Doubting people's patriotism

[W*GS]

Lexington

The old slur
Feb 17th 2005
From The Economist print edition

Anti-Americanism, the American left and the American right

There is no thunderbolt that the American right likes hurling at its foes more than the accusation of “anti-Americanism”. Most of its targets are foreigners. But, from the right's point of view, there are plenty of unAmerican leftists at home too. Conservative congressmen labour over laws to prevent leftists from burning the American flag. Conservative talk-show hosts are for ever uncovering anti-Americanism at Harvard or on National Public Radio. And conservative activists are forever shouting at liberals: “Why don't you move to France?”

Many foreigners might assume that charges of unAmerican behaviour went out with Joe McCarthy. But the past few weeks have already produced two much-discussed examples. First, the right foamed at the mouth over Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, when it discovered, somewhat belatedly, that he had written an article on the day after September 11th that described the victims of the atrocity as “little Eichmanns”. (“True enough, they were civilians of a sort,” the Boulder professor had opined, “But innocent? Gimme a break.”) Then the right foamed again about the revelation that Eason Jordan, CNN's chief news executive, had supposedly told a group of bigwigs at Davos that the American army was deliberately targeting journalists to kill them; he denies he said this, but admits he left the wrong impression.

Mr Jordan, who even under the worst interpretation was probably just sucking up to a group of glamorous foreigners rather than expressing any deeply held philosophy, has now resigned. Mr Churchill, being an academic, still has a job. But how widespread is domestic anti-Americanism? Is it really a doctrine that pervades the American left, as many conservatives charge? Or is it an eccentric phenomenon blown out of proportion by a vicious conservative attack-machine?

The right has two powerful arguments on its side. The first is that leftists, from the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss to John Walker Lindh (the Marin County-bred “American Taliban”), have been caught doing treasonous things. Lynne Stewart, a well-known radical lawyer, has just been convicted of helping one of her clients, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, to contact his supporters—an action that could put her in prison for around 20 years.

More generally, prominent leftists have indulged in language which, at the very least, is extremely critical of their country. Back in 1969, Susan Sontag reflected that “it is self-evident that the Reader's Digest and Lawrence Welk and Hilton Hotels are organically connected with the Special Forces napalming villages in Guatemala”; after September 11th, she interpreted the outrage as “an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions.” Michael Moore has compared Iraqi terrorists to Minutemen and said modern Americans are the stupidest and greediest people on the face of the Earth.

Comrades Sontag and Moore would insist that they were opposed to American foreign policy, not America; but, to put it mildly, they were pushing it. They also represent a private tradition on the American left of rubbishing their countrymen as vulgar morons, especially when set alongside sophisticated Europeans. (If you doubt this, don a tweed jacket, assume a British accent, invite yourself to a dinner party in an American university town and wait until the Pinot Grigio takes hold.)

So anti-Americanism does exist on the left, but it is hardly its exclusive preserve. There are plenty of loud-mouth critics of American policy on the right. The American Conservative is as rude about American imperialism and the Iraq war as the Nation—but nobody really accuses Pat Buchanan of anti-Americanism. As for dismissing American culture, Mr Moore is less acerbic than one of the right's patron saints, H.L. Mencken. The Public Interest and the New Criterion worry about popular culture. Robert Bork thinks America is slouching towards Gomorrah. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell agreed that September 11th was a punishment for America's liberalism on abortion and homosexuality. Was that less anti-American than Ms Sontag?

By the left, quick march

Moreover, the odd thing about the American left—at least from an international perspective—is how caught up it is in passion for America. It is hard to think of any foreign left-of-centre party that would brandish the flag as often as the Democrats did in last year's election campaign, or that would have made so much of its candidate's warrior past. The American left seems no less convinced that America is a special country. They just have a different view of what makes America special.

Liberals think that America has been defined by its commitment to equality of opportunity (hence their worries about cutting inheritance tax); by its commitment to the separation of church and state (hence their worries about faith-based social policy); and by its enthusiasm for human rights (hence their worries about torture). When liberals created People for the American Way, they did not see it as a covert People for the French Way. The real battle-line in the culture wars is not between pro-Americans and anti-Americans; it is between two groups of patriots who have very different ideas about what makes America America (with the regional battle-lines, incidentally, bearing some similarity to those in the civil war).

This carries a warning for two very different sorts of people. The first is anti-American foreigners: they should not take clowns like Mr Moore or Mr Churchill as typical. Americans are a patriotic bunch—and, for the most part, this patriotism stretches from one end of the political spectrum to the other. The second is the American right. So far, conservatives have played the unAmerican card extremely well; but when it comes to unAmerican purges there is always a danger of overreach.

Copyright © 2005 The Economist Newspaper and The Economist Group. All rights reserved.

[Hogan11]

A lobbyist on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., came to a
dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow, this seems worse
than usual."

He noticed a police officer walking between the lines of stopped
cars, so he rolled down his window and asked, "Officer, what's the
hold-up?"

The officer replied, "Bush is depressed, so he stopped his
motorcade and is threatening to douse himself with gasoline and set himself on fire.

He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq,
or the connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda, or that his tax cuts will
help anyone except his wealthy friends. So we're taking up a collection
for him."

The lobbyist asks, "How much have you got so far?"
The officer replies, "About four gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning."

[orangenblue2]

That's a pretty good article. I don't see the vitriol about someone being un-American coming so much from the left. It seems to be mainly an epithet hurled from the right side. Whatever. Here's something else that has really been bugging me lately. IMO there is entirely too much flag waving (and wearing) going on. Frantically flapping your arms while holding aloft Old Glory doesn't make you patriotic. Neither does draping your body in red, white and blue. I submit that our founding fathers would turn over in their graves if they saw all of these people wearing the flag on their shirts, pants, hats, underwear, etc. One last thing; plastering your car with 29 yellow "support our troops" ribbons and 12 "god bless America" stickers doesn't make you any more of an American than anyone else. It makes you a moron...Peace

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

A lobbyist on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., came to a
dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow, this seems worse
than usual."

He noticed a police officer walking between the lines of stopped
cars, so he rolled down his window and asked, "Officer, what's the
hold-up?"

The officer replied, "Bush is depressed, so he stopped his
motorcade and is threatening to douse himself with gasoline and set himself on fire.

He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq,
or the connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda, or that his tax cuts will
help anyone except his wealthy friends. So we're taking up a collection
for him."

The lobbyist asks, "How much have you got so far?"
The officer replies, "About four gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning."

LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The right has two powerful arguments on its side. The first is that leftists, from the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss to John Walker Lindh (the Marin County-bred “American Taliban”), have been caught doing treasonous things.


rofl

This has to be about the most egregious case of projection and pot/kettle/blackism I've ever seen.

I'm sure Valerie Plame would get a kick out of this one. :laugh:

All in all, the article is marked by the same contrived, illegitimate sense of "fairness and balance" that makes Fox News a joke.

That is, if some regressive, anti-intellectual, conservative type claims the earth is flat, then the headline reads: "Opinions vary regarding Earth's geometry."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

One last thing; plastering your car with 29 yellow "support our troops" ribbons and 12 "god bless America" stickers doesn't make you any more of an American than anyone else. It makes you a moron...Peace

:thumbsup: Amen!

Especially when you believe voting for a moral retard who continues to slash the V.A. budget and who put our troops in harm's way for a pack of lies somehow constitutes "supporting the troops."

Dexter J. Kamilewicz: 'How dare some say, 'Support our troops'?'

By Dexter J. Kamilewicz, Portland Press Herald (http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoints/mvoice/050214iraq.shtml)

Someone recently informed me that they didn't know that my son was being deployed to Iraq and asked why I hadn't told them. I really didn't have an answer.

That is when I began to be annoyed by those ever-present, good-intentioned but mindless ribbons stuck on the back of cars and SUVs exhorting, "Support Our Troops."

I find those magnetic messages to be offensive when I think of parents and friends of National Guard soldiers who purchased expensive Kevlar armor for their soldiers while Donald Rumsfeld said they didn't have any in stock.

Those marketing messages seem so empty when soldiers are told to "up-armor" their Humvees because the Department of Defense had not asked the manufacturers if more could be done.



I am saddened when veterans wait over a year for appointments at veterans' hospitals and soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan and places like Walter Reed Hospital are required to pay for phone calls and emails home. I bet Rumsfeld doesn't have to pay for calls and e-mails back home, and I find it unbelievable and unacceptable that Rumsfeld has not been fired while the troops have been treated so poorly. Support our troops?

I accept that there are justifications for going to war. However, I cannot find anyone who can give me a solid reason to justify our going to and continuing the war in Iraq.

SEEKING REASONS

There seems to be no question in America more avoided, particularly by elected officials, than a discussion of the war in Iraq. I asked Maine's members of Congress those questions.

U.S. Rep. Tom Allen said the war was not justified, but to abandon Iraq and its people now would be a mistake. Sen. Susan Collins said that going to war in Iraq was a problem of faulty intelligence, but the chaos in Iraq required us to stay.

Sen. Olympia Snowe blamed Saddam Hussein as the revised apparent rationale for invading Iraq, and she focused on the need for global support for the U.S efforts in Iraq. U.S. Rep. Michael Michaud agreed with Snowe.

Those answers translate that we got there by mistake, and we are staying there by mistake. There is no plan, there is no discussion and there is no leadership. Didn't we go into Iraq to protect ourselves from weapons of mass destruction and because of Iraq's connections with the terrorists, reasons that have been found to be utterly in error? Support our troops?

The pointless death and maiming of this war is pure insanity and probably even criminal. In this war, many times those who died in the World Trade Center have been wounded or killed. Over 1,400 American soldiers are dead, over 10,000 soldiers are physically wounded while uncounted others are psychologically wounded, and, by some estimates, over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed and maimed.

How can the killing be justified? Are we going to destroy a nation and kill its people to save it? We tried that once before. Support our troops?

I am afraid for my son. I certainly worry about his being killed, but I am also worried about his being placed in the position of killing, too. Most of all, I am angry that we are sending our soldiers to a war that nobody can justify.

Most Americans, especially members of Congress, do not have to worry about a loved one in the middle of this war, and they duck the tough questions.

Why do we permit a defacto back-door draft of the National Guard and recycle them, too? We were lied to once before, and we must avoid being lied to again. Will President Bush be this generation's Robert McNamara? I hope not. Will the Congress have the courage to ask the relevant questions? I hope so. Support our troops?

PLEASE DON'T ASK

Now you know why I didn't go out of my way to tell people that my son is being deployed to Iraq, and please don't ask about him if you really don't want to know.

Instead, please know that you will be in my shoes or his shoes unless you ask questions and demand answers of those in power. In the meantime, please excuse me if I have a painful lump in my throat or tears brimming in my eyes and that I am so angry with this damned war and the people who declared it.

Support our troops. Ask tough questions. Bring them home now.

Copyright © Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoints/
mvoice/050214iraq.shtml

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

One last thing; plastering your car with 29 yellow "support our troops" ribbons and 12 "god bless America" stickers doesn't make you any more of an American than anyone else. It makes you a moron...Peace

It's not surprising that many of these magents are accompanied by Bush-Cheney bumper stickers. The real message here is "Support the war and don't dis the prez." "Support our Troops" is just a code for "Support the Government." Or maybe "Support the Bush/Cheney Cabal" or "Support the PNAC Agenda" or "Support the NeoCon Wet Dream" or "Support the Iraqi Slaughter." These are people who have bought into the propoganda that tells us that questioning and/or criticizing the greedy, bloodthirsty idiot who put our troops in harm's way with no intention of bringing them home is somehow bad for their morale.

And just how precisely are the overwhelming majority of these Smirk-voting "Support our Troops" half-wits actually supporting U.S. troops besides displaying flaccid tawdry decals on their porcine SUVs?

Have they donated body armor to soldiers in Iraq? Have they been behind the closed doors of dimly lighted V.A. hospitals to visit casualties of the noble cause they so ostentatiously champion like chest-beating gorillas in public? Have they put the names of their own children on the call rosters of army recruiters and done their utmost to convince them to postpone college for the time being and enlist in the armed services until the world is safe from terrorism?

It doesn't take the world's most discriminating olfactory lobes to sniff out the cynical stench of politics beneath most of these limp wristed examples of "patriotism". For how I interpret them they might as well read "Support President Bush's Agenda of World Conquest and Don't Ask Awkward Questions".

I do not support our troops getting maimed or crippled on a daily basis. I do not support our troops losing their lives or minds for a war that was sold to us by a pack of compulsive liars. I do not support the wholesale slaughter of innocent Iraqis who never had any chance to escape the war raging in their own backyards.

But what I do support is brining every last one of our troops home alive and well.

[Rascal]

So because I voted for Bush means I'm less of an American?

You are such a freaking moron it's unbelievable. But what can one expect from the resident monkey LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So because I voted for Bush means I'm less of an American?

Quotes please.

You are such a freaking moron it's unbelievable.

Says the drooling dullard who thought the first president since Hoover to preside over a net job loss deserved another term.

That's rich. :laugh:

But what can one expect from the resident monkey LOL

Judging from the "monkey" remark, we obviously can't expect a clueless half-wit like you to come up with your own material.

[W*GS]

All in all, the article is marked by the same contrived, illegitimate sense of "fairness and balance" that makes Fox News a joke.

LABF, you have got to have the worst reading comprehension I've seen.

Why I even bother...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF, you have got to have the worst reading comprehension I've seen.

I guess this is a shortcut to an actual rebuttal.

Your problem is that you suffer from 'Fox News-itis.'

The article you posted is merely further evidence that you've somehow bought into the whole sham that giving equal consideration to two opposing points of view - no matter how absurd or patently false one side may be - somehow makes you "fair and balanced."

[alkemical]

Wags,

this was a decent article to describe IMO how the two parties differ. the right has anti-american, and the left has facist pig.

I think that in terms of using words to condition and programme people, that's where the right wing dominated talk radio market has surpassed the lefts influence. Since the news media isn't concerned anymore with actually reporting news - there is apt to be less bias now than ever before, and it's now directed towards market share in order to drive profits.

For instance, with foxnews, they claim to be a right-wing news corporation - and push a 'moral' agenda on their talking heads shows, however; this is the same fox corporation that pushes crap on it's other channels that would seem to not indicate much morals for the network, thus fox news is just capitalizing on market share.

The extreme right and extreme left are ****ing this country up big time.

[alkemical]

That's a pretty good article. I don't see the vitriol about someone being un-American coming so much from the left. It seems to be mainly an epithet hurled from the right side. Whatever. Here's something else that has really been bugging me lately. IMO there is entirely too much flag waving (and wearing) going on. Frantically flapping your arms while holding aloft Old Glory doesn't make you patriotic. Neither does draping your body in red, white and blue. I submit that our founding fathers would turn over in their graves if they saw all of these people wearing the flag on their shirts, pants, hats, underwear, etc. One last thing; plastering your car with 29 yellow "support our troops" ribbons and 12 "god bless America" stickers doesn't make you any more of an American than anyone else. It makes you a moron...Peace



One other thing to respond to this post -

Our founding fathers would look at the taxation and removal of civil rights as UNPATRIOTIC - and it appears that Huxley may have been more right than Orwell - that what we love/ideals will kill us more than what we hate. Actually the present state of the world is a nice myriad of both ideals. We have gov'ts world wide using terror as a reason to stamp people like cattle, then we have the wanton belief that we need to psych test every kid (There is a pending HR bill on this) - so we mix the terror from others, and the method of tagging people -

[Rascal]

Wags,

this was a decent article to describe IMO how the two parties differ. the right has anti-american, and the left has facist pig.

I think that in terms of using words to condition and programme people, that's where the right wing dominated talk radio market has surpassed the lefts influence. Since the news media isn't concerned anymore with actually reporting news - there is apt to be less bias now than ever before, and it's now directed towards market share in order to drive profits.

For instance, with foxnews, they claim to be a right-wing news corporation - and push a 'moral' agenda on their talking heads shows, however; this is the same fox corporation that pushes crap on it's other channels that would seem to not indicate much morals for the network, thus fox news is just capitalizing on market share.

The extreme right and extreme left are ****ing this country up big time.


So the right has talk radio cry a bit more. Liberals have degrated CBS, ABC, NBC to the point it is nothing but liberal politics rehashed. So Fox isn't perfect...like your liberal news stations are any closer (hell CBS proved they aren't even close)...quit crying about it and move on.

[alkemical]

So the right has talk radio cry a bit more. Liberals have degrated CBS, ABC, NBC to the point it is nothing but liberal politics rehashed. So Fox isn't perfect...like your liberal news stations are any closer (hell CBS proved they aren't even close)...quit crying about it and move on.


how am i crying over it?

I think you have me mixed up with someone else.

[Spider]

If the White house Paid over 5 grand for that piece ........ They got mugged .......

[Spider]

So the right has talk radio cry a bit more. Liberals have degrated CBS, ABC, NBC to the point it is nothing but liberal politics rehashed. So Fox isn't perfect...like your liberal news stations are any closer (hell CBS proved they aren't even close)...quit crying about it and move on.
LOL . So you dont think there is anything odd about Fox's News Preaching Values , yet Fox Broadcasting Has some of the more racy shows on TV ......

[W*GS]

The article you posted is merely further evidence that you've somehow bought into the whole sham that giving equal consideration to two opposing points of view - no matter how absurd or patently false one side may be - somehow makes you "fair and balanced."

Did you even read the entire article?

What part was "absurd or patently false"?

That Moore and Churchill are clowns?

[enjolras]

. So you dont think there is anything odd about Fox's News Preaching Values , yet Fox Broadcasting Has some of the more racy shows on TV ......

This is something that has really started to bother me. In the first part of the sentence 'So you don't think there is anything odd about Fox's News Preaching Value' you seem to imply that Fox is preaching 'morality'. In the second part of the sentence, 'yet Fox Broadcasting Has some of the more racy shows on TV .' You seem to indicate that what Fox actually airs is against morality.

This bothers me. Just because the right has ordained themselves as the 'values' party, doesn't mean that the values the epouse are any more (or less) moral than anyone elses. We seem to accept, almost casually, that religion centric value systems are moral and that anything else is not. I would argue that your position is wrong, not because there isn't an inherent contradiction between Fox News and Fox programming, but because there is nothing inherently immoral about what Fox programming actually airs.

We started using the term 'Values' to apply to a specific SET of values. Something that the religious right has been conditioning into Americans for quite some time now. 'Values' can be a great many things, and mean a number of things to a number of different people.

I realize this is far off topic.. it's just something that bothers me:)

[alkemical]

This is something that has really started to bother me. In the first part of the sentence 'So you don't think there is anything odd about Fox's News Preaching Value' you seem to imply that Fox is preaching 'morality'. In the second part of the sentence, 'yet Fox Broadcasting Has some of the more racy shows on TV .' You seem to indicate that what Fox actually airs is against morality.

This bothers me. Just because the right has ordained themselves as the 'values' party, doesn't mean that the values the epouse are any more (or less) moral than anyone elses. We seem to accept, almost casually, that religion centric value systems are moral and that anything else is not. I would argue that your position is wrong, not because there isn't an inherent contradiction between Fox News and Fox programming, but because there is nothing inherently immoral about what Fox programming actually airs.

We started using the term 'Values' to apply to a specific SET of values. Something that the religious right has been conditioning into Americans for quite some time now. 'Values' can be a great many things, and mean a number of things to a number of different people.

I realize this is far off topic.. it's just something that bothers me:)


I understand your argument on this issue. The right will say that 'the left have no morals', and pushes the notion that only the 'right & conservatives of our population show "good" morals'. However, the professed definition of morals (that foxnews and clearchannel AM stations push) is that morals are tied to a religious belief. With this 'rule' that the right-wing plays with, then since 'most' americans are christian and use the false statements that this country was founded on christian values (which is untrue, since most founding fathers were diests and understood the crutch that religion is, can also be wielded like a hammer) makes the argument moot.

I may have lost my point here, but i just had some work come in....

[Spider]

This is something that has really started to bother me. In the first part of the sentence 'So you don't think there is anything odd about Fox's News Preaching Value' you seem to imply that Fox is preaching 'morality'. In the second part of the sentence, 'yet Fox Broadcasting Has some of the more racy shows on TV .' You seem to indicate that what Fox actually airs is against morality.

This bothers me. Just because the right has ordained themselves as the 'values' party, doesn't mean that the values the epouse are any more (or less) moral than anyone elses. We seem to accept, almost casually, that religion centric value systems are moral and that anything else is not. I would argue that your position is wrong, not because there isn't an inherent contradiction between Fox News and Fox programming, but because there is nothing inherently immoral about what Fox programming actually airs.

We started using the term 'Values' to apply to a specific SET of values. Something that the religious right has been conditioning into Americans for quite some time now. 'Values' can be a great many things, and mean a number of things to a number of different people.

I realize this is far off topic.. it's just something that bothers me:)

My entire Point is , this is what Fox set up ....... While I agree whats Moral what isnt is best left up to the individual , Not Fox news , and dont set the Moral tone , with one station , while running crap out of another ......
Rascals post nailed ABC , CBS , NBC, I dont see any of those News Channels Preaching , then Running Crap programing .......

[Spider]

Basicaly , I see fox saying , Do as we say , Dont do as we do .type of things .....
Just like the right Hammering Hollywood , yet Republicans Pay money to go see Movies .... go figure

[RaiderH8r]

Basicaly , I see fox saying , Do as we say , Dont do as we do .type of things .....
Just like the right Hammering Hollywood , yet Republicans Pay money to go see Movies .... go figure
Who pays to see the crap that Hollywood puts out? I steal it from the interweb :)

But seriously, movies pretty much suck.

[Spider]

Who pays to see the crap that Hollywood puts out? I steal it from the interweb :)

But seriously, movies pretty much suck.
;D I agree , Last movie I paid to see was Return of the King LOTR series ....
I am not going to go see Million Dollar baby , Ray , anything else ..... I will probably go take my Kids to see the Starwars Flick when it comes out though .....

[RaiderH8r]

;D I agree , Last movie I paid to see was Return of the King LOTR series ....
I am not going to go see Million Dollar baby , Ray , anything else ..... I will probably go take my Kids to see the Starwars Flick when it comes out though .....
Agreed, on all counts, except that I don't have kids, but I'll go see star wars. this one better be cool. I mean Darth F#cking Vader kids. :woowoo:

I thought about going to a movie last weekend but decided instead to have a hobo kick me in the balls and take $5.....I saved $5 and two hours of my life so I think it's a good deal

[Spider]

Agreed, on all counts, except that I don't have kids, but I'll go see star wars. this one better be cool. I mean Darth F#cking Vader kids. :woowoo:

I thought about going to a movie last weekend but decided instead to have a hobo kick me in the balls and take $5.....I saved $5 and two hours of my life so I think it's a good deal
;D I just as soon go camping , then go to the movies ...... it is warming up here ...

[RaiderH8r]

;D I just as soon go camping , then go to the movies ...... it is warming up here ...
So you would go camping and then go to the movies :) just being a grammatical tyrant sh!thead. Well, I'd just as well get kicked in the balls and cough up a $5 spot than see some of the tripe out there......getting kicked in the balls is less painful

[Spider]

So you would go camping and then go to the movies :) just being a grammatical tyrant sh!thead. Well, I'd just as well get kicked in the balls and cough up a $5 spot than see some of the tripe out there......getting kicked in the balls is less painful
LOL ..... getting Kicked in the Balls , Kinky but thats your bag I wont Judge ;D

[RaiderH8r]

LOL ..... getting Kicked in the Balls , Kinky but thats your bag I wont Judge ;D
Funny, it was my bag.....that was kicked. No, I can't say I enjoyed it, but when compared to a movie nowaday, that's like asking if you want your sh@tburger with or without tomatoes.

[Spider]

Funny, it was my bag.....that was kicked. No, I can't say I enjoyed it, but when compared to a movie nowaday, that's like asking if you want your sh@tburger with or without tomatoes.
agreed ..... Problem I think is too many Special Effects to carry a movie , so the Actors are not in Role like they should be ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Liberals have degrated(sic) CBS, ABC, NBC to the point it is nothing but liberal politics rehashed.

rofl

Riiiiiight.

Every person of rascal's intellectual stature knows GM (which owns NBC) and those corporations which own the other networks (and which ultimately dictate those networks' editorial policies) are bastions of liberalism.

Meanwhile, here in reality, those same networks have, collectively, become the official propaganda mouthpiece for Smirk and the GOP.

If you can't see this, then you must be huffing gas.

These networks pedal Bush's Iraq war lies and bogus Niger uranium documents with impunity while Dan Rather, et al, lose their gigs for far lesser f*ck-ups.