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Bronco_Beerslug
02-24-2005, 05:35 PM
Hopefully, enough people are starting to recognize this farce for what it is.


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'Clear Skies' plan: the battle heats up
By Brad Knickerbocker | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
The congressional fight over the Bush administration's clean air plan has turned into a political knock-down, drag out at several levels.

Ten state attorneys general are publicly opposing it. Environmental activists and labor unions are at odds over the measure, illustrating the classic split over jobs versus the environment. State and local air-pollution control officials and agencies have weighed in, prompting the chairman of the Senate environment committee to question their motives and investigate their possible connection to activists.

Two prominent Republican governors - George Pataki of New York and Arnold Schwarzenegger of California - have urged Washington to make sure that states be allowed "to have stronger pollution controls than those set for the nation as a whole," as is the case under current law. Their recent letter to congressional leaders was polite, but it made an important point: That heavily populated areas like New York City and Los Angeles may need stronger laws than those favored by the Bush administration and polluting industries.

Meanwhile, speakers at the annual meeting of the American Association for Advancement of Science this week complained that the administration "has distanced itself from scientific information" on such issues as environmental protection.

President Bush and his supporters in Congress say the "Clear Skies" legislation will reduce emissions of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, and mercury 70 percent below current levels by 2018, with "major reductions" in the next five years. What's more, they say, a new approach is needed, since attempts to regulate such emissions under the 1970 Clean Air Act typically have been tied up in legal battles.

The model here is the "cap and trade" method of reducing pollution, successfully, used for acid rain that's been relatively litigation-free. "The Clear Skies legislation will clean up the air by reducing utility emissions faster, more cheaply, and more efficiently than the Clean Air Act," says James Inhofe (R) of Oklahoma, who chairs the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. "Anyone who doubts this either does not understand the legislation or has not paid attention to the endless litigation over the last 15 years."

Republican-turned-Independent Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont, one of the authors of major Clean Air Act amendments 15 years ago, takes a decidedly different view.

The president's proposal "is rife with loopholes for polluters and litigation," says Mr. Jeffords, the senior minority member of the Senate committee. It "rewrites major portions of the Clean Air Act to delay attainment of the health-based standards - leaving millions of Americans to breathe dirty air longer."

Meanwhile, a long list of outside interests has been weighing in as well.

The International Brotherhood of Boilermakers (whose members install and maintain much of the pollution-control equipment in the US) favors Bush's Clear Skies Act. "It requires $52 billion in investment to meet air-quality standards, a significant portion of which will be paid in wages to boilermakers and other union craftsman," says union lobbyist Abraham Breehey.

State and local pollution-control officials point out that great gains have been made under current law since its initial passage 35 years ago: Emissions have been cut by 50 percent at the same time the nation's gross domestic product was increasing 176 percent and population grew by 39 percent. That means the cost of doing business in this country, as measured by pollution, has dropped considerably.

At the same time, these officials point out, power plants remain a major problem - more so under "Clear Skies" than under existing law. "We have tremendous concerns with the fact that this proposal strips away many of our most essential Clean Air Act tools and authorities," said John Paul, supervisor of a six-county regional air pollution control agency centered in Dayton, Ohio.

"Given the serious deficiencies of this legislative proposal, we believe that continued implementation of the Clean Air Act will provide far greater, and more certain and timelier, protection of public health

and the environment," Mr. Paul told a recent Senate hearing, speaking on behalf of agencies overseeing pollution-control efforts at the state, territorial, and municipal level.

Shortly after Paul's testimony, Senator Inhofe directed the organizations to submit financial and tax records. Organization officials and Senate Democrats say this is a blatant attempt to intimidate witnesses critical of the administration measure.

Earlier this month, the attorneys general of 10 states (New York, California, Connecticut, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, and Vermont) wrote to Senator Jeffords that passage of the Clear Skies measure "would mark the first time in the history of the Clean Air Act that Congress had weakened the statute, thereby consigning the country to dirtier air and increased levels of acid rain and disease."

Among other things, they complained that the proposal exempts many older power plants from installing modern pollution controls as part of any substantial upgrade. The measure also fails to deal with carbon dioxide, the principal greenhouse gas thought to cause global warming.

While such complaints may be legitimate and worthy of debate, it did not go without notice that all 10 attorneys general signing the letter are Democrats.

At the moment, the Senate committee is deadlocked on the Clear Skies bill. Another vote has been scheduled for early next week.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0225/p02s02-uspo.html

Spider
02-24-2005, 05:45 PM
Hey Beerslug , havent you got it yet ?
Bush is doing a great Job , those 10 A.G's are just Bush Haters ;D

Spider
02-24-2005, 05:48 PM
Those 10 A.G's are just bitter about the election is all ........ They dont understand that God will take care of the air as soon as we kick out all the homosexuals ...... Dont be hatin on Bush , hate the Homosexuals that cause all of this

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-25-2005, 12:25 AM
Hey Beerslug , havent you got it yet ?
Bush is doing a great Job , those 10 A.G's are just Bush Haters ;D

Those 10 A.G's are just bitter about the election is all ........ They dont understand that God will take care of the air as soon as we kick out all the homosexuals ...... Dont be hatin on Bush , hate the Homosexuals that cause all of this

:giggle: :laugh: rofl Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-25-2005, 12:49 AM
10 State Attorneys General Accuse Bush Of Diluting Air-Pollution Standards

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-25-2005, 01:26 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-25-2005, 11:48 PM
"Who does vote for these dishonest sh*theads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill "gooks." They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are racists and hate mongers among us-they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. F*ck them."

- Hunter S. Thompson

W*GS
02-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Hunter S. Thompson

Yep, blowing his own brains out really shows 'em, don't it?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-28-2005, 01:54 AM
Yep, blowing his own brains out really shows 'em, don't it?

W*GS seems to believe this unfortunate fact has some bearing on the veracity or accuracy of Thompson's earlier observations.

Chalk up another 'F' in logic for W*GS.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-28-2005, 01:56 AM
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RaiderH8r
02-28-2005, 05:39 AM
"Who does vote for these dishonest sh*theads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill "gooks." They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are racists and hate mongers among us-they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. F*ck them."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Says the coward who punched his own ticket because the "Good Dr." was too piss poor cowardly to stick around and fight.

enjolras
02-28-2005, 08:16 AM
Says the coward who punched his own ticket because the "Good Dr." was too piss poor cowardly to stick around and fight.

That's just ****ed up. This guy is suffering from a number of serious medical problems and your accusing of him of being a coward?

*shakes his head*

I guess everyones a hero on the Internet..

RaiderH8r
02-28-2005, 08:19 AM
That's just ****ed up. This guy is suffering from a number of serious medical problems and your accusing of him of being a coward?

*shakes his head*

I guess everyones a hero on the Internet..
Yes coward. There are millions who live day to day in worse circumstances than he could conceive that don't bite the bullet. He chose instead to, quite literally and figuratively, leave his family to clean up the mess left in his wake. For shame.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-28-2005, 08:11 PM
There are millions who live day to day in worse circumstances than he could conceive that don't bite the bullet.

Typical conservative "logic" - minimize/undermine a man's suffering by pointing to someone else who, in your estimation, is worse off.

Bottom line: You have no idea what it was like to be inside Thompson's skin.

Neither do I.

RaiderH8r
03-01-2005, 08:23 AM
Typical conservative "logic" - minimize/undermine a man's suffering by pointing to someone else who, in your estimation, is worse off.

Bottom line: You have no idea what it was like to be inside Thompson's skin.

Neither do I.
I don't object to the fact he bit the bullet. I object to the idea that he should be lauded for it.

W*GS
03-01-2005, 11:23 AM
Paul Campos of the RMN has a good column on Thompson here:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_3583516,00.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-01-2005, 05:53 PM
I don't object to the fact he bit the bullet. I object to the idea that he should be lauded for it.

Who said he should be lauded for it?

enjolras
03-02-2005, 10:34 AM
I don't object to the fact he bit the bullet. I object to the idea that he should be lauded for it.

I never argued he should be. However, the circumstances of his death are understandable. I have a mom who battled cancer (and lost) for a long time. If she would have ended it.. at any time.. during that ordeal I would have honestly understood. It wouldn't have made her less of a person in my eyes.

Given that.. the fact that he killed himself has no bearing (good or bad) on his work. To denounce him as a coward (Convienently allowing you to disregard his work) is just plain wrong.

RaiderH8r
03-02-2005, 10:39 AM
I never argued he should be. However, the circumstances of his death are understandable. I have a mom who battled cancer (and lost) for a long time. If she would have ended it.. at any time.. during that ordeal I would have honestly understood. It wouldn't have made her less of a person in my eyes.

Given that.. the fact that he killed himself has no bearing (good or bad) on his work. To denounce him as a coward (Convienently allowing you to disregard his work) is just plain wrong.
I disregarded his work long before he bit the bullet, this incident only confirms my earlier suspicions.

alkemical
03-02-2005, 11:01 AM
Says the coward who punched his own ticket because the "Good Dr." was too piss poor cowardly to stick around and fight.


i know of people that commit suicide, and in a moment of sanity because they know the are a danger because they can't control themselves all the time due to mental illness. I feel sad for them, but cowards they are not.

RaiderH8r
03-02-2005, 11:09 AM
i know of people that commit suicide, and in a moment of sanity because they know the are a danger because they can't control themselves all the time due to mental illness. I feel sad for them, but cowards they are not.
Are you suggesting Dr. Gonzo was indeed gonzo? That, in a moment of clarity, he found that he was a danger to those around him and chose instead to off himself for their safety?

alkemical
03-02-2005, 11:15 AM
Are you suggesting Dr. Gonzo was indeed gonzo? That, in a moment of clarity, he found that he was a danger to those around him and chose instead to off himself for their safety?


No, but i guess i took your statement to include people who commit suicide are cowards. I don't feel that's the issue in EVERY case - now the cop in my town who shot himself because he was busted with child porn. I could call him a coward.

The Director is here to tell you that the Hunter S was assisinated stories are starting up.

RaiderH8r
03-02-2005, 11:16 AM
No, but i guess i took your statement to include people who commit suicide are cowards. I don't feel that's the issue in EVERY case - now the cop in my town who shot himself because he was busted with child porn. I could call him a coward.

The Director is here to tell you that the Hunter S was assisinated stories are starting up.
Yeah, I knew these stories were on their way. If he was killed I'll be the first to petition for the pardon of the guilty party/parties.

alkemical
03-02-2005, 11:24 AM
Yeah, I knew these stories were on their way. If he was killed I'll be the first to petition for the pardon of the guilty party/parties.


that's pretty classless.... like a man yes or no - death upon someone is not something to be toyed with lightly.

RaiderH8r
03-02-2005, 11:50 AM
that's pretty classless.... like a man yes or no - death upon someone is not something to be toyed with lightly.
I can say that without pity because I honestly do not believe he was murdered, so it becomes a macabre joke.

Like I said, it is total BS of him to literally leave his family to pick up the pieces in the aftermath of his little escapade. Right in the kitchen there, how do you break bread after that?

alkemical
03-02-2005, 12:10 PM
I can say that without pity because I honestly do not believe he was murdered, so it becomes a macabre joke.

Like I said, it is total BS of him to literally leave his family to pick up the pieces in the aftermath of his little escapade. Right in the kitchen there, how do you break bread after that?


from what i've read it wasn't in the kitchen -

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-24-2005, 01:28 AM
Bush's Phony "Culture of Life"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55268-2005Mar21.html

Although President Bush claims to care deeply about a "culture of life," his administration is ignoring evidence that proves its mercury policy could endanger an entire generation of unborn children.

The Environmental Protection Agency paid for and peer-reviewed a Harvard study proving that the benefits of implementing strict controls on mercury released into the environment far outweighed the costs of those controls. Mercury, which is released into the air, deposited in water, absorbed by fish, and then consumed by humans, can cause severe brain damage, especially to the fetuses of pregnant females.

The Harvard study estimated that strict controls on mercury could save up to $5 billion a year in health care costs. But the administration ignored that study and claimed that those controls would result in just one one-hundredth of the savings. But those numbers reflected only the effects of eating freshwater fish, when most of the fish consumed in the U.S. comes from the ocean.

The Bush administration claims that the costs to polluters of strict mercury controls are too high. The evidence says the exact opposite. When it comes down to a choice between big business polluters and unborn children, the administration doesn't just pick big business; it covers up the truth that children are at risk.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
03-28-2005, 10:57 PM
Bush distorts science to shield Halliburton from pollution laws

http://halliburtonwatch.org/news/epa_whistleblower2.html

According to Wilson, a 30-year employee with the EPA, the Bush administration purposely tampered with
environmental science in order to shield a lucrative drilling technique, known as hydraulic fracturing, from all
regulations. Wilson says the technique, pioneered by Halliburton, is harmful to drinking water supplies. Halliburton
has spent years trying to get the federal government to exempt the technique from environmental regulations.

Wilson and environmental groups say hydraulic fracturing can contaminate drinking water supplies with carcinogens
and is therefore required by law to be regulated by the EPA. In addition, activists have documented incidents where
hydraulic fracturing has contaminated drinking water supplies with hazardous chemicals.

The extra oil and gas produced each year from hydraulic fracturing boosts Halliburton's revenues by $1.5 billion...

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-11-2005, 05:39 PM
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