Bronx33
03-04-2005, 03:31 PM
i like dan "3 holding calls per game" neil being released.


LMAO! isnt that the truth! it was him or lepsis with a holding call when we didnt need it.

-Slap-
03-04-2005, 03:34 PM
Yeah, Neil was a real asshole. I hate guys who play hurt and leave everything they have on the field for us.

sledgehammer
03-04-2005, 03:39 PM
Dont blow up the whole thing but immediately strip Shanahan of all his GMing duties and find a way to void Gold's deal if you can.

Shanahan is a control freak. He will never give up his GM duties.

sledgehammer
03-04-2005, 03:43 PM
I think it will all change soon. 2005 will be Shanahan's last season in Denver. We're going to have our annual mid season collapse, but we're not going to start out 5-1 first.

It will be probably be Plummer's last season in Denver as well.

Meck77
03-04-2005, 03:44 PM
which players took below-market-value deals in the 90's during our superbowl run?

I don't remember any.

which season, in the last 6 years, were we not a couple of injuries or big plays away from winning our division?

we've lost 3 playoff games. so that's not good enough. but find me one team in this league that would be favored to win a playoff game @ the 2000 Ravens or @ the Colts. the home-field advantage they get (with help from the refs) especially in a playoff game, is almost insurmountable.

the biggest thing we need is the offensive juggernaut we had in the day. and that requires the chemistry, experience, and talent we had in the SB runs. it requires a QB with the ability AND a few years in the system. it requires more than 1 or 2 starting receivers. it requires good-to-great play at the FB and TE positions (this has been a serious issue for us). and it requires a consistent pass-rush. we got lucky with old Al Williams and the ex-Chief DE (can't remember his name). but the old pass-rushers these days want 10-mill, they won't sign a sweetheart deal to play for a contender. and when they do, we end up with IHOP.

you gotta get lucky to win a superbowl. and you've got to have a pretty good team. we've been getting half of that right ever since 98.

I don't have all the contract info form the SB years but I could have sworn you had guys like Elway restructuring his contract in order to pay some talent in order to help him win a bowl. My point is instead of guys like Terrell we've had guys like Portis walking into the coaches office asking to be paid more than any other RB in the league. It's tough to get to the SB with moves like that.

I agree with you that going to the Colts two years in a row is a tough task for any team but had the regular season played out differently with a win or two either year the playoffs could have been different but the bottom line is we still are no match for the Patriots. This team is and was not 1 or 2 players away from a Superbowl winning team.

I'm not saying we can't make the superbowl but we need some serious change.

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 04:37 PM
6-10 should be real exciting.

Nice cheap shot at Dan Neil. He gave a hell of a lot more for this team than that scrawny bitch Gold ever did.

give me a friggin break slap.

you dont believe that 6-10 sh!t for a second.
as for neil, sorry pal, i just never cared for him. he was with the team for a while, and i wish him well, but im glad he's gone.

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 04:39 PM
Yeah, Neil was a real asshole. I hate guys who play hurt and leave everything they have on the field for us.

youre out of control slap.

no one said he's an "asshole".

simply that he had a long track record of holding calls at inopportune times.
care to disagree with that?

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 04:40 PM
Yeah, Neil was a real asshole. I hate guys who play hurt and leave everything they have on the field for us.

...and incidentally, if i were to suit up for the broncos, i'd do everything but DIE to help them win...

....and i'd still be frighteningly bad.

ozomulsion
03-04-2005, 04:43 PM
Dont blow up the whole thing but immediately strip Shanahan of all his GMing duties and find a way to void Gold's deal if you can.

And give Coyer a couple slaps to the back of his head for going along with it.

Taco John
03-04-2005, 04:47 PM
I think it will all change soon. 2005 will be Shanahan's last season in Denver. We're going to have our annual mid season collapse, but we're not going to start out 5-1 first.



That's the way it looks from where I'm sitting too... I've never believed Shanahan's future was tied into how Jake does. I think his future is tied into how bright the future looks at the end of the season...

Given the direction we're going, I can't say I'm too terribly optimistic.

I'm not going to predict 6-10 yet... But I'm also not going to predict 13-3.

jbiel
03-04-2005, 04:47 PM
don't forget we almost beat the patriots 2 years ago, with danny at qb and the great deltha playing cb, so we must not have been too far off. we have the athletes, just need the chemistry.

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 04:48 PM
I don't have all the contract info form the SB years but I could have sworn you had guys like Elway restructuring his contract in order to pay some talent in order to help him win a bowl. My point is instead of guys like Terrell we've had guys like Portis walking into the coaches office asking to be paid more than any other RB in the league. It's tough to get to the SB with moves like that.

I agree with you that going to the Colts two years in a row is a tough task for any team but had the regular season played out differently with a win or two either year the playoffs could have been different but the bottom line is we still are no match for the Patriots. This team is and was not 1 or 2 players away from a Superbowl winning team.

I'm not saying we can't make the superbowl but we need some serious change.

bullsh!t meck.

love ya like a brother, but bullsh!t.

the pats lucked into a win against us a couple years ago with danny kanell at the helm.
in the last two years, we've been blown out by a whopping TWO teams.
the colts (twice) and the chiefs (last years road debacle).
we lost a game at jville because of a fluke fumble.
we lost at home to oakland because the friggin stars werent aligned properly.
the defense blew an 11 point lead, watts dropped a td pass, elam had a kick blocked, and we all still have nightmares about that catch in our endzone that gave them the lead in the first place.
we lost to san diego because we came out flat, called a bad play at the goaline (or executed it poorly. take your pick), and another watts drop.

the team was a few PLAYS away from winning the division and playing at home.

indy is to us as new england is to indy.
its a bad matchup.
we wouldve competed against anyone else out there, and that includes new england.

if the team had had TWO players more last year, it MAY have been enough.
the loss of both pryce AND ellis was crippling, and we wouldve been a much different pass rushing team with those two in there.

ozomulsion
03-04-2005, 04:49 PM
don't forget we almost beat the patriots 2 years ago, with danny at qb and the great deltha playing cb, so we must not have been too far off. we have the athletes, just need the chemistry.

We lost the game so who cares?

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 04:53 PM
We lost the game so who cares?

oh come on ozo.

it makes a HUGE difference.

if we lost by 30 points, its pretty crazy to say we're close.
when you barely lose (and gave it away in fact) with your backup, its a pretty good indicator that your team isnt far away.

when you finish 6-10, you may want to question a coach saying they were close.
when you finish with back to back 10-6 seasons (with this last one being a few PLAYS away from 12-4 and division winners), its pretty clear that you ARE in fact close.

jake

Taco John
03-04-2005, 04:55 PM
Who cares what we did against the Patriots if we can't get past the Colts?

jbiel
03-04-2005, 04:55 PM
yep, and we lost reggie hayward also so i guess everyone can quit bitching about that too?

Bronx33
03-04-2005, 04:55 PM
http://www.digitalwav.net/download.asp?filename=Bitch%2Ewav

Hotrod
03-04-2005, 04:56 PM
shoulda woulda coulda mighta

ozomulsion
03-04-2005, 05:07 PM
oh come on ozo.

it makes a HUGE difference.

if we lost by 30 points, its pretty crazy to say we're close.
when you barely lose (and gave it away in fact) with your backup, its a pretty good indicator that your team isnt far away.

when you finish 6-10, you may want to question a coach saying they were close.
when you finish with back to back 10-6 seasons (with this last one being a few PLAYS away from 12-4 and division winners), its pretty clear that you ARE in fact close.

jake

Agreed. But at this point I feel it slipping away. Moving D.J. would be a travesty IMO. None of these defensive moves make sense to me . Except the Warren signing. Jake will do well ifTatum stays healthy. That won't make a damn if our D is bumfuzzled. If we flop this year Shanny has to go.

Sassy
03-04-2005, 05:20 PM
which players took below-market-value deals in the 90's during our superbowl run?

I don't remember any.

which season, in the last 6 years, were we not a couple of injuries or big plays away from winning our division?

we've lost 3 playoff games. so that's not good enough. but find me one team in this league that would be favored to win a playoff game @ the 2000 Ravens or @ the Colts. the home-field advantage they get (with help from the refs) especially in a playoff game, is almost insurmountable.

the biggest thing we need is the offensive juggernaut we had in the day. and that requires the chemistry, experience, and talent we had in the SB runs. it requires a QB with the ability AND a few years in the system. it requires more than 1 or 2 starting receivers. it requires good-to-great play at the FB and TE positions (this has been a serious issue for us). and it requires a consistent pass-rush. we got lucky with old Al Williams and the ex-Chief DE (can't remember his name). but the old pass-rushers these days want 10-mill, they won't sign a sweetheart deal to play for a contender. and when they do, we end up with IHOP.

you gotta get lucky to win a superbowl. and you've got to have a pretty good team. we've been getting half of that right ever since 98.
I think we've had the talent...just not the luck.
Every year since Elway left, we've had nasty major injuries to our top players...that keep us from making that SB run...and that includes Jake .

Meck77
03-04-2005, 05:27 PM
[QUOTE=orange 4 life]
we lost at home to oakland because the friggin stars werent aligned properly.
.[/QUOTE

I guess the stars weren't aligned for the Bengal game either? I was at that game man. That was one of the hardest losses of the season IMO. I got there the day there before the game and wore my Broncos colors. Nobody in that city thought the Bengals would win including me. Everywhere I went the locals would say "Take it easy on us".

Anyway a superbowl caliber team wouldn't have lost that game. Jake there are just two many ifs in your scenario as to why we did not win the superbowl. I'm not saying we don't have a chance next year. Hell I've been homering on since the late 70's and every year I think we have a shot at winning. :) But it's time for this team to take some chances to get us to the next level. That is my point. I think Shanny and Co have been playing it safe the last few years.

I do agree with you that it might have been different let's say if we had travelled to SD for our playoff game but I don't think we would have gotten much further than that.

orange 4 life
03-04-2005, 05:52 PM
cinci was a tough one for sure, but even in the years we DID go to the superbowls (the losses and the wins) we had a game or two that we blew. games which shouldve been easy.
remember new york in '98?
remember new england losing to MIAMI last year?

a letdown game will happen.

its winning those games like jville and oakland that are the difference between our success and failure.

its a pass rush thats the difference of how successful we can be in the playoffs.
you posted our rankings for the superbowl years and now.
did you notice that last years rankings werent that much worse?

do you doubt we couldve beaten anyone last year even WITHOUT a pass rush except indy?
indy was the one team i didnt want to see. BAD matchup problems, and on the road.
anyone else and who knows?
12-4 with home games and who knows?

bottom line pal is we're not that far away

Ratboy
03-04-2005, 05:57 PM
That Bengals Loss was probably the toughest. 90% of my family is a Bengals Fan. I heard **** every day for the whole season.

27atwater
03-04-2005, 06:07 PM
Here is what I want to see:

1- we stop chasing free agents...period

2- we draft well

3-we develop our own talent

4- we keep our talent

5- if we lose our talent, we draft and develop more talent.

The lack of a core is our problem. Any questions, see Pittsburgh...that is exactly what i want! They almost never have a good draft spot and they are always good.

DB-Freak
03-04-2005, 06:27 PM
cinci was a tough one for sure, but even in the years we DID go to the superbowls (the losses and the wins) we had a game or two that we blew. games which shouldve been easy.
remember new york in '98?
remember new england losing to MIAMI last year?

a letdown game will happen.

its winning those games like jville and oakland that are the difference between our success and failure.

its a pass rush thats the difference of how successful we can be in the playoffs.
you posted our rankings for the superbowl years and now.
did you notice that last years rankings werent that much worse?

do you doubt we couldve beaten anyone last year even WITHOUT a pass rush except indy?
indy was the one team i didnt want to see. BAD matchup problems, and on the road.
anyone else and who knows?
12-4 with home games and who knows?

bottom line pal is we're not that far away
I cant still believe you go with the luck and pass rush stuff.

The Broncos were what they were and that was it. I cant believe you bring in the superbowl teams and the let downs they had. Teams all have letdowns but they had better records and had better teams. They won games when they had to Jake. We were 10-6 and a weaker a team and far too weak.

Unless we make drastic improvements, I see us just running in the same place or digressing.

Taco John
03-04-2005, 06:31 PM
Here is what I want to see:

1- we stop chasing free agents...period

2- we draft well

3-we develop our own talent

4- we keep our talent

5- if we lose our talent, we draft and develop more talent.

The lack of a core is our problem. Any questions, see Pittsburgh...that is exactly what i want! They almost never have a good draft spot and they are always good.


Deltha Oneal. Willie Middlebrooks.

elsid13
03-04-2005, 06:36 PM
Here is what I want to see:

1- we stop chasing free agents...period

2- we draft well

3-we develop our own talent

4- we keep our talent

5- if we lose our talent, we draft and develop more talent.

The lack of a core is our problem. Any questions, see Pittsburgh...that is exactly what i want! They almost never have a good draft spot and they are always good.


Pittsburgh has how superbowls in the last 20 years? Notice the pattern in Pittsburgh: play a last place schedule get into the playoffs. Play playoff shedule next year miss the playoffs. then make the playoff the next year.

Garcia Bronco
11-17-2005, 06:20 PM
bump

Play2win
11-17-2005, 06:24 PM
Dont blow up the whole thing but immediately strip Shanahan of all his GMing duties and find a way to void Gold's deal if you can.
:wiggle:

dbroncos31
11-17-2005, 06:27 PM
i aboslutely love looking at threads like these after we start 7-2. and our draft worked out pretty well, huh?

Garcia Bronco
11-18-2005, 06:38 AM
Blow it ALL up!

azbroncfan
12-04-2006, 04:59 PM
I read through this thread and there a multiple funny and wrong predicitions. Jake 4 life was the one with the best predictions. Anyone ready to light the fuse http://www2.montana.edu/policy/student_trips/images/dynamite.jpg

Spider
12-04-2006, 05:00 PM
Just dont stand there........ KILL SOMTHING ;D

Pick Six
12-04-2006, 05:10 PM
This one from our fearless leader is pretty interesting, given that we DID go 13-3 last season...

I'm not going to predict 6-10 yet... But I'm also not going to predict 13-3.

Meck77
12-04-2006, 06:03 PM
Bottom line..........."Do what you've always done........and you'll get what you've always gotten"


http://profootballreference.com/teams/denindex.htm
Yeah but what about that statement! That's some brilliant stuff right there!;D

We keep up the play calling and piss poor play and we'll be complaining about Jay like we did Jake.

azbroncfan
12-31-2008, 09:35 AM
Lets revisit. This thread is a good one now.

http://areopagus1.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/dynamite_1.jpg

azbroncfan
01-01-2010, 05:50 PM
http://areopagus1.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/dynamite_1.jpg
MCD sucks, Marshall is a trouble maker, Royal can't get open, Orton blows, Cutler is a HOFer, Shanny is best ever, Hillis first ballot HOF, Scheffler best TE ever to suit up, Moss just has had poor coaching and they won't turn him loose, DJ is the best ever multi position LB, Alphonso Smith was an abortion, anything else? Might as well start over from the sound of thegarbage attitudes and lack of football discussion outside of bickering lets revisit. It is fitting with the finish to the season. Who wants to the fuse lit?

Bronx33
01-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Man slap loved ole dan neil didn't he...

azbroncfan
10-24-2010, 05:27 PM
It's time to break this thread out again. Giving up 59 at home to a POS team in grounds for firing. I think I might have just turned on the kid. This is a garbage team.

Spider
10-24-2010, 05:28 PM
rotten pig ****ers