Extremists applaud murder..

[enjolras]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/03/schuster.column/index.html

Of course this time it's Christian extremists... does this mean we're supposed to nuke ourselves now or something? Just goes to show that there are plenty of evil people in every religion.

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah, whatever. It's no secret that these douche bags need to be strung up by their balls and beaten with reeds years ago. The difference is.....we will get'er done. We cleaned up, and continue to clean up, our own house when it comes to these collective f!ckwads, it's when the rest of the world doesn't do the same and THEIR troublesome f!ckwads become our troublesome f*ckwads that we have to take preventative measures from letting that happen again. You can go ahead and make this response your sig line, I don't mind. :)

[Spider]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/03/schuster.column/index.html

Of course this time it's Christian extremists... does this mean we're supposed to nuke ourselves now or something? Just goes to show that there are plenty of evil people in every religion.
Now you know the real reason behind Bush's 60 day tour acrossed America , he isnt selling his S.S. plan .... he is looking for WMD ...... ;D

[RaiderH8r]

Now you know the real reason behind Bush's 60 day tour acrossed America , he isnt selling his S.S. plan .... he is looking for WMD ...... ;D
No that was Janet Reno and the ATF, if you're a gun toter, hide your stash buddy.

[Spider]

No that was Janet Reno and the ATF, if you're a gun toter, hide your stash buddy.
LOL .... or a P.R. Boy named Elian in your Closet .......
But we al know Bush is the real cowboy on a crusade here .........

[Rascal]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/03/schuster.column/index.html

Of course this time it's Christian extremists... does this mean we're supposed to nuke ourselves now or something? Just goes to show that there are plenty of evil people in every religion.

If we nuked or killed every person that cheered when 9-11 happened the middle east would be a wasteland. So you have one moronic group here and you make the same comparison...weak.

[enjolras]

How is it weak? We've listened to NUMEROUS arguments on this board about how Christianity is somehow immune to this type of thing. Yet, here we are.

I beleive that it's the economic desperation of the region, and not its religion that is the problem. By having yet another example of Christian extremists doing bad things I think it bears my point out. Folks are folks.. on the extreme side of any religion you find people who are one hand grenade away from a full blown insurgency.

[RaiderH8r]

LOL .... or a P.R. Boy named Elian in your Closet .......
But we al know Bush is the real cowboy on a crusade here .........
There isn't a soul involved with politics who isn't on a crusade of some sort. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. You have to be on a crusade to get involved, something has to get your hackles up and you have to give a damn about something. Despite LABF's vitriolic hate spewing rhetoric most involved in politics believe they are doing the right thing. He just dismisses all who disagree as corrupt collaborators in an elaborate scheme to screw up his world or ignorant country bumpkins, which is a BS dismissal of their point of view and quite honestly an offensive one.

[RaiderH8r]

How is it weak? We've listened to NUMEROUS arguments on this board about how Christianity is somehow immune to this type of thing. Yet, here we are.

I beleive that it's the economic desperation of the region, and not its religion that is the problem. By having yet another example of Christian extremists doing bad things I think it bears my point out. Folks are folks.. on the extreme side of any religion you find people who are one hand grenade away from a full blown insurgency.
No religion or organization or people is immune to moronic f!ckwads. The difference comes when the people of that society, country, organization take it upon themselves to punish those f!ckwads. When they don't, the f!cwads win and so it goes.

[Spider]

There isn't a soul involved with politics who isn't on a crusade of some sort. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. You have to be on a crusade to get involved, something has to get your hackles up and you have to give a damn about something. Despite LABF's vitriolic hate spewing rhetoric most involved in politics believe they are doing the right thing. He just dismisses all who disagree as corrupt collaborators in an elaborate scheme to screw up his world or ignorant country bumpkins, which is a BS dismissal of their point of view and quite honestly an offensive one.
LOL ..... I would agree with that , Only I would add that Bush is the one in Charge right now , so the spotlight is on his Crusade ..... When a Democrat comes into power , then we can aim the spotlight on his crusade and fire away .....

[Rascal]

LOL ..... I would agree with that , Only I would add that Bush is the one in Charge right now , so the spotlight is on his Crusade ..... When a Democrat comes into power , then we can aim the spotlight on his crusade and fire away .....

well thankfully I haven't had to take aim and fire since you guys can't seem to win an election. I'm also thankful that you guys are shooting blanks blindfolded :)

[Spider]

well thankfully I haven't had to take aim and fire since you guys can't seem to win an election. I'm also thankful that you guys are shooting blanks blindfolded :)
Well untill we do , we get to blast Right wing nut jobs that are in office ;D

[alkemical]

No religion or organization or people is immune to moronic f!ckwads. The difference comes when the people of that society, country, organization take it upon themselves to punish those f!ckwads. When they don't, the f!cwads win and so it goes.

i didn't see the religious right condemming those abortion bombers.

[Spider]

i didn't see the religious right condemming those abortion bombers.
and they wont either .............

[enjolras]

That would be the same jackasses who blamed the Tsunamis on the Swedes?

[W*GS]

Ward Churchill, now somewhat famous, has been applauding 9/11 as a justified attack on the "technocrats" (what he calls "little Eichmanns") who are responsible for the suffering of non-white people all around the world.

Yet he gets standing ovations from the loony college Leftists every time he speaks on a campus.

Why haven't the OM liberals and leftists distanced themselves from this clown?

[Spider]

Ward Churchill, now somewhat famous, has been applauding 9/11 as a justified attack on the "technocrats" (what he calls "little Eichmanns") who are responsible for the suffering of non-white people all around the world.

Yet he gets standing ovations from the loony college Leftists every time he speaks on a campus.

Why haven't the OM liberals and leftists distanced themselves from this clown?
Funny you bring him up ........ I just heard about him last night .....
Ward is a loon, Raving Lunitic , Makes Moore look like a republican , I still havent heard the entire speech , I have no desire to , but I dont know about the standing ovation he is getting @ Colleges , I think thats a bit far fetched W*GS

[W*GS]

Funny you bring him up ........ I just heard about him last night .....
Ward is a loon, Raving Lunitic , Makes Moore look like a republican , I still havent heard the entire speech , I have no desire to , but I dont know about the standing ovation he is getting @ Colleges , I think thats a bit far fetched W*GS

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/009652.html

http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/202878.shtml

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/24955.php

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050224082621966

[Spider]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/009652.html
A blog ? How do you even know this guy is reputible ? can he even count ?

http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/202878.shtml
I see a picture of a handfull of people @ the most , and a 7 minute ovation but doesnt say how many people Was the Ovation from 2 , Maybe a 1,000 ? how many ?

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/24955.php
The American Indian ..... News flash W*GS , they hate us , they have always viewed whitey as a terrorist ........

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050224082621966
Link didnt come up ..........

[W*GS]

A blog ? How do you even know this guy is reputible ? can he even count ?

He's accurate. Churchill's speech at CU was attended by about 1000 people, and they did indeed give him at least one standing ovation. C-SPAN ran this particular speech last week.

I see a picture of a handfull of people @ the most , and a 7 minute ovation but doesnt say how many people Was the Ovation from 2 , Maybe a 1,000 ? how many ?

Hundreds, at least. Since he's gained notoriety, at every speech he gives hundreds to a thousand or more show up to hear him, and he gets lots of applause - usually standing ovations too.

The American Indian ..... News flash W*GS , they hate us , they have always viewed whitey as a terrorist ........

There are questions about Churchill's claim to be a Native American as well. And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?

[Rascal]

FYI...here is that link spider

Thursday, February 24 2005 @ 08:26 AM PST
Contributed by: Admin
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Standing in front of a crowded auditorium here on Tuesday night, Ward Churchill didn't look like a professor who had received 100 death threats just a few weeks ago. That's what happened the last time he was scheduled to speak on a college campus. But this time, the four leis draped around his neck made him look more like a visiting dignitary than a treasonous professor, as he has been labeled.

Chronicle of Higher Education - web daily - February 24, 2005

Ward Churchill Gets a Warm Welcome in Speech at U. of Hawaii
By SCOTT SMALLWOOD

Honolulu

Standing in front of a crowded auditorium here on Tuesday night, Ward Churchill didn't look like a professor who had received 100 death threats just a few weeks ago. That's what happened the last time he was scheduled to speak on a college campus. But this time, the four leis draped around his neck made him look more like a visiting dignitary than a treasonous professor, as he has been labeled.

Who says people hate this man? Maybe back on the mainland they do. There, his calling victims of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center "little Eichmanns" led to a rough reception.

It was just four weeks ago that the three-year-old essay in which he made that remark sparked a national controversy, and prompted Hamilton College, in upstate New York, to cancel his planned speech. It led to thousands of negative e-mail messages, hundreds of newspaper articles, hours of talk-show ranting, and calls for his firing. More recently, Denver reporters have been investigating his Indian heritage, his scholarship, and how the professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder received tenure.

But for his first campus visit since all that happened, he traveled to the University of Hawaii-Manoa -- about as far as you can get from Hamilton College and Bill O'Reilly and still be in the United States. And out here, the people loved him.

They loved when he called the American populace "a willfully ignorant, self-deceiving public that celebrates the obliteration and carnage of others because they devalue them to the point of being not human."

They loved when he said, "White is a state of mind. It's not a gene code, by the way. You've got to choose to act white in order to be white."

And they really loved it when he said that the United States "has never had 15 minutes of its history when it was not butchering some people for its perceived interests somewhere. ... This most peace-loving country has never experienced peace."

Quaint Protests

There were, of course, some protesters. Remember, this man's words angered so many people so much that Hamilton officials feared his scheduled speech on their campus would lead to violence. Given that, the protesters here in Hawaii seemed almost quaint. They didn't chant or wave their signs. Instead they taped them to a nearby wall. One read: "Churchill Does Not Speak for Hawaii." Another said: "The 9/11 Victims Were Heroes. You're a Disgrace."

Kimberly Craven, a senior at the university and leader of the Hawaii College Republicans, helped organize the protest. She said she was opposed to bringing the professor to the campus because she believes he sympathizes with the enemy. "It seems very similar," she said, "to bringing the Japanese emperor to campus during World War II."

Among the hundreds of the supportive and the curious trying to cram into the auditorium an hour before the speech were a few who believed Mr. Churchill was, in the words of one woman, "a creep." Patty Hustace, who graduated from Hawaii, heard about the event on the radio and had to come down to voice her complaint. "He thinks the terrorists are heroes," she said.

Yet the largest problem was not those who thought he shouldn't be there; it was the hundreds of people who wanted to get in but couldn't. A young boy sat on a man's shoulders to get a better view. One man waved a sign picturing the now iconic image of a hooded Iraqi prisoner at the Abu Ghraib prison. Stuck outside the doors of the auditorium, they began chanting "move it to the steps." Inside, Ruth Hsu, an associate professor of English who helped organize the visit, kept explaining that plans for an overflow room to broadcast a video feed of the speech had fallen through.

After a Hawaiian chant opened the event, a small woman hobbled to the podium, using a walker with tennis balls on the two rear feet. Yuri Kochiyama, the 83-year-old civil-rights activist who was by Malcolm X's side when he was killed, introduced Mr. Churchill, comparing him to Malcolm X and Che Guevara and calling him a "warrior" who "speaks the truth."

Then, after a standing ovation, Mr. Churchill began his first speech on a college campus since becoming -- depending on one's point of view -- the nation's current cause célèbre of academic freedom or its foremost example of a leftist professoriate run amok.

Deadly Bureaucrats

The professor is a tall man, with an immediate presence. Wearing a navy-blue T-shirt, jeans, and a black sport coat, he spoke rapidly and passionately. His is the confident voice of someone who gives dozens of speeches every year.

He explained the origins of his essay. It was written at the suggestion of the publisher of an online journal in the 12 hours immediately after the September 11 attacks. He explained how he saw the attacks in the context of a history of U.S. aggression -- from Vietnam to the Philippines, from Wounded Knee all the way back to Dutch colonists in New Amsterdam.

And he elaborated on his reference to Adolf Eichmann, who orchestrated the transport of Jews to concentration camps under Hitler. "Eichmann," Mr. Churchill said, "symbolized the people that worked under him in his little bureau, that performed the technical functions with great proficiency of arranging the train schedules, the shipment of gas, the transshipment of gold from teeth, never stepping close enough to smell the stench of rotten death, never ever killing anyone, being perfect little bureaucrats."

And he explained again that he did not mean that everyone -- the passers-by, the children, or the janitors -- fell into that category. "Obviously, that's not who was at issue," he said. "The Eichmanns were the investment bankers, the Eichmanns were the traders, the Eichmanns were those who didn't even necessarily agree with U.S. policy in the Middle East or Southeast Asia, but embraced the system and made it function so the results would accrue."

The crowd loved it when Mr. Churchill railed against "the urinal sort of journalism." They loved when he joked about Bill O'Reilly or Paula Zahn. They laughed when he mocked Thomas Brown, a Lamar University professor who has charged that Mr. Churchill's research is fraudulent. (Mr. Churchill dismissed the claim with one sentence: "He found a footnote he disagrees with.")

When the audience got a chance to ask questions, no one talked about the controversial essay. No one questioned the "little Eichmanns" reference. One person asked him to clarify his position on the use of violence. (He said that defensive violence could be justified.) More common, though, were the questions that began with favorable comparisons between Mr. Churchill and Crazy Horse.

'I'm Going to Butcher Them in Court'

Before the final standing ovation, he argued that attempts to silence or fire him were the beginning of a widespread "purge" of the academy.

"No less than Newt Gingrich said, 'We're going to nail this guy and send the dominoes tumbling,'" Mr. Churchill said. "'And everybody who has an opinion out there and entire disciplines like ethnic studies and women's studies and cultural studies and queer studies that we don't like won't be there anymore.'"

Mr. Churchill defiantly said he would fight for his job: "If they try to deep-six my ass, I'm going to butcher them in court."

He then concluded the speech with a rousing endorsement of academic freedom. That's what the coalition of departments and professors at Manoa said they were defending when they scrambled to raise the several thousand dollars it cost to bring Mr. Churchill to Hawaii. (He was not paid an honorarium.)

"I never set out to be a poster boy of academic freedom," he said. "They selected me. And I'm going to stand on the principle. I'm going to stand on the issue because to give an inch is to give away something that we cannot afford to lose, and when I say 'we,' I mean all of us in the academy. Whatever your interest is in the academy, if you let this one go down you've lost it all."

Immediately after the speech, Mr. Churchill and his wife, Natsu Saito, left to catch an overnight flight back to Colorado. By the time the crowd cleared out of the auditorium, the protesters were long gone. One group of men outside debated theories that the World Trade Center attacks must have involved bombs, not just planes, because fuel fires alone could not have melted the steel frame of the buildings. A few students nearby agreed that Mr. Churchill had "kicked ass."

Just one sign remained. Instead of those deploring the terrible, enemy-loving professor there stood a single poster: "Collateral Damage Every Day in Iraq." Down in the right-hand corner was a color photograph of an Iraqi man cradling a dying boy.

[Spider]

He's accurate. Churchill's speech at CU was attended by about 1000 people, and they did indeed give him at least one standing ovation. C-SPAN ran this particular speech last week.
So you aretelling me that you was able t watch this speech on Cspan and count the applause ....... Ok



Hundreds, at least. Since he's gained notoriety, at every speech he gives hundreds to a thousand or more show up to hear him, and he gets lots of applause - usually standing ovations too.
So why didnt the Link you posted say that ?



There are questions about Churchill's claim to be a Native American as well. and I care about this why ?
And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?
Come on not even you can be this Naive they view it as if Whiey is stupid enough to give us his Money , we will take it , I live near Reservations and 100% Pure American Indians and I am telling you , there are still bitter ...

[W*GS]

Spider, Churchill is getting acclaim and support everywhere he goes. Period.

[Spider]

FYI...here is that link spider

Thursday, February 24 2005 @ 08:26 AM PST
Contributed by: Admin
Views: 1320
Standing in front of a crowded auditorium here on Tuesday night, Ward Churchill didn't look like a professor who had received 100 death threats just a few weeks ago. That's what happened the last time he was scheduled to speak on a college campus. But this time, the four leis draped around his neck made him look more like a visiting dignitary than a treasonous professor, as he has been labeled.

Chronicle of Higher Education - web daily - February 24, 2005

Ward Churchill Gets a Warm Welcome in Speech at U. of Hawaii
By SCOTT SMALLWOOD

Honolulu

Standing in front of a crowded auditorium here on Tuesday night, Ward Churchill didn't look like a professor who had received 100 death threats just a few weeks ago. That's what happened the last time he was scheduled to speak on a college campus. But this time, the four leis draped around his neck made him look more like a visiting dignitary than a treasonous professor, as he has been labeled.

Who says people hate this man? Maybe back on the mainland they do. There, his calling victims of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center "little Eichmanns" led to a rough reception.


Ok so people In Hawaii like him ........ Gee Rascal I forget , what the term Hawaiians use for Whitey ?
Help me out here , the Locals have a name for us white folks that isnt Jack Lord ..........

[alkemical]

i've never heard of the guy

[Spider]

Spider, Churchill is getting acclaim and support everywhere he goes. Period.
Then make your case .. so far you havent , all you have shown me is a small Group agrees with this guy .......... More then a thousand People in Boulder . I am sure of it ........

[W*GS]

Spider, Google "Ward Churchill ovation" and you'll get lots of hits.

[Spider]

i've never heard of the guy
I didnt untill last night , But according to W*GS , the guy is loved everywhere he goes .........

[Spider]

Spider, Google "Ward Churchill ovation" and you'll get lots of hits.
Lets hope the hits are better then the crap you have supplied to support your Claims .........

[Rascal]

Ok so people In Hawaii like him ........ Gee Rascal I forget , what the term Hawaiians use for Whitey ?
Help me out here , the Locals have a name for us white folks that isnt Jack Lord ..........

I was just posting the article since you said you couldn't get it, I didn't say if I read it or even agreed with it.

Just doing a public service.

[Spider]

Link 1
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/education/4176347/detail.html
Link 2 a thousand in Boulder http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4179174/detail.html
So far W*GS not looking good for you ..... But now I know where the Blogger got the # of a thousand ......
Link#4 on the list http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3534140,00.html
Well so much for the Churchhill gets a standing Ovation everywhere he goes theory ......

[W*GS]

Lets hope the hits are better then the crap you have supplied to support your Claims .........

My claims aren't crap.

On every campus Churchill has given his hate speech, he gets 100s or 1000s to show up, and they worship the guy.

I'm in Boulder, about 5 miles from his homebase, and he's been getting a lot of local press - newspapers and TV.

[W*GS]

Link#4 on the list http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3534140,00.html
Well so much for the Churchhill gets a standing Ovation everywhere he goes theory ......

From the RMN article:

"I'm not backing off an inch. I owe no one an apology," he said, during his highly anticipated speech, which was advertised to be one hour but ran just about 35 minutes.

That was just one of many lines to win a standing ovation from many in the crowd."

[Spider]

I was just posting the article since you said you couldn't get it, I didn't say if I read it or even agreed with it.

Just doing a public service.
;D all I am doing is pointing out that this So called loved everywhere and all by the Left claim that W*GS made , is false ...... so far Churchill biggest crowd has Been a 1,000 in Boulder ( and ask anyone in Colo about Boulder } and not everyone In the crowd supports Churchill ..... I think W*GS over stated to try and prove a point

[alkemical]

well it could be wags blogger isn't objective enough, since he doesn't weigh in on what the media reports :) j/k wagsie

[Spider]

From the RMN article:

"I'm not backing off an inch. I owe no one an apology," he said, during his highly anticipated speech, which was advertised to be one hour but ran just about 35 minutes.

That was just one of many lines to win a standing ovation from many in the crowd."
Again Many , and there was only a 1,000 People there and not all of the thousand supported Churchill ......... 1,000 People isnt a Huge following , Hell Jim Jones did better then that and he killed all of his followers ........

[W*GS]

all I am doing is pointing out that this So called loved everywhere and all by the Left claim that W*GS made , is false ......

This is what I said:

"Ward Churchill, now somewhat famous, has been applauding 9/11 as a justified attack on the "technocrats" (what he calls "little Eichmanns") who are responsible for the suffering of non-white people all around the world.

Yet he gets standing ovations from the loony college Leftists every time he speaks on a campus.

Why haven't the OM liberals and leftists distanced themselves from this clown?"

I didn't say "loved everywhere and all by the Left".

so far Churchill biggest crowd has Been a 1,000 in Boulder ( and ask anyone in Colo about Boulder } and not everyone In the crowd supports Churchill ..... I think W*GS over stated to try and prove a point

Sigh. A 1000 people, almost all of whom gave Churchill a standing ovation, isn't significant? Why not?

[Spider]

This is what I said:

"Ward Churchill, now somewhat famous, has been applauding 9/11 as a justified attack on the "technocrats" (what he calls "little Eichmanns") who are responsible for the suffering of non-white people all around the world.

Yet he gets standing ovations from the loony college Leftists every time he speaks on a campus.

Why haven't the OM liberals and leftists distanced themselves from this clown?"

I didn't say "loved everywhere and all by the Left".



Sigh. A 1000 people, almost all of whom gave Churchill a standing ovation, isn't significant? Why not?

so far 1 College and it is in Boulder Colo , more then a 1,000 Looney Democrats there ......... I guess the Problem is , what you mean by Looney Democrats now dont it ..... even you have to admit Looney is a broad stroke , Judging from your Post with LABF , everyone on the Left is a loon ..... Like I said W*Gs , you over stated to support your position .......

[W*GS]

Again Many , and there was only a 1,000 People there and not all of the thousand supported Churchill ......... 1,000 People isnt a Huge following ,

How many white separatists could get a crowd of 1000 people together for one of them to give a speech in which they wouldn't be outnumbered at least 10:1?

Why does Churchill get even 10 people at his speeches?

[Spider]

Look at this way W*GS ( suprised I have to teach you this I thought you was Smart ) Enjorles titled this thread Extremist applaud Murder ....... Telling me that a small faction agreed ....... Not the Loony Right wing , you on the other hand didnt do this ......you labled Loonly Left ....... See the difference ?

[alkemical]

How many white separatists could get a crowd of 1000 people together for one of them to give a speech in which they wouldn't be outnumbered at least 10:1?

Why does Churchill get even 10 people at his speeches?

i think there can be a white power speech of easy 1000 people

[Rascal]

how do you get small fraction from extremists right? Just out of curiousity?

Is that the same as saying extremists left?

I'm not arguing here just curious.

[Spider]

How many white separatists could get a crowd of 1000 people together for one of them to give a speech in which they wouldn't be outnumbered at least 10:1?
Dont know , dont care I dont care to hear what a white separatist has to say .... Nor would i give them the pleasure of listing to the swill they Peddal

Why does Churchill get even 10 people at his speeches?
Why did Jim Jones get people to commit suicide ?
Why do People follow Religion ?
Why do go through the express checkout line with more then 15 items ?

[Spider]

how do you get small fraction from extremists right? Just out of curiousity?

Is that the same as saying extremists left?

I'm not arguing here just curious.
exact same , exteremist are just that extreme , most People of either Party will be more to the center , then someone who is extreme .......

[Rascal]

exact same , exteremist are just that extreme , most People of either Party will be more to the center , then someone who is extreme .......

And they don't reflect the beliefs or rationale of the group as a whole correct?

[Spider]

And they don't reflect the beliefs or rationale of the group as a whole correct?
to a point , I would agree ........for example , someone can be Pro life , but doesnt go out and bomb an abortion Clinic , or someone can be Pro Choice , but doesnt go out and have an Abortion out of boredom ..........

[W*GS]

so far 1 College and it is in Boulder Colo , more then a 1,000 Looney Democrats there ......... I guess the Problem is , what you mean by Looney Democrats now dont it ..... even you have to admit Looney is a broad stroke , Judging from your Post with LABF , everyone on the Left is a loon ..... Like I said W*Gs , you over stated to support your position .......

The loonies on the Left are the ones who go to Churchill's speeches and give him standing ovations.

There are at least 1000 in Boulder, and hundreds elsewhere. They tend to congregate on college campuses.

[Rascal]

to a point , I would agree ........for example , someone can be Pro life , but doesnt go out and bomb an abortion Clinic , or someone can be Pro Choice , but doesnt go out and have an Abortion out of boredom ..........

so extremists and moderates within a party can have the same ideas (pro-choice or pro-life as you mentioned), but extremists act on those ideas to the "extreme" often to the detriment of others.

[W*GS]

i think there can be a white power speech of easy 1000 people

With at least 10000 protesting.

Everywhere Churchill has been, he gets token opposition - a few dozen at most.

[Spider]

The loonies on the Left are the ones who go to Churchill's speeches and give him standing ovations.
LOL ..... Those that do are so far left , they even had talk of one time that Democrats were t oconserivitive and wanted to start a new party .......

There are at least 1000 in Boulder, and hundreds elsewhere. They tend to congregate on college campuses.
That is beacuse they are shielded , they dont have ot face the real world , where their Views fail ..........

[Spider]

so extremists and moderates within a party can have the same ideas (pro-choice or pro-life as you mentioned), but extremists act on those ideas to the "extreme" often to the detriment of others.
thats pretty much it ......

[alkemical]

With at least 10000 protesting.

Everywhere Churchill has been, he gets token opposition - a few dozen at most.


maybe, most far-right-wingers haven't heard of him yet.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If we nuked or killed every person that cheered when 9-11 happened the middle east would be a wasteland.

So would the bush WH.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, whatever. It's no secret that these douche bags need to be strung up by their balls and beaten with reeds years ago. The difference is.....we will get'er done. We cleaned up, and continue to clean up, our own house when it comes to these collective f!ckwads, it's when the rest of the world doesn't do the same and THEIR troublesome f!ckwads become our troublesome f*ckwads that we have to take preventative measures from letting that happen again. You can go ahead and make this response your sig line, I don't mind. :)

http://www.bartcop.com/haterade.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?

More racist generalizations from the "I am the NRA" bumpkin.

BTW, I'm only vaguely familiar with Ward Churchill, but is it true that he "applauded" 9/11 as you claim?

Could you provide a link?

[W*GS]

More racist generalizations from the "I am the NRA" bumpkin.

There are a great many Native Americans who earn their livelihood via casinos located on their land. I didn't say all Native Americans were part of the casino business - nor is the casino business seedy or sleazy a priori.

But, you'll always jerk your knee.

BTW, I'm only vaguely familiar with Ward Churchill, but is it true that he "applauded" 9/11 as you claim?

Could you provide a link?

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html

He's right up your alley politics-wise and rhetoric-wise, LABF.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I didn't say all Native Americans were part of the casino business - nor is the casino business seedy or sleazy a priori.

:bs:

That is exactly what you implied here:

And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?


He's right up your alley politics-wise and rhetoric-wise, LABF.

Another example of your duplicity.

You broad-brush Churchill as an extremist when, in fact, he makes some valid points about how terrorism is fueled by American mid-east policy (even if you don't accept all of his conclusions.)

Anyone who deviates from your "slap a 'support the troops' ribbon on your mini-van, shut up, and don't question Bush" mindset might as well be Emmanuel Goldstien, huh W*GS?

[W*GS]

That is exactly what you implied here

Wrong.

You broad-brush Churchill as an extremist when, in fact, he makes some valid points about how terrorism is fueled by American mid-east policy (even if you don't accept all of his conclusions.)

Churchill is an extremist - he calls the US a "fascist state" (gee, from whom have I read that here on the OM?) and he advocates the violent overthrow of not just the government, but the entire system.

There are many causes of terrorism; the US' Middle East policy isn't as strong a factor as some allege. The governments of the Middle East use the US as a convenient boogeyman for the frustrations of their own people, to deflect them from the real causes of their misery - their corrupt governments and their dicatorial leaders.

Anyone who deviates from your "slap a 'support the troops' ribbon on your mini-van, shut up, and don't question Bush" mindset might as well be Emmanuel Goldstien, huh W*GS?

When have I ever said or implied "shut up, don't question Bush"? I merely claim that Bush is no more incompetent than the average politician. I know you think he's the absolute worst and most evil President we've ever had, but then you're off in la-la-land.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wrong.

How so?


Churchill is an extremist - he calls the US a "fascist state"

Any reading of any description of the characteristics of fascism would vindicate him to some extent.

Only blind 'patriots' refuse to acknowledge this.

Too bad so many people like you are too complacent and too firmly in denial to see what your country is becoming.


...and he advocates the violent overthrow of not just the government, but the entire system.

Wouldn't that place him in the same company as your pal Koresh?

...the US' Middle East policy isn't as strong a factor as some allege.

According to what metric?

When have I ever said or implied "shut up, don't question Bush"?

With almost every keystroke.

Ask anyone who has ever criticized bush on this forum.


I merely claim that Bush is no more incompetent than the average politician.

And the facts are not even close to being on your side.

(Which, BTW, is probably the main reason you are so regularly "mistaken" for a bush supporter.)


I know you think he's the absolute worst and most evil President we've ever had, but then you're off in la-la-land.

It's not a matter of what I "think" - the facts and the record speak for themselves.

If you can't hear them, then you are the one who is living in "la-la land."

[W*GS]

How so?

What I actually said and your penchant for declaring "racist" whenever the mood strikes you - to deflect from the point being made.

Any reading of any description of the characteristics of fascism would vindicate him to some extent.

Only blind 'patriots' refuse to acknowledge this.

Only clowns like you and Churchill use "fascism" so lightly and in doing so, denigrate its true meaning. It makes it easier for you to toss around words like "fascism" and "racist", because you seem to think it's some sort of final word, and is useful as a tool to deflect the discussion and to put your opponents on the defensive. Sorry, no sale.

Wouldn't that place him in the same company as your pal Koresh?

Koresh was never my "pal", just as McVeigh never was.

Another instance of name-calling on your part.

Strange how you so readily justify immolating children. Why?

According to what metric?

As I explained, the roots of terrorism lie far more with the corrupt governments that foment it, directly and indirectly, than US foreign policy in the Middle East. What other nation has tried, for so long, to work out some sort of peace between Israelis and Palestinians?

Ask anyone who has ever criticized bush on this forum.

How many times have I told you to "shut up"? ZERO. Indeed, I asked TJ not to ban you.

You're confusing me with those who have a censorious bent - yourself, for example.

And the facts are not even close to being on your side.

Mainly because your idea of "facts" includes things like blaming Bush for stubbing your toe, flies landing on the potato salad at the picnic, and the heartbreak of psoriasis.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What I actually said and your penchant for declaring "racist" whenever the mood strikes you - to deflect from the point being made.

:bs:

You made a racist statement and I busted you on it.

Show me how my observation about your statement is wrong.

Here it is again:

And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?

Only clowns like you and Churchill use "fascism" so lightly and in doing so, denigrate its true meaning. It makes it easier for you to toss around words like "fascism" and "racist", because you seem to think it's some sort of final word, and is useful as a tool to deflect the discussion and to put your opponents on the defensive. Sorry, no sale.

Why do people like W*GS seem to believe they are in sole possession of the "true" meaning of "fascism?"

Once again - look at any description of the defining characteristics of fascism and you'll see BushCo represented quite clearly.

Koresh was never my "pal"

In the same sense that bush was never your pal, I suppose?

You defend Koresh fanatically everytime his name comes up.

Another instance of name-calling on your part.

???

What name did I call you? Quotes please.

Meanwhile, here is an actual example of name-calling:

Only clowns like you...

Strange how you so readily justify immolating children. Why?

I did no such thing. I merely argued that your pal Koresh was, first and foremost, responsible.

Distinctions - they are a bitch, eh?


As I explained, the roots of terrorism lie far more with the corrupt governments that foment it, directly and indirectly, than US foreign policy in the Middle East.

Actually, this is what you said:

the US' Middle East policy isn't as strong a factor as some allege.

Then I asked what metric you used to justify this claim.

You (surprise) didn't have an answer.

How many times have I told you to "shut up"? ZERO.

But that's not what I claimed.

Let's recap:

You asked the following question:


When have I ever said or implied "shut up, don't question Bush"?

My answer: "With every keystroke."

BTW, note the emphasis on the word "implied."

Mainly because your idea of "facts" includes things like blaming Bush for stubbing your toe, flies landing on the potato salad at the picnic, and the heartbreak of psoriasis.

Now you're just venturing off into la-la land.

[W*GS]

You made a racist statement and I busted you on it. Show me how my observation about your statement is wrong.

There's nothing "racist" about the relationship between Native Americans and casinos.

You're so quick to use the term - why don't you let Spider justify his comments about Native Americans?

Why do people like W*GS seem to believe they are in sole possession of the "true" meaning of "fascism?"

Because I know what the term means and people like you who toss it around for effect, and nothing more, demean it by using it that way. Just like you toss in "racist" - as some sort of grenade. No sale.

Once again - look at any description of the defining characteristics of fascism and you'll see BushCo represented quite clearly.

Prove it. Show me how the US, since Bush has taken office, has become fascist.

You defend Koresh fanatically everytime his name comes up.

I don't defend Koresh. I don't attribute the entire tragedy of Waco to him alone - which is something you've never understood. Have you read "No More Wacos" yet? Since it's clear you haven't, your ignorance of the entire event is really quite shameful - but that doesn't keep you from passing judgment on those of us in possession of the facts and whose opinions are based on those facts.

What name did I call you? Quotes please.

Calling me a "pal" of Koresh.

What of my ideology (supposing you understand it - you've never passed that test) is in common with Koresh's?

I did no such thing. I merely argued that your pal Koresh was, first and foremost, responsible.

This argument arises from ignorance. I should forgive you for that, but in reality, it's no excuse, especially when you smear me despite it.

Then I asked what metric you used to justify this claim. You (surprise) didn't have an answer.

I've mentioned the more-foundational causes of the problems of the Middle East - twice.

My answer: "With every keystroke."

You interpret any disagreement with your takes as saying (or implying) "shut up, don't question Bush"?

Wow - only your views are legitimate, then? All I ask is that you provide factual proof of your claims - which you rarely do. No, a bartcop bitmap is not proof, nor is more overblown rhetoric from the Bush-haters.

Have you read more of Churchill's material? You do realize he advocates the violent overthrow of not just the US government, but the entire system, don't you? At the moment, he's the poster boy for the hateful Left. I suggest you get a new one ASAP.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There's nothing "racist" about the relationship between Native Americans and casinos.

But you didn't merely "note the relationship" between Native Americans and casinos.

You suggested that the way Native Americans view whites is dictated by the casino business.


Because I know what the term means and people like you who toss it around for effect, and nothing more, demean it by using it that way. Just like you toss in "racist" - as some sort of grenade. No sale.

It's quite obvious you don't have a clue what fascism is - otherwise you would be aware of extent to which, thanks to the bush junta, its defining characteristics are ascendent in your own back yard.

Prove it. Show me how the US, since Bush has taken office, has become fascist.

This should provide you with a few clues:

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Source:

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

I don't defend Koresh. I don't attribute the entire tragedy of Waco to him alone - which is something you've never understood.

I've never seen you assign responsibility or accountability to Koresh - not once.

On the contrary, the only party you have ever blamed here is (surprise) the Clinton administation.


What of my ideology (supposing you understand it - you've never passed that test) is in common with Koresh's?

Your avatar should be your first clue.

And understanding your ideology couldn't be easier - all that is necessary is a basic familiarity with Fox News and "The Economist."

I've mentioned the more-foundational causes of the problems of the Middle East - twice.

But that's not what I asked.

I asked you to identify the metric that validated your claim that American foreign policy in the region was a lesser causal condition that the "foundational" causes you listed.

You interpret any disagreement with your takes as saying (or implying) "shut up, don't question Bush"?

No - it's not your disagreement with my takes that defines you.

What defines you is the common motivic thread which runs through all of your responses to any criticism of Smirk and his policies by anyone on this forum, viz., your view that said criticisms are either invalid or, at best, highly exaggerated - in spite of the facts.

This is the exact same sort of behavior we've come to expect from Smirk's most hardcore apologists and supporters.

No, a bartcop bitmap is not proof...

Another desperate exaggeration/distortion on your part.

Anyone who can read can see my sources.


Have you read more of Churchill's material?

No, I haven't. I've only seen an interview with Churchill on cable news. He made some valid points re: how America's interventionist mid-east policy fuels terrorism - but in your zeal to proclaim him the next Emmanuel Goldstien, I'm sure these points were completely lost on you.


At the moment, he's the poster boy for the hateful Left. I suggest you get a new one ASAP.

Another hypocritical statement coming from someone who is clearly quite cozy with the hateful Right.

BTW, you've already made it clear that anyone who criticizes either bush or right-wing ideology in general is, according to your definition, a member of the "hateful Left."

[W*GS]

You suggested that the way Native Americans view whites is dictated by the casino business.

"Dictated"? You're inserting things into my comments that aren't there.

It's quite obvious you don't have a clue what fascism is - otherwise you would be aware of extent to which, thanks to the bush junta, its defining characteristics are ascendent in your own back yard.

Read "The Ominous Parallels" by Peikoff.

This should provide you with a few clues.[...]

I've seen this laundry list before - and I'm not impressed as to its relevancy to the US today.

I've never seen you assign responsibility or accountability to Koresh - not once.

Because you're not reading what I write.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=546233&postcount=52

Your avatar should be your first clue.

Even Spider understands the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. Do you?

Why not my signature too?

And understanding your ideology couldn't be easier - all that is necessary is a basic familiarity with Fox News and "The Economist."

And Rand, and Hayek, and von Mises, and Friedman, and Marx, and Jefferson, and Lincoln, and Clinton, and FDR, and Adams, and Franklin, and Rawls, and Nozick, and Buddha, and Muhammad, and Jesus, and others.

Your ideology fits comfortably on a bumper sticker.

I asked you to identify the metric that validated your claim that American foreign policy in the region was a lesser causal condition that the "foundational" causes you listed.

Arabs have been unhappy for a long time - longer than their perception that the US's Middle East policies are wrong.

No - it's not your disagreement with my takes that defines you.

What defines you is the common motivic thread which runs through all of your responses to any criticism of Smirk and his policies by anyone on this forum, viz., your view that said criticisms are either invalid or, at best, highly exaggerated - in spite of the facts.

I've criticized Bush on any number of occassions on any number of issues. You overlook those because you need me to be your "Bush apologist", and anything I write that doesn't meet the standard above is ignored.

No, I haven't. I've only seen an interview with Churchill on cable news.

Pity. You ought to read more, instead of spending so much time in front of the idiot box.

BTW, you've already made it clear that anyone who criticizes either bush or right-wing ideology in general is, according to your definition, a member of the "hateful Left."

I am a member of the "hateful Left" then.

Read Churchill. Note that he blames the US for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children during the period of sanctions - thus most of those deaths occurred during Clinton's watch. He probably views Clinton as part of the fascist machine anyway.

You still a "Clinton Democrat", or a "Churchillian Nutcase"? For the past couple years, you're leaning to the latter.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Dictated"? You're inserting things into my comments that aren't there.

:bs:

Here is your comment again:

And no, not all Native Americans hate us, or claim all whites are terrorists. How good would it be for casino business if they did?


Your clearly imply that Native Americans' views of whites are determined by the casino business.

I've seen this laundry list before - and I'm not impressed as to its relevancy to the US today.

Then you are simply in denial.

The correspondances to Bush's America couldn't be more obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

Your ideology fits comfortably on a bumper sticker.

Another non-refutation.

You ought to read more, instead of spending so much time in front of the idiot box.

This from a guy whose only 'news' sources are Fox News and The Economist?

That's rich. :laugh:

Read Churchill. Note that he blames the US for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children during the period of sanctions - thus most of those deaths occurred during Clinton's watch.

If this is what he alleges, then his work should provide you with lots of stroke fodder.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"60 Minutes" videotapes secret "Torture Jet" used to fly prisoners to brutal countries for torture, under an order Bush himself signed in 2001. This is all out there, so why is he still in office?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12465791%255E1702,00.html

[RaiderH8r]

"60 Minutes" videotapes secret "Torture Jet" used to fly prisoners to brutal countries for torture, under an order Bush himself signed in 2001. This is all out there, so why is he still in office?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12465791%255E1702,00.html
But Dan Rather's sitting on this story for his big farewell.

[MLB]

"60 Minutes" videotapes secret "Torture Jet" used to fly prisoners to brutal countries for torture, under an order Bush himself signed in 2001. This is all out there, so why is he still in office?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12465791%255E1702,00.html

"The option of not doing something is extraordinarily dangerous to the American people," says Michael Scheuer, who until three months ago was a senior CIA official in the counterterrorist center. Scheuer created the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit and helped set up the rendition program during the Clinton administration.

"Basically, the National Security Council gave us the mission, take down these cells, dismantle them and take people off the streets so they can't kill Americans," says Scheuer. "They just didn't give us anywhere to take the people after we captured."

So the CIA started taking suspects to Egypt and Jordan. Scheuer says renditions were authorized by Clinton's National Security Council and officials in Congress - and all understood what it meant to send suspects to those countries.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/04/60minutes/main678155.shtml

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But Dan Rather's sitting on this story for his big farewell.

Nah - he's probably going to let your boy Jeff Gannon have it. :laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Basically, the National Security Council gave us the mission, take down these cells, dismantle them and take people off the streets so they can't kill Americans," says Scheuer.

I don't think too many Americans - left or right - disagree with this objective.

However, how does this justify torture?

[RaiderH8r]

Nah - he's probably going to let your boy Jeff Gannon have it. :laugh:
Weak response.....so very weak. How do your homophobic insults jibe with your party's platform on Gay marriage?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Weak response.....so very weak. How do your homophobic insults jibe with your party's platform on Gay marriage?

What homophobic insults?

Where did I bash Gannon's sexual orientation?

That's what I thought - you're just pulling this out of your ass.

BTW, how does the fact that a gay hooker has special access to the West Wing jibe with your party's position on gay marriage?

That's the real question.

[MLB]

BTW, how does the fact that a gay hooker has special access to the West Wing jibe with your party's position on gay marriage?

That's the real question.

Maybe he's one of those Log Cabin Republicans.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Maybe he's one of those Log Cabin Republicans.

Who? RaiderH8r?

I'll buy that. :D

[Spider]

"

Even Spider understands the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. Do you?


Even Spider huh ;D ?
Yeah Ole spider does love a good hunting Rifle ( had a sweet 250 Savage Rifle ) , and has been known to use a 12 Gauge 3 inch Mag full Choke pump action to hunt Ducks ( Decoys ;D ) geese , and even used Black powder muzzle loads to shoot parie dogs .....
And I do like Handguns , I had a perfectly balanced smith and Wesson 6 inch .357 mag , Sweet shooting gun , and the reasons I dont own a gun now is cause I have small children , and I am gettig pretty handy with a compound bow .......
But what Spider doesnt understand is the need for fully automatic assualt Rilfes for Civilians :kiddingme .......
I love the 2 nd Amendment , What I dont like is idiots with Guns .....Hunting is a good sport ( and dont give me any crap about no sport , when you watch an Animal starve to death , you look @ Hunting differently ) and Hunting is a hard sport , takes patience , endurence , and intelligence ........

[MLB]

Spider, I can understand you not wanting guns with little ones around. Get yourself a good quality safe and fill it with the guns you just mentioned.

As far as civilians owning full auto weapons, they are illegal unless you have a Class III FFL.

I too enjoy shooting sports, whether it be deer hunting, dove hunting, or just plinking cans with a .22.

[Spider]

Spider, I can understand you not wanting guns with little ones around. Get yourself a good quality safe and fill it with the guns you just mentioned.
Dont tell me what the F*ck to do ...... If I want a gun safe , I am damn capable of making that Choice myself .........

As far as civilians owning full auto weapons, they are illegal unless you have a Class III FFL.
Thanks to a democrat .....

I too enjoy shooting sports, whether it be deer hunting, dove hunting, or just plinking cans with a .22.
it is a blast , last time I shot a .22 I was 12 years old

[MLB]

Dont tell me what the F*ck to do ...... If I want a gun safe , I am damn capable of making that Choice myself .........







Dude, lighten up, I was just making a suggestion. No need for profanity.

[Spider]

I dont mean to come off so Harsh MLB , but that Pisses me off , My father had a Gun safe , I know all about them , I made the choice not to have Guns around small children , that is my decision , But damn if a Republican isnt telling what to do again ......
See , if someone else would have said I have guns and Kids , I would have thought to myself , it is his house , he pays his bills , I have no say in what he decides , on how to run his house

[Spider]

When my kids are old enough I wil teach them about Guns , like my father did for me , but I will decide when they are mature enough .......

[MLB]

But damn if a Republican isnt telling what to do again ......


Sorry man, but I aint no Repub.

[MLB]

You know what Spider, after reading your last few posts, maybe it's a good idea that you don't have any guns...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Speaking of guns...

NRA Threatens Americans Because They Support Laws Allowing Terrorists to Buy Guns

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/national/08terror.html?ei=5070&en=cbda603aa96c6a34&ex=1110862800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1110254459-e2z+O382FvWfPR2X6q8XWA

[alkemical]

Doesn't matter if there's a law or not about guns, criminals DON'T FOLLOW LAWS

[Spider]

You know what Spider, after reading your last few posts, maybe it's a good idea that you don't have any guns...
LOL .... Yeah I am funny that way , someone starts telling me how to run my house , I shut em down fast , Just be thankfull you wasnt in my living room ....

[Spider]

Sorry man, but I aint no Repub.
That remains to be seen

[Rascal]

Spider...get a safe to put your guns in




















3
2
1
We have ignition!!

[Spider]

Spider...get a safe to put your guns in




















3
2
1
We have ignition!!

and you get an orginal Idea ......... you know somthing someone hasnt already done

[Rascal]

and you get an orginal Idea ......... you know somthing someone hasnt already done


whatever spider. Your panties are twisted so bad you can't see a joke when it slaps you in the face.

[Spider]

whatever spider. Your panties are twisted so bad you can't see a joke when it slaps you in the face.
Leave my Panties out of this ......I have been Raw the last couple of Days , my Dad has had an ongoing battle over the last few months , he has lost 90% of his Pancrease , and his Gall Bladder , now he has another infection in his pancrease , so I am not Jovial , Social , or a nice guy .......

[RaiderH8r]

Who? RaiderH8r?

I'll buy that. :D
I believe the reference is to Gannon, but making a feeble attempt at an insult by calling into question my sexual orientation is yet another classy move on your part. Again I ask the question, how do your homophobic insults jibe with your party's position on gay marriage? What's your position?

[alkemical]

i'm a lesbian

[Rascal]

I believe the reference is to Gannon, but making a feeble attempt at an insult by calling into question my sexual orientation is yet another classy move on your part. Again I ask the question, how do your homophobic insults jibe with your party's position on gay marriage? What's your position?

And you were expecting LABF to be classy?

LOL!!

[W*GS]

Speaking of guns...

NRA Threatens Americans Because They Support Laws Allowing Terrorists to Buy Guns

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/08/national/08terror.html?ei=5070&en=cbda603aa96c6a34&ex=1110862800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1110254459-e2z+O382FvWfPR2X6q8XWA

The title of the article is actually "Terror Suspects Buying Firearms, U.S. Report Finds", not what LABF notes above.

This is another instance of the tension between liberty and safety. The government has no right or power to keep gun purchase records indefinitely, yet that can impact law enforcement ability to track down and prosecute terrorists - and garden-variety criminals as well.

This is no different than those of who oppose a National ID card on privacy grounds - but it would make tracking and finding bad guys easier.

In any case, LABF misses the point.

Care to debate the NRA with me, LABF?

[alkemical]

The title of the article is actually "Terror Suspects Buying Firearms, U.S. Report Finds", not what LABF notes above.

This is another instance of the tension between liberty and safety. The government has no right or power to keep gun purchase records indefinitely, yet that can impact law enforcement ability to track down and prosecute terrorists - and garden-variety criminals as well.

This is no different than those of who oppose a National ID card on privacy grounds - but it would make tracking and finding bad guys easier.

In any case, LABF misses the point.

Care to debate the NRA with me, LABF?


Wags, i'm not in favor of a nat'l ID, and not just for 'right to privacy'. I think that creating one ID will make it easier to forge ID's.

[errand]

How is it weak? We've listened to NUMEROUS arguments on this board about how Christianity is somehow immune to this type of thing. Yet, here we are.

I beleive that it's the economic desperation of the region, and not its religion that is the problem. By having yet another example of Christian extremists doing bad things I think it bears my point out. Folks are folks.. on the extreme side of any religion you find people who are one hand grenade away from a full blown insurgency.

No, actually what we've heard on here alot is you always pointing out anything the Christians do wrong, but continue to give Islam a pass.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I believe the reference is to Gannon, but making a feeble attempt at an insult by calling into question my sexual orientation is yet another classy move on your part. Again I ask the question, how do your homophobic insults jibe with your party's position on gay marriage? What's your position?

:bs:

How does merely noting a person's sexual orientation constitute a "homophobic insult?"

By your logic, merely noting that a person is Chinese would be a racist insult.

The real question is "how does the Gannon affair jibe with your party's position on gay marriage?"

The dry drunk, in great measure, owes his '04 "victory" to your party's attack on gay marriage.

How does this fact jibe with the presence of a gay prostitute w/ bogus journalism credentials who got special access to Dim Son and the WH?

Are you so entrenched in denial that you don't see the hypocrisy?

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/S-FriendsDon'tVR-2.jpg

[Conquistadita]

The loonies on the Left are the ones who go to Churchill's speeches and give him standing ovations.

There are at least 1000 in Boulder, and hundreds elsewhere. They tend to congregate on college campuses.

And here we find the rare leftern loon in its natural habitat: the quadrangle. The leftern loon is a viscious beast and should be approached with caution. Do not make any sudden motions while in its presence. It tends to stay in large herds.

Seriously, though, I've never heard of the guy. I don't think he represents anyone except other crazies. :kiddingme

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And here we find the rare leftern loon in its natural habitat: the quadrangle. The leftern loon is a viscious beast and should be approached with caution.

This from some Kool-Aid drinking supporter of the same thug administration that lied America into a war in Iraq which has killed >1500 American soldiers and >100,000 civilians?

This comment would be funny if it wasn't so willfully ignorant and woefully misinformed.

[Conquistadita]

This from some Kool-Aid drinking supporter of the same thug administration that lied America into a war in Iraq which has killed >1500 American soldiers and >100,000 civilians?

This comment would be funny if it wasn't so willfully ignorant and woefully misinformed.

Um I'm a Democrat, and that was deliberate misinformation. ???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Um I'm a Democrat, and that was deliberate misinformation. ???

My bad - it appeared that your comments were directed at those on the left.

[Conquistadita]

My bad - it appeared that your comments were directed at those on the left.

Well I was trying to make fun of the way W*GS sounded a bit like one of those animal shows, but I didn't do a very good job.

[Spider]

Well I was trying to make fun of the way W*GS sounded a bit like one of those animal shows, but I didn't do a very good job.
LOL . hi con ....... you will find "The Shoot low sheriff they are mounted on Shetlands " is acurate for some here Specialy for someone like you .... ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well I was trying to make fun of the way W*GS sounded a bit like one of those animal shows, but I didn't do a very good job.

Now that I'm able to place your remarks in the context in which you intended them, I appreciate the humor (and accuracy.)

:)

[W*GS]

In short, LABF stuck his cyberfoot in his ever-running cybermouth and now he's lamely backing off.

LABF, you're as bad as Prince Charles when it comes to making an idiot of yourself.

[alkemical]

wouldn't hard core lefties wanting this lady to die

be teh same as hard core righties blowing up and killing abortion dr's?

[Spider]

wouldn't hard core lefties wanting this lady to die

be teh same as hard core righties blowing up and killing abortion dr's?
Not sure what you are saying here .... so sorry if I am on the track track ...
If you are saying there is no Difference in Abortion clinics and Dr's , I fail to see your point ...... Reason why I was for Pulling the Plug is Michale Shcaivo said that was terris wishes , 15 years and no improvment , Pretty much say it all ...
As for abortion Dr's yeah I dont agree with what they do , but they are far from being like Terri Shcaivo ......

[alkemical]

Spider:

The left wanted this woman dead for their own cause as much as the right wants to kill abortion dr's -

maybe i should have just wrote it that way.

[Spider]

Spider:

The left wanted this woman dead for their own cause as much as the right wants to kill abortion dr's -

maybe i should have just wrote it that way.
And Just what was our Cause ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In short, LABF stuck his cyberfoot in his ever-running cybermouth and now he's lamely backing off.

Not at all. I merely made a mistake and acknowledged it. (Something you would have done a hundred times by now if you were a person of integrity.)

LABF, you're as bad as Prince Charles when it comes to making an idiot of yourself.

You're as bad as any dittohead with a two-digit IQ when it comes to living in a world that doesn't match your perceptions or your claims.

[alkemical]

And Just what was our Cause ?


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